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people like Obama, not Romney - exit poll

National Journal:

Hours later, as the election returns crested toward what one despondent political operative would later call a “tsunami,” the crowd and the mood were sinking. The lights were coming up. The smoke was gone. People clustered in small groups, nursing tumblers of scotch and gin and staring at the television screen as Fox News called one swing state after another for President Obama. The blind 69-year-old country music legend Ronnie Milsap launched into “In the Still of the Night,” replacing the chorus with “I’m lost in the 50s tonight. Somebody help me. I’m lost in the 50s tonight.”

By the end of the evening, as the vote tallies showed that minorities, women, and young people had overwhelmingly rejected Republican nominee Mitt Romney, it was clear that the Grand Old Party needed to wake up from its nostalgia trip.

President Barack Obama won re-election despite an electorate that sees a nation on the wrong track, with a weak and troubling economy, according to NBC projections and exit polls. Exit poll interviews with voters point to three big reasons for Obama’s victory:

• First, despite a slim majority of voters thinking the country is on the wrong track, 54 percent approve of the way Obama is doing his job, and the electorate was almost exactly split on whether Obama or Romney would be better at handling the economy.

• Among the four voters in 10 who said they think economic conditions in the country are getting better, a huge majority, nearly nine out of ten, said they voted for Obama.

• Finally, a slight majority of voters voiced an unfavorable view of Romney personally, while a slight majority had a favorable view of Obama. On the attribute of whether the president or his GOP rival was “a candidate who cares about people like me” Obama had a massive lead over Romney.

David Brooks:
The Pew Research Center does excellent research on Asian-American and Hispanic values. Two findings jump out. First, people in these groups have an awesome commitment to work. By most measures, members of these groups value industriousness more than whites.

Second, they are also tremendously appreciative of government. In survey after survey, they embrace the idea that some government programs can incite hard work, not undermine it; enhance opportunity, not crush it.

Moreover, when they look at the things that undermine the work ethic and threaten their chances to succeed, it’s often not government. It’s a modern economy in which you can work more productively, but your wages still don’t rise. It’s a bloated financial sector that just sent the world into turmoil. It’s a university system that is indispensable but unaffordable. It’s chaotic neighborhoods that can’t be cured by withdrawing government programs.

For these people, the Republican equation is irrelevant. When they hear Romney talk abstractly about Big Government vs. Small Government, they think: He doesn’t get me or people like me.

Actually, that's true for everyone. White people voted for Romney, but not because they liked him.

David C. Wilson:

I think Nate Silver deserves a lot of credit for being one of the few "poll readers" willing to forecast a numeric probability of Obama's win before Election Day even started, and getting darn close. However, I'll withhold credit from many popular analysts who are ignoring the significant role race and ethnicity played in Obama's win. Throughout this election, race has been the elephant in the room, and the inability to discuss its effects will likely endure if we continue to mollify it's chronic role in American politics.

SPOILER: This is not an article about women, it's about data.

Disclosure: I was a panelist with David here and really like his work.

John K. Wilson interviews Ian Reifowitz about his book Obama's America: A Transformative Vision of Our National Identity (reviewed here):

The language of unity, and specifically the language of cross-ethnic, American national unity that Obama has used so often strikes me as clearly progressive because it is a direct contrast both to laissez-faire hyper-individualism as well as to racial bigotry and other forms of prejudice. If Obama can get a middle-aged, middle-class white American to feel a stronger connection with someone different from himself on the basis of their shared American-ness, then that first person is more likely to be supportive of progressive ideals broadly defined, whether it’s on the economy or immigration or even gay rights.

Ultimately, left and right are relative terms. They are meaningless without a comparison that defines “left of what?” and “right of what?” Obama is to the left of conservative Republicans on virtually every domestic issue. On foreign policy, as he said in 2002 when he came out against the Iraq war, he’s no pacifist, he’s not against all wars, just “dumb” ones.

The president captured 48% of the Cuban-American vote in Florida—a record high for a Democrat, according to an exit poll by Bendixen & Amandi International, Mr. Obama's Hispanic polling firm. Republican Mitt Romney received 52%.

The figure for Mr. Obama is backed up by a national exit poll for media organizations that showed him winning 49% of the Cuban-American vote in the state. By comparison, he captured 35% of that vote four years ago. In 2004, Democrat John Kerry received 29% of the state's Cuban-American vote, and in 2000, Democrat Al Gore won 25% of it.

Greg Sargent:
“Overwhelmingly, Americans viewed the economic crisis and recession as an extraordinary circumstance — not as an ordinary recession,” Benenson continued, adding that “the more Romney and Republicans tried to talk about this as an ordinary recession,” rather than a “massive crisis,” the more they seemed “out of touch and tone deaf.”

If that’s right, the irony is striking. Romney cast Obama as a failure, based on the notion that the recovery was not proceeding as fast as other recoveries have. But this may not have resonated with voters because they understood that Obama had inherited an extraordinary situation — exactly the idea Romney tried so hard to get voters to forget.

Reminds me of when the Knicks beat a better team in a single playoff game. You think you can play with them when the other guys have an off night. And then they step up their game and you realize you were wrong.

Peggy Noonan:

We are a center-right country, but the Republican Party over the next few years will have to ponder again what center-right means. It has been noted elsewhere that the Romney campaign's economic policies more or less reflected the concerns of its donor base. Are those the immediate concerns of the middle and working classes? Apparently the middle class didn't think so. The working class? In a day-after piece, Washington Post reporters Scott Wilson and Philip Rucker wrote: "As part of his role, [Paul] Ryan had wanted to talk about poverty, traveling to inner cities and giving speeches that laid out the Republican vision for individual empowerment. But Romney advisers refused his request to do so, until mid-October, when he gave a speech on civil society in Cleveland. As one adviser put it, 'The issues that we really test well on and win on are not the war on poverty.'"

That is the authentic sound of the Republican political operative class at work: in charge, supremely confident, essentially clueless.

It matters when you show people you care. It matters when you're there. It matters when you ask.

The outcome was not only a re-election but on some level and to some degree a rejection.

Indeed it was.

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  •  Wrong way numbers - May be people (16+ / 0-)

    are blaming Congress instead of PBO.

    "Drudge: soundslike sludge, islike sewage."
    (-7.25, -6.72)

    by gougef on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 03:52:03 AM PST

  •  Noonan still believes the U.S. is a center-right.. (54+ / 0-)

    It isn't. It is a center-left country with a center-right mainstream media, one right-wing TV network and a right-wing punditocracy.

    Peggy really should get out of her bubble a little more and see the world as it is.

      •  We're center-left + anti-abortion. (2+ / 0-)
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        The anti-abortion faction accounts for a single-issue pool at 15% of the total national election vote.

        In the Red States this is closer to 30% and 40% of the vote. These voters do not think much beyond "Where's the R ?"  when it comes to elections.

        The one and only way that we know of to pull these voters off the Republican candidates is to out-paranoid the GOPer ad pitch. That worked ugly/beautiful in North Dakota, to a lesser extent in Montana (where there was no Libertarian Senate candidate), and Arizona.

        Out-paranoiding the SOBs works with males better than with females.

        The North Dakota effort produced roughly 10,000 votes for the Libbie Senate candidate, as compared to 5,000 votes for the Libbie gubernatorial candidate.

        Heidi might have picked up another 1,000 votes as well.

        Heidi's margin of victory was 3,000 votes.

        Chalk that up as an extra Senate seat -- # 55 -- for throwing in another $750,000 in the last month counting radio ads !!

        If you've going to beat the GOPers in Red States, you have to find their weak points and hit as hard as you can.

        Btw: we're guessing that the Senate election in Arizona is another stolen vote thingie. 600,000 uncounted, but everything possible done to keep democrats voting provisional from coming in and doing ID-validation to get their votes counted.

        Carmona is 1/3 to 1/2 likely to have won that election at the ballot box. Even swimming against the Romney/Flake/Mormon tide. (Flake's an extreme tea Party guy and a Mormon.)

    •  I think we're a mixture (12+ / 0-)

      of a lot of political beliefs. We're center right on some issues, center left on others.
      What we need to do is restore the reputation of the government, because all the right has been doing since Reagan is tearing it down, and when people think more government means more problems, rather than more solutions, they're not going to vote for Democrats.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:10:19 AM PST

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      •  On what issues is the U.S. center-right? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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        •  i'd say gun ownership/laws and probably also (10+ / 0-)


          I know I'm probably to the right of most liberals on guns - even if slightly, despite the fact that I consider myself a democratic socialist.

          I think the nation also leans right on military issues and defense spending. No we don't like wars but we also have a bit of trepidation about lowering military spending by too much, right or wrong.

          I also think issues like torture and the patriot act and such are not that big a deal in most of america and really only have strong resonance with the left. I know I personally, although I'm opposed  to torture, don't place it anywhere near  the top 10 of the issues I can about. And as for the patriot act, again, I have mixed feelings about it and its constitutionality but I also acknowledge that we live in a different age where information gathering is central to preventing or minimizing the likelihood of disastrous events happening. And I think I'm to the left of most americans on those issues, even if I'm to the right of most other liberals.

          I do think the country is center right on some issues.

          For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

          by mdmslle on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:00:42 AM PST

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          •  You raise good points. (3+ / 0-)
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            I think one of the areas where we're decidedly center-left is on economics and the role of people within the economy (equal pay for equal work, etc).

            While there are areas where majorities hold a more conservative opinion, it's that economic worldview that puts us (as a diverse & changing population) in a generally center-left category.

            But as humans, just like in other countries it's hard to put us in a clean little box.

            "Nach dem Spiel ist vor dem Spiel." -Sepp Herberger

            by surfbird007 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:19:49 AM PST

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        •  oh and one more: israel. (6+ / 0-)

          I just saw a chart the other day I saw this article about international views/opinions of israel.

          the U.S. and Nigeria are the only two nations with net positive view of the country IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.


          For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

          by mdmslle on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:02:55 AM PST

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          •  Well that poll was 2005-2007 (3+ / 0-)
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            It would be interesting to see if the views towards US has changed since Obama took office.

            Overall the poll is not suprising. I don't think many countries approve of Israel and the obsessed attraction our Govt has with them.

            This is our moment...this is our time! President Barack Obama

            by ankae on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:13:22 AM PST

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            •  actually it's gotten worse. Sorry that one was (2+ / 0-)
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              Here's the most recent one


              For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

              by mdmslle on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:20:59 AM PST

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            •  I should say the U.S. has a MORE positive view (1+ / 0-)
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              of israel since 2005-7 survey (!).

              The global average is slightly more favorable buttressed mostly by US, Kenyan and Nigerian "approval" numbers. A few other nations increased a positive view slightly, like Russia and Brazil and Germany.

              But the overall numbers are about the same

              17/56 in 2005-7

              21/50 in 2012

              For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

              by mdmslle on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:25:27 AM PST

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        •  Boot-up-the-ass jack boot military. (0+ / 0-)

          Fly-by events at football games.

          Kill towel-heads..... etc.

          Crazy as video game players.

        •  I'd agree with your comment above, sort of, that (5+ / 0-)

          the country is left of the media.
          However, I think you could say the country thinks it is center-right, until you start looking at the issues individually.

          This is partly because of the strong sales pitch of the term "conservative". Everyone likes it. "Liberal" was demonized almost to oblivion, now it's been rehabilitated somewhat.

          In reality we need to move beyond the old "cold war" bipolarism.
          The people calling themselves "conservatives" are not really conservative, they're destructive. They're destructively regressive. They're recklessly, destructively regressive. They're radically, recklessly, destructively regressive.

          The average moderate/liberal Dem is more conservative. They are in favor of enough regulation of the markets to keep capitalism sustainable, as opposed to being disastrously unbalanced and dominated by cheaters.

          Obama's expressed objective is to restore the public's confidence in government, not to throw money at problems but to restore the sense to the public that government is "by the people, for the people, of the people" and that it is a responsive, adaptive servant performing necessary duties.
          This is not an ideology or dogma driven vision. It is a functional/analytic vision.

          The "left/right" polarity really doesn't fit the reality anymore.

          The racial/religious animus stirred up by the Kochs and Wall Street won't go away completely, but it will settle.
          The window of opportunity is available now to go forward and re-explain why rebuilding the middle class will help the poor, and why caring about whether the poor innercity kid gets a decent breakfast and a chance to study science and math (or arts and humanities) is in the best interest of the children and grandchildren of the privileged white suburbian.
          Global warming and clean energy will in fact bring the country together and restore a sense of community.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:29:08 AM PST

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    •  The center is up for grabs. It can go either way. (9+ / 0-)

      That's why it's called the center.

      By taking moderate voters for granted, the conservatives stopped thinking seriously about how to attract them.

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      by Kimball Cross on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:22:45 AM PST

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    •  g. castanza should play political trival pursuit (1+ / 0-)
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      with bubble girl.

    •  I can't believe that Noonan wasn't fired (8+ / 0-)

      and issued a court order to stay away from all writing instruments.

      America is a center right country....we don't know what a center right country is but we are one dammit!!!!

    •  Peggy, you ignorant slut! (3+ / 0-)
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      The US is not a "center-right" nation, and hasn't been for quite some time now. But you keep telling yourself and your fellow GOP-ers that, and we'll keep whipping your butts. It's fun, I like this way...never change!

      Pick battles small enough to win but big enough to matter.

      by DivaBabe on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:37:41 AM PST

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    •  If the United States is a center-right country (2+ / 0-)
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      then the Democratic Party is a center-right party.

      Actually, that sounds about correct to me.

      "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is the first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk. Every state is totalitarian at heart; there are no ends to the cruelty it will go to to protect itself." -- Ian McDonald

      by Geenius at Wrok on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:46:36 AM PST

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    •  Right on. And there's so much evidence. (8+ / 0-)

      From David Brooks piece:

      they [Hispanics & Asians] embrace the idea that some government programs can incite hard work, not undermine it; enhance opportunity, not crush it.
      Well, that idea is at the very heart of Democratic ideology. Good government, while it can't and won't solve all of our problems, can do a lot of things to expand opportunity and make our lives better. It's the very basis of our Democratic view of the role of government, and it also has the benefit of being true.

      When white Republicans look at minority voters and think they're supporting Obama simply because he isn't white, or simply because they themselves are minorities, they've fallen into their own racist trap.

      These folks support Democratic candidates because we support them and share their values. It's what George Lakoff has been saying all along: it's the values stupid.

      We are an undeniable center-left nation. It's time for Republicans to wake up to the real America.

      "Nach dem Spiel ist vor dem Spiel." -Sepp Herberger

      by surfbird007 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:06:49 AM PST

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      •  analysis shouldn't focus on minority demographics (2+ / 0-)
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        hi 007 . I also thought the Brooks piece was great, it delivered a psychological/economic analysis of "minority" voting

        imo Dems should never use the word "minorities" to explain the election . first of all, what the heck is a "minority" nowadays? we're all in this crazy world as individuals -- and secondly, it diverts attention from policy + values + microeconomics

        one more thing . and I say this as a 56 yo white .
        the world seems a lot different nowadays to whites > 40 yo because IT IS A LOT DIFFERENT !! lol

        Dems need to find common ground with Republicans and explain why Dem policies + values are not threats -- just different psychological responses to 21st C. life
        < nobody, on the left or the right, likes to be demonized !!
        as the saying goes, "Walk a mile in their shoes" >

    •  If we were a center-right country... (7+ / 0-)

        ...Republicans would be looking to EXPAND the voter pool, not suppress it.


      "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

      by Buzzer on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:08:51 AM PST

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      •  That's a pretty devastating point. Check. (2+ / 0-)
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        Because what is the response? "We aren't trying to suppress the voter pool, only part of it"?


      •  no, because the Republicans have gone hard right (2+ / 0-)
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        IM, expatjourno

        I mean, it's hard to summarize the madness that is the Republican Party these days. But in left-right space, the people driving thie bus are so far away from the average voter that Lindsay Graham is a voice of moderation, and Dick Lugar couldn't win renomination in a state that Obama won in 2008. In the last two cycles, the Republican Party has barely managed to nominate the least preposterous of its competitive presidential candidates. It would be funny if the real-world consequences weren't so harrowing.

        In international perspective, one can make a plausible case that the U.S. is "center-right," although of course it will depend on how one construes "center." Regardless of how one scores that, it has no bearing on Democratic vs. Republican.

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        by HudsonValleyMark on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:59:22 AM PST

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    •  If you listen to this woman in any panel (3+ / 0-)
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      the way she speaks (cadence), she sounds like a fortune teller or a palm reader.

      Don't forget that she predicted a Romney win based on "vibrations".

      •  And that she believes in magic dolphins: (3+ / 0-)
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        From the beginning it was a story marked by the miraculous. It was a miracle a six-year-old boy survived the storm at sea and floated safely in an inner tube for two days and nights toward shore; a miracle that when he tired and began to slip, the dolphins who surrounded him like a contingent of angels pushed him upward...

        That's also the column that contains this gem:

        Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.
        Yes. Literally. She wrote that. In the Wall Street Journal.

        And this:

        He would have made a statement laying out the facts and ended it, "The boy stays, the dream endures, the American story continues. And if Mr. Castro doesn't like it, well, I'm afraid that's really too bad."

        But then he was a man.

        All in the same column. Once you have read that, you know all you need to about Peggy Noonan.
    •  Peggy must be so happy that MJ was legalized (1+ / 0-)
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      in a few states.  There are, at least, some places she can travel and not fear being arrested for carrying her own stash.

      Because either she is smoking some mind bending stuff or she is delusional.

      Oh, wait.  Maybe its both.

      She is the poster child of the Republican Bubble and what is wrong with their world view and party.

      What this election showed is that the country is very much against the right's worldview, etc.

      It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin

      by SeaTurtle on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:33:06 AM PST

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    •  With a center right punditry and media how exactly (1+ / 0-)
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      are Dems gonna get the message out to all the glass eyed TV inhalers who have nothing to do but sit listening to these jackasses telling them how to think and how to excuse thier thinking?

      How can you tell when Rmoney is lying? His lips are moving. Fear is the Mind Killer

      by boophus on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:30:49 AM PST

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      •  It won't be easy. The Inauguration Speech. (1+ / 0-)
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        The State of the Union speech. Weekly Presidential press conferences in which Obama opens with a statement and then takes questions.

        *Presidential appearances on 60 Minutes and on the Sunday talk shows.

        *A behind-the-scenes charm offensive.

        *A war room set-up to get all Democratic leaders to coordinate the message and talking points.

        *A president unafraid of hurting John Boehner's fee-fees.

        *Major public events all through the next two years, like a speech at the Rice University football stadium, where JFK gave his famous "We choose to go to the moon" speech. Not that he should necessarily go to Rice to do that, but a big, big event.

        *Obama should consider taking a page out of JFK's book and manage the media.

        *Obama needs to make this personal and make it clear that he personally is standing up for the middle class, future generations and traditional American values against the Republican vandals.

        It can be done. But it can only be done by a president fully engaged in publicly backing up his preferred policy. Obama is second to none, when he wants to be.

        Unfortunately, his whole first term was all about cutting back room deals to get things dine while losing popularity and the power that comes with that week by week. He needs to be out in front leading, not in the back room dealing.

    •  "It matters" when you hate on the voters and by (2+ / 0-)
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      extension, their friends and relatives and have done so for 100 years, and with increasing vigor year after year.  "It matters" when your sole approach to governing is War,  an Orwellian cynacism that the public will be frightened, cowed and pliable in the face of constant War:  constant war all over the world and here at home against racial minorities, gays and women.  It may be policy to them, but it is heard as hate.

      And by the way, Noonan thinks ours is a center right nation only because she is a center right person.

      Romney: Wrong on GM. Wrong on bin Laden. Wrong on tax cuts. Wrong on austerity. Wrong on Medicare. Wrong on Social Security. Wrong on the 47%. Wrong on FEMA. Wrong for America.

      by SGWM on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:41:44 AM PST

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  •  Yes, it was a rejection of Republican values. (24+ / 0-)

    It was a rejection of the makers vs. takers model, and it was also a rejection of the dog whistle racism and the war on women. And PS, we are not a center-right country. Just try messing with Social Security, and even the 75-year-old white men in the south will come after you with pitch forks.

  •  Why do so (22+ / 0-)

    many conservative pundits have to start out their statements, arguments or columns with that stupid line - "we are a center-right country" ?

    Do they get beat up after school if the don't?

    A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people ... restore their government to it's true principles.

    by maddrailin on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 03:54:04 AM PST

    •  When you look at how people in this country (14+ / 0-)

      self-identify you could come to the conclusion that we're center-right. After decades of hearing liberals demonized, many more people describe themselves as moderate or conservative leaning. But when you delve into specific issues the answer. There was polling on the ACA that clearly showed this. People would say they were against it, but when asked about individual components -- like banning discrimination against pre-existing conditions or allowing people to stay on their family's plan till 26 -- the same individuals were in favor of it. A lot of the problem in this country seems to be presentation and perception, and a center-right media that relies on he-said/she-said doesn't help.

      •  Perfectly said (4+ / 0-)
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        I have a friend who is a conservative. He kept arguing with me about Obamacare and hoped it was repealed.

        We had a sit down over cocktails and I provided the same points you made above. Surprise Surprise, he wasn't aware those elements were part of Obamacare.

        He is still not supportive of it, but now he doesn't support repealing it, just modifying it a bit.

        The media is to blame for much of this misinformation, but Democrats and the President share some of the blame for not showing more leadership and crafting better talking points...and Americans are just too lazy and not interested enough to try to investigate information for themselves.

        We are a center right country on facts now..since they don't matter anymore. Facts are left leaning.

        This is our moment...this is our time! President Barack Obama

        by ankae on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:19:47 AM PST

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        •  The dems have three problems with talking (1+ / 0-)
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          1) We don't do the framing well.
          2) We don't have a central point that fans out faxes to all the news media LIKE THE RETHUGS
          3) The news media and the media in general do not accept our faxes as fillers for their shows. But they do accept GOP faxes and incorporate them not only as filler but as headliners.

          Mostly that seems to be a dem problem, but I am telling you it is a huge media problem and one we need to address somehow. Maybe something like the Levinson Hearings in Britain.

          American Television is a vast sea of stupid. -xxdr zombiexx

          by glitterscale on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:15:59 AM PST

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        •  Well played! (0+ / 0-)
          We are a center right country on facts now..since they don't matter anymore. Facts are left leaning.

          "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

          by gritsngumbo on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:17:45 AM PST

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      •  Monkey see, monkey copy. (2+ / 0-)
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        "Government takeover of health care !!"
        The talking-head monkeys screech it over and over for a couple years.

        The couch potato monkeys follow.

        Anything unusual about that ???

    •  It's one of those handy, magical delimiters (9+ / 0-)

      by which everything said after that point can be largely disregarded.

      See also: "I'm not a racist, but..."

      The GOP isn't evolving -- they're recalibrating their targets.

      by here4tehbeer on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:22:43 AM PST

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    •  they got beat up at school for those ascots. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    •  "we are a center-right country" ? (4+ / 0-)

      Because they want you to assume that's true. If you disregard that statement their entire argument, indeed their entire philosophy, falls apart.

      Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

      by Just Bob on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:09:59 AM PST

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  •  Paul Ryan - Poverty expert - Yeah right. (17+ / 0-)

    "Drudge: soundslike sludge, islike sewage."
    (-7.25, -6.72)

    by gougef on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 03:54:52 AM PST

  •  Ah, Nooner. Always wrong, never in doubt. (22+ / 0-)

    Sure, America is a "center-right" nation. Or rather, it certainly looks like one if you never talk to anyone outside of a gated suburban community or a swanky cocktail party in Manhattan.

    But it's clearly center-left if you talk to any Hispanic-Americans. Or African-Americans. Or union workers. Or schoolteachers. Or working poor. Or....

    You know, all the people Nooner crosses the street to avoid.

    •  Liberals were 25% of the electorate (14+ / 0-)

      Perhaps the most ever, according to the exit polling. Obama won those people by 70%. No surprise.

      Obama also won moderates though, and by double digits, 56-41. They were another 41% of the electorate.

      So in the remaining 1/3 or so Romney won almost all of those people.

      That, to big thinkers like Peggy Noonan, who actually collects a paycheck for her drool, constitutes a "center right" nation.

      •  This was the most liberal-leaning election that I (23+ / 0-)

        can remember since I came of age in the late 1970s. Three states voted to allow gay marriage and another refused to ban it. Two states legalized marijuana, and not just for recreational use. And the people of California realized that they needed to raise taxes to solve their budget problems. Not to mention the new female senators (though we've still got a way to go on parity there). Throw in what happened in New Hampshire -- women taking the governorship, both senate seats and both congressional seats -- and it looks like the electorate is maybe, finally pushing back against the decades-long pull to the right.

        •  Ugh. It's too early. Should read not just for (8+ / 0-)

          medicinal use.

        •  I went back to 1976 exits and checked (17+ / 0-)

          The lowest was 16% self-identifying as liberal (in 1984). The highest, up until this year, was 22% in 2008. That's a significant jump.

          •  Wow, that's incredible (3+ / 0-)

            I had no idea, either.

          •  Ronnie was the master for fascist propaganda. (1+ / 0-)
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            He didn't know he was doing it. Seriously. He thought by pattern recognition and reasonableness, not by the harder standards of inductive logic.

            He was widely loved. His temperament and his voice got him that.

            He didn't have to think often. Well, apart from campaign work getting elected. For example consider the subliminal message hidden in this campaign slogan:

            Ronnie had no idea when he was reading that section of his speech that he was attacking the core of what James Madison, John Adams, and Hamilton had created. He never read the Federalist Papers.

            Or that he was turning on its head Lincoln's Second Inaugural. He did go to the Memorial and he did look at. But he did not understand that the Union is our blessing of justice and liberty from Madison, Jefferson and the other Founders:

            ...On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. ... Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.

            One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. ..... Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

            With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.

            Yet Ronnie opened his campaign in Mississippi. He kissed the Southern Strategy asses of the descendants of those Confederate traitors and slavers who would have destroyed the Union.  

            He did that and piled on against democracy and the constitution.

            Ronnie was in ways as dangerous a man as has lived in the United States of America. Far more effective than the likes of a Dick Cheney or a Joe McCarthy or a Rush Limbaugh.

        •  "Thank you !!" -- to Occupy Wall Street. (4+ / 0-)
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          OWS got through -- despite that corporate press insisted on putting its cameras on the mentally ill among the protestors and on long-term homeless who showed up to get filled tummies.

        •  New Hampshire (0+ / 0-)

          One of NH's women senators is a Tea Party type, though. All women in office are not of one mind, any more than all 57-year-old white millionaire men like me are Republicans, which I am certainly not and never would be...

    •  Peggy has no idea what "Left" means. (1+ / 0-)
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      Seriously. Not one coherent notion.

      She copies Bullshit Mountain nonsense out of Hudson, AEI, and Heritage.

      Then pretends to be a Reagan surrogate.

      This gal was wonderful in her 30s and 40s. first-rate speech writer. Now, she could learn how and what to read. That would end her talking-head career instantly.

  •  wow! from 35% to 49% in four years!? (11+ / 0-)

    that ought to make the GOP reassess things a bit.

    They're losing the cuban vote.

    For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

    by mdmslle on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 03:59:56 AM PST

    •  Older Cubanos expire like everyone else? (8+ / 0-)
      •  that's a 15% drop off in 4 years. they must be (11+ / 0-)

        dying like flies.

        or maybe they are happy to be able to travel to Cuba to see family members again and are keeping their (previous) political leanings to themselves.

        Lots of folks forgot Obama opened up family travel early in his first term.

        For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

        by mdmslle on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:06:45 AM PST

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        •  The Cubans who fled Castro (4+ / 0-)
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          supported Batista and many lived very well under his rule. Supporting a corrupt authoritarian restricted aristocracy seems the normal order of the world to them.

          Back in power, Batista suspended the 1940 Constitution and revoked most political liberties, including the right to strike. He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[6] Batista's increasingly corrupt and repressive regime then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba's commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships with the American mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large multinational American corporations that had invested considerable amounts of money in Cuba.[6][7] To quell the growing discontent amongst the populace—which was subsequently displayed through frequent student riots and demonstrations—Batista established tighter censorship of the media, while also utilizing his anti-Communist secret police to carry out wide-scale violence, torture and public executions; ultimately killing anywhere from 1,000 to 20,000 people.

          Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

          by Just Bob on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:23:07 AM PST

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      •  there have been two generations of children for (5+ / 0-)
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        those who came in the 1950's...probably want to be able to go back and visit, help out economically, see relatives they never had a chance to know and buy one of those well maintained 55 chevys...

    •  we need to reverse our Cuba policy of 50+ yrs (14+ / 0-)

      Cuba would have been free and Castro deposed around 1989 (same time as Eastern Europe) but for Cuban Americans in Florida and "bad Democrats (on this issue)" like Dem NJ Sen Menendez.  US policy for decades in Eastern Europe was to engage and send students and professors, cultural groups, symphonies, etc to their countries to mingle and hear about the freedoms and economic well being in the West.  US policy in Cuba for the last 50+ years, driven by Cuban Americans in FL who have dreams of returning to Cuba and recovering their estates, homes and businesses (a false dream since even European and other investors have been buying up those assets) has been the opposite - to shun and boycott Cuba and prevent any contact by US cultural, university, and business with everyday Cubans.   Essentially no other country on planet Earth agrees with the failed US policy - but US politicians, afraid of the Cuban-American vote in swing state Florida, have slavishly supported the 50+ year old failed US policy.  Let's hope Obama fundamentally reverses that failed policy.  If not, we can expect the Castros to still be ruling an un-free Cuba even after Obama leaves office.

      •  And this election shows we're getting closer (5+ / 0-)
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        to reversing.

        It's always amazed me that the Democrats have not used something along the lines of "let's use capitalism in our fight with Cuba" and point to Vietnam as an example of what could happen if we opened up economic trade with Cuba.

      •  Agreed (2+ / 0-)
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        What is the point of continuing this stupid Cuban policy?

         We opened up travel for family members and the sky didn't fall, we didn't have the end of the world, Cuba didn't invade us, communism didn't take over our schools and.............. WE STILL WON FLORIDA!

        Good gracious, what more must happen before we stop it. Obama needs to do it in 2014. Give the party nominee. at least 2 yrs to overcome any negative fall out.

        This is our moment...this is our time! President Barack Obama

        by ankae on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:26:53 AM PST

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      •  My husband and I are going on (0+ / 0-)

        an "educational and cultural" trip to Cuba in two weeks. We are so looking forward to it.

    •  I'd like to know what percentage of (0+ / 0-)

      Those that voted for Obama were born in Cuba.

      My bet is almost none. And I'd bet that the percentage of Cuban Americans that were born in Cuba is pretty low too.

      •  actually (4+ / 0-)
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        The Bendixen & Amandi exit poll found Mr. Obama won by 60% to 40% among Cuban-Americans born in the U.S., while Mr. Romney prevailed by 55% to 45% among those born in Cuba.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:55:19 AM PST

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  •  All those in favor of a GOP Battle Royale.....say (7+ / 0-)


    •  AYE!!!! (4+ / 0-)

      One of my favorite radio hosts on Sirius XM is Pete Dominick, and he was saying we shouldn't be gloating after the election.
      Who needs to gloat, the conservatives are quite entertaining all by themselves.
      I'm listening to some whinefest on the POTUS channel now, where the losers are demanding that the Republicans follow their REJECTED plans on taxes, their rejected plans on immigration, on cutting spending and building the military.
      This is the "We lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough" crowd.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:31:03 AM PST

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  •  Top table (0+ / 0-)

    Romney voters add up to 103%.

    Proof of voter fraud or sign of their bad schizophrenia?

    Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid. You step out of line, the man come and take you away. - S. Stills

    by ask on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:01:27 AM PST

  •  I'm curious to know (12+ / 0-)

    if anyone polled how voters felt about Romney not releasing his taxes.  To me that encapsulated  the disdain the 1% feels for the rest of us, but I've seen no data on whether it was an important factor for anyone voters.

    Paul Ryan = Ebenezer Scrooge

    by Van Buren on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:04:15 AM PST

  •  On polling "wrong track" (21+ / 0-)

    It's irritated the shit out of me that there is apparently no follow up on this question. When someone tells a pollster they feel we're on the wrong track it's meaningless without knowing whether that's because they're disatisfied with the intended direction or with the obstructionism preventing us from going in the right direction.

    Seems pretty clear those wrong track numbers were an indictment of GOP obstructionism, not PBO's vision of where we should be headed.

    Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

    by JTinDC on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:06:44 AM PST

  •  America is center-right? Hardly. (8+ / 0-)

    Peggy and George Will like to throw that term around. They're clueless.

    Remember, you can't have crazy without az.

    by Desert Rose on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:07:08 AM PST

    •  Democrats posted big wins in the center (7+ / 0-)

      Peggy and George can use whatever term they like to mollify themselves but the fact remains that if you lose the center as badly as Republicans are these days you're just not going to get elected.

      •  It is easy to understand how they conclude (2+ / 0-)
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        we are a center right country.  Their field of vision only includes white people.  If you refuse to acknowledge the existence of minorities in your thinking, you might well conclude this is a center right country.  Of course you would still be wrong and will be more wrong as the demographics of the country continue to evolve.

        Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. Harry Truman

        by ratcityreprobate on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:03:47 AM PST

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      •  Maybe center-right economically, (0+ / 0-)

        but further to the left socially -- and much of this election was a rejection of the Republican's Big Daddy "my way or the highway" policies, at least in the more educated parts of the country. Voters saw through the deception of contraceptive coverage equalling a war on religion (most Christian denominations and other religions are morally neutral to contraception, at least when used in the context of a faithful marriage) and understand the difference between civil and religious marriage. Even Catholics narrowly voted for Obama, proving that the folks in the pews are often smarter than those in the hierarchy.

        "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

        by Cali Scribe on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:51:23 AM PST

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    •  Peggy "I never had an Orgasm except in my sleep (0+ / 0-)

      when I was dreaming about Ronnie Ray-Gun" Noonan?

  •  I want to say (9+ / 0-)

    Fuck those clueless Republican Pundits like George, Peggy & Charles ! They live in a bubble that is paid for by the .01% !

  •  A few election statistics from Charles M. Blow (2+ / 0-)
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    are offered in this diary which examines his column, Election Data Dive   Have fun.

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:10:39 AM PST

  •  Lincoln (0+ / 0-)

    is the title of

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:11:39 AM PST

  •  Garry Wills in NYRB: "What Romney Lost" (27+ / 0-)

    This is pretty brutal but sadly true.  Wills compares the post-election loss actions of other Presidential candidates to what we can expect from Romney.

    What vestige of a backbone is Romney left with? Things he was once proud of —health-care guarantees, opposition to noxious emissions, support of gay rights and women’s rights, he had the shamelessness to treat as matters of shame all through his years-long crawl to the Republican nomination.
    He compares the" post-loss" records of McGovern, Dukaki, Carter, even Dole, noting they all went on to make significant contributions to society.  But unlike Romney,-
    None of these men engineered a wholesale repudiation of their former principles. Romney, on the contrary, did not let earlier positions grow—enriching, say, his experience of health care legislation to give his approach greater refinement or focus. He just tried to erase the whole matter from his record.
    *   *   *
    Many losing candidates became elder statesmen of their parties. What lessons will Romney have to teach his party? The art of crawling uselessly? How to contemn 47 percent of Americans less privileged and beautiful than his family? How to repudiate the past while damaging the future? It is said that he will write a book. Really? Does he want to relive a five-year-long experience of degradation? What can be worse than to sell your soul and find it not valuable enough to get anything for it?
    The guy sold himself down the river.
    •  He'll just buy them back--at a profit. (0+ / 0-)
      None of these men engineered a wholesale repudiation of their former principles

      "It strikes me as gruesome and comical that in our culture we have an expectation that a man can always solve his problems" - Kurt Vonnegut

      by jazzence on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:15:14 AM PST

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    •  Sorry, wrong link (5+ / 0-)

      Here is the link to the NYRB column by Garry Wills

      •  thanks (6+ / 0-)

        I liked that Paul Ryan piece, though, LOL.

        Ryan also appeared eager to talk about poverty when asked about guns in an Oct. 8 local television interview with a reporter from hardscrabble Flint, Mich.

        "But the best thing to help prevent violent crime in the inner cities is to bring opportunity in the inner cities, is to help people get out of poverty in the inner cities, is to help teach people good discipline, good character," Ryan said. "That is civil society. That's what charities, and civic groups, and churches do to help one another make sure that they can realize the value in one another."

        The reporter then replied, "And you can do all that by cutting taxes? By ... with a big tax cut?"

        "Those are your words, not mine," Ryan said. Ryan's spokesman ended the interview from off-camera.

        "That was kind of strange," Ryan added. "You're trying to stuff words in people's mouths?"

        It was the last television interview he did.


        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:12:45 AM PST

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        •  I wasn't surprised that the bosses wouldn't let (3+ / 0-)
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          him talk about poverty, nor was I surprised that their reason was that the GOP "doesn't test well" on the issue. I was surprised that Ryan wanted to do it, though, because it seemed so, I dunno, human of him. But now that I see what he wanted to say, it's just as dickish as everything else from him. And that's why the GOP doesn't test well on the subject.

    •  well on his way down he will pass the corpses of (1+ / 0-)
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      workers stuck in tree branches by the river bank whose jobs he killed and whose families he put into despair....i hope he makes it all the way to the rapids and gets eaten by his once friends, the .001% piranhas.

    •  wow. this sounds like a diary I have in queue. (1+ / 0-)
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      phooey! Foiled again!

      For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

      by mdmslle on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:09:49 AM PST

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    •  Rumor has it that he in one of The Seventy. (0+ / 0-)

      A higher up in the Mormon Church.

      Promoted from Stake President during the Winter Olympics.

      It's parallel to being a Roman Catholic Cardinal.

  •  LOL at Peggy Noonan (14+ / 0-)

    Who apparently thinks that all Romney needed to win was for Paul Ryan to go into poor areas and talk about how Mitt Romney cares about them and would demonstrate it as president by cutting social programs like the EITC and, I don't know, giving them a discount on bootstraps or something.

    •  Put Jindal or Rubio out front....and all will be (9+ / 0-)

      well.....That's the ticket!!

      •  i soooo hope they do! i'm calling landslide in (2+ / 0-)
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        2016 if that happens.

        the r's usually throw the nomination to the runner-up in the primaries, which rick santorum has been working hard to claim title of, but from what i've been hearing/reading it looks like the establishment wants to give the nod to paul ryan, with some latino -- any one will do :) -- in the vp spot.  you know, cos the r's are so inclusive :D

      •  I'm picking up a consistent theme... (4+ / 0-)
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        ...from Noonan, Brooks and several other Villagers in the GOP/Conservative "neighborhood." The "minority problem" can only be addressed by reassessing...something... with Hispanics and Asians.

        Note this line from Brooks:

        The Pew Research Center does excellent research on Asian-American and Hispanic values. Two findings jump out. First, people in these groups have an awesome commitment to work. By most measures, members of these groups value industriousness more than whites.
        So "us Black folk" by omission are as Sununu characterized POTUS after the first Debate: LAZY. I'm still amazed that he omitted "shiftless."

        Irredeemably and permanently doomed to being layabouts, malingerers and ne'er-do-wells for eternity.

        African-Americans are dead to them. End of discussion. And we will always be primary target of what is so very wrong with "their country", no matter how demographics accelerate in the decades to come.

        I have come to accept it as a "cross" that generations after me will "have to bear."

        When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

        by Egalitare on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:28:35 AM PST

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    •  I'm so sad they stomped on Ryan's idea (1+ / 0-)
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      to do that.  Could have been some incredible entertainment.

  •  Today's losingest election couple is.... (22+ / 0-)

    Free Image Hosting at

    Republican Rep. Connie Mack has lost his bid for the U.S. Senate in Florida, according to the Associated Press.

    Mack, the husband of Palm Springs’ Rep. Mary Bono Mack, was hoping to unseat Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson.

    Initial results from the Florida Secretary of State show Mack has 41.5 percent of the vote to Nelson’s 56.03 percent.

    Rep. Mary Bono Mack conceded her race in CA-36 last night.

  •  It was the 47% comment that sealed (10+ / 0-)

    Romney's fate.  It was so illustrative of how clueless the entitled class are to the struggles of everyone else.

    My family doesn't follow politics as much as I do but when we got together for dinner shortly after Romney's 47% comment was unearthed, that's all anyone wanted to talk about.  They were all steaming mad about it.

    We in the 47% understand that we are the makers.  It's Romney and his chums in the GOP that are the takers.

  •  It was over at 9:15 PM when Worcester VT's... (8+ / 0-) tally was announced. I'm a ballot counter and I should not have been forced to go home and subject myself to 3 more hours of punditry and analysis. In the future, can't we just exit poll Worcester and say goodnight?

    Obama           416
    Romney.         111
    Other & blank.   24

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:25:45 AM PST

  •  Action base on facts (6+ / 0-)

    imagine,  if Romneys team were acting base on the real polls and not what they want to believe,  then they would have a chance to beat President Obama.  They would change some strategy,  look for more voters,  etc.  Their foolhardly thumb down on scientific polls blinded them to the real problem that they need to solve to get ahead.

    David Frum is right.  They need to stop the right wing disinformation system spewing hatred untruths and misinforming their base so that the poor politician even if he knows the truth has to hold those beliefs and offer solutions that the base wants to hear but has no bearing to real problems.  

    Unless they do that,  our democracy will not be served if we just have one sensible party.

    wall Street Casino is the root of the problem. Don't call them banks.

    by timber on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:27:31 AM PST

  •  The GOP's Killer Whale belly-flopped (12+ / 0-)

    Remember them bragging about this?

    Mitt Romney’s online voter-turnout operation suffered a meltdown on Election Day, result­ing in a crucial 90-minute “buckling” of the system in Boston and the inability of some campaign workers across the country to use a vital smartphone program, according to campaign officials and volunteers.
    *  *  *
    Code-named ORCA, the program was kept secret until just before the election in order to prevent hacking of the system.
    This was their supersophisticated e-system designed to inform Romney's  Boston HQ how many voters were turning out precinct by precinct, ward by ward, so they could dispatch their legions of "volunteers" to help GOTV in those areas.
    But at Boston’s TD Garden, where 800 Romney workers were staffing phones and computers in coordination with the field workers to oversee the turnout, the surge in traffic was so great that the system didn’t work for 90 minutes, causing panic as staffers frantically tried to restore service. Some campaign workers also reported that they had incorrect PINS and had not been informed that they needed certification to work at polling places.
    Crashed and burned, baby.
  •  Did anyone poll on honesty? (8+ / 0-)

    Anyone who was paying attention knew Mitt was lying through his teeth from the very beginning. His stump speech last spring and summer was full of blatant lies & I wonder if that got through to the average voter, who doesn't pay that much attention. To me, this was the biggest part of the media fail and they were only forced to report the Jeep lie because of Chrysler's reaction.

    I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

    by hulibow on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:36:30 AM PST

  •  Center Right? After that beating? (2+ / 0-)
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    Noonan, to me at least, is incorrect trying to continue calling us a Center Right country. Only in Conservative pundits circles are we even close to that.

    Trying to pin a label on the country as a whole is a futile gesture. We are a variety of people with needs that vary greatly depending on our status and ethnic background. Calling us Center Right is trying to inflict one group's morals on the remainder and we just don't need that anymore.

    We are a country of that should be listening to all different viewpoints from right to left. Assuming some baseline center right is just plain wrong. On some financial issues, we may end up somewhere in the conservative range. But on entitlements we are very much back on the liberal side. So I disgusts me when I hear some pundit recite what they THINK we are... Center Right...

    All I can say to that is "wishful thinking."

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:37:37 AM PST

  •  The Hispanic vote is the future (12+ / 0-)

    President Obama captured 71 percent of the Hispanic vote which translated into a 44 percentage point advantage over Romney.

    The GOP should be taking note because As many as 60,000 Hispanics reach voting age every month.  I wonder if Rove's "happy" calculator can tally up how many more votes will go into the "D" column next election.

    As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

    by JaxDem on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:50:24 AM PST

  •  Sorry Peggy (7+ / 0-)
    We are a center-right country
    I think this election proves you wrong.
  •  Dear Peggy Noonan, (3+ / 0-)
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    You and the rest of the Villagers may be center-right. I'm center-left.

    Just Bob

    Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

    by Just Bob on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:59:05 AM PST

  •  Sick of hearing "Center Right" (1+ / 0-)
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    What is this "tug-a-war"? Does that statement give them something to say to feel better?

    Like the punditry drowning on about voting number statistics - what is this, the Olympics?

    There's no "silver medal" for Mitt, he lost - his party needs to stuff it.

    And the Republicans better make sure they check the weather reports before they run again - since they can only win with sunny skies.

    If not us ... who? If not here ... where? If not now ... when?

    by RUNDOWN on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:00:32 AM PST

  •  I love the postmortems of Romney... (1+ / 0-)
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    itzik shpitzik I did one too!

  •  I'm still amazed (9+ / 0-)

    that the Republican candidate and many of his followers seemed to have been completely supprised by Tuesday nights results. Could they really have been that dumb or is this just some kind of crazy spin. Truth is a precious commodity over there so who knows.

    Victory is sweet-November 6, 2012

    by al23 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:05:05 AM PST

  •  The Romney caampaign was aftermath all along. (2+ / 0-)
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    skohayes, tb mare

    Could't do the arithmetic on government spending & revenue.

    Could't calculate the election results.

    Truly an aftermath campaign.

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:21:46 AM PST

  •  David C. Wilson: white youth voted for Romney (4+ / 0-)
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    According to that very interesting David C. Wilson piece, 18-29 year old white voters voted 51/44 Romney.

    As a member of that particular demographic, that really disappoints me. What is it about my fellow white millennials that makes huge chunks of us so stupid?

  •  I went and listened to the RW talking heads... (6+ / 0-)

    Since I found out what channel 'Fox News' was on in the aftermath of the election, I went ahead and watched some Fox 'news' yesterday, and have been watching the c-span show this morning, on which the chairwoman of the national Tea Party is appearing this morning, to pop out talking points in response to callers.  My brain hurts.  I already knew, intellectually, that these folks were paranoid, delusional, self-important, arrogant, and most of all, ignorant, but to actually watch it unfold as if such displays were in some way worthwhile, and actually made people think better of them was jaw-dropping.

    The trite phrases, the talking points based on long-debunked ideological ideas, the idea that they can simply start paying attention to politics and instantly provide 'the solution' to problems they don't even have the faintest understanding of was enough to make my blood pressure rise 20 points.

    I had assumed that Fox 'News' people were simply cynical, feeding the paranoid delusions and hatred of 'other' of the people who watch them, but now I think they actually share those delusions; the stupidity on display was astounding.

  •  No shit, Peggy Noonan! (4+ / 0-)
    The outcome was not only a re-election but on some level and to some degree a rejection.
    Gee Peggy, how astute you are. And to what level and to what degree? Instead of purging people for not being RW enough, why don't you start with purging your hate mongers, war mongers, and fear mongers. I'm still waiting for someone to apologize for Iraq war, which I know won't happen. But your team could stand up to Rush and Glenn and their ilk and tell them to STFU and take a hike. When will your team repudiate those turds?
    President Barack Obama won re-election despite an electorate that sees a nation on the wrong track ...
    No one ever drills down on this question to ask, what it is about the the nation's wrong track that makes it wrong? For me, it's the methodical  obstruction of the RW and their total refusal to compromise to solve problems that is the wrong track.

    the Republican brand is totally bankrupt.

    by vlyons on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:28:06 AM PST

    •  More on this theme: (6+ / 0-)

      Christian Right Failed to Sway Voters on Issues

      “Millions of American evangelicals are absolutely shocked by not just the presidential election, but by the entire avalanche of results that came in,” R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, in Louisville, Ky., said in an interview. “It’s not that our message — we think abortion is wrong, we think same-sex marriage is wrong — didn’t get out. It did get out.

      “It’s that the entire moral landscape has changed,” he said. “An increasingly secularized America understands our positions, and has rejected them.”

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:38:16 AM PST

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      •  LOL Evangelicals are shocked too? (2+ / 0-)
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        Yes Mr. Evangelical, I think the electorate is getting  sick and tired of you trying to push them around and telling them what to think.

        We have a constitution that separates Church from state...stay out of politics! Your congregation can think for themselves.

        It is amazing that evangelicals that Luv the Lord, won't stand up to right wing slashing social programs, their hatefulness and racism, but can talk about same sex marriage and abortion. Hypocrites!

        This is our moment...this is our time! President Barack Obama

        by ankae on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:34:01 AM PST

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        •  Other losers: (2+ / 0-)
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          American Crossroads, the Karl Rove-led Super PAC, had an awful won-lost record in 2012. Only 1.29 percent of the $103,559,672 that that group spent resulted in American Crossroads’ expected outcome, and the group did not support a single winning candidate.

          Rove’s “dark money” group, Crossroads Grassroots Policy Strategies, didn’t fare much better. It had a 14.4 percent batting average — but also didn’t support any election-night winners.

          Rove’s terrible return on his donors’ investments may come back to haunt him. As one Republican operative told The Huffington Post’s Jon Ward, “There is some holy hell to pay. Karl Rove has a lot of explaining to do… I don’t know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing.”

          Charles and David Koch didn’t fare much better than Rove. The Koch brothers-linked Center to Protect Patient Rights backed several outside spending groups, few of which found much success in the election results. The American Future fund spent only 5.57 percent of its $23,613,532 successfully, opposing three losing candidates and supporting zero winners. Americans for Responsible Leadership was even worse, getting the desired result on only 1.96 percent of its $5,022,762 spent.

          The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, another of the most prominent outside groups on the right, also found very little success — 6.9 percent of its spending ended with the intended result; the Chamber supported just four winning candidates, and opposed three election-night losers.

          The Ending Spending Action Fund — a Super PAC backed by conservative billionaire Joe Ricketts, which memorably considered an ad campaign that would have painted President Barack Obama as a “metrosexual, black Abe Lincoln” — had a relatively low 15.34 percent ROI on its $13,238,296 of spending.

          No outside spending group fared worse than the National Rifle Association. The National Rifle Association Of America Political Victory Fund spent $11,787,523 in 2012, only 0.81 percent of which delivered the group’s preferrd electoral outcome.

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:47:08 AM PST

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      •  So America doesn't like intolerance? (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm shocked. Not.

  •  Let The Happy Dance Continue! (0+ / 0-)

    “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

    by RoIn on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:30:15 AM PST

  •  David Brooks comment - Very interesting !! (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not familiar with his columns, maybe I should start reading them bc his remarks about asians + latinos was a great microeconomic analysis - it's where psychology intersects with market forces  << how we labor + make profits in the USA is an ever-changing phenomenon >> thanks G. Dworkin for the link

  •  Thanks, Greg, for including my interview. (1+ / 0-)
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    Sorry I didn't get here sooner, but if anyone has a question or comment, please let me know and I'll be happy to reply.

  •  Need to Get Something Going in the States (1+ / 0-)
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    Republicans dominate most state houses, and they will legislate a permanent majority in the House.  They may also legislate themselves a majority in the electoral college.

    •  We have to get governor seats back too (0+ / 0-)

      Kansas is going to be going over the edge here in a few years, as we institute Brownback's "Severely Conservative" budget, slashing taxes and pretending that  tens of thousands of people will then move here for non-existent jobs, and thus increase revenues.
      Last year he turned down federal money to begin to plan a state exchange for the health care plan, and now says he won't start one because it would cost the state money.

      Gov. Sam Brownback said Thursday that Kansas will have a federally run health insurance exchange, after he declined to support the state insurance commissioner's application for a state-federal partnership.

      Brownback had said months ago he would wait until after Tuesday's election before moving forward on any provisions of the new federal health care law. He announced his decision about the required exchange - an online health insurance marketplace - after meeting with Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger, who sought the governor's signature on a letter of support for a state-federal exchange.

      The decision illustrates the divide over the federal health care law between the conservative Republican governor and the moderate Republican commissioner.

      "My administration will not partner with the federal government to create a state-federal partnership insurance exchange because we will not benefit from it and implementing it could costs Kansas taxpayers millions of dollars," Brownback said in a statement.

      Read more here:

      Of course, if he had taken the money from the federal government last year, it would have cost the state very little money.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:48:19 AM PST

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      •  So he's ok with a federally run (1+ / 0-)
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        Health insurance plan?

        I'm assuming he's one of those who was screaming that the Feds were going to take over health care?

        So why the hell did he just LET THEM when it was well within his power to stop it?

        There's the main theme of his dem opponent. He let the Feds take over Kansas health care. And didn't even take the money they were willing to give to STOP IT.

        •  It's completely idiotic- (0+ / 0-)

          that $31 million would have created jobs, and an infrastructure that catered to the unique needs of Kansans, but Brownback said he was sure the SCOTUS would vote against the ACA and it would be a waste of time, and once again was proven wrong. Then he wanted to wait until after the election and we're stuck with the federal generic exchange.

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:07:14 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Thanks for another good roundup, Greg (5+ / 0-)

    It's really great to have this sampling every morning--one of the many reasons I love dailykos.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:35:20 AM PST

  •  yeah, peggy, right. keep telling yourself (0+ / 0-)

    whatever you want to hear & it will be reality.  ha!  that didn't work so well, did it, on election nite at romney hq.

    peggy noonan & the rest of the very serious people have been saying "this is a center-right country" ever since st ronnie was running against carter.  it wasn't true then, & it's not true now -- in fact, it's never been true, but the rw gasbags keep repeating it b/c they know how easy it is to work the media, so that's what they do.

  •  The blind leading the blind... (1+ / 0-)
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    Milsap on stage for the folks who "never saw it coming".

  •  Many keepers in this group of (5+ / 0-)

    columns and findings.  Thank you.

    The nutbags have reason to worry.  A good handful of them went down in flames -- Akin, Mourdock, West, Walsh -- and several others only barely escaped defeat.  

    The GOP is likely as feistily competitive as ever and knows it is going to have to regroup and form new emphasis points to win more elections.  In a weak economy with high unemployment, they lost a national election.  I don't think the nutbags are going to much like their status in the realignment.  Good.  

    If you dump an establishmentarian Senate candidate in favor of a vacuous fool who dabbled in witchcraft, you deserve to lose that Senate race.  Even red Indiana this new cycle went with the Democrat against real-crazy Mourdock.  Lugar would likely have cruised to an easy victory.  

    The GOP let the nutbags in to their party and now the nutbags have trashed the joint.  Throwing them out is going to be ugly.  And very fun to watch.

    •  What's worse (1+ / 0-)
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      is that the leadership of the party that were the authors of this disaster don't seem to be suffering any consequences for their lack of oversight.
      John Cornyn presided over the stunning Republican defeat in the Senate, where Republicans not only failed to capture any of the 25 seats the Democrats were defending, but actually lost two seats!
      Mitch McConnell completely failed on his "most important political goal- to make sure Barack Obama is a one term president".
      Romney's campaign was riddled with advisers that ignored reality in favor of telling the candidate that he really was winning, to the point where Romney did not even write a concession speech.
      These are the leaders of the establishment Republicans, the money boys, the brains of the outfit.
      And they failed. Completely, utterly failed.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:29:24 AM PST

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      •  Agree. The red team got whupped (1+ / 0-)
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        pretty good this time around.  

        And they were positioned to win on a variety of levels.

        Early on in the GOP primary campaign, here on DKos people were wondering why the Romney camp kept missing cues.  

        Evidently they didn't have much competition in the primaries so they never had to hone a really sharp operation.  

        Then they tried to step in to the ring with Barack Obama and it looks like that matchup didn't go so well.  

        "And they failed.  Completely, utterly failed."  Bingo.

  •  Hey, it was Ann fucking Romney who said Latinos (5+ / 0-)

    needed to 'get over their biases'...sorry, reading the National Journal's lukewarm admission that old white votes aren't enough and that the GOP needs to find a way to 'reach out' to those others and convince them they're not a bunch of bigoted assholes.  

    Here are some hints:
    1. Start with a candidate who doesn't pander to bigots.
    2. Make sure the person you hire to 'humanize' him - LIKE HIS FUCKING WIFE - isn't a bitter, self-righteous bigot herself.
    3.  There is no 3.  Until you get beyond 1 and 2 you can continue to fuck yourselves.

    /rant off.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:43:45 AM PST

  •  Peggy Noonan? (2+ / 0-)
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    Till the end of time I will have that idiotic op-ed by her about how Mittens had the wind to his back and was going to win because she said so, burned into my brain.

    I just can never take her fake as serious again. Funny the little ditty she wrote afterward reflected her own ignorance and inability to understand how anyone could not think like her.

  •  It's got nothing to do with race... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...and everything.

    What binds us as Americans is our collective...what we ALL need - good education (affordable at the higher reaches and sold at the lower), universal health care, a decent (living) wage, to be secure in our homes and cities, a fair playing field.

    These things transcend race. But the right sees it as all about race (We lost with blacks! We lost with women! We lost with Latinos!) and now is trying to figure out how to pander to those blocks they lost. They're going to try all sorts of things now. But other than immigration reform, there isn't much they can do about their top-down and give-it-all-to-the-rich philosophy.

    We are a melting pot. Personally, I love the rich fabric of all the threads of immigrants, both new and old, who have come here. As was noted above, government has a place in ensuring that we are stronger individually, which makes us stronger collectively.

    Republicans don't get that. And no amount of pandering to one demographic or another will change things for them.

    Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

    by MA Liberal on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:50:12 AM PST

  •  HA! Ryan loses home town of Janesville (2+ / 0-)
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    Even though Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) won re-election at the same time he was on the national ticket, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel notes he was crushed in his hometown of Janesville, WI by challenger Rob Zerban (D), 55% to 44%. Ryan had never lost Janesville in a re-election campaign before.

    In addition, the Obama-Biden ticket defeated Romney-Ryan ticket in Janesville by a whopping 25 points, 62% to 37%.

    "The drop-off from the Ryan congressional vote to the Romney-Ryan presidential vote was much larger in Janesville (7.2 points) than it was in the rest of the congressional district (3 points). Put another way, there were more Ryan ticket-splitters in Janesville than other places: people who voted for Ryan for Congress but against Ryan for vice president.

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:50:27 AM PST

  •  Ronnie Milsap dis (0+ / 0-)

    The Nation Journal reporter doesn't seem to be very familiar with the Ronnie Milsap oeuvre.  

    Milsap, of course, has a song titled 'Lost in the 50's tonight'  which includes a substantial bit lifted (with attribution) from "Still of Night"

    Not the other way around...Morans!

  •  This is a fun read (1+ / 0-)
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    The Great Obamagasm

    This just in: The pro-choice, pro-women, pro-environment, pro gay-marriage, pro-education, pro-health care-reform black guy who seems to genuinely care about the state of the world and helping as many people as possible even though he’s imperfect and can’t get it right every time, he beat out the hollow, wildly dishonest, anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-environment, anti-everything rich guy no one really liked and everyone knew would slam us back a couple generations and a Mormon half.

    And lo, it is a good day indeed.

    At last, all these weeks and months of liberal hand-wringing can finally cease. The hot bubble of shock and awe that Mitt Romney managed to lie, fake, and bulls–t his way that close to the White House can finally burst and recede into giddy pools of nervous laughter and multiple double shots of whisky. Join me? Hell yes.

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:56:30 AM PST

  •  "Oops..." (2+ / 0-)
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    "At 5 o'clock when the exit polls come out, we won't pay attention to that," Gitcho said Monday. "We will have had much more scientific information just based on the political operation we have set up."
    Courtesy PBS Newshour, here's an interview with Romney's Communications Director Gail Gitcho explaining, on the day before the election, how their massive ORCA project will defeat communism.

    (h/t Wonkette via B-J)

    The GOP isn't evolving -- they're recalibrating their targets.

    by here4tehbeer on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:01:29 AM PST

    •  Here's a take from a user (3+ / 0-)
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      the day after:

      Now a note about the technology itself. For starters, this was billed as an "app" when it was actually a mobile-optimized website (or "web app"). For days I saw people on Twitter saying they couldn't find the app on the Android Market or iTunes and couldn't download it. Well, that's because it didn't exist. It was a website. This created a ton of confusion. Not to mention that they didn't even "turn it on" until 6AM in the morning, so people couldn't properly familiarize themselves with how it worked on their personal phone beforehand.

      Next, and this part I find mind-boggingly absurd, the web address was located at " Notice the "s" after http. This denotes it's a secure connection, something that's used for e-commerce and web-based email. So far, so good. The problem is that they didn't auto-forward the regular "http" to "https" and as a result, many people got a blank page and thought the system was down. Setting up forwarding is the simplest thing in the world and only takes seconds, but they failed to do it. This is compounded by the fact that mobile browsers default to "http" when you just start with "www" (as 95% of the world does).

      By 2PM, I had completely given up. I finally got ahold of someone at around 1PM and I never heard back. From what I understand, the entire system crashed at around 4PM. I'm not sure if that's true, but it wouldn't surprise me. I decided to wait for my wife to get home from work to vote, which meant going very late (around 6:15PM). Here's the kicker, I never got a call to go out and vote. So, who the hell knows if that end of it was working either.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:50:26 AM PST

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  •  What happened to Noonan's good vibrations? (1+ / 0-)
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    A few days ago Romney was going to get vibed into the WhiteHouse.

  •  Any numbers on how much the Veepal debate (0+ / 0-)

    helped the Obama campaign? I didn't watch it, but smiled at the descriptions of how Biden wiped the floor with Ryan. Props for Joe, bitchezzz!

  •  Sorry, but if race decided this election ... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... then someone forgot to tell people in Vermont, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Massachusetts, Iowa ....

    I understand Wilson's point, but lumping college-educated white women in the Northeast with less-educated women in the South and taking a single average, does not give me a helpful data point about "white women."

    Sorry Wilson doesn't have a large enough exit poll sample to give us more meaningful breakouts, but the fact remains that mean is fairly useless if data has multiple clusters.

    The Obama campaign won in no small part because of their sophistication in microtargeting smaller groups of voters than "white women." No campaign in 2012 can win by assuming that an electoral group as large as "white women" is monolithic.

    Anyone pretending to analyze election results for the public needs to do a bit better than calling "white women" a group that can be analyzed as a bloc without factoring in that a number may be based instead on the component factors of that group: education or income level, for example.

    •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

      In the past few days we've seen discussion about white men, rural voters, and so on.  What we've seen less of is how the Democrats, as a party, have effectively broken through the right wing echo chamber and gained a plurality of the voters despite Citizens United, the Fox Propaganda Machine, and GOP Big Lies.  That work needs to continue, and we need to get that message out to all middle class voters, regardless of race, gender, or geography.  

  •  The round-up of opinion this morning is some of (1+ / 0-)
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    Greg Dworkin

    the best analysis I've ever seen here. And most enlightening.

    That figure about Barack almost equaling the Cuban-American vote in Florida? Historical, and understandable.
    The GOP is in trouble.  

    "There's a lot to be said for making people laugh. Did you know that that's all some people have? It isn't much, but it's better than nothing in this cockeyed caravan." --Joel McCrea as "Sully," in "Sullivan's Travels."

    by Wildthumb on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:45:28 AM PST

  •  GOP is wrong, the voters rejected their (0+ / 0-)

    "center-fascism" vision of America with its racism and militarism.  What really drove the final nail into the Republican dreams was Romney's dyspeptic theory of the 47% under-class that the "Job Creators" had to be tame.

  •  Shorter Greg Dworkin (0+ / 0-)

    "Peggy Noonan:

    [skip] supremely confident, essentially clueless."

    This is the woman whose vibrations told her Romney would win.  How can she claim to understand why he lost so soon after predicting he would win ?  

    When will someone, anyone, lose his or her certified pundit card ?

  •  In Latin America Socialist Christians win (0+ / 0-)

    To the point about the PEW Research Center's findings on the political philosophy of many Hispanics:
    I think Bush went after immigration reform because he thought that Hispanics, being overwhelmingly Catholic, were natural conservatives once you removed social issues from the equation.
    If that's true, what he didn't get was the way Latin American politics seems to work. I travel in Nicaragua once a year. In one election year, I saw election billboards everywhere. The winning guy branded himself as ¡Cristiano! ¡Socialista! on every single billboard. Christian socialist. Apparently that's the flag in which you must wrap yourself if you wish to hold office in Central America. Socialism is openly embraced in much of the latin world, and in fact the revolutionary armies of the 80's tended to be socialist groups such as the FSLN.
    The worst thing Obama's detractors cant seem to think of to call him is a socialist. His Christianity is well-known (unless your a bat shit conspiracy whack-job).
    To someone from Latin America, branding Obama as Christian Socialist coud easily QUALIFY him.

    "Take the victory and keep on marching"

    by SeattleProgressive on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 11:21:54 AM PST

  •  Election aftermath - Sandy refugees (1+ / 0-)
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    Greg Dworkin

    There are a whole lot of progressive democrats in the Occupy Sandy Relief effort, who may not call themselves progressive democrats (YET!). When we support them now, they may join us later.

    They are serving people whose lives have just been shattered. When they recover from this storm disaster, we can't let them learn that government's slow response here means that government should be small enough to drown in a bathtub.

    Red Cross sends a truckload of blankets to Occupy Sandy – NYTimes

    Occupy Sandy Relief started their main hub in the Rockaways with a solar powered generator from Greenpeace.  Before long, the National Guard was relying on OccupySandy to distribute food and water.  The slow motion Red Cross sent a truckload of blankets on Thursday night, 10 full days after the storm. But hey, late is better than not at all.

    Occupy Sandy's direct action, with their motto of "Solidarity, Not Charity" and their ability to organize boots on the ground, is breaking down walls that have been used to divide us. This is community organizing. It is apolitical and non-religious. Greenpeace, NY National Guard, and the Red Cross are now supporting Occupy Sandy along with a long list of local organizations.

  •  i have never like the premise of this question... (0+ / 0-)

    in this election cycle.

    First, despite a slim majority of voters thinking the country is on the wrong track, 54 percent approve of the way Obama is doing his job
    personally, i think the country is on the wrong track because i don't like the Republicans holding up the show in Congress, not because i think Obama is taking the country in the wrong direction.

    the question of right track/wrong track is faulty.  there is no ability for people to elaborate to why they think the country is on the wrong track with a simple 'yes' or 'no' question.  a lot of people, like me, would respond 'wrong track' and still vote for Obama.

    I'm a blue drop in a red bucket.

    by blue drop on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 02:52:10 PM PST

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