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I popped over to the other side to see what's going on, in the spirit of this quote (that I found there):

What the people in this country need is to realize that they can't turn to only one source of information for balanced coverage.
The post that caught my eye is titled Campaign Sources: The Romney Campaign was a Consultant Con Job.

The author dumps on Romney's consultants:

They say that the truth is the consultants essentially used the Romney campaign as a money making scheme, forcing employees to spin false data as truth in order to paint a rosy picture of a successful campaign as a form of job security.
They talk about ORCA, the Romney's campaign secret weapon, and compare it to Obama's campaign.
The Obama training manuals made ORCA look like a drunken monkey slapped together a powerpoint.
Jump into squiggle-ville for more.

Here's a juicy paragraph:

According to all the sources I spoke to, "the breakdown of the campaign can be traced to the primaries". One source saying "they looked at the guy who could raise the most money in history as a ride" adding that money no longer matters. That€™ is the problem,also referring to the campaign overall as the "biggest political flim flam of all time".
In my opinion, one crazy thing is, this is Romney's campaign and his core strength is his success as a businessman. How could a successful businessman run an operation like the one they are describing? I know Romney doesn't run it, but he chooses the campaign's directors. Romney is responsible. If his strengths as a businessman were going to save our country, why didn't his campaign show them off?

The comments are fun, also. Some of them are thoughtful and worth reading. Here's most of the first one:

Yet more evidence that we have been living in fantasyland for too long now. I don't want to hear that this is all Romney's fault, or all the campaign's fault. The simple fact is that in the run-up to this election, we were fed a steady diet of lies, from all our "loyal" sources. We need to hold not only the Romney campaign accountable, but also the conservative press (specifically the Murdoch press - Fox was the worst of the bunch), and the establishment talking heads like Karl Rove and Peggy Noonan. We need to get clear about something: these people are selling us a product. They have been taking our money and telling us bedtime stories. We complain about the MSM, but can we honestly say that the conservative press has been more honest?
That writer echos much of what we've said on Kos over the past years. I feel like what he says has been obvious to me, the liberal, forever.

Another commenter makes the same point I do above:

And his central campaign message was that he was a better manager than Obama.
Here's a response to that comment:
Bush gets full credit for Rove. Obama gets full credit for his (painfully competent) team of Messina/Axelrod/Plouffe. And Romney gets the full blame for not having the basic data, not knowing how to manage a modern enterprise software project (no QA? no on-site stress tests? holy crap), not knowing how to diversify his data sources to cross-check their validity, etc, etc. Color me disgusted.
That commenter gives credit to Obama for a highly competent campaign staff (Note to Sarah Palin, assuming you are reading this: This is what a community organizer does).

Here's a comment that makes me sad, as it's from someone who donated to a multi-millionaire, one that gave his campaign execs huges bonuses last summer:

I donated to the Romney campaign. Not much, but it was what a could afford. I think it came out to about $300. That's grocery money to feed my family. That's gas money to get my kids to school and for me to get to work. And this is how it was spent? To line the pockets of wealthy charlatans? Words can't describe how angry this makes me. And this "good man" allowed this to go on right under his nose. Mitt Romney owes me and a lot of other Americans a huge apology.
Finally, a humorous (to me) comment snippet:
Just because Fox does a better job than the other networks, don't be afraid to shout loud and clear when they also make mistakes. An informed electorate is the brick and mortar of democracy.
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  •  I went over and read that yesterday. (24+ / 0-)

    I had the same reaction  to the comments. I almost wanted to join, and provide them with a link to an article my cousin posted on Facebook:

    MUCH of the coverage of Tuesday’s results has focused on the strength of Barack Obama’s coalition — minorities, women and young voters. But that analysis misses the real point. The contours of the 2012 presidential race were shaped less by the country’s changing demographics than by the underlying attitudes and values of American voters, who are always far more complex than they appear to pollsters.

    The president’s victory was a triumph of vision, not of demographics. He won because he articulated a set of values that define an America that the majority of us wish to live in: A nation that makes the investments we need to strengthen and grow the middle class. A nation with a fair tax system, and affordable and excellent education for all its citizens. A nation that believes that we’re most prosperous when we recognize that we are all in it together.

    Values, Not Demographics, Won the Election

    But then I realized that it was an article at what they would certainly label the "liberal media" so they wouldn't believe it any way. And besides, they're fighting within themselves at making their Party smaller. Why would I want to stop them from doing that?

    President Obama won because he represented the values of America as it exists today. Republicans are longing for the America that President Obama quoted in the last debate:

    But Governor, when it comes to our foreign policy, you seem to want to import the foreign policies of the 1980s, just like the social policies of the 1950s and the economic policies of the 1920s.

    “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

    by hungrycoyote on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:41:28 PM PST

    •  There is no point to (13+ / 0-)

      trying to sell vision to the right.  They're seeing that that right wing news/entertainment complex sold them a bill of goods.  But that does not mean that they embrace the notion that government can do good.  As I keep repeating (and as the Obama campaign has  show), we don't win by persuading the right wing and the barely persuadable.  We win by encouraging those outside the political spectrum to participate in their democracy.  

      I find these diaries about the state of Red State America to  be typical waste of time from liberal Democrats trying to find some kernel of evidence that the far right is  having a revelatory moment. They are NOT.  They're not going to suddenly vote Democratic in 2014 even though they discover their standard bearers to be full of shit.  They don't buy our vision any more today than they did yesterday. As I say REPEATEDLY: YOu are not thejackass whisperer.

      Want to be effective for 2014? Follow the Obama campaign's example and go after soft Democratic leaning targets and get them to the polls.  It's a simple calculation of low hanging  fruit versus mission almost impossible .

      I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy. Twitter: @HawaiiDelilah

      by Delilah on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:57:23 PM PST

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      •  Yeah, I've pretty much figured that out. (7+ / 0-)

        You can talk yourself blue in your face, and it's just impossible. They live in a different universe. But I still find it fascinating to watch them talk in their own little bubble. I do a lot of eye rolling when I wander over there.

        “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

        by hungrycoyote on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:30:52 PM PST

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    •  Add to that last blockquote (1+ / 0-)
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      Since we're going back in 30-year increments:

      • The tax policies of the 1890s
      • The partisanship of the 1860s

      "Taxes are for the little people." Leona Helmsley (before she went to jail for taking that attitude a bit too far)

      by Land of Enchantment on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 07:44:59 AM PST

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  •  Great job. nt (4+ / 0-)
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    hungrycoyote, Lujane, nellgwen, Smoh

    After all is said and done, a lot more is said than done.

    by Brahman Colorado on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:46:19 PM PST

  •  Are we gonna get these guys again in two years? (4+ / 0-)
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    Lujane, nellgwen, Bush Bites, Smoh

    “I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter.” –Blaise Pascal

    by dskoe on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:50:54 PM PST

    •  Don't know. (1+ / 0-)
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      Does Rince Penis get fired for this or do they keep the evil little moron?

      Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

      by Bush Bites on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 12:49:56 AM PST

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      •  I think of him (3+ / 0-)
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        ... as "Rancid" Priebus.  That's not very nice, but then neither is he.  The sad truth about 2010 is that it's our side's fault.  Nobody put out the effort to GOTV, and way too many from our electoral allies stayed home, particularly young voters.  It cost us dearly, because that cohort of legislators got to control redistricting in many states, and that hurt us, too.

        "Taxes are for the little people." Leona Helmsley (before she went to jail for taking that attitude a bit too far)

        by Land of Enchantment on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 07:48:43 AM PST

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  •  As an avid RW site lurker, I HOPE they are (15+ / 0-)

    learning something and the odd comment here and there, like the ones you cite here, are cause for optimism that at least a few people are becoming aware of the bubble they've trapped themselves in.

    But my wider travels in wingnutland don't give me much hope. Over at Hot Air and Ace of Spades, far more trafficked RW sites, they hopped straight back into the bubble on Day 2 after only a day of introspection. They rent their garments a bit, then got right back on crazy train. They are there now, citing Fox conspiracies and Rush's BS of the day as gospel truth. It was incredible to see reality dawn that they'd been lied to, then watch them almost immediately crawl back into the safety of Daddy's big propaganda arms.

    We are going to have to kick these people's electoral asses a few more times to get the message through their thick heads: America does not want to buy what they are peddling.

    By the way, if the teabaggers hold any sway anymore, most of them are saying to drop obstructionism and give Dems exactly what they want (raising taxes on the rich, an immigration solution, etc.) so they can say it isn't their fault when things inevitably "crash and burn." That works for me. Hope you're listening to your constituents, Mr. Boehner.

  •  its eerie how much they sound like us sometimes (3+ / 0-)
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    Lujane, nellgwen, Stude Dude

    the "evil" dailykos :)

  •  Mitt's per-employee costs were very high... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...compared to Obama's.

    It was obvious some guys were milking Mitt's campaign for big bucks.

    And, don't buy that "businessman" stuff -- they're usually the biggest suckers.

    Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

    by Bush Bites on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 12:35:50 AM PST

  •  Welcome to capitalism, Sonny. (0+ / 0-)
    Not much, but it was what a could afford. I think it came out to about $300. That's grocery money to feed my family. That's gas money to get my kids to school and for me to get to work. And this is how it was spent? To line the pockets of wealthy charlatans?

    Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

    by Bush Bites on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 12:39:30 AM PST

  •  It's the corporatism, stupid! (1+ / 0-)
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    If any of this is true, the answer to the question of why this campaign was "managed" this way is starring everyone in the face:

    Because it was brought to you by the very people who gave us the "call center" in India. And we all know how well that has worked out for us.

    Unfettering capitalism in these people's mind means an 18th and 19th century that never existed. They never stop to look at what this ideology means in the context of what actually exists right now: multinational corporatism: with a track record of "efficiency" on par with the old Soviet Union.

    Most of the people posting on Red State do not materially (I.e. in their own, actual lives, which often depend on government in innumerable ways) believe what they say. The real struggle is to teach them that. Or to otherwise expose it.

  •  i've always believed, (3+ / 0-)
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    Gowrie Gal, lesliet, ricklewsive

    whether the folks on the right were aware of it or not, that we were (and are) up against the same enemy.

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 01:43:48 AM PST

  •  I literally do not believe some of those comments (1+ / 0-)
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    ...were written by actual conservatives. I do not dismiss the existence of intelligent life on the other side of the aisle, but there's not a lot of it at RedState aside from its biggest point of commonality with this site: trolls. In skirting RedState insanity and the Poe Paradox they don't have a lot of room to maneuver, but some of the comments quoted had that aroma, at least to me.

    I visit from time to time conservative sites with (some) smart and sane conservative commenters, with whom I have usually little in common but can at least respect, but I cannot at this moment call any such sites to mind that have a tie as close and explicit to the Republican Party as that built into RedState.

    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
    --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

    by leftist vegetarian patriot on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 08:04:17 AM PST

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