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 Appears ready to take his election challenge all the way to Scalia.

  Oh c'mon Allen get off the government tit. The gig is up. No more government check. Go into the private sector and see what you can do.

  I wonder if his representative's government check was supplemented by ex-military benefits or pension.

  Holy Allah. West is one of Romney's 47 percent.



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Comment Preferences

  •  He can make more money (9+ / 0-)

    out of Congress.

    Right wing welfare will take care of him.

  •  Well (5+ / 0-)
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    nupstateny, Lujane, mookins, crose, rmx2630

     Very true. Become a FOX, talk radio, or tea party pimp.

  •  Who's Paying For All This Nonsense? (3+ / 0-)

    The taxpayers of Florida?  I completely expected this from Allen.  The last two years were the big time for this guy, especially after he was almost frog marched out of the military.

    This was his shot.  Obviously, he's not going to go away easy.  

  •  Will Scalia see him as a freak or a fellow patriot (5+ / 0-)

    ???  Awfully hard to say where Scalia's bubble ends and the Even-Too-Crazy-For-Scalia regions begin.

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 03:02:43 PM PST

    •  The answer to that question.... (2+ / 0-)
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      Bob Love, Lujane so far off in Wingnuttistan as to be, well, unfathomable.

      I mean, "Even-Too-Crazy-For-Scalia regions" -- not sure that's on Earth anymore?

      All the children of your children's children, do you ever think what they're going to find? Make tomorrow, today...

      by willy mugobeer on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 03:06:16 PM PST

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  •  what? (2+ / 0-)
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    Lujane, crose

    judicial activism to step in on a race in florida???!! crazy talk

    •  I just spoke to him, and Allen West sends (5+ / 0-)

      "you people" a message. He says, "No, no! Don't make me go back to the private sector, where they can fire me just like that if I say crazy stuff. Don't make me go back to paying higher healthcare premiums. I like coverage for dental and vision at a very low cost. I like perks, & Koch money! I like being on tv and being asked for my opinion, even though I'm unworthy. I don't wanna leave. Alright you bums, I'll go. Just give me 3 or 4 more chances to appeal. Five, tops. But just remember, government never created 1 job! You didn't build that! Karl Rove told me I was a shoe-in. 'Landslide,' he said. What happened?"

      BTW, can somebody tell me how in the hell Palin managed her transition? Thank God for Obamacare, cuz I've got a hell of a pre-existing condition. It's mental, you wouldn't understand.  -- Luv, Allen West

  •  It's The Eternal Republican Paradox (2+ / 0-)
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    ConfusedSkyes, crose

     That West exemplifies. I hate government, but I want to BE the government.

      Kiss our butts.

  •  General Jack Ripper of "precious bodily fluids" .. (1+ / 0-)
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    People think I'm joking when I compare him with West.

    They make movies about this kind of crazy.

  •  Yes, West has a military pension. (16+ / 0-)

    First, let's calculate his pension.  West entered active duty in 1983 and "retired" in 2004, giving him 21 years credit for his pension.  

    I retired in 1995 and have not kept up with the current method of calculating pensions -- may have been different in 2004.  When I retired, military personnel qualified for a pension after 20 years of service.  My pension was calculated on the formula:

    2.5 percent x even number of years served.  

    So -- West had 21 years or service -- "over 20" in Army jargon.  Thus, his pension was 2.5 percent x 20 = 50 percent of his current base pay.

    West retired as a lieutenant colonel (O5 -- Officer pay grade 5) with over 20 years of service.

    According to a 2004 military pay scale, West's pay when he left the military was $6,563.40 per month/$78,760.80 per year.   Thus, West would have retired at 50 percent of $78,760.80 per year, or, $39,380.40 per year.  He's receiving that pension plus occasional annual increases.

    In addition, he has the following benefits:
    -- unrestricted use of military exchanges and commissaries
    -- covered by military retiree health insurance -- TriCare, for which he pays a modest premium
    -- treatment in military hospitals
    -- TriCare pharmacy benefit (which is a GOOD benefit, believe me)
    -- lodging in motels on military bases
    -- space available travel on military aircraft
    -- and other bennies

    Now, let's deal with West's "retirement."

    The Wikipedia article on West lays out the details of how he left the service.  The wiki article is couched in officialese.  This is the real story.

    -- All military personnel are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), which is similar to civilian law except that it has a number of provisions unique to the military (failure to obey an order, adultery, actions prejudicial to good order and discipline, and the like).

    -- Under the UCMJ, an individual can be (1) tried by court-martial, or, (2) in the case of minor offenses, accept "non-judicial punishment (under Article 15, UCMJ, hence the term "an Article 15.")

    -- Article 15 punishment generally is for minor offenses.  
    When I was a company commander, if one of my soldiers did something stupid that violated an article of the UCMJ -- late for formation, late to report for duty, shot off his mouth at his sergeant, broke driving regulations, etc. -- I had to decide whether to subject him to a court-martial (which is a federal court), or, slap his wrist.  With an Article 15, I could fine him, restrict him to base, put him on extra duty, or other punishments to get his attention.

    The Article 15 gives the commander leeway to decide if a soldier did something really, really bad, or, if the soldier needs punishment that will not end his career.

    An Article 15 for an officer of West's rank -- lieutenant colonel -- is a career-ender.  I served 28 years; I retired at a rank higher than West's; and, I administered discipline to officers under my command.  From my experience, West accepted an Article 15 and took retirement in lieu of a court-martial -- he got off easy.

    West and his attorney likely understood that he would be found guilty in a court-martial.  His sentence likely would have included his being stripped of his pension and retirement, plus serving prison time.  

    The Army offered West an Article 15 and retirement in lieu of a court-martial to avoid the hassle of a court-martial.  He took the deal and left, knowing he escaped by the skin of his teeth.

    I don't know West and don't know anyone who does.  However, in view of the actions that caused him to be booted out of the Army, and in view of his public remarks since he was elected to Congress, I have to say I've known a few officers like West -- blowhard, self-promoting, hard-headed -- I'm glad he's no longer in my Army.    And I'm even happier he's no longer in Congress.

    •  Thanks! He still believes he is (1+ / 0-)
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      entitled despite being kicked out of both of his government jobs.  

      When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 05:04:20 PM PST

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    •  I suspect you're right (0+ / 0-)

      Retired Air Force/ANG O-5 here.

      A courts martial for a Lt. Colonel requires a general officer to preside.

      Since generals tend to have better things to do with their time I suspect they offered him the Article 15 to avoid the hassle of a courts martial.

  •  He's going to end up in a clocktower and won't (0+ / 0-)

    come down until Ailes himself inks him a 3-hour drive time deal with renewal rights.

    Over/under starts at 30 days...minimum required duration for a Discovery Channel special with a Lifetime movie option.

    It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

    by Murphoney on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 04:52:50 PM PST

  •  Send him back to Iraq... (2+ / 0-)
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    msmacgyver, Buckeye54

    Send him back to Iraq...with nothing but a T-Shirt with George Bush on the front...and of course his Bible.

    Let him be a street preacher in a traffic circle in the middle of Baghdad.

    Oaths and alleginaces only become valid after being tested in adverstity.

    by Nur Alia Chang on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 04:54:23 PM PST

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