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Well, General Petraeus pretty much guaranteed us we'd have stuff to talk about today, but before we got into that nonsense, we had a visit from Greg Dworkin, and an opportunity to talk about the hottest topic among at least some parts of Very Serious circles: "epistemic closure." Yes, the Traditional Media is very concerned that Republicans closed themselves off from reality in insisting Romney was going to win. But didn't they have their own problem in closing themselves off from reality in insisting that the numbers didn't show what they in fact did show? From there, it was on to the craziness of the Petraeus story, the even crazier craziness of the volume of email involved, and the even crazier craziness than that: the shirtless Teabagger FBI agent at the center of it all. Your surveillance state national security team, ladies and gentlemen. And as always, a few of the kind of sidebar discussions that make the show what it is. What do I mean? Tune in and find out!

Oh, hey, not only did we crack the Top 100 List on Stitcher, we shot all the way up to number 63! And we're number 22 in the News & Politics category. Thanks, everybody!

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  •  Great show today (3+ / 0-)

    Tweet it out.

  •  Love how every single person involved (4+ / 0-)
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    kestrel9000, shinobi9, bronte17, kickbass

    is a Republican - but Fox keeps trying to make it an indictment on the President.  

  •  DAT TITLE ahahahahahahahahahahaha XD (4+ / 0-)

    "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

    by TheHalfrican on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:29:34 AM PST

  •  regarding Friday the 13th ... (0+ / 0-)

    For what it's worth, one theory I read several years ago was related to the KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. As the story goes:

    The King of France, Phillip IV, needed some funds, because his coiffeurs were running low , and the Knights Templar (KT) were rather wealthy, and further, they were pissing off a lot of people, due to their power, and the fact that they were only beholden / answerable to the Pope, but I guess they also had pissed off the pope. So anyway, the King devised a plan, which apparently he had used several years before on the Jews in his country. Basically it was this: He needed to seize their wealth across the nation on the same day, without any of them finding out, (remember, no cell phones back then) because if they had foreknowledge, they would disappear with their wealth. So, the King sent out hundreds of sealed envelops (with the King's seal) to sheriffs cross the nation with explicit instructions not to break the seal and read the contents until the eve of a certain date ... and the contents contained instructions to arrest the KT and seize their wealth... and that date was, allegedly, Thursday, October 12th (13th century) @12 midnight ... so the arrests took place on Friday the 13th. 

    A footnote: allegedly, the KT had a fleet of 20 to 25 ships, but when they went to the harbor to seize them, they were gone and never to be heard from again.

    True or not? Not sure, but it does make for a good story. 

  •  I love DailyKos and the Internet, because here I (0+ / 0-)

    sit, in Washington State, listening to the #kitm show via my laptop (Congrats! on reaching #22!) while I read the extraordinarily GREAT advice that Robert Reich has for President Obama on any "Grand Bargain" discussion AND check up on my TwitterFeed.

    Technology - I ♥ you!

    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization" -- me

    by Angie in WA State on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:43:44 AM PST

  •  White House Petition Question (0+ / 0-)

    Apparently when a petition reaches 25,000 signature the White House will respond. What about starting some of our own with them? We could make our feeling known enmass on "The Cliff", The Grand Bargain", Erskine Bowles at Treasury, etc.

    Warren is neither a Clintonesque triangulator nor an Obamaesque conciliator. She is a throwback to a more combative progressive tradition, and her candidacy is a test of whether that approach can still appeal to voters.-J. Toobin "New Yorker"

    by chuck utzman on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 12:19:19 PM PST

    •  Oh, absolutely. (0+ / 0-)

      I think some folks have already started similar ones.

      I don't think it's a hugely valuable exercise, in the end. But that's about the right rate of return for something so painless. So why not?

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