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It's starting to look like there's some coalition of chain restaurant executives and franchise owners that was just waiting until President Barack Obama was reelected to start coming out, one by one, and announcing the ways they'd be screwing over their workers in response to the outrage of having to provide full-time workers with health care starting in 2014. The big question, to me, is whether this roll-out is cooperative or competitive? Did they agree on a timetable and division of labor to get their war on workers the most possible attention, or are they trying to one-up each other?

The latest is John Metz, who is the franchisor of 48 Hurricane Grill & Wings restaurants and owns 40 Denny's and some Dairy Queen franchises. He's broken a new barrier in trying to make people afraid of the added costs of insuring workers, too: Where Papa John's CEO John Schnatter claimed he'd have to pass along 10 to 14 cents per pizza in added costs, Metz is saying he'll add a percentage surcharge:

"If I leave the prices the same, but say on the menu that there is a 5 percent surcharge for Obamacare, customers have two choices. They can either pay it and tip 15 or 20 percent, or if they really feel so inclined, they can reduce the amount of tip they give to the server, who is the primary beneficiary of Obamacare," Metz told The Huffington Post. "Although it may sound terrible that I'm doing this, it's the only alternative. I've got to pass the cost on to the consumer."
Schnatter was already exaggerating the costs he'd be passing along to consumers if this was actually about the cost of health coverage, but even his claims were more like 1 percent of the actual food cost. Metz's 5 percent is a ridiculous inflation of what insuring his workers would actually cost him.

In addition to adding that surcharge because of all the money he's supposedly going to be paying to insure his workers, Metz is also going to cut their hours so they don't qualify for insurance anyway. Huh? He's going to add a surcharge to cover the insurance he's going to avoid offering?

Metz said he will take the extra step of adding a surcharge because he believes the law will eventually expand to include penalties for not covering full-time equivalent employees.
He's adding the surcharge for the insurance he'll cut his workers' hours to avoid offering because someday the law might catch up with his dodge?

No doubt people like Metz and Schnatter want to avoid any hit, however minor, to their own bank accounts. But this is about so much more than that—the actual costs Metz and Schnatter would face are minuscule compared with the level of their outrage, and, as Forbes' Rick Ungar writes,

Certainly, this is not the first time a new cost item has resulted in a small increase in the price of Mr. Schnatter’s product. However, I strongly suspect that it is the first time he has chosen to politicize a cost increase to make an ideological point.
No, this is about class war. If more low-wage workers have health coverage, they're just that little extra bit less desperate and less easily exploited. (Desperation is also good for another kind of business Metz has owned: pawn shops.) This is about keeping power, more so than money, in the hands of the 1 percent.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 12:23 PM PST.

Also republished by In Support of Labor and Unions and Daily Kos.

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  •  Just another little piggy with his nose (14+ / 0-)

    in the trough.  Ain't gonna share with no one.

    •  just another place I won't go (6+ / 0-)

      there still are good places to eat. If all else fails I shall go camping and lite a campfire.

      A danger foreseen is half avoided.

      by ncheyenne on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 12:48:33 PM PST

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      •  Just another POS (3+ / 0-)
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        ingearmike, Candide08, CwV

        that I'd love to have 5 minutes alone with.  

      •  Down with franchise fast food! (3+ / 0-)
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        avamontez, ems97206, coffejoe

        I have to admit that the only thing I like about fast-food franchise restaurants is that it's usually possible to slip into the restroom when I'm out walking.

        Denny's?  Dairy Queen?  I can't imagine eating there. If a price increase (and Schnatter's ill-mannered way of applying it) cause people to opt for the family-run taqueria down the street, that's a win.  And if his poor treatment of his employees causes them to unionize or look for other work, or open their own businesses, that's a win.

        •  I agree - which is why I tell the manager (2+ / 0-)
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          yoduuuh do or do not, coffejoe

          of the local Hispanic grocer where I shop lately that I am trying to keep the money in the neighborhood.

          He REALLY appreciated that.

          Let me explain the order of things to you. There's the aristocracy, the upper class, the middle class, working class, dumb animals, waiters, creeping things, head lice, people who eat packet soup, then you. -- Gareth Blackstock, Chef!

          by avamontez on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:18:17 PM PST

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        •  Simple rule: (0+ / 0-)

          look for the funky sign.
          Mom&Pop don't usually go for the Corporate/Slick signage. Their stores and restaurants are marked with locally made signs. The name is not familiar (from every other strip mall across the entire country) and often the sign is hand painted on the front surface (not backlit plex or neon in cans).
          And granted, once in a while, by this method, you may end up with a lousy meal or grumpy service.
          But that's low probability.
          The high probability is that you get exquisite meals and personal service, by the owners or their kids and you will be leaving your money in the community rather than sending all the margin and most of the procurement out to absentee landlords.
          A few years ago, travelling through Indiana, I had to overnight in Greencastle. Not much happening there after 8pm. My cousin and I wandered around until we found a place at the far end of an alley called "Mama Nunn's". Big, hand painted letters on a 4X8 sheet of plywood, lit by two floodlights.
          There were very few other customers.
          And the meal was EXCELLENT, hand made, cooked to order by Mama herself.
          Can't beat that.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 06:31:37 AM PST

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      •  I go to Denny's once in a very long while. (3+ / 0-)
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        floundericiousMI, coffejoe, CwV

        I don't know where this guy's franchises are, but if I see that on the menu, I think I'll just contribute five dollars to the waiter directly and then walk out of the restaurant without buying anything.

    •  These owners clearly want to politicize the.. (11+ / 0-)

      re-election of the President.  

      They could just pass along costs to customers without comment.  They could reduce hours, layoff workers, or terminate them, all without a mention.

      But no, they want to make a point.  A painful, extortion-filled point.  They are saying, "You see?  You see what happens when you don't do what's good for me?  You suffer.  If I suffer, you suffer."  And that's the word they use, too - suffer.

      It's vicious.  It's heinous.  It's extortion and retribution.

      And they want to reiterate that they are in charge and we are not.

      •  I feel so sorry for their workers.... (6+ / 0-)

        ....I can't fathom having to work for those assclowns. I hope these jerks all go out of business. Other restaurants will open, hopefully better ones. It's not like any of these places serve good food anyway.

      •  They're not in charge though. (7+ / 0-)

        They may want you to think they are, but they aren't.  There is no shortage of restaurants out there.  Every bit of the market they surrender to make a political point, someone else will soak up.  

        For people who are always extolling the virtues of the free market, they seem to forget how it works quite often.  They don't have a monopoly.  There are plenty of restaurants -- many run by far smarter individuals who know better than to mix politics into a customer service business.    

      •  They're grasping for a scapegoat. (1+ / 0-)
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        The days of happy motoring and eating out all the time are behind us. Anyone who's been in business any length of time sees the decline. Right wing trogs like this POS will never admit we're in decline because of rising energy costs, accumulated environmental damage, and the wasteful systems (transportation, sewage disposal, education, industrial agriculture, criminal justice, you name it, it's f'd up) we've implemented coming to a crashing halt without continual subsidy. They would much rather blame the black guy. But they know damn well that business isn't what it used to be, and they're starting to realize that while it might tick up for awhile, it's not ever coming back. They are making their escape plans and it will be very convenient to blame ACA when they shutter their stores and scurry off to their off shore tax havens. One last FU to the working folks who will have to stay here and work it out.

        Our non-negotiable way of life is starting to slip behind us. Even most of the elected Dems won't admit this. Progressives are asking for fairer taxes and military cuts so that we can invest in prosperity. The reality is that we'll be trying to claw back enough of the loot the 0.01% have absconded with so as to avoid total collapse. and it may already be too late. Occupy Sandy is the model we'll be needing to emulate all over the country.

        William O. Douglas- “I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all.”

        by WaltK on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 11:59:13 PM PST

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    •  Laura, are you stupid? (0+ / 0-)

      Do you not understand companies are going to have to pay a $2000 tax/penalty on every employee after 30 if they do not insure their workers?

      Obama already signed the law into existence.

  •  Like I said in another thread, why do (23+ / 0-)

    they want to shine a light on their crappy way they treat their employees. Seems self-defeating. Most people don't realize how bad most food service people have it, but they will now.

    It's not just the Obamacare.

    "Drudge: soundslike sludge, islike sewage."
    (-7.25, -6.72)

    by gougef on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 12:28:19 PM PST

  •  So,The War Against Workers continues. (6+ / 0-)

    Now in plainerview.

    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 12:29:51 PM PST

  •  STRIKE. Sit down and refuse to leave. (6+ / 0-)

    If the police come in to haul you away, go peacefully.  After you are released, go back to the store and sit down in all the booths and tables and order water until they have to call the police to get you out again.

    Keep doing this in tandem with other supporters until you drive the place out of business or the owners finally cave.

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 12:35:03 PM PST

    •  Liberals should go to these establishments, (0+ / 0-)

      and take up all the tables for several weeks in a row, if necessary.
       They should only order the cheapest thing on the menu, but stay for hours.
      They should leave massive tips, but spend the least amount possible on the actual food.
      They should leave flyers explaining why they're doing this.

      If the restaurants go out of business, others will spring up to take their place, hopefully with better-quality food.

  •  Basic question (9+ / 0-)

    Do those guys believe they own their customers ?

    I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

    by Farugia on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 12:38:17 PM PST

  •  The two choices are: (6+ / 0-)
    "customers have two choices."
    Do I patronize this assholes establishment or not. In my case he would never have a chance to "surcharge" me as I would never enter the door.

    "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

    by gritsngumbo on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 12:40:41 PM PST

  •  Weaksauce profit motive (6+ / 0-)

    Clearly just looking for excuses to jack up their prices for no good reason.

    Moving forward, consider the Congressional Progressive Caucus' Deal for All as a solution to the lame-duck budget and sequestration crisis. Democrats won, now use that!

    by tytalus on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 12:41:00 PM PST

  •  Stop by one of his "restaurants" and (10+ / 0-)

    go around and tip all of the staff - then leave.

    Don't buy any of his food!  Just tip and go ;)

    BTW, I always tip 20% unless the service is awful.

  •  A standing blog or a new liberal 'ap' (2+ / 0-)
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    Lucy West, splashy

    to remind us of who to turn our backs on when we shop, go out to eat or play would be extremely welcome.  I would put entire states on that list, too, excepting cities within those states that are blue, such as Austin, Tuscon, etc.

    Time to hurt these bastards in the only place they understand - their bottom line. I'm doing it every day.  If we all did it, it might make a difference.

  •  boycott !! of course. We need a list (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm sure this has come up but I'm internet limited in the extreme. We need a list of all clowns who are making these statements. Obviously it's hard to go after the coal guy but all the restaurants should know that, regardless of temporary wing nut support, they're losing $$ permanently from what, with a little meme pushing, could be scary amount of their potential customers (as counted 2012 style with Facebook likes and online petitions)

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 12:49:53 PM PST

  •  And I bet when the price of butter goes up... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... he adds a "butter surcharge" to the menu, too.

  •  And there is this: (3+ / 0-)
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    S F Hippie, splashy, CuriousBoston

    Papa Johns, Dennys, and Applebees have shown they don't give a shit about the health of their workers who are handling your food--boycott them all.

    There is no such thing as an off year election. Every election effects each other. We need to work as hard in 2014 as we did in 2012.

    by pollbuster on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 12:51:00 PM PST

  •  It's good that these guys own the only restaurants (4+ / 0-)
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    Over the Edge, Pandora, ColoTim, splashy

    ... in town and that customers can't vote with their feet and their wallets!

  •  They're looking for some of that Chik-Fil-A magic (6+ / 0-)

    to rub off on them.  They're hoping that wingnuts will flock to their doors in support of their "principled" positions.  

    The difference is that Chick-Fil-A's customers couldn't picture themselves as gay, so they could show their support without reflecting on how it might affect someone like them.  These Randian assholes are beating up on everyday working people - a group that their customer base is much more likely to relate to.

    •  shortsighted (5+ / 0-)

      64 million people voted for O, you can double that number at least when including family and friends, that's a lot of lost meals.

      guess we can have blue restaurant chains and red restaurant chanins.

      mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

      by wewantthetruth on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 01:03:24 PM PST

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      •  Or at least red and non-partisan ones (2+ / 0-)
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        Tfill, TKO333

        There are probably plenty of personally conservative restaurant owners who would rather just run their businesses and not alienate liberal customers.

        Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02. "You're damn right we're making a difference!" - Senator-Elect Tammy Baldwin (D-Madison)

        by fearlessfred14 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:30:12 PM PST

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      •  Well unfortunately the restaurants employ tons (2+ / 0-)
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        Tfill, ems97206

        of college students and single moms etc and those are the ones who will be hurt by nationwide boycotts.  

        This is just a sad commentary on this whole industry that pays 2.01 an hour as it is.  I suspect, eventually, most restaurants and fast food chains are going to be mouthing off about this because they don't want to pay one more cent than they have to...when they literally barely pay them now.

        •  Boycotts do not mean $.............. (4+ / 0-)

          are not spent. They are just spent in another establishment that chooses to not politicize its business practices; ergo; the demand for workers shifts from one store to another. It may not be instantaneous but it will happen.

          As I said in another diary shifting pizza purchasing power from Pappa John's to local Mom and Pop stores may actually increase the number of jobs available. PJ's has pizza making and distribution down to a science; local stores are not nearly as efficient and may require 1.5 to 2 employees to crank out the same number of pies as 1 PJ's employee.

          The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

          by cazcee on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 06:10:14 PM PST

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    •  Chick fil A was a loser (4+ / 0-)

      Despite winger support, their revenues fell until they revised their public stance.  Owners need to realize wingers don't spend money; Libruls do

      •  More to the point, both sides spend money, and (1+ / 0-)
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        it's stoopid to alienate half the public unnecessarily.  

      •  Actually you do have something there (0+ / 0-)

        Since the right wingers tend to be more penny pinchers, and less likely to do things like eat out because they aren't as much into having fun.

        Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

        by splashy on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 06:06:36 PM PST

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        •  fun is sinful (0+ / 0-)

          heck, these folks refuse to enjoy even sex

        •  Wow... (0+ / 0-)

          ...that's a pretty broad brush.

          If, as you imply, right wingers don't eat out as much as the general population, why would you assume that's because they aren't into "having fun". Maybe they are, oh, saving for their retirement, paying their bills, contributing to their local community via their church or other local charities. Or, maybe they have jobs and families and don't have time to eat out much. Or, maybe they consider spending time with their families camping, hunting, or at Little League to be "fun" and generally eat primarily for nutrition rather than fun.

          I have no idea if your assertion about them eating out less is true. But your speculation on why is even less well supported.

          •  In my experience, they are more inclined to be (0+ / 0-)

            Penny pinchers. Do you disagree with that?

            Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

            by splashy on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 10:49:42 PM PST

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    •  Not only that, but the eewwwww factor (5+ / 0-)

      Could kick in, in that many will realize that the food servers could be sick and passing on diseases because the management denies them health insurance.

      I know that when I worked in food service, health care was not offered. I didn't think much of it at the time, but I bet I passed on the flu or other things a time or two when I worked when sick.

      Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

      by splashy on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 06:05:28 PM PST

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  •  Just add a couple more place to the list of place (2+ / 0-)
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    Wendys Wink, CuriousBoston

    that my wife and I will not eat out at. Actually we fine the restaurants that are not chains are a much better place to eat. We use to eat out at the chains but with all the BS they are pulling we have been going to other places and the other places are better. I guess those idiots that are run there mouth have lost us for good. So thanks for running your big mouths we now get better food at a better price. Keep it up and see just how long you last!

  •  actually his HCR costs should drop (2+ / 0-)
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    c, Losty

    because now I suspect his workers either go bare and rack up huge medical bills that are never paid or else have MCD.  The indirect costs to him for unreimbursed care
    + MCD should exceed whatever direct costs he will see from the ACA,

    Since few wingers understand indirect costs (bet this guy does not have sick days so sick employees do not have a direct impact on bottom line though he may lose efficiency due to absenteeism), this guy does not understand indirect savings will offset his immediate direct costs

  •  i guess they all 'got the memo'. (2+ / 0-)
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    splashy, CuriousBoston

    OK, someone smart person (rachael maddow, The New Yorker, etc) has to drill down into this, and expose it, right away. We have to totally get out in front of this and expose it for being the bullshit that it is. It's obviously organized, they all got a 'memo', they think they are being very clever, and it's total crap.
    It's one of those things you can see really having 'legs' like 'death panels', etc, and it really needs to be countered and exposed.

  •  You said it better than I did. ;) (0+ / 0-)

    "Let us never forget that doing the impossible is the history of this nation....It's how we are as Americans...It's how this country was built"- Michelle Obama

    by blueoregon on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 01:28:38 PM PST

  •  Most of these guys sell food that is deadly. (1+ / 0-)
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    When people stop going to their shops, the nation's health care bill will go down.


    "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

    by greendem on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 01:33:36 PM PST

    •  i don't touch any of this 'chain' crap (4+ / 0-)
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      greendem, Losty, Bronx59, CuriousBoston

      i've lived in NYC for 25 yrs, so there aren't a lot of these places here anyway. but when i go out into 'america' i see these places proliferating in strip malls, and it doesn't look at all like the america i grew up in (i grew up in eastern mass in the 60, 70s). strip malls, big box stores, chain 'family' restaurants, children growing up on 'chicken nuggets': all very alien to me. i can also remember that, when i was little, it was very very rare to see a morbidly obese person. and when you saw one, my mother would pull us aside, and say in hushed tones that we 'shouldn't stare, the person has a medical condition, and it's sad', like seeing someone with one leg or something. i'm not exaggerating. it was unusual.

      •  2000 mg of sodium per plate (3+ / 0-)
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        kpardue, flavor411, ems97206

        Pour two teaspoons of salt on your plate. That's how much salt is in the food you buy at a chain restaurant.

        i just baptized andrew breitbart into the church of islam, planned parenthood, the girl scouts and three teachers unions. - @blainecapatch

        by bobinson on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:22:52 PM PST

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      •  "Suburban blight" (1+ / 0-)
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        Wal-Mart, for instance, seems to allow their buildings a 10 - 12 year life span before they build a new store nearby. The vacant one sits for sale or rent for several years.

        "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

        by CFAmick on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 06:58:45 PM PST

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        •  Driving in Florida, the same chains constantly (2+ / 0-)
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          avamontez, ems97206

          From Gainesville through Orlando to Tampa and Miami, on the main drag, it is a constant repetition of the same restaurants at every intersection (KFC, McDonalds, Applebees, Wendy's, etc) with no local restaurants on the main roads.

          It was like the twilight zone, driving day after day from north to south, and every intersection looked the same.  I could not tell if I was in Gainesville or Orlando or Tallahassee, because everything looked exactly identical.   It was nothing but concrete, gas stations, and chain restaurants for hundreds of miles.   Jeb Bush's legacy was ... cement!

          •  I suppose I'm fortunate in that regard (0+ / 0-)

            I live in a metro area that's the same size as thirty years ago, while the US as a whole is 38% more populous. Most of the growth here has occurred in a small area. It's not endless malls and commercials development; it's essentially one heavily traveled four lane highway that stretches for five miles. There's not even a Chili's!  

            "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

            by CFAmick on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:18:02 PM PST

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  •  They just all happen to be doing it???? (4+ / 0-)
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    Lucy West, splashy, Bronx59, CuriousBoston

    This isn't like some sort of coordinated ALEC-sponsored concerted effort, complete with highly paid media relations people and a uniform list of talking points, right? I mean, all these franchise owners just happened to come up with this idea on their own?

    And Karl Rove has nothing whatsoever to do with it, right? Or all the people who last year (heck, last month) were vowing that their first action in office would be to abolish Obamacare? And that it's going to bankrupt us all?

    It's getting tiresome having diary after diary, news report after news report, of one restaurant owner after another. What I'd really like to see is a good conspiracy / lobbying story.

    •  yeah, like i said... (2+ / 0-)
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      Bronx59, CuriousBoston

      they all 'got the memo'... someone needs to dig into it. it's bullshit, and it's not just 'spontaneous', like they all just happened to be doing it.

    •  It's probably a loose conspiracy (2+ / 0-)
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      Gneissguy, yoduuuh do or do not

      I doubt that they all went to some convention and drew up a strategy ALEC-style, but these people do talk to each other. No doubt they and others we have yet to find out about have been at fancy dinners bitching about how horrible Obamacare is and how us commoners need to understand it. Or how they need to somehow "go Galt" to punish us ingrates for turning the government "communist". So they hardly have to conspire. Not that none of them are involved in conspiracies.

      Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02. "You're damn right we're making a difference!" - Senator-Elect Tammy Baldwin (D-Madison)

      by fearlessfred14 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:52:28 PM PST

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    •  Agree. n/t (0+ / 0-)

      Let me explain the order of things to you. There's the aristocracy, the upper class, the middle class, working class, dumb animals, waiters, creeping things, head lice, people who eat packet soup, then you. -- Gareth Blackstock, Chef!

      by avamontez on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:27:44 PM PST

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  •  They can't outsource (2+ / 0-)
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    MaikeH, CuriousBoston

    and their greed and rapaciousness makes them dependent on having a poor, downtrodden, desperate workforce.  Obama giving them healthcare and saying they will always be able to get it makes it easier to walk away from people like the papa johns doucherocket.  Means they aren't so desperate and won't be willing to work for so little and be treated like garbage.  Means they might begin standing up for themselves in other areas too. The Greedy Bastards can't have that.

    That passed by; this can, too. - Deor

    by stevie avebury on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 02:06:59 PM PST

  •  An excellent reason health care (2+ / 0-)
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    Bronx59, CuriousBoston

    shouldn't be tied to employment.

  •  They do dearly like to dominate workers (8+ / 0-)

    It's like they live for that. Power drives up their testosterone, making them feel reallllly good.

    No thought about how it hurts others.

    Personally, I'm glad these guys are speaking out. Gives me a list of which restaurants are not really safe to go to, since their workers are not getting paid enough and can't get health care.

    There are too many food service workers doing without health care.

    Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

    by splashy on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 05:59:47 PM PST

  •  People, you need to take him seriously on this. (4+ / 0-)

    He will pee on the food if his demands aren't met.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:16:55 PM PST

    •  I know, right? (1+ / 0-)
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      Does he really want to advertise how tightly he squeezes costs?  "come spend forty dollars for dinner in a place that's too cheap to throw out expired ingredients."

      It's been a hundred years, isn't it time we stopped blaming Captain Smith for sinking the Titanic?

      by happymisanthropy on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:28:09 PM PST

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  •  The one and only time I went to DQ was w/ my (1+ / 0-)
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    friend, and we both found long strands of hair baked into our waffle cones. Gross.

    "It strikes me as gruesome and comical that in our culture we have an expectation that a man can always solve his problems" - Kurt Vonnegut

    by jazzence on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:21:52 PM PST

  •  No.... (6+ / 0-)
    "If I leave the prices the same, but say on the menu that there is a 5 percent surcharge for Obamacare, customers have two choices.
    No, Mr Metz, there is a third choice.
    Not go to your restaurants.

    I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

    by Lilyvt on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:21:54 PM PST

  •  Gotta love their hubris. (6+ / 0-)

    Buffalo wings are the easiest things to make, and they taste ten times better when you make them at home.

    "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Benjamin Franklin

    by hotdamn on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:22:31 PM PST

  •  What was it that Marx said about (8+ / 0-)

    how Capitalism would look when its monied interests were attacked?

    Oh right, like this.

  •  I am happy with the self-outing of these clowns. (8+ / 0-)

    Thanks, bozos, for ensuring that I will never eat at one of your establishments. Any others of you out there who feel like Messrs Metz and Schnatter, of whatever industry, please don't hesitate to speak out. Consider it your patriotic duty. I will happily avoid ever sending a penny your way.

    The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

    by psnyder on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:25:55 PM PST

  •  There's another option: (7+ / 0-)

    Stop going to Denny's. I realize that this clown doesn't speak for all of them but he brought the name into it and so they're all fair game. Denny's already has a pretty crappy track record with minorities and they don't need this but until the corporation severs ties with this jerk, I'm not eating there.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:28:50 PM PST

  •  It's clearly a scam to boost profits and take (3+ / 0-)
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    advantage of workers.  The requirement for businesses with 50 or more employees to provide health coverage is not being implemented until 2014.  There is no way they can even determine the costs now, especially since exchanges have not even been set up yet.  These guys are trying to cover their greed with a political attack demonizing Obamacare.

  •  They sure are making it easy for me (8+ / 0-)

    ... to avoid their shitty food.

    Winning elections is great, but building movements is better.

    by Alvin K on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:30:59 PM PST

  •  We eat most meals out (3+ / 0-)
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    With so many choices, it's nice to have a list of places to avoid.

  •  How ReTHUGlican! I will take my cash and spend (4+ / 0-)

    it elsewhere...what an asinine, entitled idiot.  He assumes his customers are cheapskate assholes like himself and those he associates with.  

    It is much better to avoid these kinds of employers and take business/potential profits to responsible corporate citizens who treat their employees as valued contributors to their businesses.  That way the decent employers will have more good paying/benefit jobs to offer future employees.

    We need a program to help us be wise consumers who reward responsible employers.

    Robber Baron "ReTHUGisms": John D. Rockefeller -"The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets"; Jay Gould -"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."

    by ranton on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:34:26 PM PST

  •  I Think This Will Backfire on Them (8+ / 0-)

    When I first read about how it would add literally pennies to the cost of each pizza for employees to have health insurance, my first thought, was that's amazingly cheap. I suspect that is going to be most people's take-away.

    Frankly I can't understand why so many people are OK with the people who are preparing and serving their food having no insurance. Do they want workers with untreated communicable diseases breathing and sneezing all over their meals? My guess is most people never gave it any thought, and now thanks to these CEOs they are going to give it some thought. I'm betting most people are actually going to like the idea of a healthier food service workforce.

  •  they don't care about consumers or servers (1+ / 0-)
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    the economy is depressed, so there is no pricing power.  the added "expense" of obamacare will not be passed along to consumers.  it will come at the expense of profits, which is why the owners are REALLY upset.

    •  Their attitude is ... (1+ / 0-)
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      "I'll show you."  It's vindictiveness for losing the election and not getting what THEY want.  Afterall, rich people, surrounded by a useless moat made to impress, and serving food to the masses that they themselves wouldn't eat, now that takes real ignorance.  And their final act just may be a massive loss of business.

      "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."  (Anatole France)    

  •  Low Wage Food Service Workers Want, What? (5+ / 0-)

    HEALTH CARE.  Now we're getting somewhere.  Notice how angry these food service rich guys have gotten.  And the GOP Gov.s who asked Obama for an extension to decide on how they will participate in Obama care.  Health Care For All, baby.  Then there will be a degree of freedom restored to Mr. and Mrs. America.  

  •  Boycott! (3+ / 0-)
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    I would never belong to a club that would have me as a member--Groucho Marx.

    by DaveS002 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:40:45 PM PST

  •  Of course prices will go up a bit in some places (5+ / 0-)

    So what?  We made a decision as a society to expand health care coverage, and the main mechanism is through the mandate that employers either provide coverage or pay a penalty.

    For many employers that already provide health coverage, there won't be a difference - they were and are already providing the required coverage.

    For other employers who tend to have the lower-paid workers - restaurants, cleaning companies, dry cleaners, etc. - they will have a new cost to pay, and they'll try to reflect the new costs in their prices.  The ones who are able to still offer the most competitive prices on the new playing field will end up doing the best.  It's no different than what's gone on over the past few years with fuel prices - airline tickets are more expensive now than when oil was $45 a barrel.

    We're doing the right thing, and it's kind of silly for these owners to try and scare people with simple economics.

    •  True, but 5 cents or even 14 cents per pizza (2+ / 0-)
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      is one thing, but a 5% surcharge is something else.  As already mentioned, that's way more than what Obamacare will cost.  So, if that's what the guy is trying to pull, not eating at one of his restaurants is the best thing.

    •  Unfortunately, it's not a level playing field. (0+ / 0-)

      For some reason I don't understand, small businesses (less than 50 employees as I recall) are exempt.

      I can understand why larger businesses are pissed. If employers have an ethical obligation to provide health care for their workers, why is there a line drawn at the size of the business.

      What next, OSHA waives all requirements for businesses with less than 50 employees?

      •  Because large businesses can afford it more (0+ / 0-)

        Tailored regulations to benefit small businesses over large businesses are nothing new, and it's pretty bipartisan.

        Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02. "You're damn right we're making a difference!" - Senator-Elect Tammy Baldwin (D-Madison)

        by fearlessfred14 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 12:27:56 PM PST

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        •  Agreed, it's not new. (0+ / 0-)

          But that doesn't make it right.

          More importantly, why should employees of small businesses not enjoy the same government mandated benefits as those of big businesses? If there is some moral or ethical reason that businesses should provide something to their employees, why wouldn't small employers be subject to the same moral or ethical reason?

          If a business, small or large, can't turn a profit on a level playing field, they should go under.

          Besides, these "cliff functions" encourage businesses to outsource/offshore to keep their W2 employee count under 50. That's not beneficial to workers and is just bad policy IMHO.

  •  They are like Gods, the are the Creators, and (1+ / 0-)
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    they giveth and taketh away.

    Hey, GOP - Get In, Sit Down, Shut up, & Hang On!

    by 88kathy on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:42:12 PM PST

  •  The reason this Grill & Wingsnut had to go with (4+ / 0-)
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    a 5% surcharge is pretty simple: anything less - especially if it's a lot less - and people would probably wonder what the big deal was and why he was being such a huge dick about it.

    Benghazi - the bitter last gasp of John McCain's dying career and cold, dead soul.

    by here4tehbeer on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:44:06 PM PST

  •  I miss Howard Johnsons. Now that was a chain! (2+ / 0-)
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    Why would anyone ever eat at Dennys? I did, once. No further need...

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:45:13 PM PST

    •  Then you must love Blazing Saddles (2+ / 0-)
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      And yeah, Denny's is crap. I had to laugh when locals made an uproar over the razing of a favorite Seattle Denny's several years ago. Of course, I'm sure it was much more about the memories than food, something these companies know and cynically exploit by pretending to be "homey".

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:52:13 PM PST

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  •  Can someone post a list of restaurants? (5+ / 0-)

    Ones that are threatening employees?

    I spend WAY too much money eating out, and I want to know who to stop visiting.

    "The Green Bay Packers failed to score 8 times in the Super Bowl." -- Purity

    by USArmyParatrooper on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:45:20 PM PST

  •  Sounds as if it's time for a "NO EATING OUT" week (2+ / 0-)
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    to let employers know we're tired of the manipulation of their workers, using a polital excuse for their mis-management and failure to provide support for workers so customers can be served by healthy servers. We might nees a post care, Tweet, ETC multi-media message so Resturant owners would understand why we are missing from our regularaly scheduled "night out." I would suggest some week between Thanksgiving and New Year's Day.

  •  how do we find out what (if any) of these (1+ / 0-)
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    companies do offer their employees health care benefits? and then support them?

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:46:53 PM PST

  •  Does anyone (2+ / 0-)
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    know why there are times when I can only recommend about one in five comments. This problem comes and goes.

    Does anyone else have it? I love all the comments on this thread and would rec every one of them if I could.

    The best way to fight these jerks is to deny them our business.

    Facts matter. Joe Biden

    by kpardue on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:48:49 PM PST

  •  These guys have big heads. It's not like they have (2+ / 0-)
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    a product people really need. These guys couldn't stay in business 3 weeks without our service. Guys, you are not that powerful. Think about it, pizzas and breakfast? Hey, I have to decide which place out of many, where to eat breakfast and pizzas. Denny's and pappa johns are no longer  considerations. Let's see, how much have they lost from just one person? About $35.00/ week. Can we get a few million times that? Can these greedy dough guys stand to lose a few billion?

    •  Because they're not actually managing (2+ / 0-)
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      restaurants; they're managing capital structures. They're refinancing their equity and developing property. It's all numbers on spreadsheets to them.

      When sales and profits decrease, they lean on front line managers, or bring in new ones. As long as they have cash flow to finance debt, they're doing well.

      "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

      by CFAmick on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 07:04:27 PM PST

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      •  BINGO (0+ / 0-)

        And much of healthcare is run in a similar manner (driven to produce cash flow, asset values and profits) --- and has a great deal to do with the exploding costs of healthcare in our system.

        Price out the cost of nursing home care lately, for example?

        It's just about "heads in beds" to many owners (especially for-profit chains, much as with fast food).

  •  Great, another crappy "restaurant" I don't eat at (0+ / 0-)

    that I have to start boycotting. These CEO's sure aren't making this easy!

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:50:21 PM PST

  •  KOS made fun of my comment on an earlier diary, (2+ / 0-)
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    but I'm serious. I don't want to eat out in a resturant where some snotty nosed server with a temperature is waiting my table because they are are work because they can't afford to ge to the doctor's office or emergency room.

  •  Hey Metz! (0+ / 0-)

    There's another choice: They could go eat somewhere else.

  •  What a scumbag.. (2+ / 0-)
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    He hates Obama and his employees. I wouldn't eat at one of his fucking restaurants if the food was free.

    Fuck him and the ones like him.

    •  What else would you expect from these guys (2+ / 0-)
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      Look at the business model,
      Pay your employees as close to nothing as you can get away with,
      Spend the least amount of money on ingredients that you can and still get away with calling the garbage you serve food.

      The world is just numbers on a computer screen to these guys.
      What's important to them is their 20 car garage with car elevator, owning things to give themselves status in thier own eyes.
      They don't care about people and they sure as hell don't care about food.

  •  How long 'till his customers revolt? (3+ / 0-)
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    Customers may be habituated, but they are not captives.  This sort of thing is self-defeating.  In the highly competitive environment most restaurants inhabit, the strategy is the equivalent of swimming with an anchor.  One the good side, these guys are just making room in the market for someone better suited to serve their customers.

  •  When I owned a small (3+ / 0-)

    retaurant/brewpub a dozen years ago, I offered health insurance through WA State's Basic Health program. The deal was they pay half the premium, I pay half the premium. As most were young and in good health only a handful opted in. That was fine with me. It seemed to be the right thing to do. I also paid full minimum wage which if memory serves was $7.05/hour. Their tips were theirs to keep. I did require them to report tips on their time card, but the amount was at their discretion. I had to include it into their income when figuring how much to withhold for income tax purposes and medicare deductions.
    If I were still in business adding a surcharge to a bill because of Obamacare would be unthinkable.
    I too would like to see a website dedicated to listing these douchebags so I know where not to eat at.

    ...ready about...helm's alee...

    by sailboatslave on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 06:04:31 PM PST

  •  "I have to pass the cost on to the consumer (2+ / 0-)
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    because I am a piece of shit capitalist."

    If I have to become a shithead like these shitheads, I guess I'll just stay poor and unsuccessful.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 06:04:50 PM PST

    •  All costs are passed on... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...eventually -- it's just a matter if the customer knows which cost is being passed on.

      Obviously it's dishonest to claim a surcharge of x% is for reason y when the actual cost is much less than x%.

  •  Exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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    But then there's a question that occurred to me today that I'd never considered before. And that is whether the shortage of money, which is being artificially created by hoarding and the Congress' refusal to appropriate enough to mediate all our transactions isn't causing people to ask or expect to get higher prices for everything they sell because of their uncertainty about having enough later? Does rationing money have the same effect as rationing gas or food stuffs and does it actually prompt more hoarding?
    If so, then that's doubly stupid because the supply of money, unlike our natural resources and manufactured goods, is actually infinite.
    We already know that making money scarce doesn't make production more efficient. What if making money scarce actually promotes inefficiency? We know that making decisions on the basis of cost is a damned nuisance. Not to mention that it leads to bad nutrition.
    Currency manipulation to effect deprivation of rights should be a crime. Money is a free good, like literacy.

    We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 06:05:02 PM PST

  •  The solution (1+ / 0-)
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    "The wealthiest businessmen in America have spent more than 30 years undermining democracy …. and looting the country."  —June Carbone

    The last businessman to live in the White House was a guy named Herbert Hoover. (Unless you count former President George W. Bush.)

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest (individualism) was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

  •  I don't eat at chain restaurants (1+ / 0-)
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    But if I did, at this point, I'd avoid any that were threatening workers or customers.  Is this REALLY good advertising for their businesses?

  •  They know if people have health insurance... (1+ / 0-)
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    or earn more than below subsistence wages, then employees aren't tied to that business and foced to accept shitty treatment.

    An employee that can make a living wage then the employer will have to work harder at keeping that employee and that employee's experience, you certainly wouldn't be able to treat them like shit. Keep them poor and make sure they have no other options then you can treat them like shit because the options are work in a shitty place or not work at all.

    This is nothing more than the modern version of working in a company town and trading your scrips at the company store and finding that you still have an outstanding debt to the company.

    To the world you are one person. To one person, you are the world.

    by p a roberson on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 06:09:37 PM PST

  •  The business these greedy arrogant snots lose (1+ / 0-)
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    because of this, will far out weight whatever if thing, they would have to pay for employee healthcare for the next 25 years.

  •  Most of these scumbags probably serve pork... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...bacon, ribs, etc.

    So having a pig cartoon is kind of unfair to pigs.

    Just saying.

    Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

    by Bush Bites on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 06:10:14 PM PST

  •  It is amazing to me.. (0+ / 0-)

    It is amazing to me that people are outraged, shocked, or even surprised that business owners are doing their best to figure out how to pass the cost of Obamacare on to their customers or making efforts to dodge this new tax. What people should be outraged at is the fact that the federal government is trying to tell privately owned businesses what benefits they should provide to their employees. If the employee wants health insurance the employee should be responsible for either buying it on the open market or seeking employment from a company that offers that as a benefit. If Americans believe their employer should offer health insurance, and their employer doesn't, they have the right and privilege as an American to seek employment from an employer who does. The government should keep its clumsy hands out of it.

    It's ironic that both the left and the right believe that there is some big conspiracy, although they don't agree on where the conspiracy lies. The truth is that most Americans just want to be successful. They want to live the "American Dream" and they are continually blocked due to the obstacles the federal government puts in place to prevent it.

    The facts are simple. The government passed legislation that increased the cost of doing business. Any good business person is going to make changes in their business plan in order to reduce this new cost's effect on their bottom line. That's just good business.

    •  Well, OK Libertarian, (3+ / 0-)

      we can easily see your business slant on things.  Let's take a look at the total libertarian "slant on things":

      This was Ron Paul's platform:
      Eliminate the income tax, capital gains taxes and the estate tax (thus crippling the government  --  no unemployment insurance, no social security (it's unconstitutional), no federal health benefits.  End the Fed, protect gun rights,  home-school, no bad words for Wall Street, drill, baby drill,  and bloat the national defense, but stay out of other countries, free migration, the elimination of most state functions,  opposes intervention in the economy which means corporations can do pretty much what they want, opposes minimum wage laws, want to  promote the legalization of drugs, prostitution, gambling and pornography, they are foes of abortion, they believe government doesn't have the right to license relationships (no more marriage licenses), Ron Paul wants to privatize federal lands, Ron Paul believes you don't have a right to emergency medical care, Paul believes Veterans Hospitals should be phased out, Paul opposes the civil rights act of 1964, he wants a "strong national defense", he opposes the killing of Osama bin Laden, and he wants to abolish all public schools (Ron Paul believes education is not a right).  I suggest you read that again, very slowly!

      Personally, I'm more interested in the worker's rights and the workers slant on things.  The playing field needs to be leveled.  These people don't even earn a living wage and you want them to "Just go buy health insurance" from an insurance shark.  You haven't a clue what you are talking about!

      "Sweden, Denmark, and Germany, etc. rank among the highest in education (all free to their citizens, "a right" by the way), have universal health care, have consistent growth, stable housing markets and low unemployment. Their citizens also do not have the levels of stress that Americans have these days".  —Jeffrey Sachs

      •  I take it you don't like Ron Paul... (0+ / 0-)

        You are correct; I am a proponent of business. Business makes the world go round. I see most everything from the standpoint of business and if I were President, I would run our government like a business and I think we’d be better off for it. That said, for you to assume that because I’m a Libertarian I believe every single thing that another Libertarian believes is rather close minded. I think you would be rather offended if I started rattling off obscure beliefs of radical liberals and made the assumption that you believed every one of them.

        While I would love to soap box, I won’t go through and list my personal beliefs on everything you stated but I will pick out a few.
          - My understanding of Ron Paul’s stance on abortion is that he believes that the government shouldn’t give a damn about what choices a woman makes in regards to their body.
          - I doubt reasonable person would promote the legalization of all drugs; however I do think that we have over-regulated some.
          - As for gambling and pornography, they are already legal in most places so not sure why that matters.
          - I don’t know why the government needs to license relationships. Where did we get the idea that the government had to say it was ok for two people to engage in any sort of relationship?
          - The last one I’ll touch on is education. Education is not a right, it is a privilege. The higher you go on the education ladder, the more valid that statement becomes. In an ideal world the parents would be responsible for ensuring their child was properly education. Since it is obvious that many parents in America today care very little about anything related to their children, some level of government should ensure that children are obtaining enough education for them to function and contribute to our society. The problem with any government body deciding what things a child should learn is that it can end up being tailored to that entity’s current political stance, thus indoctrinating kids rather than educating.

        I could go on and on with just your Ron Paul piece but I doubt anyone would read it. Being a working “class” individual, I’m also interested in worker’s rights. You and I obviously disagree in what those rights are. I don’t believe that anyone as a right to work. I believe that I have time and specific abilities and it is my responsibility to market those abilities and sell my time to the individual or corporation that I decide is the best deal. I’m not sure why you think the playing field isn’t level; maybe you just don’t understand all of the rules of the game. You speak of “these people” as if they are being paid little to nothing and they have no choice but to settle for the wage their current employer has offered them. Again, if they don’t think they are being paid enough they should market their skills and abilities to someone else. If the problem is that they don’t have any marketable skills, they should take the initiative to develop some. Don’t tell me that anyone working in the United States doesn’t make enough to live off of. It may not be the lifestyle of the rich and famous, but those minimum wage laws you like so much guarantee that people are making enough to survive. If they don’t like that form of survival, they can make steps to change it. Our lives are the sum of our choices.

        •  Education is whatever our society chooses (1+ / 0-)
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          to make it.

          Don’t tell me that anyone working in the United States doesn’t make enough to live off of.

          You're an idiot.

          Our lives are not the sum of our choices, they are the sum of an infinity of infinities of events transpiring both over the billions of years that preceded our appearance, as well as transpiring since, the vast majority of which are almost entirely beyond our control.

          What an ass.

          What an ass's ass.


          To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

          by UntimelyRippd on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:35:23 PM PST

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          •  Hmm.. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm the ass when you're the one that has been completely uncivil and cursed while I was trying to have a rational and civil discussion. Believe me, I disagree with your views just as much as you disagree with mine, but you don't see me being rude.

            Our lives are not the sum of our choices, they are the sum of an infinity of infinities of events transpiring both over the billions of years that preceded our appearance, as well as transpiring since, the vast majority of which are almost entirely beyond our control.
            So you believe that our choices have no effect on our lives? That our lives were laid out on a path long before we were even thought of. If you truly believed that you wouldn't have such a passionate disdain for my belief that we are all responsible for our own successes and failures. Are there outside influences that effect what choices we are faced with, certainly. If I hadn't decided to comment on this site, you would have never been faced with the choice of whether or not to reply to every comment I made on this article.

            Maybe I should have put one small qualifier in my proclamation that people working in the United States make enough to live off of. That qualifier being that there is ample opportunity in the United States for people to make enough to live off of, it's a matter of personal determination as to whether or not they will do so. Once again, a choice. If I choose to make no money, I will make no money. If I choose to live well beyond my means, I will be broke. Choices my friend, choices.

            We do agree on one thing, education is what our society chooses to make it, which means we're all responsible for the inadequacy of our education system. And that has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with effort.

            •  See this: (1+ / 0-)
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              I say that the vast majority of the events that affect our lives are entirely out of control.

              You then come back and argue, "So you believe that our choices have no effect on our lives?"

              And then you wonder why I'm rude. I'm rude because, as that entirely broken bit of "reasoning" clearly demonstrates, you aren't smart enough to be having this conversation, nor to sit smugly upon the self-satisfying opinions that your incompetent logical faculty generates for you to burble on about; never mind act upon those opinions or even worse, foist them on other people as if they were somehow something worth promulgating.

              I have one last piece of advice for you: Look at the calendar. Note that date. Now: Spend the next 10 years actually thinking about all the stuff about which you're opining (this won't be easy, because you're going to have to spend the first 2 or 3 years investigating the difference between thinking and whatever it is you've been doing up to now) and until that 10 years is up, keep entirely to yourself whatever ill-considered half-baked semi-informed notions you have churning around in your happy-clappy-we-all-get-what-we-deserve-and-deserve-what-we-get-and-i-am-all-right-jack brain.

              Good night, sir.

              To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

              by UntimelyRippd on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:54:05 PM PST

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        •  You are a typical Ebeneezer Scrooge type.. (0+ / 0-)

          You believe that since YOU yourself are able to do something...everyone is.
          Since you were lucky enough to be born without disease, without health issues, everyone is.
          Or perhaps you are the "I have all these issues and I overcame them all by myself and so can everyone else..."

          And I say to you "BULLSH***

          You did NOT build the roads, the hospitals, the firehouses, the police departments, the schools.   COMMUNITIES did and those of us who believe in communities, also believe that we owe it to our brothers and sisters and their children who are unable to do the building, the caretaking.

          This is not about being rich and famous, it is about being a community.  Go live somewhere on your own with yourself and your fellow libertarians and build your own roads, your own hospitals, your own everything.   Do it.  Check the safety of your water and food on your own.  Check the safety of your housing on your own.  Educate your own. Clothe your own.  Heat your own.  Do whatever the hell you want but do not demand that those of us who choose to live in communities and share the labor, the care taking, the education, the safety of our communities live according to your survivalists nuttiness.

          From the beginning of communities elders educated their children in order to make sure their was survival of the community.  

          “Fear of serious injury cannot alone justify suppression of free speech and assembly. Men feared witches and burned women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears.”–Louis Dembitz Brandeis

          by Jjc2006 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:46:04 AM PST

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          •  I'm starting to understand.. (0+ / 0-)

            I think I'm starting to understand why so many of you are outraged at my comment. Somehow, by me stating that I think it is not the government's place to force a business to provide healthcare to their employees, you concluded that I want to demolish the government entirely. You’ve concluded from one comment that I'm cold-hearted and have no desire to help people. Quite the contrary, let me explain.

            I do understand that just because I can do something doesn’t mean others can, or should even have to. I know full well that I’ve never worked on a road crew paving the way for our goods and services. I’ve never worked in construction in any way, or as a fireman or as a caregiver in a hospital. I do believe we should have communities. The difference is that I don’t think the entire United States is one big community. To me a community is a group of like-minded people who have a vested interest in achieving a common goal. Look no further than the election results and you can see that we don’t all agree on what our goals should be, so why should the Federal government be the one making decisions like this? Why couldn’t it be the state? Or better yet, the county government? Or better still, the city government? That’s where your community is, it’s in small groups of people. Look at the money spent in the last campaign cycle. Money thrown down the drain just so that everyone in the country can be dissatisfied with the lack of results we'll see over the next four years. You may be happy Obama won, but you still won’t be happy with the stand still congress and neither will any other American.

            If you and the rest of your municipality decide that you want to force businesses to provide healthcare, go ahead. If your community decides that you want to levy a tax for some predetermined purpose, go ahead. Leave the federal government to do things that more than 51% of the nation can agree on. Like provide levy taxes to pay for our military so that we don’t have to worry about being invaded. Leave them to regulate interstate commerce so no American is economically abused.

    •  User 637528 is amazed - Joined: Nov 15, 2012 (1+ / 0-)
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      yoduuuh do or do not
      It is amazing to me that people are outraged, shocked, or even surprised that business owners are doing their best to figure out how to pass the cost of Obamacare on to their customers or making efforts to dodge this new tax.


      That's just good business.

      (emphasis added)

      While in other diaries today you blame unions for company failures?

      I wish you well.

    •  Passing the cost on isn't what bothers me (2+ / 0-)

      The fact that he is publicizing his plan to hurt the very employees that ACA was meant to help is what does piss me off.  Which is exactly WHY they are publicizing these tantrums.  It's a big mess of spoiled grapes and attempts to show us they remain in control no matter what we achieve politically.  It's unbelievably immature and dickish.  I would just love to see a financial backlash for these incredibly bad decisions.  

      If any non-libertarians are still reading:  Do you think Yelp reviews would help or hurt?

      •  But why.. (0+ / 0-)

        Why do you think that the government should control the businesses, and why do you feel that the businesses control you? Freedom works both ways.

        You're trying to use the government to free you from the control you believe these companies have over you. The truth is that the government gave you that freedom when this country was founded. Its the freedom of choice. The same freedom of choice these businesses have to run their businesses how they choose.

        •  "Freedom"? (2+ / 0-)
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          dustbunny44, MochaGirl

          Here's a series of questions for you to think about.

          Think about them for about the next 10 years or so.

          If you think hard enough, you have some small chance of putting your childish "philosophy" behind you.

          a. What is property?
          b. Where does it come from?
          c. No, I mean, really: What is property? How did it come to be?
          d. If one man owns a beachfront home, and 8 billion other men can no longer use the beach ... does that man's exclusive access to the beach increase or decrease the net liberty among humans?
          d. What is money?
          e. Where does it come from?
          f. What exactly does it mean, to "loan" money?
          g. What, after all, is a "contract"? Why should government enforce them? What business is it of yours, or of the government's, whether I choose to keep my promises or not?
          h. What exactly is a corporation?
          i. Where did corporations come from?
          j. Why do they exist?
          k. Why should they have limited liability? (Whose freedom is enhanced by that?)
          l. Why should they be permitted to exist at all -- by which I mean, imagine a world in which governments do not create an elaborate legal structure within which there are these peculiar things called corporations, but rather, all business transactions are carried out only between and among actual human beings. How would such a world be different?
          m. Given that such a world is the default -- that there would be no corporations unless governments chose to create them -- why should corporations not be firmly, tightly, determinedly controlled by the societies-at-large that have created them? Why should they not be forced to behave in ways that generally benefit the millions of people who are not the executives and major shareholders? If that isn't the obvious way it should be ... well ... what is the obvious way it "should" be? And why?

          Etc. etc. et fucking cetera.

          Jesus, grow up. Read something besides Rand and the Austrian School and the Chicago School -- propagandists masquerading as philosophers and scientists.

          Question all of your premises, because you know what? Almost all of your premises are delusions.

          To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

          by UntimelyRippd on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:48:26 PM PST

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        •  It's pretty simple for me really (0+ / 0-)

          "Control" was the wrong word to use. I do not believe in government control of private business. Neither does this administration.

          What angers me is the vindictiveness. They choose to hurt workers intentionally. It's this "Kiplingesque" attitude that needs to be addressed. If you say these leaders understand only their bottom lines, then not giving them any business, will make them understand.

           You're right about choice, I choose not to give these companies my business and I want to inform others so they have the option to make it too.

    •  They aren't "doing their best to figure out (0+ / 0-)

      how to pass the cost of Obamacare on to their customers".

      What they are doing is their best to transform this cost-passing into a loud, ugly political statement. They are openly and proudly bullying their employees and their fellow citizens.

      Fuck them.

      Here's the one change none of them are boasting about making in their business plan: reducing executive salaries. Gee, I wonder why.

      Oh, right: because they're jackasses who believe their own propaganda. Kind of like people who are so hysterically dimwitted that they suppose the average American is blocked from living the "American Dream" by obstacles put up by the Federal government.

      Unless your Libertarianism extends to such simple and obvious freedoms as freely copying and using any knowledge that cannot be kept secret by the person who created or discovered it, it is a shallow and self-deluded abuse of any reasonable concept of "liberty", principally devoted to protecting the "liberty" of a rather small group of generally sociopathic individuals to enslave everyone else.

      To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

      by UntimelyRippd on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:32:28 PM PST

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      •  Well, you've obviously got passion.. (0+ / 0-)

        There's a lot of emotion in that reply, I'm extremely curious what it is you have against people who have been successful. I would also love for you to explain the part about "simple and obvious freedoms as freely copying and using any knowledge that cannot be kept secret by the person who created or discovered it". Please elaborate on that.

        I'm also curious if you would be so willing to promote "reducing executive salaries" if you were the executive whose salary was on the chopping block. I would imagine not.

        I do not think that the path to the "American Dream" is blocked for any American. I do think that the Federal government has done plenty to make that path more difficult for all Americans to traverse. Ironically, the ones you seem so hell bent on targeting are the ones who've already achieved their "American Dream", the ones whose salaries you're wanting to reduce, are the ones that will be able to shelter themselves from these obstacles while the rest of us have to take the hit. I don't know about you, but I plan to be one of those successful individuals someday and the last thing I want to do is vote for changes that will make it harder for me to get there.

        •  Sorry amigo, but you just pinned the needle (2+ / 0-)
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          MochaGirl, WakeUpNeo

          on my inanity meter. I've already spent about 10 minutes more time than was worth spending to pointlessly set out for you a few lamps on the trail of inquiry. I only bothered because I was feeling especially cranky, not because I thought you could be led away from the path of fallacy and folly upon which you so self-satisfiedly tread.

          March on, oh mighty individual, march on.

          To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

          by UntimelyRippd on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 09:04:36 PM PST

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  •  If 1 million people stopped eating there for just (1+ / 0-)
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    one day a year, they would lose about 12 million dollars.

  •  the last sentence of the diary has it in a nutshel (0+ / 0-)

    l. CEOs want the most powerless workers they can have. Look at the mining CEO who ordered miners to attend the photo-op for Romney with no pay. That is the game these asses play. Big employers know that most of their employees wouldn't work for them if they didn't have too. That's why these years of high unemployment has been a sort of windfall for them. The class war continues. We won a big battle with the election but we can't let up. Power to the workers!

  •  Only two options? How about a third? (3+ / 0-)
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    dclawyer06, a2nite, flavor411

    You see on the menu he is charging a surcharge to cover his employees with healthcare, so you get up, leave, and find another restaurant to eat at?  

    That's the one I'd pick, even if it's not on the menu.  

    •  You're damn straight that's what I would do (1+ / 0-)
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      I would never give business to an asshole/ nutcase.

      •  Nor would I work for one. (0+ / 0-)

        As I said in a post above, these people don't have a monopoly on anything.  There are always jobs for waitstaff.  If the waitstaff make less money because of this stunt, they'll get another job elsewhere.  In order to keep employees and keep serving customers as well as competing firms, he will need to raise salaries, or decide he's not willing to compete and go out of business.  

        Maybe I'm lucky because I've never been desperate enough to need to accept working for such a shitbag, though.

  •  Is there a single place to find... (2+ / 0-)
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    all these republican establishments that are punishing their workers because we reelected President Obama?

    I need a boycott app, cause I've had enuff of this.

  •  Would YELP reviews help or hurt??? (1+ / 0-)
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    Nancy on Lake Michigan

    If we bombarded Yelp with the financial facts or calls for boycotts would it help these restaurants or hurt them.  I'd love to hear the community's opinions.  

  •  Went to Denny's this morning. (3+ / 0-)

    Ordered a cup of coffee, and left a $10 tip in cash for the server.  Didn't drink the coffee, either.

  •  Why not surcharges for fire alarms? (0+ / 0-)

    Or to help pay for the war in Iraq?

    "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

    by CFAmick on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 06:52:39 PM PST

  •  What in the heck is the matter (1+ / 0-)
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    with these people?

    Do they not realize they depend on having customers in order to be able to screw their employees?

    I wish I were the kind of person who ever ate in these chain monstrosities, because I would boycott them in a heartbeat.

    But alas, I've been eating at local joints (mostly ethnic) for ages, and now, I have one more reason to be glad not a red cent of my money goes into the pockets of these assholes.

    Kathleen Sebelius 2016

    by pvlb on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 07:00:13 PM PST

  •  Too bad this guy doesn't own places (1+ / 0-)
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    yoduuuh do or do not

    here in California.

    If he did, and printed that stuff on the menu, I would make a point of going there and tipping the server EXTRA.  

    Yes, dumbass would be making a profit off my food purchase as the owner of the place.  But I would be giving his poor employee extra scratch directly.  

    That would not completely make up for working for such a hosebag, but it would be a nice gesture.

  •  Betcha you'll find (1+ / 0-)
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    ...all of these asshole restaurant owners on a rolodex on Herman Cain's desk.

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 07:10:26 PM PST

  •  Dominos Pizza too (0+ / 0-)

    Another crappy pizza chain. What is it with these guys?

    Heard from an aquaintance who delivers pizza for a Dominos store. He said they're cutting his hours in half because, according to the company, Obamacare is increasing their costs.

    The slime that comes out of their ovens is one thing. The owners are an even slimier bunch.

    •  Boycotting Dominos and getting your pizza from (0+ / 0-)

      a company that's not doing this does make sense.  It means the new place that you're getting your pizza from will have to hire more delivery people, and your aquaintance will be able to tell Dominos, "Bye-bye."

  •  somehow, none of these guys seem to grasp (1+ / 0-)
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    that their product is utterly replaceable. nobody needs it, and if they all closed down tomorrow, somebody else would open locally-owned restaurants to replace them.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:19:30 PM PST

  •  These protests by restaurant owners will succeed (3+ / 0-)

    in preventing President Obama from being elected to a third term.

  •  Another customer option: (0+ / 0-)

    They tip the workers the same, and pay the surcharge but cut 5% off their bill.  Enough of these attempts and he'll get the message.

    •  That's a good way to... (0+ / 0-)

      ...someone to get a criminal conviction for theft on their record.

      Why not suggest taking a gun and holding up the place? Or, murdering the owner? Or, burning the place down?

      If someone doesn't like a business, they just shouldn't patronize them. If someone really dislikes a business (and doesn't have a life), they can peacefully picket the business. But choosing to break the law and steal from the business makes one a common criminal who should be treated as such by society.

  •  Maybe we should start a leafletting campaign (0+ / 0-)

    in front of Denny's restaurants informing customers that the servers are not actually benefiting from Obamacare, and that the owner has cut their hours to avoid his obligations under Obamacare while screwing his workers. If people must go in, please tip as you normally would and refuse to pay the surcharge until he actually insures his workers. Thoughts?

  •  How about a positive movement? (0+ / 0-)

    Instead of boycotts, why don't we consciously reward restaurants that treat their employees well?

    My vision is a standard paragraph on the last page of every menu that goes something like this:

    This restaurant proudly subscribes to the ROLW [I just made that up] pledge. We pay our waitstaff top wages in our industry and extend to them better benefits than others in our business. If you don't believe that, ask them.

    In order to do this, we ask our customers to accept the fact that your meal might cost an extra dollar or two. Remember that the person serving it is your neighbor. If that person makes your meal exceptionally pleasant, please consider tipping him or her generously.  

    You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. --Bob Dylan-- -7.25, -6.21

    by Tim DeLaney on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 02:01:35 AM PST

  •  Other alternatives (0+ / 0-)

    He and his upper management could take less in salary and bonuses. Better yet, let's just go to single payer and be done with it.

    the Republican brand is totally bankrupt.

    by vlyons on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 04:06:42 AM PST

  •  Does DQ, 48 HG&W, and Denny's (0+ / 0-)

    Know what Metz is doing to their brands?  If not (which I doubt), maybe they need to be reminded.

  •  Flex your muscles! (0+ / 0-)

    I have some advice for everyone who feels justifiably
    outraged by out-of-control corporate greed. Don't get
    mad, get even! As consumers, we are the most abused
    yet powerful people in America's economic system. It
    is the money WE earn and WE spend that determines
    the success or failure of EVERY business enterprise,
    including multi-billion dollar conglomerates like Wells
    Fargo. Look in a mirror and ask yourself, "Why am I
    paying more and more monthly "fees" to financial institutions while the already bloated salaries of
    banking executives increases every year? Don't do
    it! Join a credit union and discover what it is like to
    be treated like a valued human being instead of 10-
    digit account number. Credit unions are non-profit,
    so investment returns are given back to members -
    the only shareholders!

    Don't just write indignant letters and e-mails to
    money-mongering jerks like "Papa John". He and
    other "food franchise" moguls made a fortune from
    the labor of underpaid workers with no benefits.
    Now that they've been asked to contribute a small fraction of their annual income for employee health
    care coverage, they are squealing and wailing like herded pigs. It's a disgusting spectacle, but it won't
    go on forever. There is only one factor that causes
    a change of "company policy" - a significant loss of
    company customers. Trust me folks. We ordinary
    citizens are not helpless. No one can force us to
    purchase a certain product or patronize a certain
    restaurant or vote for any political candidate.
    Maybe we can't bankrupt Donald Trump or shut
    down Fox News, but if we band together and use
    the mighty leverage of widespread boycotts and
    public protests. we won't be ignored!

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