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Why the media thinks the GOP lost

The media reporting about why the GOP lost the presidency and many down-ballot contests shows no sign of decreasing.  Below is my two cents.

Since Nov 6, 2012 there have been many different explanations and analyses about the election results. New theories appear almost daily. Here are just a few: Women voted democratic in large percentages. Gay voters heavily favored Obama.  Latinos, blacks, young people and other minorities also voted Democratic in big percentages.  New theories posit that libertarians took votes away from the GOP.  Add in too long of a campaign, too much pac money generating negative ads for nearly two years and people became numb to the message.  Of course the WSJ thinks that the GOP didn't have ENOUGH money.

Then there is Citizens United. Rove, and his band of miscreants, gladly took bazillions of dollars from lots of really rich guys, and apparently guaranteed the rich guys that the GOP would win.  But Adelson, Friess and others stepped in with their millions AND their own candidates and presto! the GOP national committees no longer had rigid central control of the primaries or the message.  The ensuing primary circus has also been floated as a reason for the loss.  On and on and on this will go.

Why the GOP thinks it lost

This is the really far-out part. Some on the right think that the GOP was not conservative enough.  A "real" conservative would have done better.  Romney wasn't severe enough so people voted for the "socialist-muslim-kenyan" instead?  I'm still working on trying to understand the logic there.  

A few Republicans think that Romney went too far to the right, that a more centrist campaign platform may have done better.  At least I can understand and somewhat agree with that.

Paul Ryan has a theory too.  He thinks "Urban Voters" (dog whistle for black) are responsible. Then there is Romney's "gifts" theory.  Yeah Mitt, it couldn't possibly be you. The list goes on and on.

Why the GOP really lost.

Really, it is not that complicated, in my humble opinion.  While some (or all) of the reasons above may be valid to varying degrees there is one overarching reason that enabled or enhanced the rest of the reasons.

Republicans really, truly believed their own BS.  The GOP had, and still has, a problem with facts and objectivity.  I find it really hard to believe that we are even talking about these actions and beliefs in the 21st century, but the US Republican party seems to be stuck thinking like people did several centuries ago.

Fox (Faux News), unskewed polls and the right-wing hot air factory of Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and others contributed to the image of invincibility.  Each cited others as "evidence" and disbelieved the "libruls" and the non-right media. The left and neutral media were accused of doing exactly what the right was in fact doing - manufacturing it's own reality.  In one way this election was a referendum on reality, were Kos and Nate Silver right or Rasmussen, Gallup, Limbaugh, Norquist and Romney?

The GOP lived in a self-produced, self-reflecting, self-reinforcing bubble, which reflected only their views, promoted their own "facts."  All this agreement was reinforced to the point that nobody questioned it and if anyone disagreed they were quickly and severely ostracized and excommunicated.

This was certainly evident in the GOP rejection of climate change.  Huntsman and others never stood a chance as long as they believed in climate science or science in general.  The GOP was about as objective as the Spanish Inquisition.

Believing this, the Romney campaign and Rove appear to have guaranteed their rich benefactors that they could not, would not lose.  They banked (pun intended) on the win with the "fiscal cliff" agreement, which was made with a 100% belief that they could and would kill it after Romney was elected, after the GOP took back the Senate and picked up more house seats.

Their chickens were counted before the hens even laid eggs: Supreme court appointments, rolling back Obamacare, the Presidency again in 2016, cutting social spending, repeal of Roe v Wade, more gerrymandering in 2020.  Rove's dream of the permanent conservative domination WAS THERE.  It was going to happen.  All the pieces were in place. It was guaranteed.

And then...  the voters spoke.  Objective reality was very different from what the GOP (along with the Tea Party and much of the conservative right in the USA) manufactured.  Rove was so sure of his machinations that he disagreed with FOX analysts live on TV when Ohio was called for Obama. Fortunately this meltdown was broadcast for millions of people to see.

For once in my life I actually feel like my vote really meant something. This was truly a historic election. The right wing spin machine is still in high gear.  Excuses and analysis ad infinitum.

Anything but the truth.

Originally posted to Candide08 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 08:12 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (180+ / 0-)
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    "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." -- Hubert H. Humphrey

    by Candide08 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 08:12:36 AM PST

  •  You may be on to something there... n/t (20+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 08:16:37 AM PST

  •  The only reason they got so many people to (36+ / 0-)

    vote for them is that people don't believe that Republicans believe their own BS.  Seemingly rational people vote for imaginary Republicans and against an imaginary President Obama.  It is a strange world we live in.

    “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

    by ahumbleopinion on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 08:26:19 AM PST

  •  Grammatical error (8+ / 0-)

    In the ninth paragraph:

    "Each sighted" should be "each cited"

    That is all.

  •  Wrong question. (17+ / 0-)

    There's a multitude of reasons why they lost. The more important question is: how did they still come as close as they did to winning?

    You can call it "class warfare" -- we call it "common sense"

    by kenlac on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 08:36:09 AM PST

  •  They make their own reality, but (11+ / 0-)

    it didn't make a successful transfer to the real reality, and now Republicans are reeling and flailing because their supposed factscollided with actual facts, facts that fact-checkers can actually prove to be true.

    Yes, Karl Rove, there is a reality.

    I like your diary. It speaks the truth.

  •  They are victims of thier own propaganda (23+ / 0-)
    You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. -- attributed to Abraham Lincoln
    They fooled enough people to cripple Clinton's second term, steal the Presidency in 2000, and fraudulently invade Iraq. But after Katrina, not finding WMD's, and the financial meltdown, people are now wise to their bullshit. Hopefully a couple of newly fleeced billionaires are now also wise to Rove's bullshit.

    In the conversations I have with committed Republican voters, I am amazed at how quickly they introduce complete and utter bullcrap into the conversation. Out of seemingly sane people, I immediately hear Obama is a Muslim, a terrorist, a Kenyan, is going to confiscate your guns, and will bankrupt the country. No facts can persuade them otherwise.

    You can fool some of the people all of the time. Unfortunately, I think Rush Limbaugh and Fox News and the rest of right wing noise machine will continue to have a paying audience of people who need to feed their paranoia. You can shovel all the bullshit you want, and they'll keep paying to hear it.

    “Americans are fighters. We're tough, resourceful and creative, and if we have the chance to fight on a level playing field, where everyone pays a fair share and everyone has a real shot, then no one - no one - can stop us. ”-- Elizabeth Warren

    by Positronicus on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 08:45:14 AM PST

  •  5 out of the last 6 POTUS elections the GOP (18+ / 0-)

    has lost the PV...and had SCOTUS allowed the florida recount to continue...well, you know...

    The GOP doeasn't get it.

    And they seem to be retreating into an even deeper level of Cloud Cuckoo Land...

    and that makes the GOP really dangerous unless they shape up.

  •  The best evaluation so far (15+ / 0-)

    from the mouth of a Republican functionary:  "Too many damn Democrats!"

    Bene Scriptum, Bene Intellectum.

    by T C Gibian on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 09:05:35 AM PST

  •  But I'm a business man, I know how to (21+ / 0-)

    run a business. Cause running a business is really hard and there's all kind of secrets that only I know and Obama doesn't know anything about running a business even though he could ask just about anyone in the world and has access to the internets. And small business is the life-blood of America but I don't know how in the heck anybody else is going to run a small business since they don't know the secrets either. So vote for me cause I know the secrets.

    How did that narrative fail?

    We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

    by PowWowPollock on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 09:19:21 AM PST

  •  My wife summed it up (29+ / 0-)

    When a pundit was asking "What can Republicans do to give them a better chance of winning?" she said, "Stop saying crazy crap!"

    And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

    by Pale Jenova on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 09:49:15 AM PST

  •  The GOP didn't lose big (6+ / 0-)

    They still control the House of Representatives and a good many state legislatures and governors' mansions. That's not "losing big".

    The Republican gains of 2010 will take years to undo, if they can ever be undone.

    •  If one considers what the GOP... (17+ / 0-)

      expected and what they got...  it was big.  The GOP expected to win the Presidency, take back the Senate and increase house seats.  They outspent Democrats.  They used Citizens United and hoped that would give them an insurmountable advantage.

      The GOP lost the Presidency, by a big electoral margin, lost the popular vote (as they have in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections) .  The GOP lost 2 Senate seats instead of picking up and cementing their 2010 gains.  The GOP does control the house, after new gerrymandering but lost 5 seats (so far with 7 left and Democrats leading in some of them).

      The GOP lost big on the "fiscal cliff" which was never supposed to see 1-1-2013.  The GOP lost the chance to repeal Obamacare, that's big to me and millions of Americans.  Rove and the GOP machinery lost big on their reputations.

      You are correct however, there is still much work needed to undo 2010 and to undo many years of GOP damage.  State governorships and state legislatures are not a bright spot for Democrats.

      I really feel that this election was big, perhaps in the dodging a bullet sense.  You are certainly entitled to have a different opinion. :)

      "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." -- Hubert H. Humphrey

      by Candide08 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 11:41:55 AM PST

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      •  Undoing the gains of 2010 (2+ / 0-)
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        will take some time, depending on where you look.

        Two years: Congress gets elected every 2 years, and we made gains in 2012. I'm hoping for good news in 2014, but it's an off-year. If the Democratic candidate in 2016 wins and has good coattails, we could recapture the House.

        Six years: The Senators elected in 2010 are up for reelection in 2016, which is a Presidential year, so turnout will be higher. The Class 3 Senators elected in 2010 include a whopping 24 Republicans and only 10 Democrats. We should be able to pick off several of those seats.

        Ten years: The state legislatures elected in 2010 redrew the voting districts based on the 2010 Census. Let's hope we elect more Democratic legislatures in 2020.

        But we have demographics on our side: African-Americans, Latinos, women, LGBT voters, and young people prefer the Democratic party. Our side is growing larger. Theirs is shrinking.

        And if the Republicans keep saying crazy things about rape, they have no chance.

        But the angle said to them, "Do not be Alfred. A sailor has been born to you"

        by Dbug on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 07:16:31 PM PST

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  •  Recently a friend told me (12+ / 0-)

    that her friends and relatives, prosperous farmers in California and life-long Republicans, said they would never vote for current Republicans because "They make no sense." She thinks they probably didn't vote for Obama either, if they voted at all.

    The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

    by ybruti on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 02:04:05 PM PST

  •  What made their loss so BIG, (15+ / 0-)

    in fact, BIG out of proportion to actual size, was their total unwillingness to see any of this coming.  Thus it is their own shock and surprise at what was obviously in the making that makes a typical loss to an incumbent such a huge mind-shattering deal.  

    And the media see it and they react as well, not just to the BIGNESS of their loss, but to the bigness of their reaction to the loss.

    Now, ask me, why did they lose?  All the above cited reasons certainly contributed.  Let me add one more.

    They BLEW THEIR CREDIBILITY.  They went so far over the top with their bullshit that people were able to tune it out as the usual shit.  In this sense, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert were bigger assists to the Democrats than Fox News was to the Republicans.

    If you tuned into Fox News anytime in the last week of the election, (and let's be clear: Fox News is the single largest propaganda organ of the Republican Party, so any failure by them was a huge campaign failure by the Republicans), you would have heard non-stop drivel about Benghazi that made absolutely no sense to somebody that wasn't already part of the brainwashed Republican herd.  

    Because it made no sense as a conspiracy theory.  Black Helicopters coming to steal your guns made more sense, even if it was patently false, because there was at least a smidgeon of sense to why they might want to take people's guns away.  But what implication of any significance could be drawn from Benghazi?  Even if Obama had carefully crafted lies about the import of Benghazi, so the fuck what?

    Fox couldn't think that far ahead.  So they were just blabbering to themselves as if this was a great, election changing GOTCHA moment.  Rather than beating Obama over the head with 7.9% unemployment, which had been the best campaign point Romney had working for him, they went off the deep end into ludicrous bullshit-land.  At the single worst time they could have done so.

    And the rest of the voting public was all ready to tune it out, because we've all seen this happen before and we're immune to it by now, like listening to your favorite crazy uncle at Thanksgiving talking about UFOs.  You sit politely and smile and nod your head and blow it off.

    Add in to that the further reinforcement of all the RAPE-A-PALOOZA.  The Republican defense to this was to say, "Please forgive us, we can't help it, we have these crazy uncles in our party and you should just learn to ignore them.  And say, what about that Benghazi!"

    That's why I think they lost.  They made themselves irrelevant and they threw away the one campaign issue that might have really hurt Obama because they couldn't help themselves.

    •  But they don't care about unemployment, (6+ / 0-)

      or unemployed people, so they didn't see that, IMHO.

      All these well off, secure, employed or subsidized, health care covered, entitled princes and princesses can't see the big issue in front of their faces, because the unemployed are invisible to them. Contemptible losers, even, in their worldview.

      So they'll run with a juicy unfounded conspiracy every time, like the pampered, clueless aristocrats they are, and miss anything outside their own experience.

       Like reality.

      And all the time they are screaming "Deficits! Benghazi! Socialism!", Americans keep chanting, as they have for years now unheeded:  

      "Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs."
      Be a good idea for the Dems to act quickly on this. Now. MHO.

      Life is a school, love is the lesson.

      by means are the ends on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:36:49 PM PST

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      •  Of course they care about unemployment. (2+ / 0-)
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        I don't know where you can get that from.  

        The Republican base isn't made up of Wall Street bankers.  It's made up of poor people who resent the poorer people for holding them down.

        •  Then what was all that moochers and looters talk? (8+ / 0-)

          And let me clarify; sure, Repubs might use unemployment as a campaign slogan, but then they never do one single thing about jobs once in office. Rather, they seem to spend all their energy on trying to legislate social issues, and destroying the government.

          Same thing with deficits. They don't give a damn about deficits, which is why they run them up outrageously.

          All they care about is power and taxes for rich people.

          Jobs? That's a word to say to the rubes to get elected.

          And yeah, you're right, it was stupid of them not to hammer on it in the campaign.  Maybe they simply forgot to pretend like they care.

          I am discussing more the powerful within the party, those making decisions, rather than the base. The base just listens to Fox and hate radio so that they know what to think and be enraged about.

          Life is a school, love is the lesson.

          by means are the ends on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 06:09:33 PM PST

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          •  This is why racism is so effective.l (3+ / 0-)
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            It appeals to the fears of THE POOR that there are POORER people trying to keep them down.  How?  

            It might be explained this way:

            "Well, cuz they're getting all the food stamps and welfare and stuff, and that's why the rest of us have lives that suck!  But we're better than all them blacks and hispanics because we work hard for a living and they don't.  In fact, we work so hard, two jobs and babysitting and sex-camming our wives and stuff, why, it's a sin that all those black people get free phones and shit!  Where's my phone?  Nobody gave me a free phone!"

            I made all that up just now, but it's not very far from what many real republican voters say.

            Here's a classic example of what I mean.  Craig Nelson on Glenn Beck's show, talking about how nobody ever bailed him out and not realizing what a jackass he sounded like:

            "I was on welfare and food stamps.  Did anybody help me out?  NOPE!"

            So Republicans are TOTALLY FINE with government services.  They just assume that it's all those OTHER people that are getting the lion share and they won't put up with it anymore!

            And along come people like Rove and the Koch Brothers, ready to tap into that.

            •  Sure. That's what the Southern Strategy and wedge (3+ / 0-)
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              issues are all about. Pitting groups who actually have common interests against each other while taking advantage of all of them. And pretending to help some of them.

              I simply think those in the power structure of the Repub party are in Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake' territory these days, where either they have forgotten or simply don't realize what is truly of importance any more. What lived reality is for most Americans.

              And there's nothing in their approach that would lead them to care, other than losing elections. So then you end up with a Romney, who seemed to be running for office for no discernible reason. Really, I have no idea. He didn't believe anything. He was running simply to run. To win.

              How hollow, how inhuman. How Republican. MHO.

              Life is a school, love is the lesson.

              by means are the ends on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 09:00:53 PM PST

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    •  "they couldn't help themselves." (3+ / 0-)
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      This was revealed in the second debate. Romney started out on the Bengazi thing about the president not saying "terrorist" as a Gotcha trap, then got smacked when both the President and Candy Crowley said "yes he did - here's the transcript!".

      Why would Romney do that??? Because his briefers drank the kool-aid, bought the right-wing concept that Obama  had misled or was incompetent about Lybia, and they were so excited that it would be the "October Surprise" that Romney talked about in the 47% video.  Believed their own propaganda. And then there's the "preemptive strike" that Romney tried on the eve of the Bengazi problem that he got ahead of and appeared opportunistic....

      Romney, not actually watching the news himself and the details, just bought what his briefers said, and completely believed it, and was stunned to find out he was misled - by chumps. Dogs, Fleas and all that.

      And I can't help but think that Obama and Axelrod saw this coming, either by being smart or having inside info about Romney plans. Obama was way too confident about springing the trap. reverse GOTCHA!. Perfect.

      In front of an audience of, what, 40 million???? This was the moment that the polls reversed.

      And Karl Rove the same way - "What??? Ohio will go to Romney!!!" Yes, Yes !  What???? Can't be!!!  We create our own reality!!!

      Well, Bucko, welcome to the outside world....

      This is endemic to the tea party especially, but to anyone who watches FOX as "news". Their own reality. Sometimes it smacks them in the face and they have no clue why that happened...

      Without geometry, life is pointless. And blues harmonica players suck.

      by blindcynic on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 11:02:18 PM PST

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      •  You do realize they still believe (2+ / 0-)
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        that they were right about Benghazi?  And the amazing thing is, even though they swear up and down that they are right about Benghazi, I think they have no clear idea what the hell they think they're right about, except that there's some skullduggery of some kind, whatever it is.  They were and they are still outraged at Candy Crowley for being partisan -- i.e., not letting Romney proliferate an unfounded and pointless Fox News lie that, even if true, would have no bearing on anything.

        I'm still baffled by it.  I wish I knew somebody like that in real life, somebody who actually gave a shit about this Benghazi business and who wasn't totally brain dead, so I could pick their brains and see what the hell it is that they think is so mind-blowing about it.

  •  There are many factors at work. Generational (10+ / 0-)

    change being one among many but an important one along with the urbanization of the country.  The internet and availability of unmediated information is another.  So maybe  somewhat more than 50% of us work in multicultural America instead of straight white fundamentalist America.  Somewhat more than 50% of us know that we must have a social safety net with health care for everyone and we have a lot of work to do to get there.

    Then of course there is the crazy stuff republicans say all the time that I can't imagine how 40% can believe that stuff.

  •  According to Time magazine, the win was razor (5+ / 0-)

    slim and didn't mean squat or change anything.

    Think it's time to let my 50 year subscription expire.

    Arghhh.

  •  I know this (11+ / 0-)

    When I was in Church.It's a black one.Everyone was pissed off.The dumb rethugs tried to block our votes.

  •  Oklahoma, Utah, W. Virginia... (1+ / 0-)
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    What do these three states have in common? Not a single county voted for Obama...

    Doc: I wish I had some other kind of news to give you.

    by CKOneMD on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 04:30:24 PM PST

  •  Why Republicans Lost (2+ / 0-)
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    They lost for the reason that Kos said:  Romney's a dick.  The fact is that Obama lost nearly 7 million votes from the 2008 election.  Where did those votes go?  Some of them, probably 2 million, disappeared in the mess created by Sandy; the Democratic vote in New York alone was almost a million less in 2012 than in 2008.  But the fact is that Romney couldn't deliver his own people because if he had been able to deliver them, the election might have turned the other way.  But he couldn't.  Because he's a dick and because Limbaugh, Hannity, Rove, Adelson and all the rest of those schmucks each have one vote.

  •  "Anything but the truth" (0+ / 0-)

    that's the point with corporate media unless you mean the corporate and right friendly "truth"

    when I see a republican on tv, I always think of Monty Python: "Shut your festering gob you tit! Your type makes me puke!"

    by bunsk on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:07:05 PM PST

  •  Two things I think media missed (11+ / 0-)

    A. We vote our values first. They think its about money, because it is for them, so they say it is the free stuff, and campaign heavily on the economy. But I vote for civil rights, environmental responsibility, social justice and a level playing field.
    B. We are genuinely fond of our president. We actually like the guy. We like what he's about. They didn't really like their guy. We fought like bastards for a guy we like and I think they didn't expect that.

    "Take the victory and keep on marching"

    by SeattleProgressive on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:16:21 PM PST

  •  Analyst are going to be tallking about this (5+ / 0-)

    election for years and they will analyze  how Obama's campaign was so well managed and how they excuted their plan so well and then laugh like h*ll behind closed doors at the Rmoney campaign because he was this big businessman and knew how to run a successful busines but couldn't manage his own presidential campaign.LOL!LOL!

  •  The reason the GOP... (8+ / 0-)

    ..lost big comes down to Occam's Razor:  The simplest explanation is the correct explanation.

    The simplest explanation is the GOP ran shitty candidates.

    Beginning at the top with Romney, they ran a huge dud.  Romney was, indeed, a dick.  A clueless dick at that.  Romney never stood a chance.  All the polling verifies this fact.

    Then as the ticket progressed downward, the GOP ballot offered nothing but clowns, hucksters & batshit crazies.

    There is nothing complicated or compelling about why the GOP lost so big:  They ran a bunch of idiots who never stood a chance.

    "You just gotta keep on livin man! L-I-V-I-N!" - Wooderson

    by wyvern on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:28:23 PM PST

    •  Not just the candidates, but the brand, too (2+ / 0-)
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      sethtriggs, fumie

      Remember, quite a few long-time incumbants lost too. The GOP has lost much of its shine of late, because the results that it's promised haven't happened. Instead, we have the mess that we're in, which voters are finally connecting to years of GOP misrule. Folks like Romney make this easier to see and harder to deny.

      Romney's "gifts" comment was not just offensive, it was wrong. Groups that Dems have supposedly been bribing with "gifts" have been voting for Dems for years, even when Dems consistently lost. Why are they suddenly winning, then? It's not the "gifts", but that a whole bunch of other voters are finally realizing that the "gifts" that the GOP has been promising them aren't coming. I.e. jobs, better jobs, higher salaries, better benefits, better schools, a sense of hope, etc. Dems, on the other hand, have been delivering them, albeit more slowly than they'd like--and these voters are also realizing that this is due to GOP obstructionism.

      The GOP lost because of karma. What they put out is coming back at them.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:52:48 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yes, the GOP ran shitty candidates (3+ / 0-)
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      Aunt Pat, Chi, Candide08

      Including Mourdock and Akin and Allen and Walsh and Thompson (to name just a few). But let’s focus on Romney, who had all sorts of problems:

      To win the nomination, he had to pretend to be severely conservative. But he really wasn’t (because when he was elected governor of Massachusetts, he pretended to be severely centrist to liberal). The GOP base only grudgingly agreed to vote for him, mostly because he wasn’t Obama – Romney’s not an evangelical (he’s a Mormon!), he supported abortion rights as governor, and so on.

      After he won the nomination, he tried to run to the center (according to Nixon’s rule). This made his base even more confused and pissed off.

      He had that obscenely-rich-person’s sense of entitlement (while arguing against entitlements for poor people). “I’m a rich businessman so I know how to fix the economy. I made a lot of money raiding companies so I know how to create jobs. If I wasn’t smart, would I have all this money?” But I think he looked at the campaigns that his father and mother lost and was very timid about making mistakes – he didn’t want to be like his dad who said he was “brainwashed into supporting the Vietnam War”. So he spouted platitudes about repealing Obamacare and declaring China a currency manipulator, and so on. He didn’t want to release his tax returns or reveal his economic plan. Worst of all, he had no passionate beliefs that I could see.

      Plus, Republicans think lots of money is the answer. The super PACs (created after the Citizens United decision) spent a buttload of money on negative ads in swing states (which did no good). The super PACs also spent a ton on Senate and House races, with almost nothing to show for it. All that money went down the drain. Which makes me happy.

      And Romney was horrible at speaking off the cuff. He said NASCAR owners were his friends and then he made fun of plastic raincoats that looked like garbage bags. He made fun of pastries (saying they came from a 7-11). He made the 47% comment. He tried to be cool by doing “Who Let The Dogs Out” (WTF?). He got confused about the numbers in the debates. And so on.

      I think by trying to avoid mistakes and being bland, he showed that he had no passion. No vision. No plan. No goal except to be elected President. Plus, there’s the bubble of misinformation thing – if you believe hard enough (and pray) maybe you’ll get what you want. Plus, the Republican GOTV killer-app (Orca) was DOA.

      Just my opinion.

      But the angle said to them, "Do not be Alfred. A sailor has been born to you"

      by Dbug on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 08:05:21 PM PST

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  •  The GOP lost big because it got a lot fewer votes (2+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat, Chi

    Duh.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:44:36 PM PST

  •  Nope, didn't lose because they believed their BS (2+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat, Chi

    They lost because they have bad ideas. And, as wyvern said, they ran shitty candidates.

    No mystery here.

    Reality has a well-known liberal bias -- Stephen Colbert

    by ItsaMathJoke on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:47:23 PM PST

  •  I can go with this...the Republicans live(d) (2+ / 0-)
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    Chi, Candide08

    ...in their well healed semi-insulated from the real world and with their deep pockets in tow they want to keep it that way. they like not having to deal with the day-to-day grind...thus they do not want those that do the daily grind thing too close to remind them.  They want control of everything...to keep that control requires that the middle-and-less-class are financially unable to afford the same amenities of the "rich".  That requires a game-plan of take away as opposed to run away. Fortunately for US (unfortunate for them) "troops on the ground trumps waving  $$s...just saying.  Oh, and know they are royally pissed because Obama won and he will make them pay...their fare share of our Democracy...hopefully.

    Our nations quality of life is based on the rightousness of its people.

    by kalihikane on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:51:47 PM PST

  •  It's much simpler than all that (1+ / 0-)
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    Chi

    The GOP lost for the same reason we lost in 2010: more people voted for the other guy.

  •  The Emperor Has No Clothes (1+ / 0-)
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    Candide08

    He should at least be wearing pants.

    No one in the GOP had the stature to to say it. David Frum tried, but they didn't listen.

    Now, perhaps, they are taking a second look. They may allow a little bit of reality to penetrate after all. It is their only chance.

  •  They. Lost. Because. They. Are. Assholes. (2+ / 0-)
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    Chi, RUNDOWN

    I'm sorry, but it really is that simple.

  •  The GOP lost because voters realized that Mitt (2+ / 0-)
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    Chi, RUNDOWN

    Romney was nothing but a DICK!  As were most of the Republican candidates.

  •  We believe our own bullshit, too. (0+ / 0-)

    At least that's how we're seen from their standpoint.  Climate change is a crackpot theory.  Even evolution is just a theory and not based on fact.  They didn't lose because they believed their own bullshit.  Rather, there were just not enough of them.

    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

    by winsock on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 07:24:30 PM PST

  •  I think you've laid it out accurately, (5+ / 0-)
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    bmcphail, Dbug, Aunt Pat, Chi, Candide08

    but you did leave out a few details, but yes, it was because of facts and objective truth, that he lost. But here is my list:

    Romney lost because
    1) He become rich outsourcing American jobs.
    2) He wanted to let GM go bankrupt.
    3) He hid his tax returns.
    4) He had no economic plan.
    5) He was clueless about foreign policy.
    6) The GOP has alienated women and minorities over abortion and immigration [and Equal Pay for Women and equal rights for LGBT]
    7) Romney was denying Global Warming existed right up until Sandy devastated the East coast
    8) Until the GOP gives up on the social issues and starts making proposals that help the middle class instead of the 1%, they'll keep losing.
    9) Because he wanted to dissolve FEMA, right up until Sandy devastated the East coast.

    10) Because he lied and lied and lied .... about things like, Jeep shipping jobs to China ... or that Obama did not call the Libya attack terrorism, when he did ... or flip-flopping on one hundred issues, which makes each flip a lie.

    11) Because Paul Ryan lied and lied and lied during his RNC speech and 25 news sources called him out for this.

    12) Because Romney spoke in an un-statesmen-like manner during the Libya terrorist attack on 9/11 and did not respect the protocols of honoring the memory of the 9/11 WTC attack.

    13) Because Romney is not charismatic.

    14) Because Ryan is not charismatic.

    15) Because their campaign refused to be subject to Fact Checkers.

    16) Because Romney is an immature child and everyone saw this.

    17) Because Romney was a hypocrite when he criticized Obamacare when it was based upon the same model Romney used for MASS.

    And last but not least...

    18) Romney lost because of the Internet, Blogging, and YouTube. In a prior age, his multitude of lies would never have been caught, exposed, and revealed to the world with such acute precision, as we saw with that 47% YouTube video, which was devastating for him.

    (and I am sure there are dozens more)

    But the real reason Romney lost was because Obama was better. Because Obama was brilliant. Because Obama was inspirational. Because Obama and his team were brilliant and organized and motivated, because Obama inspired this, because Obama knew who to pick as his team, and he knew to listen to them, and empower them. Because Obama was smart and hard working and honest and genuine. Romney didn't really loose, rather ... OBAMA WON!!!

    In short: Obama outclassed Romney!

  •  It just couldn't possibly be (2+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat, TampaProgressive

    ..that their policies, ideas, secret plans, and especially their candidates sucked? Could it?

    Occams Razor and all.

    Maybe one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not..

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 07:31:07 PM PST

  •  Meaning of "not conservative enough" (0+ / 0-)

    The idea here is that Real Americans won't turn out to vote if the choice is between two liberals.

  •  Candide, you are also being somewhat... (2+ / 0-)
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    Chi, RUNDOWN

    ... presumptuous.

    The Corporatist Movement is relentless, and they have the best propaganda machine ever devised. Were it not for their domination of the airwaves, Romney would have gotten around 15% of the vote. His ideas weren't just bad; they suggested that the very people from whom he demanded their votes would be despised by him. His voters never seemed to know this. But the propaganda machine bent every phrase and gaff into a glorious triumph, and it nearly worked.

    Day and night, they work on the message. They're relentless, they have an infinite supply of money, and they won't take "No" for an answer. Not this time.

    They'd like nothing more than a race war.

  •  Damn (1+ / 0-)
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    Candide08

    I thought that Anonymous gamed the election.

    At least that's what the top (at this moment) recommended diary claims.

  •  I think you've hit the heart of the matter (2+ / 0-)
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    Chi, Candide08

    They talk to one another. They take down opposing signs and (even a week after the election) peel off bumper stickers. They wear fish on their cars and GOP regalia, and console themselves with Faux news. They truly believe that they are in the majority, so when they lose, it must be cheating.

    Evolution and climate change are way beyond the conversational meaning of the term "theory." They are about as much facts as anything ever is in science, and yet most GOPers deny them.

    The weight of a dozen polls said Obama would win (despite "likely voter" screens that were downright bigoted) and yet they denied them.

    I don't think they will do much talking to anyone but themselves in the next two years, either. We have only ourselves to blame for letting the 08s fly and becoming victims of gerrymandering. If you look at the House results, in the old districts we would have had the Congress back.

  •  The reason for their loss is quite simple: (3+ / 0-)
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    Chi, Candide08, RUNDOWN

    While Republicans cling to their fanatical conservatism, the American electorate has become less conservative because younger Americans, especially Millennials,  are less conservative than older Americans.

    As long as the equation remains that way, Republicans will continue to lose Presidential elections.

    Now we need to figure out how to increase the turnout of younger Americans in midterm elections so that we win the midterms, as well.

    Good diary - tipped and recced.

    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

    by Lawrence on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:46:20 AM PST

  •  Its the policy stupid (1+ / 0-)
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    Candide08

    After all the bullshit is spewed, all the conspiratorial nonsense shoveled and all of dog whistles sounded off - at the end of the day it really is about the policy put forth.

    Also, you can only shout "GET OFF MY LAWN" for so long before people start realizing there really isn't anyone on your lawn.

    We should all applaud the voting public for finally seeing through the numerous layers of heaped on crap that these lying liars were back-hoeing on the political landscape.  

    After the 2010 mid terms, after running on a specific set of promises that were predicated on protecting the middle class from the ills of "big government socialism" that threatened to tax them into poverty and remove their freedom of choice - the GOP took their house majority and used it to try to remove Medicare, increase the retirement age, reinforce and refund corporate welfare, keep the banking industry deregulated, and block anything and everything the President was attempting (when they weren't wasting time renaming gov buildings).  

    They principally ran on a completely inane policy of protecting government socialist programs from the evils of government socialism.  And bizarrely enough - it worked.  The older group of the electorate that dominated mid term voting rolls - completely swallowed this elementary school level con line as if they read it from holy scripture.  

    What. A. Bunch. Of. Dumb. Fucks.

    Thankfully, for the rest of us, the GOP believed their own invincibility - as stated in this diary - and nominated the granddaddy of all liars - Mittens Romney - who just happened to be the biggest serial off-shoring vulture capitalist - and arguably - the biggest contributor to the decline of American domestic industry - as their POTUS candidate.  Moreover, he ran on a jobs platform that was an amplified version of trickle-down voodoo economics with the architect of the plan to end Medicare as his running mate.

    The rest of us who are not dumb fucks, saw what it was that was actually going the fuck on and said "Holy Fucking Shit...  I gotta vote against these lunatics or they're going to destroy this country."  And despite the best efforts from GOP governors, went out and voted against these greedy psychopaths.  

    Ah, but the American voter is fickle and the money behind these assholes is relentless - so the good fight needs to continue to be pressed.  

    It is nice to see these GOP douchebags on the defensive for a change, though.  Applause for the 3 dimensional chess victory.

    Are there no prisons? No workhouses?

    by meatballs on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:30:49 AM PST

  •  They forgot they were running a long con (0+ / 0-)

    And what their real goal was, to snooker large groups of people into voting for them.

    Some of them started telling the truth, forgetting that you can't run a con if you tell the truth, or, as in the case of the hidden video about the 47% the truth was shown far and wide.

    The people that would be hurt by them realized they were being conned, and acted accordingly.

    Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

    by splashy on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:39:16 AM PST

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