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I had long been hesitant to join this site, because I suspected my head was not where this place was at. I am a registered Independent, and I have heard the chant "This site is about electing democrats!" But y'all seem to be ok with Bernie Sanders, so I put my toe in the waters.

Sadly, I see here today, a reluctance to deal with the Israeli/Palestinian issue, when another conflagration ensues. And we very know well what the results will be--probably a ratio of 8 Israelis dead to 500 Palestinians. We know who wields the ultimate power. And we know the US government supports Israel. In words and bucks.

In the election season, both R&D parties avoided talk of climate change and gun control. Too touchy, though in the end, when Sandy sashayed across the stage, some folks were able to squeak about global warming.

Why, in heaven or hell's name, is the Israeli-Palestinian issue so verboten with "reality-based" folks? You can rat on Republicans who deny climate change, but how can you ignore the Israeli/Palestinian elephant on the table?

Imagine the possibilities if we could talk about it. Unafraid if we could be perceived as not towing the unspoken line.

In addition to being a registered Independent, I am also deeply pacifist. I think violence begets violence, and I wish all people would raise their children to forsake violence. But that is not going to happen if people do not speak out on this conflict

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  •  You might want to take a look at this link. (4+ / 0-)
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    Mrs M, kurt, suesue, CJB

    Searching for the word Palestinians yielded over 5,000 diaries since 01/01/2009

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

    by sceptical observer on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 05:26:10 PM PST

  •  There's too much entrenched (3+ / 0-)
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    sceptical observer, Mrs M, kurt

    disagreement.  Normally, I'd encourage people to talk it out, but tempers flare and then people get banned.  

    I steer clear of the topic completely, around here.  We've lost too many liberal allies on this site due to I/P wars.  I don't want to lose any more.

    I certainly understand individual's involvement in the issues of the area, but there are other sites where people can discuss the issue without risk of losing it and getting banned.

    Can you call yourself a real liberal if you aren't reading driftglass?

    by CJB on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:03:45 PM PST

  •  For me it is not a lack of interest, or indeed (3+ / 0-)
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    kurt, winkk, CJB

    anger. It is exhaustion. And ditto what CJB said above. Frankly, I just don't know what to say. Smarter people than I have been worrying this problem since 1948. I hope the links 'sceptical observer' gave you show that we are not an indifferent community.

    •  Yes, exhaustion. (0+ / 0-)

      The first immediate exposure I had to the situation was in 1972.  I was 11 years old.  We were on a long trip and we were spending a couple of nights in Ashkelon on the Israeli coast.  We were on the beach and I could hear noises that I didn't recognize.  I asked a man that was near us on the beach, "What are those sounds?  The popping noises?"  "Oh," he said, "that's just the bombing over in Gaza."  

      It seemed that the bombing was a daily thing for them.  Like traffic sounds.  Forty years ago.  

      Forty years.

      And, diarist, I would just say that you don't appear to want to discuss the situation, either.  You don't seem to be participating in your diary.

      Can you call yourself a real liberal if you aren't reading driftglass?

      by CJB on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 07:56:40 AM PST

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