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House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi couldn't be more clear: The Bush tax cuts for the rich have to expire.
When ABC’s Martha Raddatz asked Pelosi in an interview whether she would accept a deal that did not include tax rate hikes for the rich, the House’s top Democrat had a short answer: “No.”

“The president made it very clear in his campaign that there is not enough—there are not enough resources,” Pelosi said in an interview aired Sunday on ABC's “This Week.

“Just to close loopholes is far too little money … If it's going to bring in revenue, the president has been very clear that the higher income people have to pay their fair share.”

Despite that, House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) is trying to pretend otherwise, telling Fox News anchor Bill Hemmer that Pelosi and President Obama aren't on the same page on the budget.
“What I hear you saying is that the president is not in lock-step with Nancy Pelosi when it comes to tax rates versus revenue meaning and suggesting that he may go along with your deal as opposed to raising tax rates. Do you see that as a possibility?” Hemmer asked.

“I see that as a possibility. I think elections are over. Let’s sit down and find a bipartisan way that we can solve this problem, not go to a fiscal cliff while at the same time have a pro-growth agenda where we grow jobs,” McCarthy said.

Here's what President Obama said about tax cuts for the wealthy in his press conference last Wednesday: "But when it comes to the top 2 percent, what I’m not going to do is extend further a tax cut for folks who don’t need it, which would cost close to a trillion dollars."

That sounds an awful lot like what Pelosi was saying this weekend. Which means, as usual, House Republican leadership is full of shit.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Get me some of whatever McCarthy is smoking (3+ / 0-)
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    phonegery, tinfoilhat, Rolfyboy6

    what a stupid thing to say. The wingnuts never cease to amuse me

  •  President's definition of bipartisan compromise (7+ / 0-)

    differs from Rep. McCarthy's definition.

    And if there’s — one thing that I’m pretty confident about is the American people understood what they were getting when they gave me this incredible privilege of being in office for another four years. They want compromise.

    They wanted action. But they also want to make sure that middle-class folks aren’t bearing the entire burden and sacrifice when it comes to some of these big challenges. They expect that folks at the top are doing their fair share as well, and that’s going to be my guiding principle during these negotiations but, more importantly, during the next four years of my administration.

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    The choice of our lifetime: Mitt Romney, It Takes A Pillage or President Barack Obama, Forward Together.

    by FiredUpInCA on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:41:18 AM PST

    •  The entire notion of "shared sacrifice" being (1+ / 0-)
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      tinfoilhat

      a basis for budget cuts is fucking perverse.

      We've done all the sacrificing for 30 years while the President and the Speakers economic class has taken all the rewards.

      We do not want more "Two from us and one from them" bullshit pawned off on us as compromise.

      "the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared material at these facilities and LOFs."

      by JesseCW on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 01:28:16 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Well put (6+ / 0-)
    (the) "House Republican leadership is full of shit"
    Not the most eloquent line, yet it sums up the situation quite well.
  •  Top TWO percent? (9+ / 0-)

    Muwahaha, moving the goal posts in the correct direction for once!  

    [Terrorists] are a dime a dozen, they are all over the world and for every one we lock up there will be three to take his place. --Digby

    by rabel on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:49:39 AM PST

  •  where's that bar chart (1+ / 0-)
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    tinfoilhat

    that shows how much the Bush tax cuts have cost the country vis à vis total costs for both the mesopotamian fiascos? I've seen it but don't know the source.

    Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. -- Hunter S. Thompson

    by Mnemosyne on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:52:42 AM PST

  •  I'd say: Stop it if you can. Oh, wait. You can't. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    PSzymeczek, librarisingnsf

    And add: See ya in January about that first $250K thing. Later.

  •  Are you surprised? McCarthy's an idiot (3+ / 0-)
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    Randomfactor, Eyesbright, tinfoilhat

    You want a big example of how incompetent Boner and company are, it's the fact that that brainless hack in the #3 ranking Republican in the House.

  •  As if (0+ / 0-)

    House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Crazyville) knows jack-all about what the Minority Leader and the President agree upon.  His head is so far up his own ass he cannot see or hear anything around him.

  •  if our side was really smart then (7+ / 0-)

    Nancy and liberal dems would be calling for a 10% increase in the top tax rate...then obama's 4.5 % is a compromise

  •  Republicans are determined, (9+ / 0-)

    even though they lost the election and more than 70% of the public support tax rate hikes on those making over $200K/year, to enact Romney's economic plan.  They haven't even accepted that at least that number of voters from both parties rejected the idea of cutting "entitlements."  It may not be possible to deter these people from continuing to push Romney's ideas; Democrats might have to exercise the option of going around - or through - them to get a rational agreement.

    Stand firm, Mr. President.  And take your message back to the public, since the GOP didn't get it during the campaign.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:54:56 AM PST

  •  gop will continue screaming for bipartisanship... (1+ / 0-)
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    librarisingnsf

    which we all know means tax cuts for everyone.......wtf

  •  Come on Joan? (0+ / 0-)

    You can't keep claiming that the Republican leadership is not being honest.  The facts just don't back up what you are claiming.  They are only looking after the best interests of America and it is only a matter of time before the un-American American's agree with them.

    /snark

    Republicans - they measure our national success by corporate profit margin, not the well being of the citizens.

    by egarratt on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:56:33 AM PST

  •  Actually "just closing loopholes"... (0+ / 0-)

    would have a much greater effect on the deficit than the raising taxes on the wealthy. "Loopholes" is a dumbed-down title for closing tax expenditures, or federal spending through the tax code (rather than appropriations). It would also be felt most by the working poor and the middle class....which is why Romney was in favor of it.

    Taxes on the wealthy need to go up, but let's not pretend that alone going to put a huge dent in our deficit.

    •  "Just closing loopholes" (3+ / 0-)
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      ferg, Eyesbright, FindingMyVoice

      also takes time - it amounts to opening up the tax code to reform guaranteed to bring on extended debate, unlike a rate hike.  The last time congress overhauled the tax code it took two years.  Raising the top rates also has the added benefit of showing the public that the president is determined to keep his promise.

      Take your message on the road, Mr. President.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:09:49 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Keep using that scary word (3+ / 0-)
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    tb mare, Randomfactor, MBramble

    "Fiscal cliff".

    Fiscal bluff is the best alternative I've seen, as that's all it is. We're calling your bluff.

  •  Problem is (2+ / 0-)
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    Eyesbright, JerryNA

    Bills that have to do with revenues and spending originate in the House and because the Republicans are the majority, they control what hits the floor, what dies in committee.
    So their delusional state. while entertaining, is an indicator that even after January 20th, we ill still have a tough time getting anything accomplished with these jerks at the wheel.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:02:23 AM PST

  •  Tax the rich. (0+ / 0-)

    Tax the eff out of them.

  •  Blah (0+ / 0-)

    I have heard this rhetoric from the Democrats for years and years.

    Talk is cheap.

  •  hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhah, (3+ / 0-)
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    tinfoilhat, FindingMyVoice, MBramble

    GASP.  These guys are killin' me.  THIS:

    "I think elections are over. Let’s sit down and find a bipartisan way that we can solve this problem, not go to a fiscal cliff while at the same time have a pro-growth agenda where we grow jobs,” McCarthy said.
    So an election is like Christmas, once it's over you take the tree down and forget about it.  Like the GOP has been all about "sitting down in a bipartisan way."

    The GOP is unintentionally hilarious in defeat.

    "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

    by StellaRay on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:06:49 AM PST

  •  Call them out every time on "pro-growth" and (3+ / 0-)
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    Eyesbright, MBramble, JerryNA

    "growing jobs" rhetoric.  They didn't do it, they never did it.  Period.  It's a lie. Every time they use those phrases should be a teachable moment for the American public. Do. Not . Back. Down.  

    Life is good. Injustice? Not so much.

    by westyny on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:08:15 AM PST

  •  Spending cuts have to be (2+ / 0-)
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    ferg, JerryNA

    limited and responsible -- i.e. eliminating waste rather than crippling programs just for the sake of achieving some holy ratio of spending cuts to revenue increases. All the ratio talk needs to be banned IMO. The President and the House Dem. leaders should be working for a deal with minimal cuts. And once that's passed, propose additional spending on infrastructure, research, education, which, by stimulating the economy, will be a faster path to deficit reduction.

  •  Obama credibility (and 2014) at risk on this (3+ / 0-)
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    Eyesbright, MBramble, tinfoilhat

    If Obama and the Democrats in Congress DO NOTHING, Obama's campaign promise from 4 years ago will finally be fulfilled - the Bush tax cuts on the rich will expire on January 1.  The only way for Obama NOT to fulfill his 4 year old campaign promise is for him to cave on this.  If he does cave on this - regardless of how he dresses it up, regardless of whatever rationale or spin he attempts to justify the caving - President Obama will lose credibility with both his political opponents (He's (still) a push-over in their (private) opinions.) and his political supporters.   Many of the hundreds of thousands of OFA Get Out the Vote arms and legs, dialing fingers and canvassers will feel duped and less inclined to "heed the call" in 2014.  Both the President and Congressional Democrats have a LOT at stake on this.  If they fail (again), it will not be pretty.

  •  Samuelson this morning is on the same (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    MBramble

    'this is what Obama has to do' kick.  Doncha know it means cutting Social Security and Medicare?  I thought when the election was over I would stop screaming at the TV - nope and this morning I was screaming at the newspaper.

  •  I guess I'm missing the part of the story (0+ / 0-)

    Where a minority leader in the House has negotiating leverage. The truth is the deal will happen between the Republican majority in the house, the democratic majority in the Senate, and the President.

  •  Hahaha, the 1%ers are looking to run: (2+ / 0-)
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    MBramble, a2nite

    1. Secession - Yeah, that's gonna work. In a pig's eye.

    2. Self-Deportation - To where?

    English- speaking countries:
    Canada - Socialist Hahahaha!
    Australia - Socialist, hoo hoo hah hah!
    New Zealand - Yeah, sure!
    U.K. - Socialist again! Whooops, dear!
    Ireland - Green, but still socialist!
    South Africa - Blah people, uh oh!
    Jamaica - Hey Mon, why white people wanna come here?
    Cayman Islands - All the properties are bought up.
    Virgin Islands - UK or US?
    Bermuda - Rising blub blub sea levels...
    Bahamas - Blub blub blub...
    Belize - Proximity to Latin America...
    Costa Rica - It IS Latin America.
    South America - Don't want no more gringos.

    You 1%ers are kinda stuck.

    Pay your taxes, wimps.

    TAX the income-rich, corporate persons, and politically-active religious groups until their leaders' eyes collectively bulge out!

    Meh. 1%ers.

    Ugh. --UB.

    "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

    by unclebucky on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:28:57 AM PST

  •  You Go, Nancy! (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    It is time for the filthy rich to stop lighting their stogies with hundred dollar bills and act responsibly!  Exactly how patriotic are these "job creators"anyway?

  •  Mr. Kevin McCarthy, (2+ / 0-)
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    MBramble, JerryNA

    You might represent my district in California, but know well I did not vote for you.

    Why? Because you and the rest of your party are full of it. You are in a bubble. You do not represent me. You do not represent my values or what I see is the path to a better America and Kern County.

    You're also only in the position you're in because of being former Rep. Bill Thomas's underling.

    Even my brother, who is a registered republican, voted for a straight democratic ticket 2012... because contrary to what that "fair and balanced" shit says, my brother knows that Obama+Democrats is trying to achieve a balanced approach to fixing the nation's finances without putting the programs that many people rely on to get by on the cutting block.

    He would have voted for Gary Johnson if I didn't link him to Johnson's wiki page that described all his stances on things.

    Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

    by Future Gazer on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:37:35 AM PST

  •  Corporate America and the "Job Creators" (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    ..are growing increasingly incensed at the unmitigated gall of this woman and that of the uncooperative black guy with the Oval Office.

    Commencing hissy-fit now.

    Start with the Wall Street Journal and FOX "News" and then onto the Sunday "serious people" blither-fests. Move on to investing elsewhere on the globe where people "understand free markets" and reducing workforces here even more.

    I'm a little concerned that the Wall Streets and Park Avenue Masters of the Universe are going to double-down with the PAC money in 2014 and surprise us, since it could well be a prudent and profitable investment and our campaign finance laws are insane post Citizens United.

    Maybe one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not..

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:16:05 PM PST

  •  Step slowly away from the crack-pipe (0+ / 0-)

    What I hear you sayings What the voices in my head are screaming is that the president is not in lock-step with Nancy Pelosi when it comes to tax rates versus revenue meaning and suggesting that he may go along with your deal as opposed to raising tax rates. Do you see that as a possibility?” Hemmer asked.

    Maybe one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not..

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:23:30 PM PST

  •  Hey! Look over there! (1+ / 0-)
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    JerryNA

    The tax breaks Bush and Obama have given the rich (themselves) are disgusting - but that's not the bar for people who actually give a shit about others.

    "No cuts to services for the poor and elderly" is far more fucking important, and we're not hearing it from much anyone but Sanders.

    Raising Warren Buffets taxes would in no way justify taking free lunch away from one kid.  Getting a million out of Bill Gates wouldn't somehow make it ok to take raise out of pocket costs a dime for Vets on Tricare for life.

    I can't understand how a person can go through life worrying more about what's good for wealthy politicians than about what's good for people who are suffering.

    "the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared material at these facilities and LOFs."

    by JesseCW on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 01:26:08 PM PST

    •  tax rates for everyone are likely to go up (0+ / 0-)

      Harry Reid has already said no messing around with SS.

      With public pressure from the left (labor unions are applying a TON of pressure), the democratic leaders,senators, and congresspeople will not approve any deal. The right wing will not accept ANYTHING.

      next year, with Democratic senators elizabeth warren and others, we should be in a good shape to move away from lingering corporatism and towards sanity and progressvism.

      The left needs to organize and be influential long term. The left needs to build its infrastructure. I think its off to a good start.

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