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Congressman Paul Ryan after being introduced by Mitt Romney as vice presidential choice, 11 August 2012
Unfortunately, he hasn't gone away.
Mr. Wonky McNumbers Wonk, the guy who couldn't figure out how to analyze the polling to see that he and Mitt Romney were losing, "remains a fiscal force." At least, that's what the New York Times says.
Speaker John A. Boehner has tapped Mr. Ryan, who has returned to his post as the House Budget Committee chairman after an unsuccessful run for vice president, to help strike a deal to avoid big tax increases and spending cuts by the end of the year, and to bring along fellow Republicans.

“He helps us toward creating a product,” said Senator Rob Portman, Republican of Ohio, “and he helps sell the product.” [...]

With his new muscle and increased respect from his colleagues, Mr. Ryan could conceivably scuttle any deal if he loudly opposes a solution that the speaker and the top Republican leaders embrace. But his conservative base might rebel against him if he were to endorse any deal seen as awarding too much to Mr. Obama and the Democrats, particularly on tax rates. Some Republicans think the pitfalls are dangerous enough that Mr. Ryan might consider leaving Congress altogether to work on his policy agenda without the inherent headaches of the Hill.

“He has to think about what he wants his role to be,” said Representative Tom Cole of Oklahoma. “Is he going to run in 2016, or run for something else in Wisconsin, or play a bigger role in the House? He’s going to play an outsize role here because of the national profile he now has, but on the other hand, this conference is quite happy to act independently.”

If you need to know how desperate Republicans are for a "product," this is all you need to know. They would hitch their wagon to the guy whose budget plan was so toxic, he basically wasn't allowed to talk about it on the campaign. He's also the guy who lost.

Oh, and if you need more information to determine that House Speaker John Boehner's position on "increased revenue" is pretty much bullshit, Ryan is supporting it, with a hyper-partisan, "no-way-in-hell-will-I-compromise" twist, with this statement from his spokesperson:

“Speaker Boehner has outlined a bipartisan way forward to avoid the ‘fiscal cliff’ and get our economy growing with common-sense entitlement reform coupled with pro-growth tax reform. We can find common ground on responsible spending restraint and greater revenue through economic growth, but we have yet to see either a serious plan or leadership from President Obama.”
Ah, leadership, Republican-style. Of course, Ryan is what classifies as a brainiac for Republicans, so he might as well be their new leader.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:45 PM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Ryan Can't Think His Way Out Of A Water Paper Bag (7+ / 0-)

    Look if his budget had cuts and spending for programs I don't agree with that is one thing. But his numbers don't even add up. I can't wrap my mind around I'm some random dude in rural IL with an Internet connection and I can see this but all the "smart" people on TV generally treat him like he is some numbers and "budget wonk."

    You can't be called a "budget wonk" if you can't add. I mean I do web sites for a living, that is like me being called a "web site wonk" and I don't know how to code basic HTML and CSS.

    This all just hurts my head ...........

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:53:28 PM PST

    •  If I may quote you... (3+ / 0-)
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      webranding, ardyess, phonegery
      You can't be called a "budget wonk" if you can't add. I mean I do web sites for a living, that is like me being called a "web site wonk" and I don't know how to code basic HTML and CSS.

      This all just hurts my head ...........

      Yeah, this hurts me head too!
      •  It Is About Honesty. Again (5+ / 0-)

        if he wanted cuts and spending in areas I don't agree with that, as long as the numbers added up, well that is a policy difference. I can handle policy differences.

        But his numbers don't add up. I mean he had to include a memo to the OMB to tell them how to score his budget (WTF BTW) so the numbers kind of added up.

        Look I presented a huge project (web site) to a client today. They were so happy. Elated. But the devil is in the details and some of the site wasn't rendering the way it should/I wanted.

        They didn't notice it, cause well they don't do what I do for a living. But I POINTED it out as a problem that would need to be fixed, cause well my code (like budget numbers) didn't "add up."

        And if somebody that did what I do for a living looked at it, they would notice it in seconds.

        I am not a budget wonk but it doesn't take me long to see his number don't compute. That folks that get paid to tell me on TV and in print what I should think don't get this is beyond me.

        It is just a waste of my/our time to even talk about what he'd cut until he addresses his numbers don't add up.

        When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

        by webranding on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 03:20:34 PM PST

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        •  Sorry CBO, Not OMB n/t (2+ / 0-)
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          shinobi9, phonegery

          When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

          by webranding on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 03:24:22 PM PST

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        •  I could not agree more. (0+ / 0-)

          If we have "policy disagreements" with the Republicans then at least we can have a mutually respectful civil informative debate wherein we present our respective cases (our reasoning and the relevant facts) and assess the will of the people... but if someone's math does not add up, then they are not qualified to even participate in the debate.

          I find Ryan's blatant refusal to respect the basic mathematics of Budgetary Procedure by providing the necessary details for an objective analysis, to be deeply offensive in ways that I can hardly contain. I have built budget systems for corporations, and so, like you, the objective discipline inherent to such practice is ingrained in my psyche, such that, my head really does scream "NOOOO!!!", when I listen to Ryan speak. It really does hurt to listen to him.

          And then, after the election, he had the audacity to make the false claim about the "Republicans still have the mandate because they still retain control of the House," when everyone who is paying attention knows that they only retained control because of gerrymandering!

          Please!!!

          We really need to fix this gerrymandering thievery so that we can regain control of the House. We need to regain control of the House anyway, but that gerrymandering really REALLY offends me to no end.

          Yes, it most certainly IS ABOUT HONESTY!!!

          •  Real debate? Nah dawg. (0+ / 0-)

            I would honestly love it if the conservative movement in this country was actually intellectually honest and engaged in substantive debate.  Please, conservatives, I'm sure there's at least some research out there that could potentially support your contention that higher taxes on the wealthy would depress the economy.  Then we'd have a chance to pull out our research and historical data and toss digits back and forth, and ultimately the policies we developed as a result would be stronger and with a greater foundation in reality.

            Instead, all we get is this "We know better than you because of course we do" crap, and when we pull out our data you just ignore it and start yelling "CLASS WARFARE" and "MAKERS VERSUS TAKERS" with your fingers in your ears.  When I was in debate in high school, that was the kind of behavior that would get a team kicked out of the room and handed a whole stack of default losses.  But in politics, apparently it gets you appointed to head committees.

            "O mulier, magna est fides tua. Fiat tibi sicut vis."

            by rujoking on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 05:37:58 AM PST

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        •  He should be the Run From guy. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          OooSillyMe

          Ryan talks a good game about balancing the budget, but he does not acknowledge that Clinton did get a surplus with a higher tax rate than Ryan is willing to think about.

          As for the "bipartisan" deal he's talking about, does he mean that the Democrats are representing thier constituents' interest, or that the Washington insiders are too taxphobic and perhaps too contemptuous of the Democratic base to be truly bipartisan?

          The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

          by Judge Moonbox on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:13:35 PM PST

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      •  or be half-ass able to interpret political polls (1+ / 0-)
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    •  What passes for a wonk for House Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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      smiley7, phonegery

      ... is somebody who can count past ten without taking off his shoes and socks.  

      Ryan is a liar who takes his talking points from his political masters.  Their house propaganda organs then send forth the flying monkeys to endlessly burnish his reputation as a "serious" "budget wonk," so their self-serving policies as delivered by Ryan then get chin-rubbing consideration from the pundits employed by the media outlets they own.

      Pravda would be proud.

      Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

      by Dallasdoc on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 04:02:41 PM PST

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    •  *wank... There fixed... :) nt (3+ / 0-)
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      JeffW, dservgun, Shippo1776

      'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

      by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 08:55:13 PM PST

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    •  I hope he gets a calculator for Christmas (0+ / 0-)

      Boy, what a surprise awaits if he uses it.

      He's not a wonk - he's a punk.

      Punks end up getting their due.

      "Good morning, brothers Koch. I see you're doing well. If I had me a shotgun, I'd blow you straight to hell." w/apologies to R. Hunter

      by RUKind on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 08:34:22 PM PST

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    •  Ryan was never serious about the deficit (0+ / 0-)

      Ryan echoed the Republican party line that the Pentagon spending not only doesn't need to decrease, but needs to increase substantially.   Just because the Cold War has been over for 20 years doesn't mean we don't need all that pork barrel spending, and the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are winding down significantly, though they're far from over.

      So is he willing to raise taxes to pay for his party's wars, and for previous generations of bipartisan pork barrel to continue?  Nope.   I don't know if he actually wants to increase the Pentagon budget or if he's just echoing the party line because the VP candidate is supposed to shut up and not try to make policy, but either way he's not taking responsibility for that spending choice.

  •  The American Public rejected it... so here it is! (9+ / 0-)

    Yep that's right, totally toxic Ryan, back for another go at running the country after we told him HELL NO.

    This guy's harder to get rid of than a New York City Cockroach.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:58:14 PM PST

  •  This P90X poseur a wonk??? Wile E. Coyote should (4+ / 0-)

    magically appear overhead to drop an ACME anvil on any MSM journo-dunce who uses the word 'wonk' in connection with Ryan. His aborted shot at Veep abundantly showed his inability to A) do simple math; B) bullshit his way around his craptastic budget's gaping moral, mathematical & policy holes.

    He's a punk Randian asshole who connected with approximately .0001% more voters than Mitt did. Sure, GOP...go ahead: Pick him to be your leader!

    Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

    by earicicle on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 03:02:12 PM PST

  •  Ryan's is Wall Street's golden boy (1+ / 0-)
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    Dallasdoc

    "I’m telling you, this guy [Paul Ryan] is amazing. I always thought I was okay with arithmetic. This guy can run circles around me. He is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did by four trillion dollars," Erskine Bowles, Sept. 2011.

    "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

    by smiley7 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 03:30:03 PM PST

  •  like the pic: (0+ / 0-)

    keepin' his mouf clozed after goin' out and eatin' all that buncho worms of not-victory.

    lil' wormy tail or head can't eskape those muskly strong lips clampded shut and stuff.

    ennybodie dress as WMcNW on howloweenie ?

    whuduz he look liek in palin specs ? ennybodie care to play the fotoshop gamez ?

    * Join: The Action: End the Bush Tax Cuts for Richest Two Percent * Addington's Perpwalk: TRAILHEAD of Accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.

    by greenbird on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 03:31:18 PM PST

  •  bi partisan shit. Dear Mr. Presdent: (2+ / 0-)
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    ardyess, Dallasdoc

    please flush away any ideas you may have had about getting an agreement, at least not one you can sell to your supporters.

    that turd that's stinking up the bowl was just laid by Ryan/Boehner. the sooner you flush, the clearer the atmosphere will be.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 03:51:21 PM PST

  •  C'mon..... give the guy a break since (0+ / 0-)

    it seems as though he's trying to find the time to get the stench off of himself......

  •  The fun part about all this ... (1+ / 0-)
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    phonegery

    ...the Dems need do only nothing and tax rates reset back to what they were. No muss, no fuss. So easy a caveman can do it and fortunately we won't need any cavemen for this, i.e. Republicans.

    Only the weak & defeated are called to account for their crimes.

    by rreabold on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 04:29:54 PM PST

  •  All Democrats need is 20 Republicans in (0+ / 0-)

    bluish districts.

    We got this.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 04:19:57 AM PST

  •  Biden needs to call Ryan a sore loser first chance (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    he gets with Ryan digging his heels in on the GOP budget.   Americans like to see the losing ticket go away - Ryan wants to re-fight the election all over again.  

    Dems have the raw numbers on their side - Dems won House "popular vote" by 500,000 votes.  That means only GOP gerrymandering saves them the House majority.  

    They have the billionaires, We have the Big Dog!

    by Jacoby Jonze on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:18:55 PM PST

  •  Why the hell does anyone let the GOP get away (0+ / 0-)

    with saying they're okay with increased tax revenue but not increased tax rates? What the fuck does it matter what the rate is if people pay more in taxes?

    Code Monkey like freedom / Code Monkey like peace and justice too
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    Code Monkey like you!

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    by Code Monkey on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:19:00 PM PST

  •  'CONS if Ryan is your follow up to Mitt Good Luck (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    Get rid of one fool and put in another.

    Psst!!!......Mittens you are more of a poor loser than I thought.

    by wbishop3 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:20:11 PM PST

  •  Ryan Can Keep Refusing To Explain his "Budget" nt (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:20:52 PM PST

  •  Thelma and Louise .... off the cliff we go .... (4+ / 0-)
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    stephdray, JeffW, Shippo1776, a2nite

    ... if they dare, because this time Thelma and Louise will have a back seat full of Republicans, including Ryan and the Boner, with the Ds standing on the edge looking over.  And the country will know who was driving the insane-mobile.

  •  They're starting the project to re-build Ryan (2+ / 0-)
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    IndyinDelaware, a2nite

    This is the beginning to remove the Rmoney stank of failure, because he's still the planned candidate for 2016. He's going to be put on as many committees as possible, and propped up as the knowledgeable expert, and made the public face on news to make him appear 'statesmanlike'.

    Ryan/Walker 2016!!

    Fordstradamus

    An official Fordstradamus prediction!!!

    New Arizona state motto; 'Yeah, but it's a dry hate!'

    by Fordmandalay on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:21:20 PM PST

  •  Looks like his teleprompter (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JeffW

    is telling him what to say. Repubes are such hypocrites.

  •  Do nothing..... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JeffW

    Bush tax cuts expire.   Then let him oppose tax cuts for the poor and middle class.

    Let the sequester happen....  With President Obama able to reprogram funds for a while.   To our priorities, not his?

    See how long it takes before he squeals...

    Oh, and see Krugman's public service announcement...

    Paul Ryan is a con man...

  •  "Fiscal force"? (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    More like fiscal farce.  

    You also have to love his idea of "bipartisanship"--when Democrats agree to do what Republicans want.

  •  Question: What happened to him before Nov. 5? (0+ / 0-)

    During the last couple weeks of the campaign he just vanished. To borrow a quote from Charles Pierce, he was so little seen on TV you'd think he was running against Alexander Stephens for the Vice Presidentcy of the Confederacy.

    I know he got his ass stomped by Biden in the debate, but I didn't think he was that toxic enough that he basically was black-bagged from TV appearances. All they seemed to have him do was appear at Mitt rallies, like all they trusted him to do was gin up the base. Then again, that does fit the "run to the middle and hope no one notices" ploy Mitt did from the first debate onward.

    In short, if the GOP didn't trust him in the public eye for the crunch time before the election, why would they trust him now? Especially since he has no credibility anymore and is simply a loser running mate.

    Oh and added note; you can tell Biden just loved kicking the shit out of him in the debate. Against Palin, Biden restrained himself because he didn't want to look like a misogynistic bully. Against Ryan he had no limitations and since he really doesn't like the little prick, he just laid into him. And you can tell it really messed up Ryan, since Golden Boy is so used to verbal blowjobs from his fellow GOPers and the Beltway crowd that he wilts like a daisy when someone criticizes him.

    •  Perhaps that is the point (0+ / 0-)

      The Republicans already know that they are going to have to let taxes go up on higher incomes. Who better to take the fall for it then the losing VP candidate who is already disliked by most Americans? Ryan is known as the serial exaggerator. He has no credibility and I think that point is hardly lost on the GOP leadership.

  •  This actually guarantees top Bush cuts expire..... (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, a2nite

    There is NO WAY Obama is going to cater or negotiate with Paul Ryan.

  •  Boehner shoved the knife... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    kovie, a2nite

    ...into his own back, by putting Ryan in charge of the budget negotiations. Anything that the House send to the President, assuming it were survive the Senate, would be veto bait. We'll hit the fiscal curb, all of the Bush tax cut extensions will finally die, and John Boehner will be ousted as Speaker, with the Republicans possibly losing their majority in 2014. The real question is whether Ryan will take the Speakership, or Cantor will get it by seniority, and how much fight will occur between them.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:27:51 PM PST

  •  Public Service Reminder: Paul Ryan is a Con Man (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, tardis10, Shippo1776

    According to no other than Paul Krugman, who knows some economics stuff:

    The fact is that Ryan is and always was a fraud. His plan never added up; it was never, contrary to what people who should know better asserted, “scored” by the CBO. What he actually offered was a plan to hurt the poor and reward the rich, actually increasing the deficit along the way, plus magic asterisks that supposedly reduced the debt by means unspecified.
  •  NO! wait...yes! I mean, like... (2+ / 0-)
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    commonmass, Ref

    Paul Ryan is right, but he's...like... too liberal!  Yeah! Too liberal.  Hitch the Repug wagon to that star: find a Paul Ryan who is more conservative, who wants lady-parts under more federal control, but less regulation and less corporate control, except control of lady-parts and you know, workers are lazy, so no minimum wage and...America! We're number One. sorry about belching.

  •  lying Ryan n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW
  •  There Could Be An Element Here (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    commonmass, JeffW

     Of the republicans looking at the demographics of the country and the last election and realizing they are going over the cliff, so they reach up and grab the sweater of the other guy as they go off.

      If everything deteriorates really, really, really bad then they can run as the law and order party.

  •  Let's just say that as a budget expert (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, tardis10

    Paul Ryan is a very mediocre marathon runner.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:31:24 PM PST

  •  Sell us your product? (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, alicia, dharmafarmer

    This is about our country, our evolution, didn't you get the message of the last election....it was only two weeks ago!

    "Your image of God creates you." Richard Rohr

    by createpeace on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:31:37 PM PST

  •  There is nothing--NOTHING--more unattractive (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, tardis10, dfe

    than a man who doesn't know when the party is over. The only person who could pull that off in my lifetime, IMO, is Bill Clinton. That's because he's a freaking rock star and a two term President.

    We've got Ryan, McCain, countless others who simply don't know when the party is over. Like Gingrich, for instance, or Rove and Norquist. Or That man down in Florida whom I won't mention.

    If there were anything more unattractive than a man who doesn't know when the party is over, it's a guy like Paul Ryan who on top of poor social skills, is being used like Carrie at a Prom.

    Ouch.

  •  Only in the GOP do losers get rewarded (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, a2nite

    I think I need to switch parties.

  •  Lyin' Ryan -- A Horse's Ass (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JeffW

    I thank God everyday that Lyin' Ryan is not the VP.

  •  The Lameness of the New York Times (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JeffW, a2nite

    You had to be there in the Eighties when the NYT first decided to start calling women "Ms." when they referred to themselves that way, and calling them "gay" when they referred to themselves that way.

    In each case, the Times announced it like something earth shattering had occurred. God had touched his finger to Adam.  Women and LBGT had come a long way, baby, to get where they got to today!  They've got their own moniker now, baby, they've come a long, long way!

    Not even people with borderline personality disorder take themselves as seriously as the Times takes itself.

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:40:56 PM PST

  •  He doesn't have a plan, has never had a plan (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    and will never offer a plan other than cutting taxes and slashing entitlements. That's a philosophy, not a plan.

    His economic theories have no policies to point to as proof that they've ever worked, while there's plenty of evidence that prove that they don't.

    Let him prove his plan. Raise revenues now. If the theory holds water, we might now need to cut entitlements.  : )

    "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

    by sceptical observer on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:45:20 PM PST

  •  There's no better example of bassackwards-ness (0+ / 0-)

    of Ryan than his 'smile' that's really a frown. It's a perfect symbol of how everything is the opposite in Republikistan. In the mirror universe of Republikistan, destroying Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid is really saving them, shipping jobs overseas is really helping American workers, cutting taxes brings in more revenue, etc. And yes, a frown is really a smile.

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire.

    by JWK on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:46:49 PM PST

  •  I Think It's Obvious Now (0+ / 0-)

     The republicans will have serious trouble winning a presidential election unless things are really fucked up bad. Through their filibuster and belligerence they managed to make things kinda fucked up but that was not good enough to win. Now they have to go for really fucked up bad. That's their only hope.

    •  I think it's just the opposite. (0+ / 0-)

      The only way they have even the slim hope of a chance is to participate in our governance in a meaningful way.  The People know which party is the impediment to progress.  Republicans won't do themselves any favors by continuing to dig in their heels.

  •  Republicans want to peddle.... (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    our well being as a "product"....fitting that they run used car salesmen for office. Ugh.
    (sincere apologies to used car salesmen)

    We're walking temples of noise, and when you add tender hearts to this mix, it somehow lets us meet in places we couldn't get to any other way.-Anne Lamott

    by alicia on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:49:32 PM PST

  •  he's another good example of (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JeffW, tardis10

    what dumb people think a smart person sounds like.

  •  Typo There (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, tardis10, Shippo1776

    Should read, "remains a fiscal farce." -- The Editor.

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    by Limelite on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:51:59 PM PST

  •  Call me back when Ryan learns some arithmetic. (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    As of now, he can't add 2+2, much less put a real budget for the United States together.

    Like Pres wannabe, Romney, VP wannabe Ryan is nothing more than a con man.

  •  Good, is my first reaction (2+ / 0-)
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    dharmafarmer, JeffW

    If he is leading the Republicans against compromise, won't that make it likelier for us to go off the cliff?  I'm starting to feel that would be the best thing for all of us.

    Republicans want to make government small enough to fit in your vagina..

    by ramara on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:56:18 PM PST

  •  First off, (1+ / 0-)
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    there are only 19 working days left in the House session.  How does he think he can get an agreement on comprehensive "entitlement reform" and "tax reform" accomplished within that timeframe.  Each of those would be a gigantic undertaking in its own right.  Magical Republican thinking...again.

  •  Needs to be a "Remember When They Said"... (0+ / 0-)

    ...campaign at some point, sooner rather than later. Pointing out all the faux humble pie shit they spewed right after the election while elevating guys like Cruz and keeping Ryan right up there at the top of Budget.

    They'll never stop thinking the American public is totally stupid until they are crushed by their own words and actions.

    No time like the present to stick it to them and keep stickin' it to them.

    Ich bin ein Wisconsiner!

    by Apphouse50 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:02:30 PM PST

  •  Biden says it best when referring to (1+ / 0-)
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    Paul Ryan's budget..."a bunch of malarkey".

  •  So... (0+ / 0-)

    Ryan and Boehner define what "bipartisan" means.  Interesting times indeed.

    The question, as Krugman outlined, is whether or not the media take Ryan's status as the Wizard of Wonk seriously, after what ought to have been a humiliating campaign.  I suspect they will; the narrative of both sides having equally valid and well-thought out ideas is a powerful one, and the alternative to supporting that narrative is for media stars to actually get down into the numbers and figure out which side's numbers don't work.  That's not easy, and it would make the conservative media machine pout and rage, so the Wizard of Wonk Ryan will be, is my bet.   Besides, the Beltway has a real fetish for hacking up the safety net, which is something they share with Ryan.  

    My tell on Ryan's status within the Beltway is Ezra Klein.  If he starts vouching for Ryan again, as he used to do until the last couple of months  of the campaign, when Ryan had said too many dishonest things for anyone to cover up, you'll know which way the wind is blowing.  Doesn't say much for Klein, but then, he wasn't hired by the Wapo because they thought he would stick to principles of truth and so on -- quite the opposite, in fact.  

    Out here in the fields...

    by Martin Gale on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:07:35 PM PST

  •  Qualifications are Optional (0+ / 0-)

    if you can spout the approved Party Bullshit and get
    the Village Idiots to make Donations.

    Just think about Michelle Bachmann sitting on the
    "Intelligence" Committee.

    Mr. Wonky will just scribble some numbers with His New
    Box of Crayons and the Rapepublicans will try to Sell It.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:14:45 PM PST

  •  Ryan can't get enough of Biden spanking him (0+ / 0-)

    Obama should set up a meeting with ryan where the meeting room is entirely empty except for Biden.

  •  All he did was join a depressing, losing campaign, (0+ / 0-)

    commit several gaffes himself, and get re-elected to his old position, for some unfathomable reason. For this, he has “muscle”?

    It's a mad, mad, mad world.

  •  If Lyin' R'Ayn is your best guy on the budget, (1+ / 0-)
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    you're in deep shit as a Party.

    "Life is short, but long enough to get what's coming to you." --John Alton

    by Palafox on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 08:03:11 PM PST

  •  Paul Ryan? I thought we fired that guy. (0+ / 0-)

    I like firing people!-Mitt Romney

  •  'New Muscle and increased Respect"??? (0+ / 0-)

    and who do they think believes this?
    are Ryan and Co.  going to wear an even thicker layer of 'yeah we believe ourselves' cake make-up this session?
    because  no matter HOW thick it is, everyone sees right through it.
    talk about the little emperors having no clothes....
    and we will call you out on it every. single .day.

  •  note to GOP: Paul Ryan didn't even make a dent in (0+ / 0-)

    the Obama /Biden win. Paul Ryan  lost. the only thing he was able to push was a workout routine. No one is going to listen to him. really.

  •  budget klutzes (0+ / 0-)

    ...isn't there a three stooges bit where each of them tries to  hide behind the other two? boehner and mcconnell are trying to hide behind ryan. to switch from the stooges to an old commercial for a metaphor, if ryan buys a deal, the other two get to say, "see, mikey likes it!"...

    "Every journalist who is not too stupid or too full of himself to notice what is going on knows that what he does is morally indefensible." - Janet Malcolm

    by slangist on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:11:24 PM PST

  •  The Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    are just doing what they always do.  The fault here lies with our political media who can't stop repeating Republican fluffing and their own ridiculous script.  The campaign exposed Ryan as a hollow, ambitious liar.  Now, though, the Villagers want to forget that and go back to their conceit that he is an "intellectual."

    There's no cure for stupid, and won't be if you keep cutting the funding for the research.

    by Ref on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:26:07 AM PST

  •  this story makes me shiver (0+ / 0-)


    with the thought that we might have had this guy as our vice president and we would be inaugurating Mittens McMillions in a few weeks.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 05:21:07 AM PST

  •  Compromise (0+ / 0-)

    Dear America,

    On November 6th, you spoke loud and clear about your desire for four more years of Obama and the Democrat party.  And we appreciate that you've made your voice heard.  However, you were wrong, so if you guys don't mind we'll just do what we were going to do if our guy won.

    As a consolation prize, you get to keep your Black President, because apparently you people wanted that for some reason.

    Sincerely,
    The Republican Party.

    "O mulier, magna est fides tua. Fiat tibi sicut vis."

    by rujoking on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 05:23:13 AM PST

  •  Mr. Smug Face (0+ / 0-)

    The day I no longer have to look at that smug face cannot come too soon.

  •  ryan as mccain (0+ / 0-)

    Because it worked so well, Republicans clearly intend to install Ryan as their House version of John McCain. Can you imagine, 40 years of embittered knee-jerk reaction and obstruction. 40 years of major Democratic victories, too?

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