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San Antonio Mayor Castro would be 42 in 2016. Would add youth and fire to Clinton. Imagine this: Clinton carrying the female vote by 65-70% instead of the 55% Obama got in 2012 while Castro would log in 75% of hispanic vote. All the campaign has to do is perform as expected with the rest of their base. Turnout well be key. Imagine the possibilites!

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  •  I think one of the Virginians (1+ / 0-)
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    wuod kwatch

    Kaine or Warner will be the Presidential or VP nominee.

    "In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. " James Webb, Sep 02

    by ParaHammer on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 12:47:50 PM PST

  •  a mayor (11+ / 0-)

    is not ready to be a heartbeat from the presidency. no matter how smart or capable, it's a different league. no one has even jumped from the house to the white house since garfield.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 12:49:51 PM PST

    •  if he ran for Senate in 2014... (2+ / 0-)

      ...it's possible Castro would be a senator at that time...

      •  He'd never beat Cornyn, it is Texas down here (1+ / 0-)
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        wuod kwatch

        y'all. No recent Dem Senate candidates have pulled much more than 40%.
        I read a diary about a state having some counties that voted 55-70% Rmoney/Rethug (WI IIRC).
        That ain't nothin'. Lots of Texas counties (and we do have lots of counties, 254) just went 70-96% for those losers. My own was ~75% Red, as usual.
        There's been talk of a Castro run for Governor, but I doubt it. As bad as Herr Perry is (and never had a majority IIRC and still the longest serving TX guv), when it got down to nut-cuttin' the Rs would all fall in line.

        "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

        by Bluefin on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 08:01:27 PM PST

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        •  Don't be so negative (1+ / 0-)
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          wdrath

          Every time Cornyn votes for something against the interest of the average Texan, an ad needs to go out--very clear--with its impact.

          It's likely that if there hadn't been ~600,000 provisional ballots in Arizona, the Dem would have won the senate.

          And what needs to happen is a really progressive candidate for Governor. (Perhaps listing him/herself as Independent, in order to avoid the knee-jerk stuff, and the Dems should sit back and let it happen.)

          •  I agree, but it doesn't look like the Dems care to (0+ / 0-)

            spend any money or effort in TX for the most part.
            There was just an exception in the Gallego-Canseco race where each side carpet-bombed the airwaves, but such is rare.

            an ad needs to go out

            "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

            by Bluefin on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 10:36:37 AM PST

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    •  Yeah. Like when John Edwards told us (5+ / 0-)

      he could win 2008 because of his southern accent. Just putting a spanish name on the ticket wont do the trick if the person isn't qualified.

      Lets see if Castro can win statewide first. I think its going to be a while. That family is just beginning to build its power.

  •  Not to go all diary police, but I'm gonna go all (6+ / 0-)

    diary police.

    While I fing the basics of your suggestion interesting, you should really expand on your thoughts when posting a diary.

    This is better suited as a comment in an open thread.

    •  ouch (1+ / 0-)
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      DRo

      ouch! just joined the party

    •  That no longer applies under the new rules here (4+ / 0-)

      so time to hang up your badge...

    •  No such rules (1+ / 0-)
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      sebastianguy99

      They went away with the two diary limit.



      Those who do not move, do not notice their chains. Rosa Luxemburg

      by chuckvw on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 01:01:49 PM PST

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      •  Nobody said any rules were being broken (3+ / 0-)
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        chuckvw, Deathtongue, Wee Mama

        since there was never an official "three paragraph rule". It is just a suggestion.

        When clicking on a diary, I for one tend to expect something substantive. Not just 4 sentences

        I'm not in any way looking to offend or put down the diarist. I'm just offering a suggestion to a new member.

        Like I said, I found the premise here interesting, but it would better if there was more at length justification for it.  As it stands, it is a fine comment.

        If nobody says anything to anybody, the diary list would be clogged with 1 paragraph thoughts.

    •  Are you being a diary police (0+ / 0-)

      in other diaries or just this one?

      Shop Liberally this holiday season at Kos Katalog

      by JamieG from Md on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 07:51:10 PM PST

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      •  First off, I never claimed to be (0+ / 0-)

        the "Diary Police", or even to be policing diaries. I used the term because it is a snarky, derogatory term used to describe anyone that offers any suggestion or criticism relating to the content or lack thereof in a diary. If anyone missed the blatant sarcasm in "Not to go all diary police, but I'm going to go all diary police", I apologize.

        And, to answer the question that I think you were getting at, yes, I have and will offer suggestions or advice, especially if it is a new user, in the hopes that it will lead to more diaries and more content. Once again, if nobody ever says anything to anybody about it, it will happen more and more, exponentially. However, I'm not going to say anything if someone else has already made the same point. No sense in anybody beating an obviously dead horse, right?

        I just don't see where it is in poor taste to request more content or substance from a diarist, especially when it looks like they have an interesting argument to make or story to tell. Additionally, it isn't really fair or polite for someone who worked for hours or days on a diary to be bumped down the list or off the page because someone diaried a passing thought.

        Also, if it indeed considered to be impolite or a violation by those that I've now decided to refer to as "The Diary Police-Police" to request more content from a diarist, especially a new one, it would probably be a good idea for the PTB to remove this from the FAQ:

        "Diaries should be substantive. A good guideline is that if you don't have at least three solid paragraphs to write about your subject, you should probably post a comment in an open thread, or in a recent diary or front-page post that covers a topic relevant to what you wish to write about."
        •  I spend 2-4 hours writing each diary (0+ / 0-)

          and see them scroll quickly to the bottom of the recent diary page every time. I hate the one paragraph diaries that accelerate this process. But even long time diarists do this and I've accepted that it's now acceptable.

          At least the diarist is sticking around and participating in the discussion which is as important as the actual diary.

          What really drives me crazy, and makes me angry is a person who posts something and then never even reads the comments.

          Shop Liberally this holiday season at Kos Katalog

          by JamieG from Md on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 06:58:52 AM PST

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  •  why castro (1+ / 0-)
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    tzager

    castro would serve as clintons flank against a rubio run. the GOP is desperate to be inclusive and would do anything to change their image. castro is young, smart and energetic.

  •  southwest (0+ / 0-)

    having castro on the ticket would seal the southwest which is growing. Clinton would carry VA, NC, OH, IND and MO. In 2008 primary, Clinton did well among white working class voters.

  •  Oh boy, I guess I have to be the Amnesia Police (16+ / 0-)

    yet again.  Hillary Clinton is not a hero just because you know her name - her career in politics was embarrassing, and only got more embarrassing when she ran for president the first time.  She was the embodiment of everything wrong with our Party until Barack Obama saved us from it - the valueless, spineless, broken-moral-compass world of weathervane "leadership" and plankton-like obedience to media narratives.  Find someone else.

    As for the VP, it's a little early in Julian Castro's career to be talking about a national ticket.  Obama was heading into the United States Senate when he gave his introductory speech to a national audience in 2004.  That's a lot closer to the presidency than being the mayor of San Antonio, which is a position only marginally closer to the White House than being Governor of Alaska.  And, on a personal note, I wasn't impressed with the speech Castro gave - he sounded like he was apologizing for not being a conservative.  And I simply don't trust political leaders from Texas - the Republicans are evil incarnate, and the Democrats are untrustworthy.  Hopefully we will have increased the range of options over the next few years.

    "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

    by Troubadour on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 01:07:27 PM PST

    •  Agreed (7+ / 0-)

      If Elizabeth Warren runs, she would be the person I support.

      I'm looking for someone who will continue the progress made by the Obama administration, but also improve where President Obama has been imperfect (in other words civil liberties, drug wars, secrecy of drones, etc). I'd also want someone who is pragmatic (for this reason, I would not support someone like Kucinich or Gravel). Elizabeth Warren fits all three of those, and I will strongly support her should she run.

      Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

      by MrAnon on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 02:34:12 PM PST

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      •  I defnitely want Warren in the mix (0+ / 0-)

        but I don't yet have nearly enough information to say she would be the best choice.  She's certainly gifted and bold enough to be president, but campaigning on a national stage is another matter altogether.  There's also the fact that she might not want to be president - at least not that soon after entering political life.  

        But I absolutely would want her to run so we can find out what she's capable of as a nationwide campaigner.  In fact, I want as many good people as possible running - we have to avoid falling back into the Insider Mediocrity business no matter what.

        "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

        by Troubadour on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 03:35:53 PM PST

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      •  Now THAT is someone who is definitely (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        sebastianguy99, MBishop1, Wee Mama

        not qualified at this point, and shouldn't even be talked about. Castro's been a mere mayor? Right now, Warren has been a mere NOTHING. At this point, I can guarantee that Elizabeth Warren is not a candidate I would support and she's not a candidate that could win. She's just not, right now, any rational kind of good candidate, just because she's all dreamy to a certain cadre of progressives.

        I want to see actual accomplishments in elected office.

        Jon Husted is a dick.

        by anastasia p on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 04:23:22 PM PST

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        •  Warren has done way more than Castro (2+ / 0-)
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          Wee Mama, MrAnon

          She proposed, lobbied for, and set up an important federal agency (Consumer Financial Protection Bureau), she chaired the congressional oversight panel of TARP. By 2016, she will have as much senate experience as Barack Obama.

          Hillary Clinton is experienced, but what does she believe in? It seems to me like she's another slippery, say anything politician like Bill and will likely embrace neoliberal economics of Bill (deregulation, capital gains tax cuts, welfare reform etc), and will most likely continue the interventionist foreign policy and breakdown of civil liberties that started under Bush.

          Unless you can convince me that Hillary Clinton will fight for progressive values, I'll say no thanks.

          "Poor man wanna be rich, Rich man wanna be King, and the King ain't satisfied till he rules everything." Bruce Springsteen.

          by Johnnythebandit on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 08:26:38 PM PST

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        •  A "nothing"? (0+ / 0-)

          By 2016, Warren will have more experience than Obama had in 2008. Not only will she have served 4 years in the Senate, she will have worked in building the CFPB and being tasked with overseeing TARP.

          Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

          by MrAnon on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 05:52:58 PM PST

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    •  Revisionist history (3+ / 0-)
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      Roger Fox, Idaho83702, wuod kwatch

      Hillary Clinton was a well liked and well regarded Senator with significant legislative accomplishments, including bills to assist 9/11 rescue workers, protect NY watersheds, protect forest in Puerto Rico, and to protect children in car accidents.

      She's been an outstanding Secretary of State, with her impressiveness on display even within the last few days (brokering a cease fire in Israel.) She's been an energetic globe trotter for a far more practical and workable foreign policy than Bush/Rice, and restored the State Dept. to its rightful place at the centre of US diplomacy (which Rumsfeld had usurped for defence.)

      I'd rather folks had amnesia than revised memories.

      Rick Perry - the greatest scientist since Galileo!

      by Bobs Telecaster on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 07:56:18 PM PST

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  •  You've jumped the gun on this one... (11+ / 0-)

    Yes, the political chattering class is already foaming at the mouth with discussions about 2016 candidates.

    We are not them. Besides, don't you have campaign fatigue? I know I do.

    Have your winter holidays.

    Watch President Obama be, once again, inaugurated on January 21, 2013.

    The day after that? Start lobbying the President to push for more progressive policies and actions.

    The day after that? Start candidate shopping for 2016.


    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization" -- me

    by Angie in WA State on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 01:26:32 PM PST

    •  No. The day after THAT ... (2+ / 0-)
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      Wee Mama, Angie in WA State

      start scoping out the 2014 field for both Congress and state offices. 2016 presidential handicapping is mere daydreaming now. Who is going to oust people like John Kasich, Jon Husted and Josh "The Empty Suit" Mandel in Ohio is something we need to start thinking about immediately.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 04:25:17 PM PST

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  •  There's a bit more to politics than just identity. (10+ / 0-)

    Sarah Palin showed us that a crappy female on the ticket does not automatically beat a guy with women voters.  Black people don't just vote for Obama because he's black - they could have voted for Herman Cain if all they cared about was skin color.  And the same goes for Hispanics - just putting a Hispanic on the ticket isn't going to instantly draw the Hispanic vote.  

    Any candidate, Presidential or vice, has to actually explain to voters why his or her stances are going to benefit that voter, or his friends, or whatever group of people he or she cares about.  Mitt Romney failed politics 101 when he assumed he could simply win votes without any return on investment.  If you can't show voters you're going to make things better, you'll only get the stupid ones to vote for you, even if you match them demographically.

  •  That's the change we really need (4+ / 0-)

    Another Clinton in the White House. A conservadem running for the White House will surely do wonders to excite the base. A think Di-Fi would be a perfect fit for VP, and Lloyd Blankfein for Secreary of Treasury. /s

    “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

    by 420 forever on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 01:51:04 PM PST

  •  I'm not even ready for 2014 diaries... (8+ / 0-)

    Let alone 2016!

    But...

    If women automatically voted for women then Sarah Palin would be a far more potent...and dangerous...force.

    And there would be more than 20 women in the Senate.

    I really doubt any candidate is going to get much more than 55% of the women's vote...maybe 60% at the outside.

    And honestly, I'd be quite happy with that.  It would mean victory most of the time.

    I have a much higher regard for Secretary Clinton now than I did 4 years ago, but I wouldn't take for granted that at 69 she will be up for another run.  Or the strongest candidate.  

    Julian Castro has made a good first impression but I don't think we know all that much about him just yet.  And again, I don't know that nominating somebody based specifically on gender or ethnicity is the way to be successful.

    You're basically making the GOP argument AGAINST Obama, actually...that people voted for him based on race alone.

    If our representatives do their part for the next 4 years...and we do ours by holding their feet to the fire and by turning out for the midterms...2016 will in due time take care of itself.

    "I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell."

    by Notthemayor on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 02:00:34 PM PST

    •  I'm ready for 2014 (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      sebastianguy99, Wee Mama

      We've had at least four Democrats mentioned as possibilities to challenge Governor Kasich in Ohio. Two of them will be needing to reassure women immediately that they are pro-choice. This issue killed us under the table in 2010, but it's going to be front and center now. With our legislature launching assault after assault on women's rights, no Democratic woman will go near a candidate this time who isn't unequivocally pro-choice. That cost us big in 2010, although I don't think some recognized it because it wasn't the issue it is today.

      We also need to look at strong candidates to challenge Secretary of Voter Suppression Jon Husted, a man who spends our tax dollars dragging his desire to disqualify people's votes into court after court, even when there's absolutely no point. The man is just being a dick.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 04:29:52 PM PST

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      •  We're not much better next door... (0+ / 0-)

        With teabag Tom Corbett.

        Is the Ohio legislature as badly gerrymandered as in PA?  I know your US House districts are.

        "I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell."

        by Notthemayor on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 06:40:29 PM PST

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        •  Worse (0+ / 0-)

          They start with the legislature. The state Senate has been 2/3rds Republican for over a decade, even though in a couple of recent years, more voters statewide voted for a Democrat than a Republican.

          Jon Husted is a dick.

          by anastasia p on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 08:49:55 PM PST

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    •  At 69 she should not run for president. Just, no. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Brooke In Seattle

      Look at how the work of secretary of state has worn her down! And 2016 is four years away! Please, people, let her retire with grace and give her some peace.

      And anyway, she has said she will not run. Why not do her the honor of believing her?



      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 08:56:48 PM PST

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  •  Um, no. (4+ / 0-)

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 02:02:06 PM PST

  •  Hillary would be very formidable (0+ / 0-)

    but I really doubt she gets 65 - 70% of the female vote.

  •  this is the second diary you've posted in one day (4+ / 0-)

    about hillary running for prez in 2016.

    bill, is that you?

  •  How about someone who didn't vote for the Iraq war (4+ / 0-)

    in 16?

    Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about. Mark Twain

    by Deathtongue on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 02:24:16 PM PST

    •  In 2016 (0+ / 0-)

      that would be about as relevant as people who supported the Boer war. I opposed Iraq at a time when nobody I knew felt the same. It was an important issue to me.

      But come on - we've had eleven years of terrorist freak out. We've all learned, and we've all grown. I am prepared to accept that this is true even of people who did not see what i saw at the time.

      Rick Perry - the greatest scientist since Galileo!

      by Bobs Telecaster on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 08:00:41 PM PST

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      •  You do realize that a lot of people died (2+ / 0-)
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        Wee Mama, Brooke In Seattle

        don't you? You don't think that's relevant?

        Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about. Mark Twain

        by Deathtongue on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 08:45:29 PM PST

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        •  No I didn't realize that (0+ / 0-)

          * rolleyes *

          People die due to decisions we make or don't make all the time. If Bill Clinton, for instance, had taken a more interventionist view of Rwanda, for instance, a million more people would be on this Earth than are there today. Doesn't mean he would do the same thing if he got a do-over.

          Hindsight is 20/20. I'll require that be perfect of my leaders when they're all driving Deloreans.

          Rick Perry - the greatest scientist since Galileo!

          by Bobs Telecaster on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 12:15:57 PM PST

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          •  Not the same thing, not even close. (0+ / 0-)

            hundreds of thousands of people died because of our direct action. I find your comment very offensive.

            Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about. Mark Twain

            by Deathtongue on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 09:53:26 PM PST

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            •  Find what you want (0+ / 0-)

              I know people from Rwanda - we had troops there, and our inaction was deadly, nation destroying, and unnecessary... spilling a sea of blood on a scale that made Iraq look like a schoolyard brawl. I won't split hairs about that... I guess if that's where you feel you have to go with it, I can't stop you.

              Rick Perry - the greatest scientist since Galileo!

              by Bobs Telecaster on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 05:54:33 AM PST

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  •  I guess I'll jump in (3+ / 0-)

    I think if Hillary wants the nomination in 2016, it's hers (or so it seems now).  She's done an outstanding job as Secretary of State, in my opinion, qualifying her for the post of Commander in Chief.  And Bill really kicked ass this year for Obama.  IMHO, Hillary is in no meaningful sense to the right of Obama.  Hard feelings about Iraq have passed their sell-by date.

    As others have said, I think HRC would appeal to a certain white working class, especially female, demographic that might be disposed to return to the Democratic Party, assuming the economy is recovering decently.  Could affect states like North Carolina, Missouri, Indiana, Arizona, maybe Montana, Georgia.  And help regain the House.

    And who lines up as a formidable hard-Left candidate?  Elizabeth Warren?  Andrew Cuomo?  Of course, someone could emerge, but no one is there now.

    As for VP, it's too bad that there's not a more highly qualified Democratic Mexican-American, i.e., a governor or senator.  Mayor from a ruby red state doesn't cut it.

    "A very popular error: having the courage of one's convictions; rather it is a matter of having the courage for an attack on one's convictions." -- Friedrich Nietzsche

    by John R on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 03:03:54 PM PST

  •  what about Kirsten Gilibrand? (4+ / 0-)

    i like her. she has been known to put up a fight

    •  That's my choice too (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Subo03

      I've been keeping an eye on her, and she has consistently been stepping up on important issues. She's been fierce and outspoken. I like her a lot.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 04:31:41 PM PST

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    •  If you want Wall Street running the place, (0+ / 0-)

      have at it. Methinks we need someone a bit heavier to win after 8 years.

      •  i'm as Left as one can get (0+ / 0-)

        but I'm also realistic.

        Until Congress actually steps up to fight Wall Street by ending Citizens United, etc., we are going to have to play it safe running a wall street candidate in the mold of the Clintons and Obama, as they've shown to be largely on our side of the issues.

        We aren't going to be able to use the 'Bush/Republicans broke the economy' argument for sure in 2016, and if the GOP actually runs a charismatic, photogenic candidate & Citizens United isn't dealt with, we're really going to be in for a big money fight that no non-Wall Street candidate can survive.

        It would be nice to run a real liberal, non wall street candidate, but I'm not sure America is quite ready for one yet. As great as Obamas victory was, Romney only won by a few  popular votes when it shouldn't even be that close. There are that many stupid people out there, A liberal, non wall street candidate would have to be fierce & charismatic enough to cut through all the big money and right wing stupid thrown at them to survive an election.

    •  or Amy Klobuchar (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Wee Mama

      "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

      by JackND on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 07:32:32 PM PST

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  •  if hilliary decides to tun (0+ / 0-)

    she is going to be the nominee no matter what anyone says. do not waste your time arguing it.

    If she doesnt run  I'd consider Kirsten Gillibrand if we must have a woman on the ticket. Warren is too inexperienced, she needs at least one more term

  •  I'm more interested in the other side. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    207wickedgood

    There is no point in speculating about our side until Clinton figures out what she wants to do.

    I'm really worried about Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval. A pro choice conservative hispanic governor, and an effective one who is super popular in a swing state. If he can bring the pro lifers to heel, he will be a powerhouse candidate rest assured. He's a very good politician.

    All the other jokers I see out there don't look formidable.

    •  Sandoval got 15% of the Hispanic Vote (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      bluezen, 207wickedgood

      From Real Clear Politics:

      In his governor’s race, 84 percent of Hispanic voters backed Reid, while just 15 percent supported Sandoval, according to exit polling.
      With "Reid" being Harry Reid's son.  There is really nothing to fear.

      No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. - Edmund Burke

      by AdirondackForeverWild on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 05:26:58 PM PST

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      •  Lets see what happens in 2014. (0+ / 0-)

        Obviously he was going to underperform hispanics with Sharron Angle on the ticket. He carried a healthy 40% of hispanics in his 2002 statewide race.

        He also won his election by 12 points. Not insignificant.

        •  Yup. They don't have to win the Hispanic majority (0+ / 0-)

          They just have to chip away a little bit of that Hispanic majority that Democrats will get to push them over the edge.

          It's a good strategy for the Republicans.  However, I'm not sure they are ready to nominate a Hispanic.  I think that will be all up to the usual fatcat donors to decide, like Adelson and the Kochs, just like they ultimately settled for Romney and foisted him on a base that otherwise hated him.

    •  A pro-choice Republican (0+ / 0-)

      will do worse by half than Job Huntsman, unless there is a revolution in the Republican Party. Since their main thrust right now, hand-in-hand with redirecting all the country's resources to the wealthy, is to strip women of their rights. No one can "bring the pro-lifers to heel."  That's an impossibility. Remember, WE thought Huntsman would be "formidable' this year too. To Republican primary voters, he was always a non-starter.

      i wouldn't waste one brain cell on Sandoval unless he completely renounces his pro-choice position, just like Romney did. And I mean TOTALLY, to the point of saying no exceptions and let's take birth control away too.

      He might be a powerhouse candidate — IF he were a Democrat.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 08:55:23 PM PST

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  •  Am I so wrong for hoping and wishing (3+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama, SDuvall, Brooke In Seattle

    that it's NOT Hillary?  She's not the nominee yet, she has yet to prove she can win a presidential primary without imploding, and there's no reason to think that she's moved further to the left than she was back in 2008.  I'm sure there will be other good nominees before then.  So I'd rather just not make her the [Default] nominee.

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