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David Wasserman, Cook Political Report, total popular vote totals

Paul Krugman:

What accounts for this pattern of denial? Earlier this year, the science writer Chris Mooney published “The Republican Brain,” which was not, as you might think, a partisan screed. It was, instead, a survey of the now-extensive research linking political views to personality types. As Mr. Mooney showed, modern American conservatism is highly correlated with authoritarian inclinations — and authoritarians are strongly inclined to reject any evidence contradicting their prior beliefs. Today’s Republicans cocoon themselves in an alternate reality defined by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page, and only on rare occasions — like on election night — encounter any hint that what they believe might not be true.

And, no, it’s not symmetric. Liberals, being human, often give in to wishful thinking — but not in the same systematic, all-encompassing way.

Coming back to the age of the earth: Does it matter? No, says Mr. Rubio, pronouncing it “a dispute amongst theologians” — what about the geologists? — that has “has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States.” But he couldn’t be more wrong.

Alec MacGillis:
As Democrats gather for turkey or tofurkey in Brooklyn and Berkeley and, yes, even in Birmingham, they should offer thanks for Mitt Romney. Not just for being a clumsy candidate in a year when a more agile one might have knocked off Barack Obama—but for the broader benefit he served the Democratic Party as a powerful clarifying force...

Armageddon was averted, but politically, Obama ended up with the worst of both worlds. Wall Street was irked at him anyway, because even his mild criticisms and moderate reforms bruised egos and crimped profits. Meanwhile, voters saw him and the Democrats as in league with the bailed-out banks. In theory, both things could not be true, but in political reality, they very much were.

Which led to the great demoralization of the 2010 midterms. Voters were angry and frustrated and confused, and Republicans capitalized on that confusion. Even as Wall Street shifted its support toward the GOP, Republicans ran on a populist, anti-establishment platform.

Michael Barone, who got the 2012 election completely wrong (Prediction: Romney Beats Obama, Handily), nonetheless has yet to retire (or recant as far as I know) from election predictions.
My tentative conclusion is that we may be back to the nearly even balance between the parties we saw between 1995 and 2005. Since then, we've been in a period of open field politics, with big swings to the Democrats in 2006 and 2008 and a big swing to the Republicans in 2010.

Both sides hoped those swings would prove permanent. 2012 suggests both sides were disappointed. It looks like we're back to trench warfare politics at the national level.

In Barone's view, Hispanics only mattered in terms of the immigration issue.  
Clearly Hispanic voters, and the differences between Bush and Mitt Romney on immigration and in attitude, helped move Colorado, Nevada and, by a very narrow margin, Florida from the Republican column in 2004 to the Democratic column in 2012.
Not understanding the hostile tone of the party overall in issues beyond immigration is part of why the GOP made such a poor showing this year. Sure, immigration was an important issue, perhaps more important  to Latinos than "all voters". But Romney was right—it was the economy.  Too bad for him that he was on the wrong side of it, losing the Latino vote 71-27. From Pew:
Top Issues for Hispanic Voters in 2012

For Hispanic voters, according to the national exit poll, 60% identified the economy as the most important issue (of four listed) facing the country today, virtually the same as the share (59%) of the general electorate that identified the economy as the nation’s most important issue. On the other three issues asked about, for Hispanic voters, the economy was followed by health care (18%), the federal budget deficit (11%) and foreign policy (6%).

Throughout this election cycle, the issue of immigration has been an important issue for Hispanics. In the national exit poll, voters were asked about what should happen to unauthorized immigrants working in the U.S. According to the national exit poll, 77% of Hispanic voters said these immigrants should be offered a chance to apply for legal status while 18% said these immigrants should be deported. Among all voters, fewer than two-thirds (65%) said these immigrants should be offered a chance to apply for legal status while 28% say they should be deported.

For some unexplainable reason, health care is especially important when you don't have it. Meanwhile, "apply for legal status" is the majority view, whatever the tea party Republicans think.

Hostess was important but Cole Stangler note the most important union story might just be at Wal-mart.

Part of why the recent actions are so remarkable is that Wal-Mart is one of the most notoriously anti-union companies in the country. Based in right-to-work Arkansas, the retailer has maintained an almost entirely union-free workforce for most of its existence, even once resorting to shutting down a store in Quebec shortly after a successful union drive there. The company has never before dealt with coordinated labor protest on this scale. “In the past, Wal-Mart would fire people, would threaten people … and that would be enough to stop people in their tracks,” said Dan Schlademan, director of Making Change at Walmart, another organization backed by the UFCW which works closely with OUR Walmart. “The difference now is workers are using Wal-Mart’s own tactics to challenge the company and not backing down. Really, for the first time in Wal-Mart’s history, the tools that are used to keep people silent and under control are now being used against them. That’s significant.”

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  •  Ezra Klein has a useful piece (16+ / 0-)

    titled Why rich guys want to raise the retirement age, which I explore in this post to which I invite your attention

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 04:33:57 AM PST

  •  GOP = Jets from T-day night game (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Speaking of Walmart (19+ / 0-)

    Two friends of mine "placed" about 300 of these throughout their local Walmart store last night.

    White-collar conservatives flashing down the street, pointing their plastic finger at me..

    by BOHICA on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 05:08:01 AM PST

    •  This is great (12+ / 0-)

      Follow @ClintonMath  Yesterday they Tweeted the taxpayer numbers.  I have no feeling to think they are wrong!

      Wal Mart policies incerase reliance on public assistance:

      80% of Wal Mart workers are on Food Stamps
      Employees rely on $2.66 billion in help each year.  That is $420,000 per store.

      Store employees are top recipients in Medicaid in state after state.

      Even if you've never set foot in a Wal Mart, you still subsidize them.

      And that doesn't include the tax breaks and whatever local communities give them to open new stores!  OMG... this has to change

      We need a whistleblower with the information data and their negotiation strategies when they open new stores.  You know that they are telling local govs about how much revenue they will bring in, but they are not talking about eating up state and city/county funds for  TAN, Medicaid and Food Stamps.  

      This info needs to go out and get to the people.  

  •  My experience in Latin America convinces me (11+ / 0-)

    that Hispanics view the role of government as very important and that it is a force for the well being of their country.  Even when they believe whichever party is currently in power are a bunch of crooks they still look to government to solve societies problems.  I've seen that view in several countries where I have lived including Mexico.  Republicans believe that because Latinos are predominantly Catholic they are culturally inclined to be conservative and should naturally be republicans.  They are mistaken in that belief.  Most Latinos when they move to the US instinctively reject the anti-government rhetoric of the GOP, it strikes them as unnatural or not the way the world works.  This is just my opinion, but Spanish has been my second language for 65 years and I have long time and frequent contact with Latinos in Latin America as well as here.  I'm not at all surprised that Latinos polled indicated the economy was by far the most important issue and I would add I expect they believe government has an important role in improving the economy.

    The separation of Church and State is more firmly entrenched in Mexican law than it is in the US.  While Mexicans are predominantly Catholic there has been and continues to be a strong streak of anti-clericalism in Mexican society.  Remember Juarez and other important figures in Mexican history were Masons, there was widespread confiscation of Church property in the 19th century and as recently as 80 years ago Mexicans were hanging foreign born priests just because.  Expect the legalization of abortion in Mexico City to spread to other urban jurisdictions in the Country.

    Shorter.  Barone is full of it.

    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. Harry Truman

    by ratcityreprobate on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 05:12:15 AM PST

    •  Hispanics...they're not one of us....whoever 'WE' (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Interesting. (2+ / 0-)
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      I was wondering about that.

      Repubs and the media always paint them as Repubs under the skin, once they immigration thing is settled.

      Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

      by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:02:57 AM PST

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      •  The Hispanics I work with (1+ / 0-)
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        here in Kansas are pretty socially conservative, from the influence of the Catholic church out here.
        Most that I have asked voted for Obama, except for the older generations (60+).

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:37:58 AM PST

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        •  Yeah, I'm just wondering if there are underlying.. (1+ / 0-)
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          ........issues regarding the role of government in the economy that makes them vote Dem.

          I know they're probably socially somewhat conservative -- like other ethnic Catholics -- and they favor the Dems on immigration.

          But I was just wondering about their overall philosophy on government, I guess.

          Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

          by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:48:53 AM PST

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        •  From what I've read, many are no (0+ / 0-)

          longer Catholics but have left for various evangelical churches.  Any thoughts on that?

      •  They still have a generally more patriarchial, (3+ / 0-)

        sexist, homophobic view of gender, to which Catholicism is still contributing.
        They are also being solicited aggressively by evangelicals, which is done partly by pandering to their resistance to change on that front.

        This will of course change as hispanic women are awakened to their own freedom on this front.

        For those not old enough to remember, radical feminism took the movement in the direction of hatred of men, emasculation and deprivation of male sexual instincts, and reactionary forces took advantage of that and fueled a misogynistic backlash against "feminism".

        I think we've moved beyond that to a state where "women's lib" is also seen as "men's lib." I see the pendulum swinging away from the misogyny pole.

        I think the right is mistaken in thinking they can pander to that misogyny-friendly patriarchy and preserve the hispanic electorate in some kind of hot house where they are not subject to the same empowerment issues for women (equal pay, status in the work place, health care, protection from abuse and exploitation etc.) that are ultimately empowerment issues for men as well.

        In the last 20 years the housing boom drove a male-centric immigration for hispanics and men sent the bulk of their paycheck home to their families in Mexico.
        Over time, more families are established here and women join the workforce here, and their issues mirror more closely those of established American families.
        Democrats can keep hispanic voters by demonstrating respect for them (esp. by access to public education!) and leveraging the coming economic recovery in the direction of more middle and working class jobs, via green energy, a response to climate change, the coming revolution in architecture and planning, and a 21st cent. infrastructure.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:09:38 AM PST

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        •  Yes, more socially conservative, but without (1+ / 0-)
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          the anti-government bias that has infected republicans for decades.  Even though Latinos voted heavily for Obama there was a gender gap in the Latino vote this year which may indicate they are already mirroring conventional American norms.  I agree Democrats can't take Latino votes for granted and that respect is the biggest part of that equation.  Detailed voting information on New Mexico voters would be interesting, those whose Hispanic roots here are as old or older than the Pilgrims.

          Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. Harry Truman

          by ratcityreprobate on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 09:05:07 AM PST

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  •  Barone...Podhoretz...Will...Brooks...Rubin...... (3+ / 0-)
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    The GIANTS.

  •  Krugman's column (16+ / 0-)

    brought to mind an LTE I had in our local RW rag a ways back:  

    Pierre Berube's Anti-Science Traveling Medicine Show
    To the Editor:

    I can always count on the Letters page of the Caledonian-Record for some real doozies. Pierre Berube's letter, published Monday, Feb. 6, about "the hoaxes of evolution and climate change" falls nicely into this category. Seriously, I practically spit coffee all over the paper reading that crap.

    Isaac Asimov once said, "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" Apparently, this cult includes the practice of inventing words. Berube's screed includes the word, "fractoceramic."

    Google that "fractoceramic". You get three results. Two appear to have something to do with the elusive Higgs Boson.

    The other is Berube's letter.

    Asimov was right, but he doesn't go far enough. This anti-intellectualism practiced by fractoceramics such as Berube (it eventually dawned on me what he meant by that. It's a pseudo-intellectual way of trying to say, "crackpot." Color me unimpressed.) is actually dangerous. For one (and only one) thing, if this type of non-thinking takes any deeper root, our universities are going to be turning out graduates with worthless degrees, further impeding the ability of our country to compete in the world economy.

    For example, a bill before the New Hampshire House would require teachers to discuss the relationship between evolution and its proponents' "political and ideological viewpoints and their position on the concept of atheism." Its author, Republican State Representative Jerry Bergerin, has linked the teaching of evolution with the Holocaust and the Columbine massacre.

    Meanwhile, a bill in Virginia would make it illegal for state colleges to require a class that conflicts with a student's religious views. So a person could conceivably graduate from Virginia Tech with a degree in biology without ever having studied evolution. Find THAT person a job on

    Another New Hampshire House bill would require science teachers to instruct students that "proper scientific inquir(y) results from not committing to any one theory or hypothesis, no matter how firmly it appears to be established."

    Yes, you read that correctly.

    They get away with this by intentionally misrepresenting the meaning of the word, "theory." In common usage, "theory" often refers to conjectures, hypotheses, and unproven assumptions. However, in science, "theory" usually means "a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena."

    Remember that the next time someone like Berube tells you, "But evolution is just a theory!"

    Then tell them, "So is Newton's theory of gravity. Now go take a flying leap and don't come down."

    Berube's letter contains several examples of the classic conservative tactic of "psychological projection." It's a great example of a psychosis consciously adapted as a political tactic. Also known as "projection bias", it, when rendered as a diagnosis, is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.

    But when used as an argumentative tactic, the subconscious is often quite conscious. Here's an example, from Berube's letter: "Real scientists, when they don't know the answer, say so. They do not attempt to stifle dissent by political action."

    Pot, meet kettle.

    The predominant scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming and it is more than 90 percent certain that humans are causing it through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels.

    No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion.

    This is not political action, it is factual information. There's your "environmentalist ideology", Mr. Berube: it's called "facts." And again, as Asimov said, democracy does not mean that your ignorance is just as good as the knowledge of scientists. It may, and seems to be, approaching equal in quantity, but its quality is about that of your assertion that accepted science amounts to "the dogmatism of an ideological establishment": pure crap.

    Go sell that snake oil to someone who might believe it.

    If you, Pierre Berube, get to define what "real scientists are" we are all in a climate-changing world of hurt.

    Berube closes, after veering from androgenic climate change denial into "the hoax of evolution" by mentioning a book titled "What Darwin Got Wrong" which has been panned as perhaps better titled, "Origin of the Specious." After himself conceding that the book itself is beyond his comprehension and offering to lend it out with that in mind, he then asserts that the book he fails to understand itself fails in that it "exclude(s) intelligent design in advance, on theological grounds."

    I, in turn, will offer a closing thought from the Sage of Baltimore, H.L. Mencken, who spoke to that kind of irrational thinking in saying, "The only way to reconcile science and religion is to create something which isn't science or something which isn't religion. Theology is not only opposed to the scientific spirit; it is opposed to every other form of rational thinking."


    Eddie Garcia

    St. Johnsbury, Vt.

    Not that I'm here intending to put myself in the same class of Krugman, of course.....but I did take a certain validation from that column :)

    "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

    by kestrel9000 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 05:18:30 AM PST

    •  Ahhh, well on the way: (6+ / 0-)
      if this type of non-thinking takes any deeper root, our universities are going to be turning out graduates with worthless degrees
      Late in my career I began running into multiple advanced degree holders unable to understand fairly ordinary communications because they only knew one of the lower order definitions of a word. I had one come to me very upset about a memo only to find that their "education" had not included the first definition of several words used.

      Even without the crazies, those you speak of, far too much of our higher education has become akin what was once called "industrial arts"; training for a job. As for graduates of American madrassas and "Bible colleges," whose degrees in fields requiring scientific knowledge should be treated as bogus, I only note that due to "credentialism" and avoidance of "discrimination" (where discrimination is required!) by some employers and state licensing boards we are pretty much at "my ignorance [credential] is just as good as your knowledge [credential]" in far too many professional fields.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 05:47:20 AM PST

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    •  I'm amazed that your entire letter (2+ / 0-)
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      was published in the LTE section of your paper and not as a guest op-ed.  Had your letter been submitted to my local paper (which is neither a right- nor left-wing rag), it would either have been chopped down to a manageable size for the LTE section or published as a guest op-ed.  Congrats to you for having it published anywhere in your paper; these nitwits like Berube who are so ignorant and self-contradictory - but loud - need to be called out publicly on their fallacious opinions and specious reasoning.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:58:23 AM PST

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  •  Apply for Legal Status (4+ / 0-)

    Not just the majority view, but a HUGE majority.  Not many politicians or issues win 65%+ of the vote.  The too-cute-by-half phrasing "fewer than two-thirds" tries to obfuscate that simple truth.

    "And the President of the United States - would be seated right here. I would be here. And he would be here. I would turn - and there he’d be. I could pet ‘im." - Lewis Black

    by libdevil on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 05:24:36 AM PST

  •  A quote from Krugman's piece was exactly (10+ / 0-)

    the argument (successful in that particular case) I heard during school board meetings from citizens, many of them pastors of fundamentalist churches, making while urging a ban on teaching "critical thinking" in the 1970s:

    What was Mr. Rubio’s complaint about science teaching? That it might undermine children’s faith in what their parents told them to believe. And right there you have the modern G.O.P.’s attitude, not just toward biology, but toward everything: If evidence seems to contradict faith, suppress the evidence.
    Using that standard we'd still be in caves. By that standard elsewhere we see the Taliban and such. There is a strong reason civilized nations need to see that flat out wrong beliefs and ideas are not perpetuated generation after generation. Yet in this country we see increasing opting out through home schooling and such.

    One of my hypotheses about why the TP/GOP is so strong in the South, supported by some long term experience,  observations and some long ago look at the numbers, is that in that region particularly there was mass white flight into private church schools to avoid integration. The churches most active in setting up such schools tended to be the most "conservative" and that usually meant fundamentalist Evangelical.

    They became American madrassas, refusing to teach mainstream science because that conflicted with belief. Generations of white Southerners, many Westerners and no few elsewhere have gotten their complete "education" in such sealed environments.

    The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

    by pelagicray on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 05:28:26 AM PST

    •  GOP has gone to that 'southern well' one too many (4+ / 0-)
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      times.....the strategy is dead.

      •  One hopes. Unfortunately it still seems to well (3+ / 0-)
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        populate a core of absolute nutters in the House and Senate able to do tremendous damage at least in blocking actions.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 05:49:17 AM PST

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        •  That's why the Dems have got to (4+ / 0-)
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          TEXAS!!!....before Austin secedes....;-)

        •  The Southern political state of mind (1+ / 0-)
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          continues to elect "absolute nutters" not only to the federal legislature, but to state governments as well - from governors and legislators all the way down the ladder to highway commissioners and state regulators who spend most of their time working to get around federal regulations rather than figuring out how to implement them.

          The latest manifestation of this is the refusal of most of the states in the old confederacy (and only those states) to expand Medicaid under Obamacare.  Eventually they will be forced to do so because of pressure from one group of their constituencies or another, but, simply because of their pique that they couldn't overturn the ACA in toto, they are relegating their citizens to years of misery and their healthcare institutions to years of financial loss.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 08:11:54 AM PST

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    •  Parents have been wrong before (3+ / 0-)
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      santa and jesus

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:44:18 AM PST

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    •  I'd have to see the numbers on that..... (0+ / 0-)

      .....because I lived down south and it seemed like the fundies sent their kids to public schools.

      My theory is that the fundies stayed in their churches until Reagan and every other Repub following politicized them, and they became a huge voting force for 30 years but are becoming kind of spent now.

      Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

      by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:55:24 AM PST

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      •  If the fundies' political power through (1+ / 0-)
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        their churches is becoming "spent" now - of which I personally see no evidence - they are not going away whether they're defined by their religiosity or not.  They are now, and will continue to find ways to organize themselves by other means and through venues other than churches, and will continue to exert political influence.  They may be trading their salvation for mammon, but they're not changing their ideology.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 08:21:31 AM PST

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      •  The trend I mentioned started way before Reagan. (0+ / 0-)

        Kennedy/Johnson era and integration. White flight from cities to leave an inner core of nearly all black public schools and a ring of suburban nearly all white public schools. The sudden rise of those church schools tended to take place in the smaller towns and cities, in non-urban counties where segregation by jurisdiction was not possible as in the case of the cities. There one saw private Christian schools sprouting like mushrooms on stable muck after a good rain.

        I will see if I can find some statistics on enrollment shifts for that period.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 09:05:31 PM PST

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      •  Some sample numbers and more discussion: (0+ / 0-)

        Desegregation in Clarke County (Clarke County with Athens, Georgia is home of the University of Georgia, not exactly one of the rural backwaters where, from personal experience, things were even more extreme. "Academy" was a common substitute for "school" attached to a church.):

        Today’s high school situation looks vastly different from in 1954, or even 1970. There has been massive white flight from the public schools in Clarke County, either to private schools or to neighboring Oconee County schools. In the 2002-2003 school year there were 4,815 high school students enrolled in the two public high schools in Clarke County and the one public high school in Oconee County. Of these students, 2,572 were white, 1802 were black, 320 were Latino/a, and 115 were Asian or Pacific Islander. In the Clarke County public high schools there were 1,710 black students, 273 Latino/a students, 82 Asian or Pacific Islanders and 1, 011 white students. While the racial breakdown of all three schools was 53.42% white, 37.42% black , 6.66% Latino/a and 2.39% Asian or Pacific Islander, the numbers were very different in Clarke and Oconee counties. 94.89% of black students were in the two Clarke County public high schools. 85.31% of Latino/a students attended the public high schools in Clarke County. Only 71.3% of Asian or Pacific Islander students attended public high schools in Clarke County, and a mere 39.31% of white students attended public high schools in Clarke County. Additionally, in the 2001-2002 school year there were three private schools in Clarke and Oconee counties that had a total of 495 students. The student body at Athens Academy was 86.4% white, the student body at Prince Avenue Christian School was 92.5% white, and the student body at Westminster Christian Academy was 96% white.
        A bit of give and take on the subject as of 2005 at as the hard core racist "academies" are sometimes integrating:
        As the new principal of a Christian School, I was told to make sure that the enrollment remained balanced between white and black. I did not give heed to this bit of advice as that obviously would be very discriminatory. I interviewed and accepted students without regard to race. Some of the classes became slightly black in majority. At that time most of the families of one church quietly withdrew from the school. Being ALL white students, the balance then became even more lop sided. This past year another church did the same thing. The school is known for its excellence academically and spiritually and that has not changed. The white flight has affected the racial balance and our overall enrollment has declined significantly.
        with response:
        Most Southern christian schools from the 60's on have been "white flight". They will not tolerate their children being a minority, influenced by what they perceive as "black" culture (language, attitude, music, heroes, etc).

        I know personally a hundred families that would not be comfortable with my children with such influences. They would home school or form another school rather than send them to a place like yours is now.

        A Google Books result for Inside America's Christian Schools
         By Paul F. Parsons  gives more background.

        It is my impression that many of these schools have begun trying to lose their identity as racist by accepting students of color, yet are now hard core cultural anti-science and the rest of the suite of "identity" of the past. With these schools cropping up in the early/mid 1960s their impact on a generation of people now hard core "red state" should not be dismissed.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 05:48:37 AM PST

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    •  "You can either pick grapes til you're 80 or (2+ / 0-)
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      become a doctor. If you become a doctor, you'll learn things that challenge your parents' beliefs. Which do you choose?"
      In the long run, not a winning argument.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:12:52 AM PST

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  •  Core of the GOP (4+ / 0-)
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    Surely no GOP lawmaker would dare to tick off the rich, the party's sole source of money and influence, in order to back a sane and sober plan that would force wealthy fat cats to pay their fair share while cutting ordinary working Americans a much-needed break. John Boehner and Republicans in Congress are enemies of working Americans, devoted to doing whatever it takes to protect the unfair tax cuts ans benefits showered upon the rich and powerful. Doesn't the GOP leadership understand that consumer spending is three-quar­ters of the American economy, and that the economy will die if Republican­s force tax hikes upon the poor and middle-cla­ss right now? All while protecting billionaires and tax cuts for shipping jobs overseas.  -  progressive

  •  For the psychology behind the ignorance, (6+ / 0-)

    William James explains why belief is easy to acquire and hard to shed, even when objectively wrong. Please join the discussion:

    On January 1, 2013, the William James book discussion group starts with the 1892 essay, “The Will to Believe”.  I’m going to post a reminder almost once a week, giving information about William James and his work so that everyone with an interest has a chance to get into the discussion.

    After covering this short essay, we’ll poll the participants to decide whether to do another essay or to move on to one of his book length masterpieces, “The Variety of Religious Experience” and “Pragmatism”. The seeds of the two books are contained in “The Will to Believe”.

    Text of "The Will to Believe"

    Wikipedia entry

    Our reason is quite satisfied ... if we can find a few arguments that will do to recite in case our credulity is criticized... Our faith is faith in someone else's faith, and in the greatest matters this is most the case. - William James

    by radical empiricist on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 05:40:39 AM PST

  •  It's not just the issues for Hispanics (6+ / 0-)

    that the GOP miscalculated. I found the attempt to pander to voters in "groups" highly annoying - especially when the words coming out of the Republicans mouths completely contradicted their platform and their actions. Ann Romney's "I love women" cheer at the convention was the topper.

    I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

    by hulibow on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 05:50:36 AM PST

    •  The contempt that the GOP holds for it's 'base' (5+ / 0-)

      and everybody else is astonishing.

      •  The problem being (2+ / 0-)
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        that they hold their voters (but not their donors) in contempt for being stupid and easily led- and the party is the one leading them!
        Now these stupid and easily led people are showing up in Congress, and it's getting in the way of the establishment Republicans (see: Boehner, John).
        If they don't do something about these stupid and easily led people, their party won't be able to win another presidential election.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:49:31 AM PST

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        •  The problem being....they've lost the supreme (2+ / 0-)
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          court......Obama should nominate some radical leftist fetuses....;-)

          •  Obama may not have the opportunity (0+ / 0-)

            to appoint any justices to the SCOTUS in his second term.  It may come to pass that Ruth Bader Ginsberg will retire, but beyond that, barring medical debilitation or serious accident, or death, none of the conservative justices are likely to give up their seats on the Court.

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

            by SueDe on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 09:28:31 AM PST

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            •  Given that Clarence never opens his mouth during (1+ / 0-)
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              arguments, he could be deceased for nearly a year before anyone would notice.  His passing would be noticed only by Scallions who would stop talking only long enough to hear an expected "I'm with Nino".

              When all else fails, try thinking!

              by edtheengineer on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 12:27:28 PM PST

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  •  Have Latinos been polled on economic issues? (1+ / 0-)
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    How about Asians?

    Just curious if they're pro- or anti-government in general when it comes to economic solutions.

    Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

    by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 05:55:26 AM PST

  •  This is why we cannot cede the House in 2014 (7+ / 0-)

    and need to nationalize the upcoming mid-term, starting today.  Screw the gerrymandering hand-wringing concerns.  Running against GOP antediluvian dogma should be as easy as shooting fish in a barrel, because the Republican brand truly sucks.  And despite the colors of the ribbons and bows they might try to affix to that turd, it remains a turd.

    At the very least, the American electorate needs to be educated and enlightened to recognize that our country,  from an economic competitiveness standpoint, literally cannot afford to have an anti-science political party like the GOP controlling the legislative branch.

    Here's the electoral math:

    The anti-science GOP = anti-economic recovery.

  •  Thanks for the roundup, Greg! Good start to the (3+ / 0-)
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    day.  I am hugging myself with glee that people are standing up to "Mall Wart."  Not before time!

    We must identify and strengthen progressive candidates for the House as soon as possible. The Rethugs have really helped in the sense that their successful sweep in 2010 resulted in legislating myriad bills against abortion, rather than myriad bills for jobs.  We need to hold them accountable for that in our campaign in 2014.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:12:54 AM PST

  •  It's no wonder voter participation dropped. (1+ / 0-)
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    After all, Republicans spent four years throwing everything but the kitchen sink into the effort to deny and destroy the significance of government. The Tea Party got the message in 2010 and amplified it. Unfortunately, what they didn't realize is that the beef is legitimate, in a literal sense.  It is the legislative branches where most of the noise against government originates that the problem actually lodges. Our legislatures have been subverted by a clan of scofflaws -- people who aspire to hold public office for the simple purpose of destroying the credibility of governmental agents. It's as if the Mafia had been put in charge. Crime has been legalized.

    Of course, that's not actually new. If crime is defined as a deprivation of human and civil rights, then our legislative bodies have been involved in that from the start. What seems  to be different now is that deprivation which used to be targeted at select individuals and groups is now more egalitarian and taking aim at just about everyone. Indeed, even the banksters have a valid complaint since the passage of Dodd/Frank was, much like the ACA, proposed as a temporary measure, sure to be repealed as soon as the money bags helped purchase a more amenable Congress. Which they actually did in 2010 and then it turned out the "winner" they paid for were even more incompetent than those they replaced.  And nothing got repealed. What was, however, clearly revealed was the Congressional habit of using proposed and promised and deferred legislation to secure their primary interest -- holding on to their seniority and the power that comes with it.

    We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:20:49 AM PST

  •  Redstate Update.....Erick still fighting demons... (1+ / 0-)
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    Obama still sucks.....Elections have consequences.

  •  Breaking: (7+ / 0-)

    Two weeks after election day, our democratic candidate for Jefferson county Commissioner, Colorado, Casey Tighe, WINS!!
    Hallelujah!  Local races matter more than anyone thinks. The Nationals can fiddle around all they want, but it's state and local elections that will directly impact your progressive quality of life at home!

    •  Jefferson County Colorado was once (5+ / 0-)

      a reliably Republican County but has been trending blue for some time.  Obama won it in 2012.  Rep. Ed Perlmutter beat another Coors brother for his third term and now a Democratic county commissioner. It might not be that long before Colorado is no longer considered a swing state.

      The Jefferson County Democrats benefited from a well organized grass roots organization led by County Chair Chris Kennedy who has a bright future in politics.  Developing local Democratic Party organizations and candidates is one of the more important things we can do.

  •  It's not ignorance. It's ignernce. (0+ / 0-)

    ignorant. ignernt   (vernacular)

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:40:38 AM PST

  •  SOMETIMES... (1+ / 0-)
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    Ya gotta just flush two or three times.

  •  Barone could be right in empirical terms (1+ / 0-)
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    but if he's wrong, the potentialities all almost certainly tend toward the advantage of democrats:

    1. Obama's success is equivocal.  It's tough to know how to read it.  He won in a bad economy, but most Americans didn't blame him for it in the first place.  There could be implicit strength there, but its still too early to tell.

    2.  Republicans continue to dominate midterms, but this could change.  Republican support in the midterms is much closer to peaking than the Democrats, so if Democrats can transfer their 2012 GOTV operation to midterm elections, we could potentially achieve parity with Republicans.  

    3.  Demographics and the trajectory of American politics are clearly on the Democrats side.  Nothing guarantees it will stay that way, but I'd rather be in our position than their position.

  •  Need new legislation: Employment Rights Act (0+ / 0-)

    I am no legislative minded person. But when I look at what Walmart has done to people across the country it brings to mind an idea that might make a good piece of legislation.

    If a company's employees are having to obtain Food Stamps from the Federal Government to supplement their wages. Then perhaps the Federal Government should be taxing that company to recover it's costs?
    The first thing that comes to mind is that "part time" workers would make this bill hard to swallow for many conservatives. But let's examine the company's employee roster and set a minimum standard for how many part time employees they can have as a percentage. If a company is purposefully hiring only part time employees then we are looking at a company that is avoiding paying for things like Unemployment Insurance, Healthcare Benefits, etc.

    I think we need to go beyond a simple "Minimum Wage" standard and start drafting legislation for an "Employment Rights Act". This legislation would be designed to not only include the basic "Minimum Wage" standard, but would standardize and penalize companies for abuses that put their employees below the poverty line without a chance at healthcare benefits.

    In this day and age, we shouldn't have to rely on Unions to bring justice to the employees of our nation. We should be demanding a fair and balanced system at the Federal Level that sets the bar so that all of our citizens get a fair deal no matter what state they live in!

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 09:23:06 AM PST

  •  I would bet that, in the private academies... (0+ / 0-)

    ...of the 1%, science and reality are the curriculum. There's is no creationism, or denial of Darwinian Evolution.  All this anti-science ignorance is designed to poison the peasantry, and not the Lords of the One Percent.

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