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Poor Senator Marco Rubio, he was asked how old the earth is:

Rubio wants to court people who believe that the Earth is between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago despite fossils and radiometric dating going back millions of years. The question is whether we should even consider someone for the presidency who denies such a clear and established fact. At what point is the denial of reality as threat to the nation in a commander and chief. Of course, some of these candidates may secretly accept reality, but that may be ever worse if you are willing to deny established facts (like the rising and setting of the Sun) in order to secure power.
See, Rubio's not an historian but he can tell you what recorded history says,]; he's also not a scientist so he can't tell you what science says! Well, he obviously doesn't possess the faintest shred of intellectual honesty or logic if he doesn't think he just hopelessly contradicted himself. And BTW, before we get all pious and preachy ourselves, this craziness—or convenient vagueness if you will—on basic established science has worked its way into some Democratic responses to the same question.
  • Not exactly holiday cheer or science, but I've written several articles out of sheer frustration on what's it like to struggle as one of the many former-middle class and now very hard working poor in this country.
  • Pure science, pure nature: sea snakes!
  • Alright peeps, time to flex our mighty progressive muscle: go henceforth give our wonderful Bad Astronomer Dr Phil Plait a big Daily Kos traffic extravaganza at his new digs!
  • Speaking of astronomy ... Curiosity has found something potentially extraordinary on Mars and no one, and I mean No One, is talking about it yet.
  • Pure bullshit, pure mythology, pure pseudoscience:
    One creationist claim that’s commonly laughed at is this idea that 8 people could build a great big boat, big enough to hold all the ‘kinds’ of animals, and that those same 8 people were an adequate work force to maintain all those beasts for a year in a confined space on a storm-tossed ark. So the creationists have created a whole pseudoscientific field called baraminology ...


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  •  15yr-old self-taught engineer from Sierra Leone (33+ / 0-)

    The youngest person ever to be invited to the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Visiting Practitioners Program

    In a town where electricity is available generally only once a week, Kelvin taught himself to build batteries and generators, as well as a transmitter for his own community-empowerment radio station, using discarded electronics that he found in the neighborhood's garbage cans.

    Watch his triumphs and his struggles as he travels to the U.S. for the first time to attend the program.

    -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

    by dopper0189 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:05:16 AM PST

  •  Well if I were power hungry (6+ / 0-)

    I would have replied that I'm a Christian who believes the earth is billions of years old. That's what some of my Christian friends believe.

    No Jesus, Know Peace

    by plok on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:07:16 AM PST

  •  Um... (6+ / 0-)
    Of course, some of these candidates may secretly accept reality, but that may be ever worse if you are willing to deny established facts (like the rising and setting of the Sun) in order to secure power.
    ... author knows the Sun doesn't actually rise and set, right? It only appears that way due to the rotation of the Earth. I mean, come on, if you're going to criticize about this stuff you absolutely have to get your shit right.

    The Baptist Death Ray (wrightc [at] eviscerati [dot] org) "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
    - Edward Young

    by The Baptist Death Ray on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:13:16 AM PST

  •  Don't Panic !!! (6+ / 0-)

    The question is not whether or not WE should consider Rubio for the presidency; the question is ONLY should the GOP consider Rubio for the presidency.

    Boehner, McConnell, Cantor and the whole lot repeated say, "what Americans want" when they have no idea what Americans want.  Americans spoke during this election and Americans said, "we don't want radical, racist, right-wing, religious, redneck, republicans.

    Man created Gawd (sic).

  •  There's comedy gold to be excavated from (10+ / 0-)

    creationist pseudo science....

    Dr Lightner even used a children's cuddly toy puppet[4] to make her designations (see Figure 18, right) — despite being a qualified veterinary surgeon, she failed to recognise that this was not actually an animal. Creation science at its finest. Since the screenshot was taken, the image has been replaced with a photo of an actual possum - but clearly it managed to pass "peer review" the first time.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:14:29 AM PST

    •  at least we can see the fossil record continue as (2+ / 0-)
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      But it does solve a lot of problems if the ark were stuffed full of plushies! It’s also a phenomenal marketing opportunity — the museum will be the gift shop!
      Plushophilia (from "plushie" and "-philia") is a paraphilia involving stuffed animals. Plushophiles are sometimes called plushies, although this term (plushies) can also refer to non-sexual stuffed animal enthusiasts, and to stuffed animals in general

      yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

      by annieli on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 08:01:10 AM PST

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    •  I never even knew (1+ / 0-)
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      crystal eyes

      Something called "creation research" existed.  I think these people must have serious brain damage.

      Fine.  You want to believe in Adam and Eve, and an Ark, and the Earth was created in six days, or whatever, that's one thing.  It's called faith and you're welcome to it.

      BUT, you spend all this time doing "research", arguing "evidence" from other "scholars", yet throughout the whole conversation no one seems to need to see evidence of a ginormous fucking boat full of hundreds of animals sailing around the world in horrible storms.

      I just don't get these people.  Wow.  Footnotes and everything.

      "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

      by La Gitane on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 10:39:23 AM PST

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  •  Life on Mars... (6+ / 0-)

    ...may possibly be part of the national dialogue in the upcoming weeks if speculation regarding recent, secret discoveries by the 'Curiosity' rover is true. How would a President Rubio or Huckabee deal with that?

    The news regarding organic appearing fossils in Martian meteorites was properly announced by President Clinton and Vice-President Gore at the time as such news could have possibly impacted many social and economic aspects of our society significantly.

    I fear a tea party president would use such news as an excuse to shut down the program and all other national endeavors to investigate and better understand our world and universe.

    Isn't it discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit? (Noel Coward)

    by Mid10Dem on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:16:28 AM PST

  •  Obama's response... (9+ / 0-)

    It's obscene to compare Obama's very thoughtful response (to a completely different question no less) to Rubio's dodge.

    Obama was asked what he would tell his daughters if they asked him if God literally made the universe in 6 days. His response is a very smart and thoughtful way of addressing the tension between faith and science, without denying what science tells us while also trying to hold onto the core truths he believes are taught by his religion without taking the bible as literal truth.

    If more politicians took the enlightened, thoughtful approach Obama articulates, we would not have a problem.

    •  McCain gave a surprisingly enlightened response... (4+ / 0-)
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      ...when asked about evolution in 2008, saying he believed what the scientists say about evolution but also sees the wonders of god in nature, or some such.

      Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

      by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:35:50 AM PST

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    •  One doesn't have to believe religouse magical (0+ / 0-)

      thinking nonsense, such as creationism, virgin birth, resurrection, etc etc. To practice the teachings of Jesus, one need only to feed the poor, heal the sick, be an advocate for peace, and love thy neighbors--even the obnoxious ones.

      the Republican brand is totally bankrupt.

      by vlyons on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 08:51:52 AM PST

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  •  Curiosity found my car keys. (5+ / 0-)

    Man that was a raging party.  Note to self...don't buy weed from an Ewok who's fucking a Romulan.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:19:48 AM PST

  •  Rubio (6+ / 0-)
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    obviously doesn't possess the faintest shred of intellectual honesty or logic if he doesn't think he just hopelessly contradicted himself.
    He's a politician. That's what the majority of them do.

    Science is about establishing facts and fitting them with theoretical models to see if they work, if they can make predictions and/or to see if they are able to be re-created by others. Accepted scientific fact, at this time, is that the Universe is many billions of years old and our planet is 4-6 billion (I always forget...)

    Politics is about using facts and truthiness together to make reality fit a selling point: arguing that the sky is yellow and the sun is blue in order to make you want to vote for them or to support something absurd.

    Politics is not science.

    Science would be turning lead into gold; politics is selling you lead and telling you it's gold.

    Rubio is a politician.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:20:12 AM PST

  •  BTW, DarkSyde (7+ / 0-)

    There's an expression in my line of work. You're only as valuable as your next job. If you're employee of the year in an award-winning company you should be sending your resume out. I change jobs every two years. It's the only way to guarantee income increases. It's life. As a matter of fact the last job I got was through a head hunter who found me on Linkdin. Never stop looking.

    No Jesus, Know Peace

    by plok on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:24:49 AM PST

    •  Interesting.... (5+ / 0-)
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      Dirtandiron, wbr, rb608, Aunt Pat, plok

      I like that.....

      I  have been thinking tjhat, as I near 3 years at my cueecnt job - no increases, healthcare cut but still have a job with vacation and a little sick time , that I should start looking again.

      My field, professional counseling, is rather limited and there are a lot of really shitty jobs that I won't do so moving up seems really limited, other then putting the effort into starting my own private practice...

      but I like the mentality....

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:34:04 AM PST

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      •  Best time to look for a job is while you have one (3+ / 0-)
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        plok, RainyDay, xxdr zombiexx

        You can afford to negotiate, and your not as nervous (if I don't get this job how will I pay my bills?). If you have a job you just ask for a raise over what your making ($1-$3 an hour) and let them counter offer. If they don't make it worth your while you just go back to your current job.

        It's not a bad idea to go on interviews every few (3-4) years just to keep your interview skills up even if you don't take the job. It also give you more confidence if you know other firms want you.

        -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

        by dopper0189 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:40:18 AM PST

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    •  I've been changing about every three years. (3+ / 0-)
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      rb608, Aunt Pat, plok

      My current position is with a start up, and while I like my team, its not a perfect fit...but it is a Director level position, so a lateral move from here will be good for me regardless.

      Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

      by darthstar on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:41:28 AM PST

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  •  I suppose creationists will always be with us (5+ / 0-)

    wasting our time with their useless bullshit.

    I know I will be rude to the next person who starts in on that near me in actual reality because even with freedom of speech, creationism is such a vast waste of time one should cut of any discussion with prejudice.

    I am unsure why I should give it the time of day.....

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:27:14 AM PST

    •  Remember.... (2+ / 0-)
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      A creationist is the one that invented the Gish Gallop, used so effectively by Romney in the first debate.  They're the nastiest people of ANY of the right wing to debate, hands-down - they make the anti-choice baboons look like rank amateurs when it comes to poo-throwing skills.

    •  I visited Carlsbad Caverns a year or so ago... (3+ / 0-)
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      Aunt Pat, GreenMother, A Citizen

      while I was photographing a formation in the cave and visitor remarked that I looked like Ansel Adams! I returned that I had never thought of that resemblance, but on three occasions I had given a lecture as Charles Darwin (during the 2009 Year of Science).  His comment?  "That's too bad."  

      •  Sigh. No no no no no! Ansel Adams took pictures (1+ / 0-)
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        Desert Scientist

        of geological and natural wonders. What's next? Is this guy going to go to an Agave farm and say, "wow, this looks like Georgia O'Keefe?


        And as for his comment towards your job, one could say the same if he managed to spawn.

  •  My favourite Noah's Ark bit... (3+ / 0-)
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    Shockwave, rb608, Aunt Pat

    from Ricky Gervais (NSFW due to some swearing):

    " have to be happy with what you have to be happy with..."

    by soundchaser on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:30:03 AM PST

  •  Those are Jesus Ponies. n/t (5+ / 0-)

    Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

    by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:32:06 AM PST

  •  4 year old loved the video (6+ / 0-)

    it says something when my 4 year olds have a better understanding of the age of the world and universe and an understanding of dinos than a senator. Maybe Rubio should spend some more time watching PBS Nova. I also recommend dinosaur train, but I am afraid he might start to think that dinos actually had time traveling trains that let them travel around the Mesozoic.

  •  The proper response by Rubio should have been (4+ / 0-)
    "Old.  Very old.  And Elvis is dead.  Next question, please".
    By expressing even a shred of a doubt as to the answer to a question that can't be known to any degree of exactitude (within a few millions of years) he opened himself up to having to hear this criticism for the rest of his career.   Very stupid on his part.

    Intolerance betrays want of faith in one's cause. - Gandhi

    by SpamNunn on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:33:09 AM PST

  •  doesn't possess the faintest shred of intellectual (5+ / 0-)
    ...  HONESTY or LOGIC

    I can't off handedly
    think of a higher recommendation for
    a GOP politician wanna be.

  •  Ask if he believes in the gravitational theory... (4+ / 0-)
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    ...of tides.

    (Bill O'Reilly explained a few years ago that its really god, not gravity.)

    Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore

    by Minerva on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:36:06 AM PST

  •  I feel for you, Darksyde. (8+ / 0-)

    My situation isn't near so dire as yours, but I basically am stuck in Technician Hell at U of Michigan, making half what a Ph.D. normally makes here.  And it's been made abundantly clear that it will never get any better - I'm cheap labor, and when the grant money runs out, so will my job.

    I make just barely enough to live in Ann Arbor as is.  But toward the end of this year, I was given an offer I had to refuse: a six month extension at half pay.  And when I did refuse it - as politely and diplomatically as I could manage - my lower-down boss got nasty and sarcastic with me.  He's nontenured and just as much on the edge as I am, but he ranked above me, but all the attitude and entitlement of "management" was there for all to see.

    So I'm slowly assembling a job search and doing it on the sly, throttling down my efforts in lab as subtly as I can.  From some of the postings in the thread on your blog, I would tend to agree: do a job action - a subtle one - to free up enough extra time to execute a job search.  Even if they refuse to be a reference, they cannot take that Employee of the Year away from you (and make sure you at least get a certificate, something in writing!).

    I truly wish you luck.  You deserve better.  So do I.  "Recession" should not be the catch-all excuse to dehumanize the entire workforce, but it always is.

    •  Been there, done that! (2+ / 0-)
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      ArchTeryx, NorthCountryNY

      I was for over 25 years a post doc and then staff, while teaching classes, writing grants, publishing on average over one journal article a year and also (after I became staff) directing students in Masters level projects.  This continued until the political situation changed (I was told by my Dept. Head that it never would - once he retired it did!) and I was finally appointed to the faculty.  Two years later I went through the P & T process and was appointed a full professor!

      Only comment from the two (departmental and college) P & T committees "Why did it take so long?"

      •  Now that's an amazing amount of persistence. (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't think I ever could do that - what's the use of finally making assistant professor when you're about to retire, after all?  It's just another grind from there to (try) and get tenure.

        Probably a much better move for me, at least, to see the writing on the wall and head for greener pastures with my brand new skillset.

        •  It actually meant a LOT more ... (1+ / 0-)
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          retirement money to get appointed to the faculty for 3 1/2 years than I would have had.

          As to why did I stay - good question- its not that I did not apply elsewhere, but that there were few jobs in systematics and ecology and a lot of people trying for them.  If I could have left I would have.

          •  Huh. I never thought of that. (0+ / 0-)

            Retirement benefits at a lot of universities WOULD be better for faculty then staff, no matter how high ranking the staff.  I guess my working at UM put blinders on - pretty much everyone gets the same benefits package from the janitors to the top faculty.  

            (And the pay for EVERYONE save for the deans and provosts has been pretty badly flattened...the top professors don't make much here at all; it all gets funneled to the top).

            I'm really sorry that your job search didn't go well for you.  I need mine to go better, if only because I have little choice: this position comes with an expiration date, and that's going to happen awfully soon.

    •  The most effective way, (1+ / 0-)
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      and sometime the only way to get hired on permanently with fair and decent compensation is to get a job offer from elsewhere. It is amazing how quickly a Dean or other administrator can find funds, even when money is said to be tight, to keep somebody who fills a need.

      •  You nailed it right on the head. (1+ / 0-)
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        Once they realize they don't have you over a barrel, all of a sudden it becomes a choice of "pay him what he wants or lose his proven expertise in favor of what the market vomits up next."

        That's the one great thing this job gave me - skills which are supposedly in high demand in my branch of science.  If UM thinks they're going to get them for $20K a year, they've got another think coming.

  •  Hillary Clinton turned me into a newt! (4+ / 0-)
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    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:37:42 AM PST

  •  Have always been fascinated by poisonous snakes, (1+ / 0-)
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    and sea snakes are the most poisonous of all!  Thanks for the reference.

    Wish there were something I could do to help you, Dark Syde.  It's horrible what you're going through!  This wouldn't happen in a civilized country.  Too bad we aren't all French.  :(

    If there's anything we can do, please let us know.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:39:23 AM PST

  •  The only Republican approved image of dinosauria (4+ / 0-)
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    BOHICA, Aunt Pat, GreenMother, wbr


    "And the Tea Party shall be maimed forever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but can never grow or take shape again. And so a great evil of this world will be removed." - Gandalf

    by Fordmandalay on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:43:43 AM PST

  •  I wonder what his view on "dog years" is? (3+ / 0-)
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    According to his calculations, our 16 year old poodle must still be a puppy.

  •  Ask Rubio if he believes in mathematics (5+ / 0-)

    See, mathematics establishes that light has been traveling across the universe since even before the earth was formed (or created, as you wish) some 4.5 billion years ago.  

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:45:18 AM PST

    •  There is a whole CS literature on this. (1+ / 0-)
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      Some 'Creation Scientists' discuss how the light was already distributed around the universe in the pattern we see today on 'creation day'... you know, since god(s) can do anything.

      Another view (and yes, they publish papers on this in their journals) is that the speed of light was faster during creation week. I shit you not.

      •  If God is willing to lie about that... (0+ / 0-)

        ...what's to keep God from lying about other things. Why should we believe we need salvation; maybe Hell is just another lie God told because once he turned on his toys (humans) he found out he couldn't control us.

  •  Thanks for the video. Some of those dinos (4+ / 0-)

    would probably have been good served up with stuffing and cranberry sauce.  

    Then again, THEY probably would have served ME up with stuffing and cranberry sauce.

    God be with you, Occupiers. God IS with you.

    by Hohenzollern on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:48:06 AM PST

  •  Noah: "WHAT'S A CUBIC" (2+ / 0-)
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    White-collar conservatives flashing down the street, pointing their plastic finger at me..

    by BOHICA on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:48:51 AM PST

  •  In any sane world Rubio would not even ... (2+ / 0-)
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    be considered for president!  Not only is he a scientific know-nothing, but his ethical background is very suspect in other regards from what I have heard.

    These evolution and global climate change zelots and their political apologists who may or may not believe their own rhetoric are making it nearly impossible to tackle the very serious problems that now confront us.  I would not elect Marco Rubio to dog catcher, but this is politics in Florida!  Very much like Texas in some areas.  Still West got kicked out and Obama won the state so maybe there is some hope.  

  •  Rubio....try to sell that shit in East LA. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Ah!! So that's what a baramin is! (2+ / 0-)
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    I remember, when Conservapedia was started, I surfed it and kept reading some crap about baramins in their descriptions of animals.  I assumed it was because of some kooky creationist shit jargon I wasn't familiar with.  Guess so.

    It seems to me, if you're going to be CREATIVE to fit all the animals of the world into the ark, a better solution would have been to save samples of their DNA.  Collecting it would be difficult with stone or bronze-age technology, but we have God to do our magic stuff, so we leave that job to him.  He gives us a flash drive with the DNA of every living creature on it, we take it on the ark, and leave most of the ark as empty space.  Then when the waters recede, we pray to God and say, "do your magic stuff, Lord!" and, TADA, all the DNA is reconstituted.

    (I suppose if we were to learn that the sun was going to nova in a hundred years, we might decide to embark on a similar ark-like fast-track mission to send humans outside the solar system with the DNA of as many species as we could gather.)

    But if you have God doing all the heavy lifting, if you do that, it would be even simpler to take nothing on the ark.  God could just wave his magic wand and go, TADA, and all the animals reappear out of thin air in all the appropriate ecological niches, without having to trust anybody's maritime skills.

  •  I have a bunch of dinosaurs in my neighborhood (0+ / 0-)

    Not the right-wing hicks blasting bad country music through tinny speakers at ungodly hours. The wild turkeys.

    Maybe one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not..

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:34:38 AM PST

  •  Just showed my 5-y-o daughter this dino clip, and (1+ / 0-)
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    she LOVED it.  She's quite the dino expert, so we will make sure to save this diary and YouTube for future reference :)

    Republicans...What a nice club...of liars, cheaters, adulterers, exaggerators, hypocrites and ignoramuses. Der Spiegel -6.62, -6.92

    by CanyonWren on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:37:53 AM PST

  •  I know what Curiosity found! (0+ / 0-)

    Using super-high-tech equipment I made myself in my basement, I have intercepted Curiosity's transmissions back to earth and found this image that will stun the world!

    Follow the link if you dare!

    Wealth doesn't trickle down -- it rises up.

    by elsaf on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 08:19:46 AM PST

  •  enough already with this anti science (0+ / 0-)

    It isn't simply that the republican party has now become the anti science party, it's that they are trying to shove their nonsense about their sky god and the Earth being only 6 thousand years old, down everybodys throat for their own political and financial self interest. It's that now, for political expediency, some democrats are pushing this ridiculous nonsense. What is with that?

    Don't these clowns understand where nuclear weapons come from? They don't come from their sky god. Nuclear weapons came from the hands of humans. Humans had to figure out the math and the scientific procedures for purifying Uranium 235 and turning Uranium 238 into Plutonium. The sky god didn't tell us how to do that. The sky god isn't going to tell us how to clean up the environmental mess left by ignorant capitalists and communists and the sky isn't going to save us if we don't clean up our environment. Enough already!

    Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering.

    by harris stein on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 08:39:19 AM PST

  •  Actually, the sun neither rises nor sets (0+ / 0-)

    The sun doesn't rise in the east, travel across sky, and then set in the west. The earth rotates.

    Consider the implications of Joshua's battle at Jericho: Joshua 13:10

    And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.
    Poor poor oysters waiting for the tide to come in ...

    How much volume of water do you think the earth would throw off the planet into interstellar space if the earth suddenly stopped rotating? What would that do to the magma in the core and the magnetic field. Where would the earth get enough energy to start up rotating again?

    I agree with Mao Tse Tung: Religion is poison. We need to shame the fundies about their ignorant beliefs. And oh yes, hold fundie pols accountable.

    the Republican brand is totally bankrupt.

    by vlyons on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 08:42:55 AM PST

  •  he's also not a scientist so he can't tell you ... (0+ / 0-)

    He's not an economist either but he certainly CAN tell you that supply-side, trickle down works and that we are currently facing a DEBT CRISIS???

  •  Looking Back in Time (0+ / 0-)

    Here's a tip for Rubio. You can see the past! It isn't even difficult (although you probably can't do it right now, unless it happens to be night when you're reading this).

    All you need to do, Marco, is go outside when the stars are shining and look up!

    See those bright points of light? The stars? Those are bright, shining balls of plasma emitting light.

    We happen to know how far those stars are because we can measure how far away they are. Astronomers use the cosmic distance ladder to determine how far away those objects are.

    The stars you see are mostly close by, but "close by" in cosmic terms is typically an astronomical number of miles away. (A parsec, for example is about 19 trillion miles, the kind of number they usually only throw around in Washington, now.) The nearest star (a binary, Alpha Centauri)  is over a parsec away.

    Close to Alpha Centauri in the sky is another little object called Omega Centauri. It's actually a globular cluster 17,000 light years away.

    The light you see from Omega Centauri left there about 17,000 years ago. When you look at it, you are looking back 17,000 years into history.

    Or, in other words, about 7,000 years before the universe formed, as calculated by biblical scholars.

    In space, space = time. We have very good measurements of distances in the universe. Based on these measurements we know with great certainty how old the universe is.

    Science, like theology, can give you wrong answers. But if the ages calculated by scientists for the earth and the universe were off by a very large factor nothing we know would work. Things like surveying and GPS would simply not work correctly because they are based on the same scientific theories that underly calculations of the age of the universe.

    Senator, we don't want you to be ignorant. Take my advice, learn a little science. It's not that hard.

  •  Thanks DarkSyde (0+ / 0-)

    (R's) take those tired memes and shove 'em, Denise Velez Oliver, 11/7/2012.

    by a2nite on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 09:37:14 AM PST

  •  Rubio must think The Flintstones is a documentary (0+ / 0-)
  •  We should thank Rubio ... (0+ / 0-)

    for making his 47%-fiasco four years in advance.

  •  What makes the Noah story total BS is the (0+ / 0-)

    amount of time it takes to build a craft, even a flat boat, that would be, say, large enough to house and feed breed stock from a small farm.

    Any boat, which has a keel, ribs and even just one mast, from the time the builders start picking out the quality and size of trees they need to the actual rigging out and use of the boat is normally years, and that is with a large crew of expert craftsmen.

    So God told Noah about a flood he planned because he was so pissed he planned mass annihilation of man kind (Who Christ says God loves).  And  then waited patiently for a year or more. Just growing the crops for and then weaving sail cloth would take at least a growing season plus the weaving.  

    Of course none of Noah's neighbors noticed half the local woods being chopped down and a large boat going up in its place.

    The reality of the logistics make the tale as told physically impossible, unless God waved a magic wand and made the boat and then somehow kept resupplying the food for all those hungry people and critters.

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