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U.S. House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) (2nd L) stifles a sob as he awards astronaut Neil Armstrong (L) with the Congressional Gold Medal at the U.S. Capitol in Washington November 16, 2011. Also pictured is Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) (2nd R)
Desperately seeking excuses
As Joan McCarter noted, the Great Orange Speaker John Boehner now wants to use deficit reduction as the latest Republican excuse to attempt to gut Obamacare:
We can’t afford it, and we can’t afford to leave it intact. That’s why I’ve been clear that the law has to stay on the table as both parties discuss ways to solve our nation’s massive debt challenge.
Because they have nothing else to do, Republicans have voted 33 times to repeal Obamacare. And failed 33 times. But now Boehner wants to use the false fiscal crisis. Not that one expects honesty or intellectual coherence from Republicans, but there's just one problem:
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office is out with a new estimate of the costs of repealing the Affordable Care Act, the national health care legislation signed into law in 2010. According to the CBO, if Mitt Romney and his fellow Republicans are successful in repealing the law, it would increase the federal budget deficit by an estimated $109 billion between 2013 and 2022.

"Specifically, we estimate that H.R. 6079 would reduce direct spending by $890 billion and reduce revenues by $1 trillion between 2013 and 2022, thus adding $109 billion to federal budget deficits over that period," the CBO and Joint Committee on Taxation said.

Death panels. Socialism. Unconstitutional. The Republicans won't ever stop trying. Apparently, they just can't stand the idea of millions of people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford it having access to medical care.

The Republicans have no credibility on deficits, so Boehner using deficits as yet the latest excuse to attempt to repeal Obamacare is no great surprise. But if Boehner really wanted to use Obamacare to do something about deficits, there is something he could do: He could leave Obamacare alone.

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  •  They've said Democrats will increase their power (13+ / 0-)

    once people experience the full benefits of the ACA - THAT is why they want to kill it.  It reduces our deficits and it provides access to needed, affordable care for many.  They really want to pre-empt the loyalty voters will feel to politicians who have provided sensible, affordable, life-saving healthcare access.  GOP needs it gone to hold the power they got.

    "This is the best bad idea we have by far..." ~Argo

    by MsGrin on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:04:59 PM PST

    •  Obamacare is just a symbol to them (8+ / 0-)

      It no longer matters to them what's in it, or how much the Democrats gave away just to pass something that helped some people, or how much it will help those people, or how much money it will save, or how it contains nothing that will hurt any citizen in any way. It is just symbol for the president actually having DONE something, and they simply want to nullify his entire administration. Didn't one of them say something about repealing everything he's done in four years? They simply want to eliminate his presidency from history.

      It's not remotely about the Affordable Care Act or anything in it.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:44:27 PM PST

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    •  Did anybody inform Johm of Orange (0+ / 0-)

      that his party just got their asses kicked in the last election?

      Oh, now I think I get it: he is playing to his ignorant, conservative, science-denying base for 2014?

      In that case, keep up the good work, John!

    •  Why government by the people appears on the (1+ / 0-)
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      horizon, then the people are enemy number one of the petty potentates on Capitol Hill.  When the people govern, then our representatives no longer rule in our stead.  They are reduced to the status of public servant and that's a demotion they do not embrace with enthusiasm.
      Keep in mind that neither the judiciary, nor the executive are similarly affected. The judiciary continues subordinate to the law and the executive continues subordinate to the managers of the public purse. It is the managers, who have been accustomed to being insubordinate, as long as they were able to keep a majority of the population out of the process. In a sense, our legislative bodies were able to hold themselves out as similar to regents, acting in loco parentis, as authorities, rather than as agents of stewards. It's because stewards are often tempted to take over (as the parable of the Unjust Steward in the Bible explains), that the Constitution provides for a biennial review.
      Of course, it is difficult for citizens to know what is being done in their name as long as secrecy is the order of the day.  Which is why history will likely show that FOIA and the various government in the sunshine requirements were the more significant achievements in the struggle for civil rights than the universal suffrage requirement.  Knowing what's going on is more important than voting from time to time. Communciation is key and speech is not free when the medium of exchange is being rationed by Congress.

      The Congressional incentive for rationing money is power.

      We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 05:17:31 AM PST

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    •  I don't think that will happen (0+ / 0-)

      More likely, the average person will consider the benefits of Obamacare to be "just how things should work" and we'll have instant amnesia about pre-existing conditions and recision and the like. No one will get credit.

      The exchanges might help politically, since they're a new system with a new name. But mostly you'll be dealing with the same insurance companies, especially if you get your insurance through your employer.

  •  Here's what I see (7+ / 0-)

    Harry Reid looking like he couldn't be happier.  Relaxed, comfortable............

    Was it something I said, John?

    Acceleration is a thrill, but velocity gets you there

    by CarolinNJ on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:08:02 PM PST

  •  I hope they repeal it, and replace it with (6+ / 0-)

    a single payer if!

    Sent via African Swallow carrying a coconut

    by ipaman on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:08:36 PM PST

    •  The foots in the door. nt (4+ / 0-)

      Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

      by franklyn on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:14:34 PM PST

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    •  If all the repugnican Governors...... (3+ / 0-)

      ....let responsibility for exchanges fall to the federal government, maybe that would offer the chance of MEDICARE FOR ALL!!!

      One can hope.......

      "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

      by CyberDem on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:34:06 PM PST

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    •  It can't come soon enough (1+ / 0-)
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      The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains. – Paul Simon, "Train In The Distance."

      by Omir the Storyteller on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:46:48 PM PST

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    •  I too wonder if these companies who will play (2+ / 0-)
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      games, will just lead to more exposure at how much the public is subsidizing their businesses.

      For Walmart, there was a diary yesterday posting that the number of workers who are on food-stamps, medicaid, or other public assistance means that the Taxpayers are supporting Walmart at over $400,000 per store, each year.

    •  Public Option may already be in place (3+ / 0-)

      Most recently a Daily Kos Diary titled: A Shocking Obamacare Fact No One Realizes disclosed that the rethugs may have been punked at their own game and that over the next 12-18 months we may well see what will pass as a "Public (need I say/suggest single payer) Health Care Plan" that will be managed by the United States Office of Personnel Management (OPM).

      The previous Diary describes this multistate health plan as follows:

      "The national plans will compete directly with other private insurers and may have some significant advantages, including a federal seal of approval. Premiums and benefits for the multistate insurance plans will be negotiated by the United States Office of Personnel Management, the agency that arranges health benefits for federal employees."

      "The federal standards will pre-empt state rules in at least one respect: the national health plans will automatically be eligible to compete against other private insurers in the new exchanges, regardless of whether they have been certified as meeting the standards of those exchanges."

      In summation, there is no pure public option. However, a non-profit option (that will be just as good as the public option) was snuck in and camouflauged. The non-profit option has the pure public option's spirits.

      Given many Rethug/Red states are opting not to establish State Health Insurance Exchanges, we may see the Red States leading the way in their residents electing health insurance coverage through this multistate health plan to be overseen/operated by the OPM.  

      P.S.  The apparent genius of this multistate plan/approach is the fact that as to be eligible to participate in the multistate program, insurers must be licensed in every state, the Government Employees Health Association recently bought a company that has the licenses it would need and accordingly will operate as any other major health insurance provider.

  •  What really drives them nuts (7+ / 0-)

    ...besides the fact that the Democrats will have another major popular legislative accomplishment on their hands... the idea that workers will have one less significant reason to be terrified of losing their jobs.  We can't have that!  Must keep the rubes poor, desperate and terrified in order to minimize costs.

  •  leave Obamacare alone (3+ / 0-)

    Or even better reform it to make money to finance the US Federal Government.  One advantage of adding a public option is that it would be profitable, both because private insurance is profitable and because public insurance has much lower administrative costs.  

    The Medicare trust fund could be bolstered by selling Medicare to people under 65 for cost plus profit to pay for Medicare for people over 65.  This is a no brainer.  It was blocked by Lieberman because Weiner (in his really costly indiscretion) explained that it would eliminate private health insurance companies which just can't compete with the CMS.

    Market competition, reduced deficits, consumers free to choose.  What's not to like ?  Only people who care more about profits than efficiency or competition can oppose Medicare buy in.  Sad to say such people are not called "Republicans" since many are conservadems and one of them is soon to be ex senator Lieberman.

  •  Marketing Obamacare (4+ / 0-)

    There has been a persistent problem with the marketing of Obamacare.  Even before it was enacted, most of what people were saying about was not true.

    Pretty much everyone has heard about the mandate and the death panels, but how many know that it saves the federal government money?

    What we have here is a failure to communicate.  

    •  No kidding. Most people don't have a clue what (2+ / 0-)
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      it does, doesn't do etc. Like a majority of people don't know.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:48:51 PM PST

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  •  Damn the facts. It's paranoia and ideology (6+ / 0-)

    every minute, all the time. I was just reading my congress monster's [John Campbell CA-Wackadoodle] recent diatribe in his monthly newsletter sent to my e-mail:

    Ok, Mr. President. Let's look at another issue - Obamacare. You want to keep it in place. We want to completely repeal it. A compromise would be to repeal part of it. Leaving it alone is NOT compromise.

    Now, real compromise would be, for example, to raise taxes on people making over $250,000 per year AND repeal Obamacare completely. That is compromise because the president gets his way in one area and House Republicans get ours in another.

    Of course I had to wade through his tribute to Ayn Rand in the post before reaching that gem.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:15:32 PM PST

    •  Send him back the vote totals for Pres, Senate (4+ / 0-)
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      and House.

      •  He's a bagger. Won't matter what I send him. (2+ / 0-)
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        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:46:53 PM PST

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        •  Send him to Somalia (1+ / 0-)
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          That would matter to him. (I know it's "where" not "what" but still.)

          The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains. – Paul Simon, "Train In The Distance."

          by Omir the Storyteller on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:49:22 PM PST

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        •  OK, start planning how you will hang the anchor (3+ / 0-)
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          of his Tax pledge around his neck.

          Grover Norquist is going down.

          Even Forbes is now recognizing that Grover's schtick is over-done. Link is in a comment to the diary.

          According to an investigative report on Abramoff’s lobbying released last week by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, Americans for Tax Reform served as a “conduit” for funds that flowed from Abramoff’s clients to surreptitiously finance grass-roots lobbying campaigns. As the money passed through, Norquist’s organization kept a small cut, e-mails show. A second group Norquist was involved with, the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, received about $500,000 in Abramoff client funds…”


          Whether you support tax increases for some or detest the very notion of anything short of a decrease in taxes, we elect leaders to think for themselves and to serve the needs of their constituents. Unless you are an elected official from a district that Grover Norquist calls home, Mr. Norquist, and his Americans For Tax Reform, are not a constituency—they are a special interest lobby.

          The time has come for a little GOP courage. While Mr. Norquist may have been able to impose his will on Republican incumbents who fear a primary challenge from the right courtesy of Grover Norquist, the reality is that there are only so many such challenges Mr. Norquist can afford to mount. Therefore, the more GOP elected officials who reject the notion of handing over their vote to the likes of Grover Norquist, the lower the odds that these politicians will pay the price for their defection come election season.

          The clock on Grover Norquist’s fifteen minutes of fame has expired—and the sooner Republican incumbents and candidates figure this out, the sooner they will be able to impress the voters with their willingness to think for themselves and for their constituencies rather than turning control over to a lobbyist.

    •  We DID compromise (1+ / 0-)
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      Democrats gave away 90% of what they wanted, and got a nice little package of trinkets. Now the Republicans are carrying on because they want 100% — they want no health care bill. They want to repeal the 10% we got.

      Now your wackadoodle congressman wants to link two things with no connection simply in order to get 100% on health care and be able to say the President did nothing in his first term. The cruelty and complete amorality of people like this is stunning — especially when they try to masquerade as "Christians" (which I'm betting he does).

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:47:34 PM PST

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    •  If Repubs actually cared about the deficit, (0+ / 0-)

      We were running a surplus under Bill Clinton, and the unemployment rate was at a post-Vietnam War low. Supply Siders were dissatisfied with that, but they couldn't show how an economy could have been overtaxed and still produce such numbers. Instead, they resorted to absurdity, saying that ANY tax cut will bring in more revenue--as if we could abolish taxes and so much money would just drift into the government's nets that we wouldn't know what to do with it all.

      George W. Bush came in and cut taxes anyways, and ran up a deficit that crossed the trillion dollar mark before he left office. If the Repus actually cared about deficits, they would blame him for the damage he did, and would have no problem seeing them repealed.

      The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

      by Judge Moonbox on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:24:24 PM PST

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  •  The Copy/Paste is Strong with this one. (2+ / 0-)
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    How many times have you repeated this argument?  

    Like I tell my kids, I told you NO, once.

    Asking me again in a slightly different manner is not going to make your point stronger, Boehner.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:15:39 PM PST

  •  So why doesn't this get press? (3+ / 0-)

    No, don't tell me "The media is biased." There are quarter million readers here. If a tenth of them wrote to a major Sunday talk show, the question would HAVE to be asked.

    We can force the truth! Why don't we?

  •  And He Could Leave Social Security Alone Because (3+ / 0-)
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    it's not part of the budget.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:19:54 PM PST

    •  I forget if it was the NYT or WAPO, but I read (0+ / 0-)

      today a piece supporting the permanent exclusion of payroll tax.

      No need to mention my response.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:49:52 PM PST

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  •  Rebubs made health care purely politics long ago. (1+ / 0-)
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    To begin to talk of it, now, as if it were a legitimate issue, would defeat their whole purpose for being.
    It's simply one more strategy that has buried them up to the waist in shit.

    Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

    by franklyn on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:27:58 PM PST

  •  Rethugs can not bitch, having failed to provide (1+ / 0-)
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    a solution. The problem everyone seems to forget was and is the high/extreme cost of U.S. health care in comparison to the rest of the civilized world.
    Click this link to read more.
    No one disputes what the goal is, i.e., reduce U.S. health care costs that are an estimated 16%-17% of U.S GDP, which will ultimately sink us if not remedied. Correct me if I am mistaken, but to date the Rethugs have NOT proposed any plan, short of a free market free for all, the likes of which has to date failed.  Presently, I suggest that America must allow Obama Care the chance to succeed. The rethugs under w had their chance to do something, and refused. They must now either assist in improving Obama Care going forward, or sit down and keep their collective mouths shut.

  •  If they cared (1+ / 0-)
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    They would have done something when Reagan was pushing the country to the brink, or when Bush pushed the country over the brink.

    As much as we may not want this fiscal cliff, it is what we have.  If we let the current situation be, then we will have massive cuts in military spending and taxes going up for everyone.  Given what we now know about the excessive spending to generals, and other wasteful military expenditures, I think we can find cuts.  The cuts are not going to be that much.  All that congress needs to do is a small downpayment on the $454 billion of cuts over the next decade. This could be as little as a few percent.  

    If the conservatives want a balanced budget, we have it.  The fact that are reneging shows a great lack of character.

    •  They never care about deficits when they are (3+ / 0-)
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      For my entire lifetime, which dates back to LBJ, Republicans have spent like drunken sailors when in control, and screamed "OMFG THE DEFICIT!!@!@!!" when out of power.
      President Obama is responsibly reducing the deficit while preserving the things We, The People do for each other.

      Everybody got to elevate from the norm....

      by Icicle68 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:51:53 PM PST

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    •  I wish that every time a Republican expressed ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... "concern" about the deficit, the Democratic response would be to simply hold up a sign with a picture of Dick Cheney and the words:

      "Reagan proved deficits don't matter."
                       Dick Cheney, 2004
  •  i'm so sick of the bullshit from these people. (1+ / 0-)
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    they are wasting time and money.  
    and they don't even know what they're talking about. fuck 'em.

    this is an 'education' issue.  people need to be better educated on what obamacare does for them.  and we shouldn't stop until we see people demonstrating signs that read 'government, hands off my obamacare'. until we've ripped their constituencies out from under them.

    November 6, 2012: United citizens = 1, Citizens United = 0 (-9.75 / -9.05)

    by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:44:05 PM PST

  •  If he really cared, he'd demand single payer. (0+ / 0-)

    Or if he half cared, he would demand a PO.

  •  When millions of people who couldn't get (0+ / 0-)

    health insurance are getting actual health CARE in America, our healthy population will finally blossom into an American spring. Imagine that.

    “Social Security has nothing to do with balancing a budget or erasing or lowering the deficit.” -- Ronald Reagan, 1984 debate with Walter Mondale

    by RJDixon74135 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:58:23 PM PST

  •  debt creators (0+ / 0-)

    "President Obama has generated less debt than President Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush combined." via Denise A Romano on Facebook.

    If this is accurate, then Republicans just need to shut up and let President Obama take the lead on this.

    People will always remember how you made them feel.

    by imeanit on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:02:54 PM PST

  •  no (0+ / 0-)

    no, if congress were serious about debt reduction, it could expand obamacare, not just leave it alone. universal single-payer health care, removing the insurance pirates from the scene and covering those left uncovered by obamacare, would stimulate the economy by billions. the economic growth, and the decline in health care costs, resultant from universal single-payer would reduce the debt twice...

    "Every journalist who is not too stupid or too full of himself to notice what is going on knows that what he does is morally indefensible." - Janet Malcolm

    by slangist on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:07:39 PM PST

  •  How come (0+ / 0-)

    When Diane Sawyer interviewed Boehner he stated that Obamacare was the law of the land and that at most they may want to make minor adjustments.  I guess one of his minor adjustments would be to get rid of it completely.

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

    by Rosalie907 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:14:48 PM PST

  •  If serious about deficits ... (1+ / 0-)
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    they would demand that Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act, be amended to make it a single-payer system which would driven down total system costs.

    Short of this, if serious about deficits, they would drive in negotiation on drug prices for all Federal medical care which would only have savings in the range of $50 billion per year.

    If serious ...

    Why are we wasting the words because they are only serious about drowning government in the bathtub with the exception of where they can enrich themselves or their friends.

    Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

    by A Siegel on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:26:30 PM PST

  •  That's the entire Republican game, isn't it? They (1+ / 0-)
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    run deficits up sky high, then use them as an excuse to threaten Social Security, Medicare, and now Obamacare.

  •  33 times? Not true! (0+ / 0-)

    bagster extraordinaire Andy Harris sez just twice.

    The other 31 were only about PARTS of the Obamacare law.


    Thump! Bang. Whack-boing. It's dub!

    by dadadata on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 03:34:05 AM PST

  •  According to Fox News watchers ... (0+ / 0-)

    Businesses will continue to just barely get along until we solve the deficit problem. The deficit is what is holding back the whole economy - especially business owners. So sayeth my brother-in-law at a family dinner yesterday.

    That's when I bit my tongue so hard it nearly bled. I could not - would not - get baited yesterday. It's completely ugly when that happens and I swore I would stay out of it. But when he said that all taxes are going up 25% on January 1 because of Obama, I just had to say something. What followed wasn't pretty.

  •  The House is responsible for issuing and (0+ / 0-)

    managing our currency. If there is not enough, it is because they have rationed it for their own purposes -- i.e. to punish the people instead of providing for the general welfare.
    Why would our representatives want to do that? Why do parents send children to bed without dinner? To punish misbehavior. Where did Congress get the idea that they are to act "in loco parentis"? It's what they want and it's what tradition has let them do.  As long as large segments of the populace were legally excluded (segregated) from governing, our legislators presuming to rule, rather than serve, was difficult to contradict. But, universal suffrage introduced a  new regime in the year 1971, a good long while after some of the old guard in Congress were born. That the dollar was liberated from the bonds of gold the same year was a coincidence. That the significance of that action was lost on some members of Congress should not be surprising since President Nixon, who issued the executive order to sever the connection between the dollar and gold, did not appreciate the long-term significance. Nixon merely aimed to protect the dollar from international speculators. He seemingly did not appreciate the role domestic speculators would play nor the financial empires they would eventually construct on the backs of the American workers, depleting our natural and physical resources to erect their virtual reality.

    We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 04:58:28 AM PST

  •  there is something he could do: (0+ / 0-)

    if deficits were the problem then one payer, public option etc would knock about 20% of the health costs away...

    this is the elephant in the room and the only reason to ignore this is someone is being very well paid to do so.

  •  Its part of their long term strategy (1+ / 0-)
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    to achieve "permanence" of their ideology in government.

    Stumbled on this old interview with Thomas Franks yesterday, author of "What's the Matter with Kansas" and "The Wrecking Crew"

    (the relevant part is toward the end of the transript)

    Read the latter book a few years back. all about how Norquist/Abramoff and crew adopted the strategy of "defund the left" long ago and then sold their services for money to RW special interests.

    BTW read the link back to your older post: 'Republicans Have No Credibility on the Deficit.' Good stuff. wish someone was listening...

    It still amazes me how stupid a huge swath of the American people are that they can see this all go down in real time and then still swallow the RW propaganda that Obama caused the blown up deficit with his "socialism."

    Has anyone besides me noticed that this is sort of the infamous "Cloward-Piven Strategy" in reverse? Run up the deficit with Crony Capitalism/Defense Spending/Tax Cuts for the Rich/Deregulation of the Markets...Throw millions into Poverty so that the Safety Net, the hated"Welfare State" is overstretched, Burn your bridges electorally (temporarily) with endless scandals and overt corruption/theft/wars so that an interim Democrat government gets into white house and/or congress, Then Blame Him/Them for the mess? And get back into Power. Rinse and repeat...

    I've always wondered if Beck got the boot because he was to close to the truth of the method they were using--even tho he was blaming the "Vast Progressive Conspiracy/Liberals/Soros etc." He was often showing exactly how the real bad guys were pulling it off. You can only take the "blame the other guys for what you're doing" bit so far before people start catching on, and I think they might have got spooked. Nah, Fox didn't go broke underestimating the gullibility of their audience.

    no man is completely worthless, he can always be used as a bad example.

    by srfRantz on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 07:40:05 AM PST

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    Obamacare was never designed to work in an economic sense. You can't add millions of people to private healthcare without expanding the healthcare sector, and therefore the cost to the economy. The cost structure for private health insurance is simply too high.

    The only way this is going to work is for all healthcare in the US to be part of a public system where we eliminate those profits. That's how you cut the hundreds of billions of dollars each year wasted in the system and get the total cost of that sector down to something we can afford.

    So, if Boehner wants to "fix" Obamacare he has to look to a full-scale publicly-funded system, one that eliminates health insurance companies altogether. This is the inevitable result because for-profit healthcare is simply too expensive to provide affordable, universal healthcare.

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    I have signed up to push for single payer in California. With the majority we now have in the legislature and a Democratic Governor, I think we have the best chance ever to get there. If we do, CA will take off economically because employers will find that a huge chunk of the operating expenses will disappear, labor motility will increase dramatically, and we will be come a competition magnet as people from other States try to move to CA. Once we go down that road, it's just a matter of time before the whole country goes that way.

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 10:01:51 AM PST

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