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Several weeks after Obama's sweeping victory many of us were trying to avoid politics (gloating that is) at  thanksgiving family gatherings. I was sitting in a crowded small living room watching the Redskins play the Cowboys. Among the audience were avid right wingers as well as a couple of recent Wisconsin Uprising veterans.  

One politically active octogenarian loudly proclaims:

"I am not a fan of either team but I hope the Redskins lose.  That Griffin (quarterback) is a damned nigger with an attitude, all those (niggers) have one."
There is no doubt he was referring to the president and expressing bitter resentment about Romney's loss.  In fairness to this individual I have seen him interact with many people including people of color and he has only acted with respectful deference in every instance. He also would have voted against Obama if he were white.

My purpose in sharing this is to shed light and argue against many who claim racism is a thing of the past.  And to ask: How did other family gatherings react to the elections? Poll past the fold.


Over Thanksgiving My Family:

45%59 votes
8%11 votes
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41%55 votes

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  •  We're all liberal Democrats here - no arguments. (4+ / 0-)

    Gravitation cannot be held responsible for people falling in love. - Einstein

    by moose67 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 09:21:50 AM PST

    •  Me too (0+ / 0-)

      A little discussion no more

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 02:52:31 PM PST

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  •  I have very very elderly family members (7+ / 0-)

    who have still said extremely inappropriate things like that (not often, but it has happened in the past).  I live in the South, and someone in his/her eighties or 90's grew up in a time (1930's, 1940's) when things like that were said in casual conversation all the time.  Frankly, at my family gatherings, even when the room is overwhelmingly conservative, a comment like that is typically met with stunned silence.  When it's a very very elderly family member like that, we tend to let it go, or maybe (depending on the mental acuity of the person) make a comment about how that is not appropriate.  We don't use it as an occasion to start a battle.   I find that very elderly people often have no filter and say things that, if they were younger and perhaps thinking a bit more coherently, they would never say.  More importantly, you aren't going to change the mind of an eighty year old, and the rest of the family -- progressive, conservative, whatever -- all recognize that something like that is completely wrong.  I tend to look at it as a teaching moment for my children -- explaining why that's wrong and offensive, and while we aren't going to start a fight with Great-Grandpa because as we get old, our thinking is sometimes fuzzy, we don't allow that in our family.  

    •  i too live in the south (and was listening to that (2+ / 0-)
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      game on the radio, on the way back from my sister-in-law's house), and there are some older/elderly members, who grew up in the jim crow era. at least for the moment, we've managed to avoid most of the inappropriate blurtings racist & sexist. the few times they've happened, they've been greeted with stunned silence (and looks that could kill, from my mother-in-law). when i was younger, i wouldn't let stuff like that pass, without responding. i think they got the point, and at least refrain from doing it in my presence.

    •  Although elderly, not incompetent. (0+ / 0-)

      I am not writing the fellow off as incoherent, he is sharp as most 30 year olds.

      From the liberal contingent it was dead silence out of respect for the rest of the family. Who wants to fan a fire at a holiday gathering?

      Am I wrong in thinking that someone believing most anything on Fox will not be open to rational discussion? The input, not the computer is faulty.  

    •  Please see my reply to next post ... (0+ / 0-)

      It was meant for you, how did it end up there?

  •  geojumper - how about had a thoughtful (1+ / 0-)
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    discussion about the election?

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 09:44:33 AM PST

  •  any racist comment (6+ / 0-)

    and the individual puking them out is not longer welcome in our houe...don't give a rat's ass if they are family!!!!

  •  On my husband's side, no one talked (2+ / 0-)
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    about politics because no one cares about politics.

    I know from her facebook posts that my daughter-in-law was happy that President Obama won, but that's it.

    On my side, politics isn't spoken, but I know they are all republicans.  But now so much vocal on the subject.

    Those right wing radicals- well, they don't want to socialize with folk who don't share their values.

    Growing old is inevitable...Growing up is purely optional

    by grannycarol on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 10:56:35 AM PST

  •  wait a second..."Redskins"? (1+ / 0-)
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    I found it ironic that you passed over that name to get to the racism you wanted to talk about.

    •  Bingo (1+ / 0-)
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      I always hope the Washington Racists lose.  

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 02:53:29 PM PST

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  •  We're all Pro-Obama (1+ / 0-)
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    And there were only 5 of us anyway so it was short and sweet. And since President Obama won releection there hasn't been much political talk around the house.

  •  The Election Results... (0+ / 0-)

    ...were one of the things my family gave thanks for this Thanksgiving.

    “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

    by RoIn on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 01:32:54 PM PST

  •  Uh, I don't think the Cowboys.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....were as snowy white as the pre-Bear Bryant Alabama team.

    And someone should change Washington's nickname to something at least more neutral Native American, although Snyder's such a pigheaded jerk that it ain't gonna be him.

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 02:43:02 PM PST

  •  your poll missed an option, (0+ / 0-)

    what if we agreed on politics?

    Where did the rest of the elves go?

    by thepothole on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 06:05:59 PM PST

  •  Oh, gee...I wonder if kossack chingchongchinaman (0+ / 0-)

    plays football?

    I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves. -John Wayne (-9.00,-8.86)

    by Jonathan Hoag on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 09:40:52 PM PST

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