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Hi DKos community,

This is a slightly odd diary, but I've had a job offer from around Perry Point, MD and i'm trying to figure out if I could live there.  I haven't actually seen the area yet - the interview was by phone, and I plan to request a chance to go down and look around before giving an answer. Hopefully they'll agree to that.  The job itself sounds exciting and interesting to me, but I'm anxious about the location.  I thought some of you might have some insight about that area - could a bisexual progressive writer of fiction (not the way I make a living) make a life around there, or would it involve lots of hour long drives to Baltimore to be happy?  Not that I'm adverse to going into Baltimore, but I know I wouldn't have it in me to do an hour commute on a daily basis - it would have to be weekends only if I had to go to Baltimore for everything.  I'm an introvert, and I know I have to really push myself to make an effort to meet people and build community, so if it's really hard to do, I could be in trouble.  I'd be leaving a city that, on the one hand has not offered me a lot of stimulation, but on the other, has been my home for a very long time and I have close friends, so it's scary to think of moving where I know not a soul.  Thoughts? Advice?  Places to look at when I'm there?


Originally posted to Ramelle on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:17 PM PST.

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  •  I Am Being Lazy, But Where Is (2+ / 0-)
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    rb608, Lujane

    Perry Point, MD?

    Lived a lot in and around the state. Also it would help to know where you live now.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:20:46 PM PST

  •  Move to Oregon! (sorry, don't know much of MD) (2+ / 0-)
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    pdxteacher, exlrrp

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:22:10 PM PST

  •  People in MD are sticklers for grammar. (8+ / 0-)

    So I would bone up on the difference between advise and advice if I were you.

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:27:20 PM PST

  •  Well.... (4+ / 0-)

    Perryville has a dying outlet center, but it does have a pretty new casino. On the other hand, I don't know anyone who has been there, and with the new casino at Arundel Mills, I doubt I ever will.

    Havre de Grace is kinda interesting, if you don't mind paying the toll to go there each time. Of course, you're only 2 hours from the Delaware shore, if you're looking for some gay culture. You're also neatly placed almost midway between Baltimore and Philly.  

    But, Perryville? I've never been beyond the outlets and the gas station, but I wouldn't hold out big hopes.

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    by FischFry on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:28:45 PM PST

    •  You are not (0+ / 0-)

      selling it to me.  My goal is to move someplace more stimulating and progressive than where I currently live, not less...

      •  Harford county is regressively red. (0+ / 0-)

        Cecil county is like Appalachia.

        That is, if I were to describe them on a day when I was feeling cranky.

        With some exceptions. I've been all over Cecil and in eastern Harford. Harford is home to Aberdeen proving ground and many defense contractors, so the political landscape is not the cliche of " progressive democratic" often applied to Maryland.

        Andy Harris, congressman from ALEC-Norquist, represents the Shore and much of Harford.

        As someone said, the Rehoboth Beach area is definitely lgbt friendly, though as far as I can determine most folks with second homes are from DC. (not a scientific sample).

        People do a lot of driving in Maryland.

        Thump! Bang. Whack-boing. It's dub!

        by dadadata on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 04:26:51 AM PST

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        •  The driving part is my main gripe about the place. (0+ / 0-)
        •  Tell me about it (0+ / 0-)

          I live on the Eastern Shore, and really hate the "shorebilly" way of life out here. Granted, I come form central PA, which is just a bit of Alabama transplanted, but the sheer wingnuttery drives me insane some days. And we had a chance to get rid of Harris, but it didn't go so well. (See my diary here for more on this: The Write-In Conundrum)

          On the plus side, though, Maryland is a strong liberal/progressive state, as can be seen from our approval of marriage equality, DREAM Act, and other Democratic-sponsored programs. There are pockets of liberalness to be found, usually in the college towns and urban centers, but they are separated (usually) by great swathes of rural conservative-leaning spaces.

          All in all, one of the better states to live in, IMHO.

          "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" - Red Green

          by FlashfyreSP on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 04:25:49 PM PST

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    •  Yeah, Perryville ain't an oasis. (4+ / 0-)

      As you say, the outlets are as good as dead, and haven't been worth a damn anyway since LL Bean left.  I stopped by the casino once just to see, and it was kinda pathetic IMO.  Don't know why folks go to those things.

      Havre de Grace is an interesting little town that's nicely situated and picturesque, but urban it isn't.  On the Cecil County side, Port Deposit could be cool, and I keep hoping that will happen, but it's in Cecil County and gets flooded every few years, so it has a somewhat unique culture.

      "It is not, you fucking liberal prick." ..My RW friend Dave's last words to me.

      by rb608 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:41:06 PM PST

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  •  Check your Kosmail. (7+ / 0-)

    I'm your guy for this one.

    "It is not, you fucking liberal prick." ..My RW friend Dave's last words to me.

    by rb608 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:31:39 PM PST

  •  As far as the commute goes... (5+ / 0-)

    You'd have the advantage of the reverse commute. Depending on where you chose to live -- let's say you were OK living around the topside of the Beltway, instead of downtown, you could do the commute in less than an hour  (probably more than an hour, if you wanted to be in the city)-- but watch out for the troopers.

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    by FischFry on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:34:11 PM PST

  •  Any part of Maryland is beautiful . .. (5+ / 0-)

    Come amongst us and Green power!!

  •  Hiya! I just moved to Maryland a couple of years (8+ / 0-)

    ago. As it happened I moved to Baltimore. Unfortunately, my sister, who has lived here since college is away, she's far more familiar with areas outside of the immediate urban area than I am. All in all, I find Maryland to be a highly progressive state. If you're coming from any of our more liberal regions, you'll probably be relatively content here. If you're coming from someplace exciting, you might be bored, even in Baltimore. I know a few out people in Baltimore, how they feel about the rest of the state I don't know. If you're seriously considering it, I would be glad to ask around and see if anyone has any suggestions.

    Sometimes, one town in an area might be better than another in terms of how comfortable you feel living openly. All in all, Maryland's pretty nice. I move here from New York City, so I confess to feeling a little bored sometimes. However, I have to say that this is the most leftward leaning place I've ever lived, and that includes NYC. As you probably know, they had a referendum to confirm a law allowing same sex marriages in the state. I was entirely confident that it would pass despite a huge effort on the part of the opponents.

    It's always scary moving where you know no one. I've done it several times myself. Good-luck. I'll ask around and get back to you if I hear anything significant one way or another.

    Letting us know where you've lived in the past might help in terms of knowing your expectations.

    •  Thank you (1+ / 0-)
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      I'll keep checking this diary to see what those of you who know the area have to say.  I'm hoping to get a trip out there around the weekend of the 14th, so that gives me some time to try to find things out.  Now, of course, if they don't want to wait for me to see the area, I'll have to just decide and I'll probably decline.  I don't think I have it in me to agree to move to a place sight unseen.

  •  I added a Maryland tag, so other Kossacks from (3+ / 0-)

    this area will see the post. There's quite a few.

  •  I moved here in '97 and would leave in an instant (2+ / 0-)
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    Cartoon Peril, Lujane

    if I thought our house would sell.

    We're just over the city line, in Baltimore County. Coming from Seattle, I didn't find MD to be as progressive as I'd heard but I don't know your benchmark on such things.

    It is hot here in summer but not much of a winter. Plenty of history and the people are friendly enough. Perryville area is probably cleaner but Baltimore is fairly filthy.

    People here laugh at my New England accent; something I find quite amusing given the Maryland/mid-Atlantic accents here.

    For me the heat is the deal-breaker. You might very well fall in love with the area.

    ...religion is the smile on a dog...

    by lbl1162 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:54:57 PM PST

    •  I don't do well in the heat (1+ / 0-)
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      so that could be a consideration.  I seem to have more trouble breathing and generally feel less well.  

      I currently live in Syracuse, NY if that helps anybody.  My goal is to move to a more vibrant, not less vibrant area.  

      •  Breathing? I should tell you that Maryland is (1+ / 0-)
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        one of the worst states for allergies. Now, that said, my sister has bad allergies and asthma and won't live anywhere else. Personally, I think you should visit. It seems to me that you won't be sure any other way.

        It's a nice state over all. There are definitely places in the country I'd never live, as, yes, a bisexual middle-aged single left-of-center woman. (I mean me, not you.) But, Manhattan it is not. Also, the state is blue enough that when you read about all that crazy Alec inspired legislation, you can still sleep well at night. That keeps me from going off my rocker some days.

        Syracuse, that's damned boring, now. Is there anything there outside of a couple of colleges? How comfortable are you driving? That might make a difference. I hate driving so I only live in urban areas. I'd take Maryland over New York State any day, by the way. I went to college in the Hudson Valley. Pretty but. . .

        •  you could almost be describing me (1+ / 0-)
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          except I'm in a long distance relationship (which sometimes is pretty much like being single, since it's still a matter of who to do something with on a saturday night). I enjoy driving, but would prefer to avoid a long commute if possible, just because of my chronic health problems and the fact that I already find the work day to be exhausting without the long commute.  I realize my wish list is a bit unrealistic.  A more urban/progressive environment, but no commute, and good cost of living so I can afford to travel, live in a decent place etc.  Syracuse has its pros and cons - it can be boring, but I do have good friends here and the cost of living is so low that I can afford to travel to cool places.  On the other hand, there are times I feel like I'm drowning in the lack of a good vibrant community.  I get together with writing friends once a year for a week and find myself wishing there were some way I could put that in my life on a regular basis.  I suspect I'd be happy in a place like Northampton, smallish town, close to a big city, but a sort of urban feel to it.  I did my MFA in Montperlier, VT and, even though it was tiny, I really liked that town a lot too, which maybe gives a sense of the kind of place I think I could be happy in.  I like Ithaca, but my sense and what I've heard is it can be a hard town to get by in. I've wanted to get to Boston, but it's hard to find jobs that pay enough to make it possible to live there.  

          •  I've found that to function well in I absolutely (1+ / 0-)
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            must live in a large city. It's a bit unfortunate, because we don't have that many large walkable cities in this country. I feel just so stifled in a suburban environment. By vibrant, you seem to mean a town with a center and some stuff going on. Probably the one place I've lived that would fit that description but wasn't really a big city was Quebec City. Unfortunately, that's on the other side of the border and not likely to be a choice. I've also lived in Philly.

            One of the reasons, really the major reason, I wound up in Baltimore is because of the cost of living. I have mixed feelings about it. However, every place I'd like more, I can't afford. I'm going to be traveling for the first time in ages and part of that is because I've cut down my cost of living. People say nice things about the west coast, and although I've thought about it, I'm a cynical bitchy New Yorker and not in the least bit pc. When I went to spend time with a friend in San Francisco, I felt like a fish out of water.

            On the other hand, I have to say the cost of property in Baltimore, well it's so low it feels like they're giving it away for free. So I have a lifestyle that I couldn't have just about anyplace else.

            I did get to talk to my sister. It's unlikely you would be living in Perry Point itself, because apparently the only thing there is the VA hospital, which she said is a great place. (She started her career as a dance therapist and has worked in variety of hospitals around the state.) If you don't like commuting and you want to live in a place with a clear town center and a sense of community, it sounds like it's not for you. Though, I should say I feel a little funny saying that to someone I don't know.

            Also, I'd advise you to think twice about some of the more suburban areas a few people on this thread have mentioned. The pattern of settlement was very different in the Maryland and Virginia areas than it was in New England. It tended to be based around plantations rather than around town centers. (I learned this in an architecture history class.) You get very few of the cute little towns like Northhampton (I had a friend who lived there, so I know the town.) There are a few, but you have to look for them. Much of the area is just sprawl.

            If you wind up in Baltimore, there are a lot of different neighborhoods and the character between them varies surprisingly. They call it "Smalltimore" because it feels smaller than it really is. I think the town is underrated. My own impression is that its reputation suffers because of a subconcious bias against African Americans. I can't prove that, but that's my hunch.

    •  Admittedly, the heat is bad. (2+ / 0-)
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      some other george, Lujane

      When choosing an apartment or house, think of that. My place is pretty comfortable most of the time, but many years ago I spent a summer with my sister in a neighborhood called Remington and I fled north as soon as I could.

      Your own sensitivity to heat (I hate it) and the specific situation of your home and work can make a huge difference.

  •  I Love Me Some Baltimore But (4+ / 0-)

    You will be closer to Wilmington, DE, I think. Nonetheless, I bet the local crabs are to die for. Crustaceans I mean.

    We will never have the elite, smart people on our side. - Rick Santorum

    by easong on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:56:03 PM PST

  •  If you are looking at politics, though... (5+ / 0-)

    ...remember that anywhere outside of the Baltimore-Washington corridor is RED.  

    I live in Central Maryland about an hour and a half from you and we went 75% Romney.  That's pretty typical.  In Cecil County you'll be in the 1st Congressional District covering the whole Eastern Shore and a great deal of the northern border in a big upside down L.  After the latest imaginative redistricting project, it's the GOP's only seat and it's very safe.

    OTOH, Cecil College seems to have a pretty active theatre program for a two year school.  It's theatre is named for Milburn Stone, who played Doc Adams on Gunsmoke. He apparently left them money although he wasn't from here.

    Progressive LIBERAL-right, yet "disloyal" since January 20, 2001

    by howie14 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 07:06:09 PM PST

    •  I concur. (3+ / 0-)

      The 1st District can be pretty redneck.  Ramelle, if you can work in that area but reverse commute from one of the more artsy areas of the Baltimore area, do it.  Make sure you live in a district represented by a Democrat, because I can tell you from observation that Andy Harris is a waste as a congresscritter.

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      by Noor B on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 07:24:21 PM PST

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  •  I am of course biased... (5+ / 0-)

    ... since Maryland is my home state, but it is a pretty progressive place, overall.  Roads are well-maintained, the state government is sane, and the public schools are some of the best in the nation (if that is relevant to you).  

    Not as familiar with the Havre de Grace area, the only time I've been up in that neighborhood was for the Maryland Faerie Festival last summer.  It was pretty, though, nice rolling hills, and near the water.

    •  Not being biased... (0+ / 0-)

      ...I've lived in a few different states and one Canadian province, I have the impression Maryland is better run than most states. Especially with some of the Alec written legislation we've been seeing, being in a progressive community in a state like Michigan or Pennsylvania would make me worry even if I liked my particular town. In that regard, Baltimore has an advantage over Philly, for instance.

  •  It's the middle of nowhere (3+ / 0-)
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    There is not much there except a lot of trees. I'm from Maryland and have lived here most of my life. But I'm from suburban Washington. Perry Point is not far off 95, so I've driven through there many times. Cecil County is more conservative than the rest of the state, though not as conservative as the panhandle. I went to college in New York City and lived next door to a girl from Cecil County. She was a redneck who I once completely dressed down for using "gay" as a pejorative. I don't think it's a very progressive area. Cecil County went 56-44 against the marriage equality ballot initiative, 59-39 for Mitt Romney, and 45-36 against Senator Cardin. It is located in the new 1st Congressional District, which was drawn as a heat sink for Republican voters in the state. It is represented by tea bagger Andy Harris, who will be the only Republican representative in the Maryland House Caucus for the 113th Congress. Maryland will have a 7-1 split.

    My honest opinion? I wouldn't want to live there.

  •  I live in Havre de Grace… (4+ / 0-)

    …right across the river. Perry Point is in Cecil County, not bad if you don't have kids going to school, at the same time one of the more conservative areas in MD (translation, lots of Tea Partiers).
         I think you should check it out though, and definitely consider Havre de Grace across in Harford County as a location if you like it. A year ago we moved into town from outside (and in 1st dist) It is out of the 1st district though - part of a thin strip of 2nd dist. leading out of Baltimore along Rte. 40 all the way to the Susquehanna. You can see Perry Point from town.
         Yes, life might involve a lot of drives to make you happy, but an hour would be an exaggeration - more like a half hour to 45 minutes.

    I voted for the UPPITY ONE

    by qua on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 07:26:57 PM PST

    •  Havre de Grace is nice... (2+ / 0-)
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      FourthOfJulyAsburyPark, qua

      I have some (very liberal and pro-LGBT) friends who live there - just across the bridge from Perryville.  It's kind of artsy and a nice small town.  It's not conservative either, although much of the area surrounding it is.  I like it, although I prefer larger cities.

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      by econlibVA on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 01:00:02 AM PST

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      •  also, you're only 1h 15 min from Philly (0+ / 0-)

        Also note that you'd only be 1h 15 min from Philadelphia - might be better to head there for fun on weekends instead of Baltimore.

        Yes, Virginia, there is an alternative to the death penalty!

        by econlibVA on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 01:02:19 AM PST

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  •  Sree lives in Perry Hall (2+ / 0-)
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    some other george, Lujane

    He'd be a good new friend.

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    by JamieG from Md on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 07:32:23 PM PST

  •  Well, the first thing you need to do (3+ / 0-)
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    some other george, Bronx59, Lujane

    is to join Maryland Kos.

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    by JamieG from Md on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 07:35:58 PM PST

  •  HdG is charming to visit but not to live there (3+ / 0-)

    HdG is right on the water, very scenic and lovely for a visit but nothing much to do there. For fun you'll want to spend time in the greater Baltimore area an hour away, where there is plenty happening, including a vibe very supportive to LGBT folks. Well, like anywhere it's more supportive to L and G than to B and T. But still. There's a community, and places to connect, and in the I-95 (DC/Baltimore) corridor especially, is reasonably tolerant. As an indicator, Maryland passed marriage equality in the legislature, then a few weeks ago it was ratified by popular vote.

    It's friendly, and homey in a charming way. For example the Baltimore pride parade is much smaller than say NYC (duh?) but feels like a party where everyone's invited. Not so distancing. Very vibrant arts and music scene too. I ask you, how many cities have put up a statue of Frank Zappa?

    Completely understood about not wanting an hour commute. But how about half an hour? One possible compromise might be to live in Belair, half an hour from HdG, not too bad. Belair is a rather red (for Maryland) area, but the natives are friendly. And you'd be only half an hour from anywhere in Baltimore. Or live in Towson or Parkville, 45 minutes from HdG but far more cosmopolitan and open, and of course closer in to the delights of Bawlmore.

    Bottom line ... yeah, work would be out in the sticks. But if you're looking for a city that will offer you stimulation, the Baltimore area is far from the worst place to live.

  •  Wow, I wish you good luck (1+ / 0-)
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    I was the victim of a mini-crime wave years ago when I lived in the North East-Elkton area, but things should have changed a lot since then.

  •  best hottest governor ever (2+ / 0-)
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    FourthOfJulyAsburyPark, Lujane

    just google "martin o'malley guitar" and look at the images of our hot governor, and likely future presidential candidate.

    Maryland is a very progressive state. We just passed 2 major liberal referendums - our version of the Dream Act and marriage equality, and it wasn't really close on either are a deep blue state.

    I've lived here for 26 years now, having moved here right after college from rural southwest PA. I live on the I95 corridor between Baltimore and DC, but have been up to the area of Havre De Grace many times. It is beautiful country, lots of horse stables. The area is rural, but it's not like being in Pennsyltuckey (the area between Pittsburgh and Phili) or the flat rural areas of Indiana or Ohio. You won't see Jesus signs on billboards and semis, you won't see the anti-choice billboards that are prominent along I95 in Florida. Whatever religious zealots we might have in the state, they are not the "in your face" kind.

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    by mdsiamese on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 08:20:59 PM PST

  •  I'm from Maryland and moved to Oregon (0+ / 0-)

    I would agree with other posters: if you want to live somewhere in Maryland, try Baltimore, near Johns Hopkins University, Fells Point, or someplace where there are some educated people.  Havre de Grace ("Have-a-disgrace") is more like a small, southern town than a progressive city.  Redneck, prejudiced, etc.   And you really will be out in the sticks.

    Havre de Grace: good for a half-day visit, not someplace you'd want to live.  (I voted with my feet- livin' here in liberal Portland, Oregon- and never regretting it).

    •  I think not (0+ / 0-)

      It's just a little bit small town, a little bit rural.  I lived in PG county for years, and from DC to a ways north of the Baltimore Beltway it's cool to my urban sensibilities.

      You could live in, oh...say...Baltimore and take the trainat least close to your new job in Perryville...

      Best of both worlds and sit and relax for the 45 minute ride and live in a modern urban center.

      Or you could go and watch the true joy of minor league ball and fish or get a boat for the river.

      Look, it's a lifestyle choice - Perryville will be much less costly then Baltimore and hey deciding what place to have dinner at will be much simpler...LOL sorry - go out look around and make up your own mind, it's the only way!

      •  deciding what place to have dinner at (0+ / 0-)

        if there isn't anyone to have dinner with and aren't any good ethnic restaurants could be a challenge...clearly I need to look around a bit.  

        Thanks to all for the input!

        •  dinner (0+ / 0-)

          Let me not be too unfair.  There are the usual chain places to your hearts content and a few decent local places, but ethnic?  I have not explored extensively but methinks not.

          Lets check Yelp

          Bear in mind those folks giving 4 stars in Perryville might be a tad bit easier to impress then say a Fells Point crowd.

          Yelp Baltimore

          There is some much more to a place then where to eat and most good people in the US are not getting east or west coast quality foods, yet they are still great folks - otoh if you value urban diversity in a place the diversity of restaurants tends to reflect the diversity or lack thereof of the area.

          Perryville does offer the bay and the river...OTOH Baltimore offers many more options IMO, and the MARC train perhaps in concert with a $2000 car you buy to get from Perryville station to the job if there is no other option might be the key to making that happen...  

      •  Is there something less costly then Baltimore? (0+ / 0-)

        If you don't need a condo with a harbor view, Baltimore is dirt cheap.

  •  I'd consider living in Newark, DE (0+ / 0-)

    Your commute would only be about 30 minutes, and you would be going opposite most of the traffic (and as somebody else has said, that is a HUGE factor).  It's also a college town, so probably more progressive than a lot of places.  You're also only about 2 hours from Rehoboth Beach, DE, which has a thriving LGBT scene -- to the point that it's sometimes called "the Key West of the North."

    Baltimore itself has a thriving LGBT community, but having commuted from Baltimore to DC for 15 years, I wouldn't recommend an hour commute, even though you would also be going opposite most of the traffic on that commute.

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    by leevank on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 07:13:29 AM PST

  •  Lived in MD all of my 58 years (1+ / 0-)
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    I grew up in Montgomery County which is one of the most liberal places imaginable but it is a suburb of DC and a little far from Baltimore.  I currently live in Howard County which is midway between DC and Baltimore (closer to Baltimore, actually).  I can be anywhere from Northern VA to the northern Baltimore suburbs, to downtown DC in a matter of 30 - 40 minutes.  I live right in the I95 corridor in a small historic town adjacent to Columbia MD which has pretty much everything anyone would want or need.  Howard Co. is also home to some of the state's best schools if you have kids.  Annapolis is a 30 min. drive as well and it's a great place to hang out.

    “It is the job of the artist to think outside the boundaries of permissible thought and dare say things that no one else will say."—Howard Zinn

    by musiclady on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 08:03:18 AM PST

  •  Just thought I might add. . . (0+ / 0-)

    If you do move to Baltimore you might want to check this out: Creative Alliance

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