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I'm continuing my reporting on the next installment from Conservative Estimate, the recently founded website that is devoted to demolishing Conservatism.

Yesterday, Alfred George showed that religion and science reject the Myth of Independence. He also made the case that society itself provides the evidence that human beings are not independent, but interdependent.

Today he shows that the beliefs of Mythers make them both ungrateful and unjust, and unfit to live in society with others.

We only need to cross over the orange pirouettes . . .

Mr. George begins by noting that the believer in the Myth of Independence is a hypocrite, because he remains in society,

[t]hat is to say, he is part of a collective of interrelated individuals that originally joined together for mutual aid and support. Despite this, such a person tries to maximize his own benefits and minimize his contributions to the society that continues to protect him. This is certainly ungrateful, and also unjust in the highest degree.

After remarking that there is such a thing as reasonable self-interest, Mr. George points out that there is a relationship between the Myth of Self-interest and the Myth of Independence that intensifies bad behavior in society:

[S]elf-interested independence that focuses exclusively on personal profit, that tries to avoid the obligation of supporting society while simultaneously enjoying its benefits—that degree of independence is indistinguishable from rank selfishness. . . .

Since society is a collection of interrelated individuals, society will begin to suffer when reasonable self-interest passes over into selfishness—which is precisely what happens when many people start to accept the Myth of Self-interest. The Myth of Self-interest, reinforced by the Myth of Independence, hardens the hearts and minds of Mythers, so that they actually believe they don’t owe anything to the society that provides them with the benefits they enjoy.

When people believe such things, they try to limit their obligations in every way possible. They try to minimize continually the contributions they have to make to the general welfare. They insist on the right to pursue activities that damage or destroy society’s common resources. . . .

The Myth of Self-interest reinforced by the Myth of Independence generates a severe egoism that is the root of all evil in the social sphere.

You can read the whole post here.

On Monday, Mr. George will continue his treatment of the Myth of Independence. He will examine how believing the Myth of Independence corrodes the supports of justice in society.

I’ll be reporting back each day as a new installment appears.

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  •  An interesting web site.. (2+ / 0-)
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    MadRuth, ThePlainThinker

    that will take time to work through. At first blush, Mr. George seems to be widening the assault on conservatism, attacking it independent of any specific issue.

    This is a good idea, as many, like me, that lurk here become consumed with the issue of the moment. We struggle with "conservatives" on an issue-by-issue basis.

    But this isn't the first such attempt. Mr. George might do well to refer to some who have gone before, like the ex-UCLA prof Phil Agre.

    See the link

    I suspect there are many others.

    Of all the varieties of virtues, liberalism is the most beloved - Aristotle

    by PhotogHog on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 04:59:00 AM PST

  •  thanks (0+ / 0-)

    i hadn't seen that site before.  well written and persuasive. may come in handy in the little red town in which i reside.

    We are raised to honor all the wrong explorers and discoverers - thieves planting flags, murderers carrying crosses. Let us at last praise the colonizers of dreams. - Peter S. Beagle

    by jk2003 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 06:00:21 AM PST

  •  Thank for bringing this site (0+ / 0-)

    to my attention. It's a great site. I'll be adding a link to it on and promoting it. Are you involved with that website?

    Send conservatives to for re-education.

    by filthyLiberalDOTcom on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 06:16:34 AM PST

  •  I always thought that (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ThePlainThinker, jk2003

    a strong, healthy community was paramount to my self-interest, as I cannot predict when I might be unable to meet my needs through my own efforts. Life is unpredictable: I could get sick, I could get injured, I could father a child who turns out to be born with an expensive medical condition, the bottom could drop out of my industry, and so on and so on and so on. Without the social contract we are really all at fortune's mercy.

    Visit Lacking All Conviction, your patch of grey on those too-sunny days.

    by eataTREE on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 07:26:16 AM PST

  •  "Isms" tend to make people… (0+ / 0-)

    unfit for any society that includes those outside the ism.

    I voted for the UPPITY ONE

    by qua on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 07:40:53 AM PST

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