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President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden meet with business leaders to discuss the actions needed to keep the economy growing and find a balanced approach to reduce the deficit, in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, Nov. 28, 2012. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)
President Obama and Vice President Biden meet with business leaders on the fiscal curb.
The Chamber of Commerce lost, and lost big, in this election when most of the Senate candidates they backed failed. They've apparently lost some of their luster with other business organizations because of it, and have been somewhat sidelined in the fiscal cliff artifice talks. They were left out of the higher profile meeting President Obama had two weeks ago with top corporate leaders but they did get their meeting this week. Their relevance, though, is in question.
Jack Lew, the White House chief of staff, and other senior economic advisers listened as chamber executives, including Thomas J. Donohue, the group’s president, and Bruce Josten, its top lobbyist, laid out their ideas for raising significant revenue without necessarily raising taxes by expanding energy development.

“They wrote it down, but where that goes, I don’t know,” Mr. Josten said in an interview.

But Mr. Josten said that the White House advisers stressed that any debt deal would have to include increased taxes at the highest brackets and that if an agreement could not be reached, they were willing to risk the automatic spending cuts — the so-called fiscal cliff option — at the end of the year.

“They reiterated that they want the higher rates, and they’ll go over the cliff if they need to,” Mr. Josten said.

That, by the way, is the Chamber sending a signal to Wall Street and the markets to freak out to scare Democrats away from letting the end of the year come and go without a deal. We know Republicans are willing to do very real damage to the nation's economy in order to beat Obama and to protect tax cuts for the rich, and this is the Chamber helping them.

As for whether they really still have influence, or are being overshadowed by groups like the Bowles-Simpson "Fix the Debt" band of overpaid CEOs, the Chambers Josten says:

“You really think we aren’t going to have any influence?” asked Mr. Josten, the group’s lobbyist.

“If that’s the case, why would the White House want to meet with us?” he said. “My suspicion is that they know we’re going to have some influence on this. I don’t think there’s any member of Congress out there that doubts that.”

Given that the Chamber has fought every element of the president's agenda for the past four years, why the White House would want to meet with them now is a very good question.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 09:30 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (39+ / 0-)

    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

    by Joan McCarter on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 09:30:33 AM PST

  •  For the very same reason I would want to meet.... (7+ / 0-)

    with them.

    Refuse a meeting and you give them a weapon.

    Take the meeting, listen to what they have to say repectfully, write it down, nod your head at the right moments, go "um-hum" every now and then, and then let the public know they had nothing of worth to offer but more of the same old same old.

    Nothing sends a clearer meaning of utter irrelevance than to be humoured.  "Well, we'll put up with you for an hour or two while you spout off, then we got to get back to work".  And the Chamber knows it was just "humoured".

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 09:39:44 AM PST

    •  Well, Obama going over to the CoC a few years (0+ / 0-)

      back really worked out well.  Sure didn't stop them from spending money against him.  Whether they come to him or he goes to them means nothing.  They are the enemy and will use whatever they can as a weapon.  Plus he's been re-e-lec-ted and in invincible!

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 10:55:11 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Agreed. And that's one of the things I like about (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      smokey545

      this president, is that he usually tries to hear from all sides before making a decision.

    •  The administration IS willing to talk. It must be. (3+ / 0-)
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      smokey545, OooSillyMe, satrap

      But it will bargain on its own terms, just as the GOP and its water-carriers and hand-maidens and task masters want to bargain. And have, in the past.

      But this time, the cards are different. The public heard the arguments and voted, and the President will be using the Democrats' election victories and his bully pulpit to great advantage.

      The Republicans will present a package or two, to try to undercut Obama's crisp, clear message ... but they will fail.

      2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:31:47 PM PST

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      •  And by the way, these guys do influence the GOP. (2+ / 0-)
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        satrap, samddobermann

        The lobbyists and the lever pullers go back to their respective associations and businesses and translate Washington for the executives. More important, they have ready access to Senators and Congressmen - after all, that is their stock in trade - and they know how to use it. Will they lobby for Obama, or even for sanity? No ... but they do know what they've heard "from the horses's mouth" and they know when they hear the ring of political truth.

        It makes great sense, politically, for President Obama and his team to show his resolve to "these folks" - to bottom line the issues for them and to suggest some ways open to the parties through the Republican-created morass of the Fiscal Whatever.

        Welcome to realpolitik.

        2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

        by TRPChicago on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 06:41:45 AM PST

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        •  Obama's crew were DELIVERING a message. (0+ / 0-)

          Geeze, some people read everything backwards.

          And where did anyone say they were going to be fighting this on or through Wall Street.

          “You really think we aren’t going to have any influence?” asked Mr. Josten, the group’s lobbyist.

          “If that’s the case, why would the White House want to meet with us?” he said. “My suspicion is that they know we’re going to have some influence on this. I don’t think there’s any member of Congress out there that doubts that.”

          That's the sound of someone trying to convince others and himself that he/they really really matter.

          I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

          by samddobermann on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 01:11:52 AM PST

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          •  Yup. Whether we like it or not, they do. (0+ / 0-)

            The CC's Josten needs - like all Washington lobbyists and DC representatives of others - to believe that he and his client are vital parts of the way political things are done. That is, at heart, all they do. What they are selling to their employers is that they are listened to and "have some influence on this." Otherwise, what's their value?

            Their communications are in both directions. As Washington reps, they advocate - meaning everything from advancing positions to exchanging gossip and asking for favors as well as doing them, being important - and they tell their own constituents "what Washington thinks."  

            They chatter up Senators and Congressmen and their staffs and other Washington pols 24/7/365 1/4. The stock in trade of the Jostens of the world is who they know and meet with, what they say and hear and even, sometimes, what they themselves think.

            Josten's right. He and the others who met at the White House have influence. That they were called to meet with the President gives them - for a day or two - even more influence.

            2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

            by TRPChicago on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 05:24:22 AM PST

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    •  Meeting with the Republican Camber of Comerce is (5+ / 0-)
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      Sharoney, CoExistNow, geejay, satrap, Camp

      like meeting with Romney. Courteously remind them they lost the election.
      The Chamber has lost their claim to non partisanship and will probably never get it back.

    •  chamber of Commerce meeting (2+ / 0-)
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      satrap, samddobermann

      Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

  •  We need to make our voices heard too! (2+ / 0-)
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    The New York State AFL-CIO is providing toll free phone access to congress at 888-659-9401.
    If email is your thing try this link.

  •  SunTzu told me: (1+ / 0-)
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    TomP
    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

    ----SunTzu

    Notice: This Comment © 2012 ROGNM

    by ROGNM on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 09:50:57 AM PST

  •  That last quote is hilarious! (2+ / 0-)
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    “You really think we aren’t going to have any influence?” asked Mr. Josten, the group’s lobbyist.

    “If that’s the case, why would the White House want to meet with us?” he said. “My suspicion is that they know we’re going to have some influence on this. I don’t think there’s any member of Congress out there that doubts that.”

    You guys, we're totally gonna win this debate. I mean, the White House invited us over to talk, so they're going to do everything we say, right? That's what that means, right??... Guys?

    "In an individual, selfishness uglifies the soul; for the human species, selfishness is extinction." -Cloud Atlas, by David Mitchell

    by rigcath on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 09:51:16 AM PST

  •  You mean we won't get to see Obama crawling (0+ / 0-)

    on his hands and knees over to the CoC again?  Too bad, it was such a thrilling moment.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 09:59:01 AM PST

  •  It's probably wise to listen to all the players. (2+ / 0-)
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    TomP, Gooserock

    If you don't know your enemy, you're walking into it blind. Consider this just a fact-finding mission.

    •  You Think There is a Chamber Policy the WH Doesn't (0+ / 0-)

      know? That any of us don't know?

      I can understand tactical reasons for meeting with an opponent but I think the policies they want are well known to everyone.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 10:18:34 AM PST

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    •  Plus the chairs likely installed (1+ / 0-)
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      roberb7

      microchips on them for when it becomes time to round them up and put them in concentration camps.

      Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

      by textus on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 02:43:49 AM PST

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  •  Why does COC hate Obama so much? (1+ / 0-)
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    I thought the stock market has tripled or something, and business leaders are richer than ever.  

    It's not easy being a Floridian: PS I'm a lawYER now; no longer a lawSTUDENT.

    by lawstudent922 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 10:08:49 AM PST

    •  It's Not About Businesses and Business Leaders. (1+ / 0-)
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      lawstudent922

      It's about ending business regulation and ending promotion of the general welfare.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 10:19:27 AM PST

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    •  Why does COC hate Obama so much? (1+ / 0-)
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      lawstudent922

      President Obama is well liked, successful, and a scary black guy.  Any of these would be enough to drive their hatred, but in combination they allow POTUS to be a threat to their very way of life.  

      Democrats, in general, are empathetic enough to be very good at government.  Republicans, in general, are very poor at governing because governing is not uppermost in their mind when they are in power...getting rich while they can is their main aim in life.

      I am a 67 year old teacher...teaching computer applications in a Texas high school. I've already retired once but it didn't take.

      by 43yearsateacher on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 10:37:46 AM PST

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    •  Because they don't represent businesses (5+ / 0-)

      They represent a small group of very fat cats.  

      I wish Obama had asked them, "now just remind me: who elected you?"

      I'm still mad about Nixon.

      by J Orygun on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:43:10 PM PST

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    •  It isn't just Obama. (1+ / 0-)
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      This group made a show a couple of cycles ago of "for the first time ever" endoring a presidential candidate because the Dem was so scary scary. I am not remembering whether this was Gore or Kerry that this was, but thinking the latter.

      It specifically pushed the ridiculous assertion that Kerry had been designated the most liberal member of the U.S. Senate and that the No. 2 most liberal member of the Senate at the time ws John Edwards. I am sure Barbara Iichulski, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, Bernie Saunders and Tom Harkin were peeved about this index, which was based on something like 13 votes final-bill votes over a two year period.

      More than anythiing, this group reflects the interests of offshore commerce. You join the US CoC if you aren't sufficiently a part of a specific location within the US. That's my gun, no more. But it dovetails with all else.

      The represent rank and file business abuot as accurately as that bully in San Francisco represents rank and file Catholics.

      Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

      by textus on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 02:51:57 AM PST

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  •  Is this a national version of the... (0+ / 0-)

    Chamber of Commerce? The Greater Miami Chamber of Commerce is not a crazy right-wing group by any means.  I'm involved with the young-professionals group and 80% of the members are democrats, plus, white men are the minority of the under-40 members.

    It's not easy being a Floridian: PS I'm a lawYER now; no longer a lawSTUDENT.

    by lawstudent922 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 10:11:48 AM PST

    •  i've asked this about the c-of-c before (1+ / 0-)
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      lawstudent922

      my knowledge of the local version was the office that kids wrote to to find out information about a city. they usually sent a packet back to the kid. i guess this national version isn't the same.

    •  Same with the San Francisco Chamber of Commerce... (3+ / 0-)
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      Icicle68, Van Buren, Rube Goldberg

      Used to work for them.  The head of their Public Policy years back was the highest ranking out Lesbian in the Clinton Administration.

      We visited Washington during the Bush II years and I heard the pieces of shit at the US CoC say that Bush's deficits were okay because they were, I don't know the bullshit excuse they used.  But it boiled down to Republicans deficits are fine; Dem deficits are bad.

      We sat in stunned silence.

      •  The local chambers of commerce are (0+ / 0-)

        the offspring of the US Chamber of Commerce and are free to craft any political course they wish.  But the local Chambers get a lot of pressure from the US C of C to support them politically and financially.  And most do, because that means a larger stage.  And plus, they have all the money.

        A good local Chamber is one that really tries to represent the interests of Main Street.  If you're reading this, you know that the interests of Main Street and Wall Street are vastly dissimilar.  It's a distinction that the national Chamber denies, because, hey, they represent small business!

        When the US Chamber started its loud campaign against ACA and all things Obama during his first term, a local city government in these parts considered ending its dues-paying relationship with the very partisan local chamber.  Yep, it's incomprehensible that any government anywhere would pay dues to any business organization, but many local governments do.  Sadly, the conservative members of the local city council won the day, and kept those socialist subsidies going.

    •  They're a national lobbying group (5+ / 0-)

      Different from your local Chamber, yes. These guys don't worry about the small local businesses, they lobby for big, huge, giganto-business.

      Everybody got to elevate from the norm....

      by Icicle68 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:22:22 PM PST

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    •  Very different in origin and flavor (1+ / 0-)
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      CoExistNow

      My local Chamber of Commerce has been actively making sure everyone knows they have nothing in common with the US CoC.

    •  No, the local groups are independent but the (0+ / 0-)

      national chamber tries to claim that all members of locals are "members" of it or at least that they represent them.

      Mainly they are the multi nationals.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 01:54:58 AM PST

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  •  Mr. Josten needs to ask Grover about how much (0+ / 0-)

    influence both of them still have.  Their billions couldn't buy this election, and it likely won't buy the next one either, because the American people have caught on to Citizen's United.  Both Grover Norquist and the Chamber are diminished as, to coin a bushism, influencers.

    Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

    by Ohiodem1 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 10:11:51 AM PST

  •  Why Would White House Meet With Chamber? (3+ / 0-)
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    mike101, chuckvw, PorridgeGun

    To reaffirm that in spite of differences over the election, both the White House and the Chamber are still part of the same Village.  And that's why the meeting took place.

    dKos is not part of that Village, which is part of the reason Markos is banned from MSNBC.

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:07:00 PM PST

  •  It was a wise meeting to have. (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Is anyone really surprised? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Don't we recognize 'consensus-building' when we (1+ / 0-)
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    chuckvw

    see it?
    Sheesh.

  •  It shows the people that the President is trying (3+ / 0-)
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    Palafox, virginislandsguy, CoExistNow

    and it's Republicans blocking everything.

    They know the public will blame them, and yet they're doing the same things and saying the same things as if the public could be swayed on this issue.

    And besides, it's just common courtesy.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:17:45 PM PST

    •  The CoC doesn't care who gets the blame (2+ / 0-)
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      CoExistNow, PorridgeGun

      They're not running for anything. They care who gets our $$$. They don't care how they get them. They're playing a short game to destroy the New Deal.

      Same goes for Peterson, Simpson, Bowles, Dimon and the rest of the gang.

      Courtesy toward a rattler will get you snakebit. Obama really should know that by now.



      Those who do not move, do not notice their chains. Rosa Luxemburg

      by chuckvw on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 10:24:15 PM PST

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  •  I would like to see the COC marginalized by Obama (5+ / 0-)

    They really act like a wing of the Republican Party.

  •  Chamber of Commerce (2+ / 0-)
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    CoExistNow, Minnesota Deb

    It's interesting to note that local Chamber chapters aren't necessarily affiliated with the national organization.  Here in my town in upstate NY, our Chamber director is a youngish and fairly progressive guy who hates the national organization and wants nothing to do with them.  I've been suggesting to him that we need to re-name our local C of C, because most people just assume it is connected to the rotten national group.

    How can we have a third party when we don't even have a second party?

    by Eagleye on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:22:11 PM PST

  •  Due diligence. He can check them off. n/t (4+ / 0-)

    "Life is short, but long enough to get what's coming to you." --John Alton

    by Palafox on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:39:40 PM PST

  •  Fiscal Molehill? (2+ / 0-)
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    88kathy, Minnesota Deb
    President Obama and Vice President Biden meet with business leaders on the fiscal curb.
    I like the term "fiscal curb".  Maybe "fiscal molehill" would be an even better metaphor?


    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.—Carl Schurz
    Give 'em hell, Barry—Me

    by KingBolete on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:41:05 PM PST

  •  why must chambers be so partisan? (0+ / 0-)

    I belonged to the area chamber ten years ago as a business owner but it seemed to move to far to  the right in politics ..  during the Warren vs Brown race they invited Brown to speak at a public meeting not long before the election and refused to even have their board of directors meet with warren.  The remaining dems in their membership were unhappy because the chamber had spent years separating themselves from the image created by the national chamber.    New business groups are forming here, we need to promote tourism not tea party politics........

    Women are 51% of the population yet are represented in congress by barely 17%! Until our representation reflects the population, we risk sliding backwards .....

    by 51percent on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 09:10:42 PM PST

  •  Is Cliff Real or a Hoax? (2+ / 0-)
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    mike101, chuckvw

    Paul Craig Roberts, Deputy Sec. of Treasury under Ronald the Reagan says:

    The answer is that the fiscal cliff is real, but it is a result, not a cause. The hoax is the way the fiscal cliff is being used.
    Please read more at Our Collapsing Economy.

    "Truth and love will overcome lies and hatred.” Vaclav Havel

    by dharmasyd on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 09:18:52 PM PST

    •  Good, if brutal, read. (3+ / 0-)
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      dharmasyd, Van Buren, CoExistNow
      Washington’s response to the fiscal cliff is austerity: spending cuts and tax increases. The Republicans say they will vote for the Democrats’ tax increases if the Democrats vote for the Republican’s assault on the social safety net. What bipartisan compromise means is a double-barreled dose of austerity.
      Almost every paragraph has something worth understanding.

      -- We are just regular people informed on issues

      by mike101 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 09:32:25 PM PST

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      •  Yes, mike 101... (1+ / 0-)
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        Minnesota Deb

        ...that's the game. Scare the populance about the cliff, till the liberals give us, out of fear what we want, and call their congress critters and ask them to cut back social "entitlements" enough to avoid the horrors of going over that all so terrifying cliff!

        Be afraid.  Be very afraid!  We sill scare you till you give us what we want!

        "Truth and love will overcome lies and hatred.” Vaclav Havel

        by dharmasyd on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 10:26:09 PM PST

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  •  Sigh. Time to drag the ol' spine outta the (0+ / 0-)

    Closet and dust it off...  Hey, where's Schumer? Schumer, get your ass over here- you can be the coxyx.  Harry, you be the 5th lumbar.  Ah, right this way, Ms. Warren.  Every spine needs a brain!

  •  Everybody hates the Chamber now.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....but in a few months, when the Chamber tells the congressmen it owns to vote in favor of immigration reform; there will be all these diaries about how wonderful it is.

  •  I Think They Should Meet With Me (0+ / 0-)

    I think the White House should meet with me. After all, I have the good of the country at heart.

    But the US Chamber of Commerce?

  •  chamber still controls the bully pulpit (0+ / 0-)

    people who live on the coasts have this quaint notion that the pres has the bully pulpit.

    they'd be tragically wrong- in many states with many reps and way too many senators the left allows a few insane radio blowhards scream over everything they want to do, to 50 MIL A WEEK!

    the pres does not have the bully pulpit- if something takes shape in favor of the pres or liberals the think tanks notice and devise a distraction. been going  for 20 years.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:07:08 PM PST

  •  Please don't propagandise (2+ / 0-)
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    PorridgeGun, Neo Ikmarly

    The US Chamber of Commerce is not "the" Chamber of Commerce or even a chamber of commerce.  It is a lobbying organisation, nothing more, and it should always be referred to as "US Chamber of Commerce".

    The real chambers of commerce are the American Chamber of Commerce chapters that exist in practically all foreign markets and go about the business of promoting American commerce in those markets.  Don't do the "US Chamber of Commerce" the undeserved honour of putting their selfish and destructive lobbying in the same category as the great but unsung job the AmChams are doing.

    γνωθι σεαυτόν

    by halef on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:13:02 PM PST

  •  It's called, "checking off that box" (2+ / 0-)
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    Minnesota Deb, my pet rock

    The White House is simply doing it's "due diligence" in the matter. They have a game plan and they are not changing it as each meeting passes. Not meeting at all with this group would be seen as not working with business at all. By meeting with them and stating your intentions as you have to Congress and other groups is just "checking off that box" on your to do list.

    "Next..."

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 02:00:12 AM PST

  •  So, when will the Prez (0+ / 0-)

    meet with Think Progress?

    I STILL want to see Mitt's taxes.

    by Van Buren on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 04:48:44 AM PST

    •  They did, on Monday iirc. Pay attention Van (0+ / 0-)

      to real life and not just the hysterical diaries on DKos.

      the president was DELIVERING a message. He intends they take it to their vassals.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 02:11:30 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  You answer your own question (1+ / 0-)
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    by pointing out that Obama etc. told them they're prepared to go off the cliff which, contrary to the implication here that it only benefits the "worriers on wall street" it enforces the commitment of the administration, brushing back any hopers that they'll go wobbly-kneed, by telling it all intimate-like to the paragons of Republicanism. Geez, don't get all FireDogLake on us.

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