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GOP blamed more than Obama

Another piece of evidence that elections have consequences was published this morning by the Washington Post:

A majority of Americans say that if the country goes over the fiscal cliff on Dec. 31, congressional Republicans should bear the brunt of the blame, according to a new Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll, the latest sign that the GOP faces a perilous path on the issue between now and the end of the year.

While 53 percent of those surveyed say the GOP would (and should) lose the fiscal cliff blame game, just 27 percent say President Obama would be deserving of more of the blame. Roughly one in 10 (12 percent) volunteer that both sides would be equally to blame.

Back on November 13 (see Joan McCarter's write-up of the previous poll by this group), the numbers were 53-29 so the GOP argument has made no progress since then.

On November 26, CNN found the GOP would be at fault 45-34, and, importantly, 56% wanted taxes to remain high on high earners with only 36% buying the argument that taxes should be kept low on the wealthy because they are job creators.

Don't forget the recent ABC-Washington Post poll that found this:

Gary Langer for ABC News-Washington Post

All the polls point in the same direction: Republican ideas are being rejected.

Oh, by the way, there was also a recent election, and the Republicans lost there, as well. In fact, that was the election where Romney got 47% of the vote. (Hey, remember Romney's comments on 47%?).

Mitch McConnell was said to “burst into laughter” on receiving the president's fiscal proposal. You think he's still laughing?

Keep all of this in mind as you watch the battle over the deficit and taxes play out. The GOP is going to fold. The only question is, on what terms?

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  •  Shhh! Don't tell Jennifer Rubin or any of the (11+ / 0-)

    other Washpost righties!

  •  They worship the appearance of strength (3+ / 0-)
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    rbird, wtpvideo, dopper0189

    If Obama can let them fold while appearing like they "got something" they'll feel better about things.

    Now, do the best interests of the United State require that they feel better, or worse? I can see the idea that pushing them into tears of impotent rage might be ideal; let the crazy be displayed for all to see.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:07:22 AM PST

    •  I'm with you on that. (1+ / 0-)
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      "You can see them drowning
      as you walk along the beach,
      but don't throw out the lifeline
      'til they're clean out of reach"
      It's about time that their bullsh!t was shown for what it is and despite the best efforts of FUX and WaPo, et cetera, their own polls show that their readers are not fooled.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:12:06 AM PST

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    •  On the other hand a defeat might empower (2+ / 0-)
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      blue aardvark, Noodles

      the neutered moderate Republicans if archconservatives lead the fight and are defeated. We really do need some sane Republicans even if it's only 10-15% of their caucus. Our system isn't design for a parliamentary style government, if we don't have partners in the other party we're going to have to figure how to develop single party control of the POTUS and Congress all the time.

      -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

      by dopper0189 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 07:57:42 AM PST

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  •  Hay Boehner,... (2+ / 0-)
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    rbird, OldDragon

    ...Wile E. Coyote can feel your pain, having gone over many a cliff himself.

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:09:35 AM PST

  •  It's clear that Republicans refuse to execute the (10+ / 0-)

    will of the people. Then it's time for the people to begin to "execute" Republicans at the polls. Make them unemployed at the first opportunity that comes up. Democrats, don't congratulate yourselves. If you fail to fight or kick back and relax YOU'LL LOSE again to another Republican in a new wrapper. Fight back now and keep fighting. This is no time to relax.

    Send conservatives to for re-education.

    by filthyLiberalDOTcom on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:09:40 AM PST

  •  We Need To Keep It Up (5+ / 0-)

    What happens here will set the agenda for the next 2 years and possibly help turn the house in 2014.  The public should and needs to be drawn into every vote.  We need to take ads to press the issues and sway opinion.  And the media needs to be dragged along.

    The campaign isn't over - it's just started...

    •  It's Working (2+ / 0-)
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      pamelabrown, Fury

      There will also be lots of collateral damage from this fight.  Politico has a great story: Conservative groups rebel against Boehner.  The more the Republicans are driven to make a deal the more the base is rebelling

      Several prominent conservative organizations lashed out against a pair of decisions by Speaker John Boehner’s leadership team as House Republicans saw their tightly held grip on the right loosen a bit on Monday.

      Heritage Action, long a thorn in the side of the House Republican leadership, told its members in an email that Boehner was asking his “members to go back on their promise not to raise taxes on the American people” by putting $800 billion in new revenue into the mix of the negotiations to avert the fiscal cliff.

      And it gets worse for the beloved Speaker as he has the likes of Erick Erickson, FreedomWorks and the Club for Growth all over him for booting a trio of uber-conservatives  from their committees for crossing leadership too often.

      "A House divided against itself cannot stand" Music to my ears...

  •  A lot of the reason they are losing, oddly enough, (6+ / 0-)

    is the stone-cold fact there is NO SUCH THING AS THE FISCAL CLIFF.

    It is nothing more than the GOP still trying to cram tax cuts for the rich and service cuts for the poor down our throats.

    I am fucking sick and tired of hearing this gold-plated falsehood continuing to be discussed as if it was real.

    Reminds me of marijuana prohibition: all scare-mongering all the time, zero facts. All by republicans and suck-up democrats who enable their bullshit.

    Those who know know that those who regurgitate the talking points are totally full of shit and are utterly irredeemable for their support of this horseshit.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:12:46 AM PST

    •  There is no cliff. There is no cliff. There is no (1+ / 0-)
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      There is no cliff.

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      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:16:16 AM PST

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  •  Dear GOP.....your reputation preceeds you. (5+ / 0-)
  •  The GOP is dumb. They're just stupid. (12+ / 0-)

    If it were me, i'd just go ahead and pass the Senate Bill, go out and say how wonderful it is that I cut taxes for everybody, and let the taxes on the wealthy just go ahead and expire. I blame Obama for that.

    Then I come back next year and demand spending cuts with the debt ceiling when Obama will no longer be able to say "tax cuts for the wealthy."

    This is also why Obama is pressuring them for a grand bargain NOW rather than next year. He'd rather avoid going over the cliff (which would give him maximum advantage) but mainly he doesn't want to do grand bargain negotiations around a debt ceiling ever again. And he's right to do that.

    This is what leads me to believe that Republicans are making a big miscalculation: they assume they will have greater leverage by going over the cliff and then forcing the issue around the debt ceiling.

    The reality is, they would put President Obama in the position of raising the debt ceiling unilaterally and kicking the issue to the courts. Which would TOTALLY undo any leverage they had because once they got to court they would lose.

    If they were smart, they'd just give the president the Senate Bill now and save the grand bargain for next year.

    •  Obama would still be able to hold the defense (1+ / 0-)
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      cuts called for in the sequester hostage as his price for a debt ceiling cave by the GOP.  They will face incredible pressure from defense industry and contractors  to neuter the sequester and PBO can veto any move they make unless he gets what he wants.

      Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. Harry Truman

      by ratcityreprobate on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 07:06:52 AM PST

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    •  If Repubs Were Smart They'd Lose Half Of Their (0+ / 0-)


      I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

      by OnlyWords on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 07:33:43 AM PST

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  •  Unfortunately (7+ / 0-)

    Elections do have consequences and worse than our current situation were the losses of 2010 which resulted in the timely ability to gerrymander.  So while as a whole America agrees with Obama and the Dems on this, on a micro level, there is no incentive for House republicans to do anything about it or change their behavior given that their districts remain staunchly partisan red.

  •  67% think Medicare eligibility should be raised? (0+ / 0-)

    well they're certainly winning the battle there

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:19:28 AM PST

  •  Does that poll and the November election indicate (0+ / 0-)

    that most people don't think the GOP are serious about reducing the deficit?...Smells like it to me.

  •  Someone needs to say loud and clear (1+ / 0-)
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    that "limiting deductions" means that all the "new revenue" comes from the middle and upper middle class.
    the super wealthy adn those with million plus incomes will hardly feel any pain at all.  It is those  whom deductions make a significant proportion of their AGI that it will hurt.  Oh, and of course the major hit will be people in high tax states who will get hit worst.  By coincidence, those states  ( Ca, MA, NY) are BLUE.

    As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

    by BPARTR on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:27:09 AM PST

    •  Oh look- in the Pundit review (1+ / 0-)
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      it shows that the NYT has actually said this!

      Doing so without limiting the charitable deduction would inevitably raise taxes on the middle class, as nonpartisan analysts have concluded, and would have a much greater effect on the upper middle class than on the very rich.

      As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

      by BPARTR on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:30:05 AM PST

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  •  Math note (0+ / 0-)

    12% is much closer to 1 in 8 than to 1 in 10.

    Just saying.

    What is valued is practiced. What is not valued is not practiced. -- Plato

    by RobLewis on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:40:15 AM PST

  •  Let the unskewing begin... (0+ / 0-)

    Clearly, those polling results are incorrect because the sample was obviously far too Democratic.

    Mitch McConnell is laughing because he knows that the true results would show that 80% of the population supports the Republican plan (raising Medicare age), and 75% want to protect the wealthy "job creators" from tax increases.  It must be true, because Rush Limbaugh and Grover Norquist have assured him of the truth.

    Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

    by TexasTom on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:44:24 AM PST

  •  Piffle (1+ / 0-)
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    The Voice from the Cave

    After they unskew all those polls, they've got a huge majority!

    GOP never let polls affect their decision-making. That's too sciency.

    I am progressive. I am liberal. I make no apologies. - Kos

    My political compass: - 8.38,-6.97

    by pucklady on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:53:21 AM PST

  •  From that poll: 20% of Americans are ignorant. (0+ / 0-)

    27% of Americans are rabid Right-wingers.....that's redundant, isn't it?

  •  Chicagoans - back me up here (0+ / 0-)

    I think I figured this whole Republican obstruction thing out.  Barack Obama is Harold Washington and John Boehner is Eddie Vrdolyak.

    If you're old enough to remember the Council Wars when Chicago's first black mayor was elected, you can probably see the parallels here.

    We get what we want - or what we fail to refuse. - Muhammad Yunus

    by nightsweat on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:57:35 AM PST

  •  I say we mollify the Rethugs (0+ / 0-)

    by accepting their offer of $800 billion in closing loopholes and deductions - but only for people earning over $500K.  As for the rest of their offer they can shove it where the Sun don't shine.

  •  The magic 27% rear their ugly head again (1+ / 0-)
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    There they are: those folks who support Republicans no matter what the policy, no matter how crazy, no matter if it hurts their pocketbook.  

    For those folks, of course President Obama is to blame.

    I'm pretty happy with 121st place. Not bad for 13 points.

    by Prof Dave on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 07:06:08 AM PST

  •  Interesting Demographic Breakdown On This Question (2+ / 0-)
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    ratcityreprobate, liberte

    Toplines are nice but it's the devilish details that are most revealing:

    If an agreement is not reached, who do you think would be more to blame: (the Republicans in Congress) or (President Obama)?

    Whites:        Republicans (45%); Obama (32%); Both (15%)
    Non-Whites: Republicans (69%); Obama (15%); Both (8%)
    Blacks:         Republicans (74%); Obama (14%); Both (9%)

    Considering how the majority of Kossacks would vote on this question, this site must be majority Black...

    Nevertheless, since the GOP only cares what White people think (having not a snowball's chance in Hell of getting anyone else to vote for them - see 2012 Exit Polls), Repubs better take note that even more White people will blame them then will blame Obama if a Fiscal Curb/Austerity Bomb agreement is not reached.

    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

    by OnlyWords on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 07:07:49 AM PST

  •  The Republicans are just killing time (0+ / 0-)

    They will allow the Senate bill to come to a vote at the last possible minute, probably as a result of a Discharge Petition. They will all vote Present, and then head home to spin/let their base get over it, and come back next year primed to hold the debt ceiling hostage. Over the Holidays Fox News will put out their talking points with no one in town to correct them.

  •  "Only 36%"?? (0+ / 0-)

    Only 36% who are completely brainwashed and want to assist the top 1% in killing off the middle class.

    Conservatism = greed, hate, fear and ignorance

    by Joe B on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 07:28:46 AM PST

  •  For GOP, having the upper 2% is all that matters (0+ / 0-)

    Why would the GOP care about what the people sitting in "coach" think of them: 1) they don't vote for them, 2) they don't fund them.

  •  Elections Have Consequences (0+ / 0-)

    "Another piece of evidence that elections have consequences was published this morning by the Washington Post:"

    Of course elections have consequences.  American history throughout the life of this country has shown that.  What I can't understand is why the Republicans don't get it.  I am actually beginning to think that they are living in a parallel universe.  The Democrats won the election, and Obama has discovered that he has a backbone.  The Republicans would do well to bear these facts in mind and throw their stupid partisanship -- and racism -- aside and start working for the good of the country as a whole, rather than only for the wealthy.  But will they do so?  I am not optimistic.

  •  the numbers will be the same... (0+ / 0-)

    for any debt ceiling battle...Americans are watching.

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 08:05:14 AM PST

  •  This must be terribly discouraging (2+ / 0-)
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    Fury, OleHippieChick

    After all the time, trouble and expense they've gone to, the American people STILL don't seem to "get it" and continue to blame the Republicans, specifically the Republicans in the House, for this fiscal mess. It's got to be getting to the point of "Why even try anymore? The public is just unreachable!"

    The Beltway punditocracy haz a sad.

  •  Instinct-driven people do not "fold." (0+ / 0-)

    Instinct-driven people follow directions. Their objections are largely pro forma and to test whether the director is sure of himself.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 09:02:20 AM PST

  •  GOP Has A Problem With More Than 47% (0+ / 0-)

    Think voters are getting more locked in. We might have to deal with 47% who will vote for the GOP even with a Palin or a Romney on the ticket. Basically no matter what. Think the GOP has a problem with more than 47% and not because they are moochers. They have a problem with a majority 51% to 53% who will not vote Republican because they think they are assholes.

  •  Not by enough (0+ / 0-)

    They are losing the argument, but they aren't losing it by enough.

    I wrote a LTE to USA Today and made a comment on the CBS blog.

    What have you done to keep the discussion going from our POV?

  •  "Nonpartisan" a-hole David Gergen and his ilk (0+ / 0-)

    who blather about Obama "overreaching" should take note.

  •  “burst into laughter”? (0+ / 0-)

    Seriously? Mitch McConnell's face can actually form in such a way that he can laugh? After all these years of seeing him on the telly and in the print media I didn't think that was possible, or even desirable on his part.

  •  Bogus "Job Creators" (0+ / 0-)

    There needs to be a distinction drawn between GOOD "job creators" and BOGUS job creators.

    GOOD "job creators" are those who care about the living standards of their employees, about their safety, their health care, their families, equal pay, non-discrimination, etc. Their dignity and their future.

    BOGUS "job creators" care above all and only about their profits, how can they squeeze every last dime out of every hour of a worker's day, how they can cut corners on every piece of helpful equipment or safety measure that seems too onerous, and how soon can they reduce their workforce when there's the slightest dip in sales.
    Low wages and poor benefits go almost without saying, but these people, these "job creators" are in reality more predators than creators, and to elevate them otherwise is itself a bogus activity.

    Taking our language back is a long and tedious process.

    "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards." ~Soren Kierkegaard

    by Beastly Fool on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 10:55:39 AM PST

  •  I'd love to see a poll.... (0+ / 0-)

    that shows what arguments the Republicans AREN'T losing.

  •  Interesting, but... (0+ / 0-)

    How screwy was it to construct a question that didn't let respondents blame Democrats in Congress?

    No matter who conducted the poll, how credible can such a question be?

    Ideology is when you have the answers before you know the questions.
    It is what grows into empty spaces where intelligence has died.

    by Alden on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 11:51:06 AM PST

  •  Mitch McConnell's laughter was hysteria (0+ / 0-)

    as it is starting to sink in that the entire purpose of his life for the last four years — "to make sure Obama is a one-term president" — has come to naught. He's breaking down before our eyes.


    Jon Husted is a dick.

    by anastasia p on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 03:57:35 PM PST

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