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Oh, sweet Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ on a pogo stick.

From the pedophile protection racket that brought you the failtastic Fortnight for Freedom—two weeks during the summer of "special events that support a great national campaign of teaching and witness for religious liberty" intended to make Americans rise up to fight back against gays and vaginas—comes Fortnight for Freedom II: The Phantom Menace Strikes Back:

The U.S. Catholic bishops have launched a pastoral strategy addressing critical life, marriage and religious liberty concerns. The five-part strategy or call to prayer was approved by the bishops in November and is set to begin after Christmas. The overall focus is to invite Catholics to pray for rebuilding a culture favorable to life and marriage and for increased protections of religious liberty.
The sequel to the bishops' first failed tour o' whining is necessary because those damned gays are still gaying and those also damned Vagina-Americans are still getting health care for said vaginas. The nerve!
The call to prayer is prompted by the rapid social movements and policy changes currently underway, such as the mandate by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services that coerces employers, including heads of religious agencies, to pay for sterilizations, abortion-inducing drugs and contraceptives, as well as increased efforts to redefine marriage.
Not surprisingly, the five-step plan basically just involves lots and lots of praying. Praying in church, praying at home, praying with rosaries. If American Catholics pray hard enough, they can pray the gay away. And the vaginas!

Sure, the hardcore praying didn't work over the summer. First, the Supreme Court let them down by upholding Obamacare. Then, despite the threats and warnings that ought to have lost the Catholic Church its tax-exempt status, Catholics voted to reelect President Barack Obama. And, oh yeah, they still love birth control since almost all of them use it. And then there's that whole thing where Americans roundly rejected religious freedom by voting to legalize equal marriage in Washington, Maine and Maryland. Because they all hate Jesus and Thomas Jefferson or something.

But hey, maybe if the bishops just pray harder this time, their plan to turn America into a 14th century theocracy will work. Or not.

Originally posted to Kaili Joy Gray on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 11:44 AM PST.

Also republished by Street Prophets and Daily Kos.

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  •  Irish as hell, I was baptized in the Catholic (11+ / 0-)

    Church, as was my parents and their parents and so on... That didn't stop me from bolting this corrupt institution just as soon as I realized that they were, well, a corrupt institution. The Episcopal Church (Catholic-plus) was an easy transition to make. I'd encourage my fellow progressive Catholics to consider doing the same.

  •  I don't think the Bishops would do as well if (12+ / 0-)

    it were known that 'their' hospital organizations have complete or substantial control over a very substantial number of the nation's hospitals, especially in the current merger market for hospitals, and are using that to enforce their anti Woman policies not only on their own believers but on every woman in those service areas who requires maternity care, and every senion making end of life decisions. I really don't think if their position were examined in that light that it would be found that because they control the hospitals and are a church, they are free of antitrust and other rules which non affiliated commercial institutions are subject to. And certainly should not be given a pass on a nationwide medical regime intended to apply neutrally to all who are here. We don't need one regime for the large number of Catholic hospitals, and another entirely for the rest.

    •  There's hardly anything that pisses me off more. (4+ / 0-)

      Catholic institutions do in fact impose their dogmatic dictates on patients as you mentioned above. There is also the issue of male contraception (vasectomy) - there are a number of reasons why sometimes this might be more safely done in a hospital as opposed to an office, but not in a Catholic hospital! Seeking a vasectomy even as a non-Catholic employee of a Catholic hospital gets you a referral to a competing hospital rather than getting it covered in-house. Same with getting tubes tied - the only way that happens is in the setting of having a Csection at the same time. Plan B in the ER? You're kidding, right? And the Church has enough financial depth to compete head to head with many small community hospitals, or, in many cases, to just buy them and become the sole provider in the area. It should simply be against the law to become a monopoly provider entity and refuse to provide full spectrum reproductive services.

      Your black cards can make you money, so you hide them when you're able; in the land of milk and honey, you must put them on the table - Steely Dan

      by OrdinaryIowan on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 03:20:51 PM PST

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  •  If they were serious, they'd include Fasting. (1+ / 0-)
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    But if they are really going to go Full Medieval, bring back self-flagellation to the priesthood--that might help them show enough faith--that this time it will be different and then God might finally relent and ordain from Heaven what his Apostolic Bishops are trying to bind on earth.  Okay, so perhaps they'll need to rally and inspire the faithful with other related public actions, perhaps staging special events, ones with real TV-appeal, like hundreds of robed and hooded guys catapulting vials of holy water and oil against the White House, Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, Smithsonian Institute, Federal Court building, and try to get state legistlatures to ban glitter glamorizing sex everywhere, and laying the foundations for a real seige of faith.  

    Suggestion:  Pull out the stops ye Olde Bishops and promise to carry out Holy Exorcisms at the Supreme Court, Congress and White House while that Fortnight is on. That'll get large crowds to show up.  Doing stunts like this can really help the clerical classes of men to avoid having to listen to the nuns and women or, worse, having to do something really loving thing like putting the needs of women for such basics as safety, dealing with the poverty of many women heads of households, access to clean water and decent food, shelter, health care, day care and sane reproduction options, putting such things ahead of their own needs to gain heavy influnce, and power and control, and expand their  cathedrals into castles of domination.

    When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

    by antirove on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 12:20:22 PM PST

  •  Do they want to become the Roman Catholic TeaParty (9+ / 0-)

    How much can they alienate their own members?  I've said it before but I thought it was significant during the marriage amendment campaign in Minnesota that some Catholics were not only voting no in secret, they weren't just putting lawn signs in their yards, they were specifically identifying themselves as Catholics voting No on the sign they put in their yard for everyone to see.   Unless you are already right-wing, Catholics are getting sick of this.  

    All those blue states you see on the map are the same states where you find Catholics.  And some folks here who love to trash Catholics need to remember that.

    •  71% of US Catholics support marriage equality. (1+ / 0-)
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      The bishops are very far out of touch with the laity.

    •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

      As an Episcopalian, and following that tradition's ongoing  respect for Gods Name, I do just wish that diary writers here would show some respect for those of us who are Christians, even though liberal, by not slagging on the name of our Lord.

      I know that KJG is angry over the Catholic bishops ongoing crusade (which they are under orders from Rome to do), but Jesus didn't force these guys to carry on as they do.

      I haven't had much luck sending private messages here at DK, even tough I've been a member for 7-8 years, or I would have said this in private. Of course, like a member who's name includes the words "Sacred Cows" you may think that I'm "dangerous" and incapable of reason.

      Don't those of us on the same page politically owe each other trying to stay in the same book? This is a wedge issue, to me.

      "We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other." ~ RFK

      by paz3 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 04:57:44 PM PST

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  •  There is no credible leadership in ... (8+ / 0-)

    ...the catholic church. If there were any such credible leadership, that person would say and ask, "can we please stop what we are doing, and take a hard look at what we have become?".

  •  The day I hear (6+ / 0-)

    about two weeks of prayer to end violence against women and children is the day I will listen to a bishop or the Pope.  As it is, I attend mass but I do not donate money to the cause.  I give time to my parish and that is it.  This is for my own edification and life search. The men of the Catholic Church are to be ignored as they continue to prove again and again.

    Everyone! Arms akimbo!

    by tobendaro on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 01:29:58 PM PST

    •  That's what my family does, too. (2+ / 0-)
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      As long as the policy of pushing the Bishops'  politics at the expense of actual teaching of the faith continues and they use collection money to do it, they get no money from me.

      We still work within our faith ministries, but nothing more.

      Progressive LIBERAL-right, yet "disloyal" since January 20, 2001

      by howie14 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 04:12:38 PM PST

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  •  Sorry Bishop Donelan (13+ / 0-)

    the "Catholic agencies" that you referenced are more commonly know as "hospitals".  Hospitals receive federal aid, reimbursements from federal programs, i.e. medicare, medicaid.

    Your agencies take the federal aid.  They are oblligated to follow the rules for taking the public mone.  Don't like the rules? Don't take the money.  Simple as that.  Your choice.  Good luck if you choose to forego reimbursement.

    As it stands, you can preach to the church all day long but you are not permitted to lecture the government.  Your authority stops at the Cathedral doors.

  •  Republished to Street Prophets. nt (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Back in the days after Obama's victory in (1+ / 0-)
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    2008, he rapidly announced the head, staff and other appointees for the Chirch State partnership boondoggle. Sure enough, these dominionist theocrat wannabe bozos were represented.  Your tax dollars at work.

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 02:17:55 PM PST

  •  The church is in reverse (5+ / 0-)

    with their foot to the floor... If Ratzinger gets his chosen sucessor in as Pope then a funeral mass should be said for Vatican II. There are people in the church wo do very good works...very few of them wear mitres or red hats.

    •  my dear 92 year-old mom calls them (1+ / 0-)
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      the red hatted guys with the pointy red shoes.  I never looked at their feet, actually, but I do share her disdain for the hierarchy of the church she loves (well, she loves her parish priest and the good works done there)

      beam me up Scotty- there's no intelligent life down here

      by ladybug4you on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:44:49 PM PST

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      •  My best friend's parish priest (1+ / 0-)
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        actually TOLD them that you should never vote on one or two issues but consider the totality of a candidate's stands including — wait for it — his or her concern for social justice and helping those in need. I'll bet the bishop would not have approved.

        Jon Husted is a dick.

        by anastasia p on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 12:03:23 AM PST

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  •  Don't be a sheep (3+ / 0-)

    We are active catholics as well. After a horrifically political sermon three weeks before the election, a group of us wrote the pastor in no uncertain terms. (People walked out--not the Pastor)

    The politics stopped. The short sermon week before the election was on tolerance, love and charity. The political signs left the parish lawn.

    Yes, you can! Money talks,btw. DO NOT donate to any Bishop's fund.

  •  Meanwhile, Episcopal Bishops are implementing (2+ / 0-)
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    skrekk, Joy of Fishes

    new Rites for same-sex weddings in places like Maine where there is marriage equality. My partner and I just had our first meeting, in fact, with the Cathedral Dean in preparation for our church wedding in June.

    Goes to show you that there's not tinfoil under every Bishop's mitre.

    I am gay, and I'm getting married in the Episcopal Church, just like my great-grandmother did.

    by commonmass on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 04:36:14 PM PST

  •  I am offended with this post (0+ / 0-)

    please respect my religion.  please stop anti Catholic bigotry.  the Catholic Church is not alone in believing in traditional family. There are other religions too but you always focus on the Catholics.  

    wall Street Casino is the root of the problem. Don't call them banks.

    by timber on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 04:41:09 PM PST

    •  Your cult will deserve a little respect when (1+ / 0-)
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      your leadership stops trying to use our secular government to impose their silly sharia laws on everybody, and stops funding hate groups like NOM.

      Until then you might want to wake up and realize that the bishops don't reflect the views of the majority of US Catholics.

    •  I saw no anti-Catholic bigotry (12+ / 0-)

      I saw complaints about the misbehavior, the immorality, of the bishops. If you think that the bishops are your religion, my condolences.

      The GOP is the party of mammon. They mock what Jesus taught.

      by freelunch on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:13:36 PM PST

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    •  Actually, fundamentalists (7+ / 0-)

      of all stripes come in for scads of well-deserved lampooning and condemnation on this site.

    •  I sympathize with your POV (3+ / 0-)

      In the past I've expressed to Kaili Joy my feeling that she's a little over the top with this stuff.  I'm a non-practicing Catholic with many practicing relatives and friends.  But I accept that her viewpoint is more representative of this site than mine - or yours, evidently.  Insults do tend to alienate, and I'm not sure if the alienation in this case is or isn't deliberate.  If you tell me that any well-informed person would agree that the Church is first and foremost a "pedophile protection racket," well, we have to agree to disagree.  I certainly do agree with commenters like skrekk below, who states that "bishops don't reflect the views of the majority of US Catholics." It just seems to me that the sort of vitriol in this diary isn't all that different than what I see posted by Facebook wingnuts about Islam - and that stuff also gets me PO'd.

      •  It's a matter of unilateral disarmament. (4+ / 0-)

        I'm against it everywhere and always.  The Church wants us to stand down so they can make the whole country conform to Catholic views, or should I say the views of the Catholic hierarchy.  No way.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 06:10:24 PM PST

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      •  You know... (2+ / 0-)
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        I've heard this before, but I rarely see anyone actually attacking the Catholic faithful. In fact, in this thread people seem to be going out of their way to make it clear that it's the Catholic hierarchy that we have a problem with. I have enormous respect for many of the Catholics I know, and I will always be grateful for my Jesuit education.

        I have nothing but contempt for the "whited sepulchures" of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Vatican, who have the unmitigated gall to claim that my marriage is a threat to children even as they shuffle known pedophiles around from parish to parish and excommunicate the mother who has an abortion for her 11-year-old daughter while letting the man who raped her stay in the Church.

        It often seems like the only ones who don't make the distinction between the Catholic hierarchy and the Catholics in the pews are the people complaining that Catholics are being insulted.

    •  Re: I am offended with this post (7+ / 0-)

      I completely understand your desire that people respect your religion. On the flip side, why should you or your religion get any more respect than you/it gives others? You want people to respect your religion? Earn it. You can start by taking your noses out of peoples' bedrooms, from up womens' skirts, and, in general, trying to impose your religious beliefs and moral values on others (who, by the way, would like to have their beliefs respected). I won't start on how hypocritical and morally bankrupt the church leadership is . . .

      If what I said sounded harsh, it was intended to be. In this wonderful country, we have freedom of religion (at least nominally). I feel as strongly as I can about people having the right to believe whatever they want to believe and live their lives as they see fit. I deeply respect your right to your religion and your religious beliefs. But I don't feel any need to respect your religion when it presumes that it has the right to impose itself on me and others. Believe what you want, and may you be comforted by your beliefs. But I have my own values and beliefs and I have nothing but contempt for anybody or any organization that presumes it has the right to dictate to me how I should live my life and what my values should be . . .

      "The water won't clear up 'til we get the hogs out of the creek." -- Jim Hightower

      by lartwielder on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 04:23:49 PM PST

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      •  I have a lesbian cousin and she prays novena (0+ / 0-)

        Only to non Catholics or ex Catholics do they feel alienation.  My a lesbian cousins prays the novena so her ex girlfriend comes back to her and she does not feel the church condemns her.

        wall Street Casino is the root of the problem. Don't call them banks.

        by timber on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 05:10:36 PM PST

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    •  I see people complaining about Catholic (2+ / 0-)
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      hierarchy -- not about Catholic people.  There's a big difference.

      "Since when did obeying corporate power become patriotic." Going the Distance

      by Going the Distance on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 06:00:40 PM PST

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    •  You always surface to say this. (7+ / 0-)

      Tell your religion to stop interfering in American public life, and we'll stop referencing your religion.  

      You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

      by Rich in PA on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 06:08:52 PM PST

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    •  Who's against the "traditional family"? (3+ / 0-)

      Nobody, that's who.  No one in this country is trying to interfere with people who want to have "traditional" families (whatever you mean by that).  In fact, all sorts of laws and policies are in place that support such traditional families.

      What the Catholic hierarchy is opposed to, though, is NOT an attack on the traditional family.  What the hierarchy opposes is any kind of law that would allow same-sex couples to be legally recognized as married or that would allow gay people to adopt children.  But allowing gay people to get married or to adopt children doesn't interfere with anyone else's family.  Despite that, the bishops are fighting tooth and nail against equality for LGBT people, and they are funding hate groups like NOM.  

      So please, cut the "anti-Catholic bigotry" crap.  The only bigots here are those old men in purple dresses.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 07:30:12 PM PST

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    •  I am offended with your misinterpretation (3+ / 0-)

      (probably deliberate) of the issues here. This always happens whenever someone rightly calls out the Catholic Church hierarchy for their hypocrisy and misplaced priorities. The response is to smear the person calling out the misbehavior with the ad hominem attack, "Boo hoo, you're an anti-Catholic bigot. It's almost identical to how certain people will accuse anyone who criticizes the behavior of the Israeli government of being 'anti-semitic." And you're wrong.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 12:06:53 AM PST

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    •  I am a Catholic baptized and confirmed. (0+ / 0-)

      There is nothing to respect.  Shut your mouth and take your lumps.  Catholics are lucky folks are not burning down the churches.

      I used to be Snow White. And then I drifted. - Mae West

      by CherryTheTart on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 12:12:05 AM PST

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  •  They've made so little progress the last millenium (1+ / 0-)
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       "What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman... I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children."
        -- Saint Augustine of Hippo, Church Father, Bishop of Hippo Regius, 354 - 430

        As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence.
        -- Thomas Aquinas, Saint, Doctor of the Church, 13th century

    To embrace a woman is to embrace a sack of manure...
    -- Saint Odo of Cluny


    The dire straits facing America are not due poor people having too much money

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 05:03:07 PM PST

  •  "Religious liberty"? (7+ / 0-)

    GMAFB. The Church's idea of "liberty" is a complete bastardization of the word. Let's call it what it really is: TYRANNY.

    The church is desperately trying to hold on to its wandering flock, but alas, many have realized that its ideas, particularly regarding birth control, are simply impractical in the reality of modern life. Children are expensive. Birth control is practical.

    Gay people are normal people. They are our friends, our neighbors, our family members. To excoriate them or treat them any differently from any other man or woman is simply ridiculous. And yet the Church tries to paint them as a completely separate species.

    I just get angrier every time I see "religious liberty" or "religious freedom" in print or coming from the mouth of some pompous ass. In every single case, said pompous ass is actually trying to cram his own narrow, backwards, homophobic, anti-woman rhetoric down the throats of the unwilling. Liberty and freedom, my ass. Religion has NO place in politics. The Founding Fathers were quite specific. Tax the churches!

  •  Well... (10+ / 0-)

    I am gay, and I'm getting married in the Episcopal Church, just like my great-grandmother did.

    by commonmass on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:06:47 PM PST

  •  I like that visual image.... (4+ / 0-)

    But how do you tap dance on a pogo stick?

    Is this one of those theological mysteries like "how can you condemn gay marriage while you fondle the altar boys?"

  •  A focus on prayer rather than politics... (4+ / 0-)

    ...seems like a good and proper turn of events IMO.

    Let all Bush tax cuts expire and , bring on the Sequestration cuts to defense.

    by kck on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:13:47 PM PST

    •  If that were what they were doing (2+ / 0-)
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      The bishops, like the smug self-righteous folks who made a big deal of their praying in public, are engaged in behavior that the gospels tell us Jesus condemned. Of course the bishops, being representatives of a foreign power, don't care that they are being hypocrites or that Jesus condemned their behavior. They want to make a big production of their commitment to their religious teachings, no matter what Jesus taught.

      The GOP is the party of mammon. They mock what Jesus taught.

      by freelunch on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:21:08 PM PST

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  •  Kaili, that'll always be their M.O. (2+ / 0-)
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    Thay call for days of prayer because that doesn't get them in hot water regarding their tax exempt status.

    (even though, IMHO, they shouldn't have it in the first place)

    And when it doesn't work, as always, they'll play the persecution card, again.

    As the popular saying goes, it's not God I have a problem with, it's his (most ardent) followers...

  •  The Catholic Church.. (6+ / 0-)

    has turned into a political organization. It is time they lost their tax exempt status. Can you imagine the amount of money that would flow into local coffers? Maybe enough to reduce my millage rate

    Clinton/ Warren 2016

    by artr2 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:17:02 PM PST

  •  intercessory prayer for our 14th century theocracy (2+ / 0-)
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    freelunch, homo neurotic

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:19:18 PM PST

  •  They are doing this a second time (4+ / 0-)

    because the first one was a huge fail.  With the kids in school, now they will have every Catholic grade and high school in the nation pushing the little kids out to march for their ends and make it look like Catholics give a rip.  They will use the kids for sure.  Keep an eye on any demonstrations that come out of this and see what percentage is kids and their parents and teachers that have to be involved, and how many look like they are your average Catholics.  The old ones won't come out if it's cold.

    •  With any luck, the middle and high school students (1+ / 0-)
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      will rebel against being used like that. The next generation acceptance and tolerance of GLBT doesn't stop at the Catholic school door.

      The last time the Republicans were this radical, they were working to elect former slaves to Congress. What a difference a century and a half makes!

      by jayjaybear on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 03:37:27 PM PST

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  •  Sweet Jesus, Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone ? (2+ / 0-)
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    Bring on the tough love and the tender altarboys, we are going to the mat on this one.

    "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

    by jakewaters on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:34:20 PM PST

    •  How did ol Sal... (1+ / 0-)
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      Make out on his DUI charges?

      "Do you realize the responsibility I carry?
      I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
      ~John F. Kennedy~


      by Oldestsonofasailor on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 05:35:15 PM PST

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      •  Apparently he copped a lesser plea (1+ / 0-)
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        a popular option for children of lesser gods.

        "I know in my life God has always had a way of putting me in my place. I would say, though, that in the latest episode of my life God has outdone himself," Cordileone said with a chuckle as he delivered his first homily as archbishop.

        The 56-year-old priest, the second-youngest U.S. archbishop, went on to say he did not know "if it's theologically correct to say God has a way of making himself known in this way," and asked for the indulgence of other high-ranking church leaders in the audience.

        Cordileone had been scheduled to appear in court on a misdemeanor charge of driving under the influence next Tuesday. Court records show he pleaded guilty on Monday to a reduced charge of reckless driving, an option frequently given to first-time DUI offenders, said Gina Coburn, a spokeswoman for the San Diego City Attorney.

        And WDSD? (What Did Sal Do?) Why, he told a self depreciating, if not exactly humble, parable about it, of course.  

        "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

        by jakewaters on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 03:44:34 AM PST

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        •  So he got off with only.... (0+ / 0-)

          4 Our Fathers, and 4 Hail Marys....

          Damn! Pretty Lenient for DUI!

          He should have gotten 10 Our Fathers, 10 Hail Marys, and a Daily Rosary for a week....

          "Do you realize the responsibility I carry?
          I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
          ~John F. Kennedy~


          by Oldestsonofasailor on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 02:35:04 PM PST

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  •  Jesus H Christ: Jesus Hussein Christ, No doubt (3+ / 0-)
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    Notice: This Comment © 2012 ROGNM

    by ROGNM on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:34:45 PM PST

  •  Tax them all (9+ / 0-)

    All of it.  Every religion.  I'm uninterested in "protecting the liberty" of institutions that don't do anything to protect mine.

    I'm a mushroom. Kept in the dark and know

    by The Voice from the Cave on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:37:02 PM PST

    •  entities from within organized religion (4+ / 0-)

      have clearly, and often, leapt wildly over the line that should serve to keep a tight lid on political activity / advocacy.

      ianal, but it seems to me that they are really pushing their luck in their simultaneous cake -eating and -having.

      i'm right there with you. ESPECIALLY in an environment where there's a whole lot of progress made taking away the rights of workers. seems fair to remind churches that they've been assuming rights that were never theirs as tax-exempt entities.

      "i hear you're mad about brubeck ... i like your eyes. i like him too." -donald fagen

      by homo neurotic on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:47:21 PM PST

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  •  Let 'em pray all they want (3+ / 0-)

    If prayer worked, the world would've ended a long time ago.

  •  Re: the new UCLA logo: I got it. (0+ / 0-)

    The 3-person committee who put this together were stoned.

    AND unimaginative.

    "There's a lot to be said for making people laugh. Did you know that that's all some people have? It isn't much, but it's better than nothing in this cockeyed caravan." --Joel McCrea as "Sully," in "Sullivan's Travels."

    by Wildthumb on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:38:42 PM PST

  •  Pray, pay and obey..... (3+ / 0-)
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    If the bishops had their way, they would do their damndest to totally annul Vatican II.  

    After Vatican II, Catholics were able to learn what is necessary for a well-formed conscience -- no wonder the "faithful" make up their own minds!!

    As some of the commenters have said, it seems that a majority of Catholics follow their consciences!

  •  Seems a little uncomfortable (0+ / 0-)

    to see Jesus bashing anywhere, including here.
    Jewish high priests who were considered higher than royalty during Jesus' ministry, conspired to kill him when a large number of the people began following him and converting to his teachings. This placed a threat on the priest's stature and they just couldn't have this. Rome would have dissolved the Jewish leadership, if a Messiah rebuked their authority with proof of his message from God. So the conspiracy against him was backed by Jews who believed any teaching against Moses and the Law was blasphemy and punishable by death.

  •  Whose Ox Is Being Gored Here? (4+ / 0-)

    "The overall focus is to invite Catholics to pray for rebuilding a culture favorable to life and marriage and for increased protections of religious liberty."

    What the Catholics REALLY need to be doing is praying -- better yet, WORKING -- to ensure that the young boys brutalized by their priests are mentally, emotionally, and spiritually OK.  It is high time for the Catholic church to stop thinking only of themselves and looking at ALL of mankind in their surroundings.

    Any organization that sanctions the brutalizing of children without making ANY effort to end said brutalizing, carries absolutely no weight with me.

  •  I have an idea (3+ / 0-)
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    on how we can rebuild a culture favorable to marriage. Let's approve marriage equality nationally!

    Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. Throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. --Mark Twain

    by Debby on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:51:47 PM PST

  •  more like a 12-step program (0+ / 0-)
    Not surprisingly, the five-step plan basically just involves lots and lots of praying. Praying in church, praying at home, praying with rosaries. If American Catholics pray hard enough, they can pray the gay away. And the vaginas!

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:54:04 PM PST

  •  And the ultimate horror: (1+ / 0-)
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    GAY vagina-Americans. (screeeeaaaaaam).

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 02:55:47 PM PST

  •  Medieval Madness (0+ / 0-)

    You know, back in the days of Black Plague, wars that could last a hundred years, etc. etc. the Church was a pretty good racket.

    They really miss those days. But hey - at least the Pope has learned about Tweeting.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 03:02:37 PM PST

  •  Why don't we ever fight back...? (4+ / 0-)

    Why not produce something like "The Campaign for Human Progress"...

    1) That religious liberty is a precious gift and that includes being able to live ones life unfettered by the religious ideology of others.

    2) That marriage is a important building block of society and ensuring that it is strengthened by honoring all those who wish to can walk down that path with dignity and respect.

    3) That women and men have a right to manage the biology of their own bodies. There is only the tiniest of baby steps needed to take between the rationale of regulating abortion and harvesting sperm and ova; they are all the building blocks of life.

    4) That not all contributions to society are paid in gold, and that what taxes we do pay should be fair and equitable for the greater good of all.

    And finally, 5) That the only way we can solve the challenges we face as a people are if we treat each other with respect. Denigrating whole peoples and disrespecting the planet we live on can be the deadliest of sins.

    What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

    by equern on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 03:02:56 PM PST

  •  You think that's bad? (2+ / 0-)
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    Some years ago a few religious extremist  doodleheads in Turkey claimed that the reason behind the economic woes of the country was too much secularism and not enough adhering to the rules (!) of religion like making sure to wash your genitals each time after relieving yourself. Toilet paper was the invention of the devil, you see...

    A cartoonist using this hilarity draw a man sitting in the toilet washing himself for hours while asking to the other guy who is standing outside the door: "My butt is getting numb, yo! Go see if the value of Turkish lira has gone up yet."

    Well, let's see how much praying it is gonna take to wash teh gays and the uppity vaginas away...

    Till their mouths go numb?


    "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

    by zenox on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 03:04:25 PM PST

  •  Why does prayer (1+ / 0-)
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    offend you so?

  •  Why does "Religious Liberty" (6+ / 0-)

    always seem to infringe upon the liberties of others?

    •  Religious Liberty (0+ / 0-)

      It seems to me that the RCC's argument is so often the same, whatever the issue. Whenever the RCC hierarchy collectively stamps slippered feet and argues for their own viewpoint, the argument they present us with is invariably their own moral exceptionalism.

      The Roman Catholic Argument:
      The RCC must and should be able to ignore criminal law, aid and abet child molesters, ignore or attempt to remake civil law, and ignore the civil rights of its employees as it sees fit because the RCC is more moral than your Average Bear. The RC hierarchy are practicing nonviolent civil/religious disobedience by hiding child molesters and depriving secretaries (Catholic or otherwise) of condoms. They are foaming away and playing politics in the service of religious freedom of conscience and of "life."

      This argument begs the question: Whose life and whose conscience?: the Bishop or the Secretary, Nurse, Teacher, Janitor, etc.? Who gets to decide the moral questions in one's life? I am not willing to give over that responsibility to others.

      What is nonviolent civil/religious disobedience?  Gandhi's definition is the clearest in my opinion:

      I have also called it love-force or soul-force. . . . I discovered in the earliest stages that pursuit of truth did not admit of violence being inflicted on one’s opponent but that he must be weaned from error by patience and compassion. For what appears to be truth to the one may appear to be error to the other. And patience means self-suffering. So the doctrine came to mean vindication of truth, not by infliction of suffering on the opponent, but on oneself.[8]

      Let us examine the definition of violence:

      Violence is defined by the World Health Organization as the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment or deprivation. This definition associates intentionality with the committing of the act itself, irrespective of the outcome it produces.

      A conscientious objector takes on the burden of the objection. That is the nature of nonviolent conscientious objection, religious or otherwise. Transferring the burden of one's own conscientious objection onto the Other is not conscientious objection. It is assault. The Roman Catholic Church is engaging in the War on Women.

      This is not new. And it is getting very old. I am particularly distressed by the fact that the RCC has hired a media specialist to handle public relations.  The RCC is now making commercials complete with visions of hellfire that awaits you if you do not vote as you are ordered to vote.

      Each woman will decide for herself how to handle her private sexual/reproductive life.  That is liberty.  The Roman Catholic Church will obey civil law now, please.  It is the Rule of Law that provides the order within which each citizen exercises liberty and free choice, religious or otherwise.

      I used to be Snow White. And then I drifted. - Mae West

      by CherryTheTart on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 12:31:47 AM PST

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  •  and I thought voter fraud was the phantom menace (0+ / 0-)

    Slow thinkers - keep right

    by Dave the Wave on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 03:45:19 PM PST

  •  In 1959 I dropped out of the church as I could not (1+ / 0-)
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    bring myself to confess self abuse (Ya know, spankin...) and because I could not figure out who made God if he made everything in the universe....boy did that decision save me a lot of wasted time and energy.

  •  Forgive them Lord for they know not what they do (0+ / 0-)

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 05:41:20 PM PST

  •  What happened to the recommend buttons? (0+ / 0-)

    Most of them are not appearing.

    "Since when did obeying corporate power become patriotic." Going the Distance

    by Going the Distance on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 05:58:31 PM PST

  •  I'm still terrified that the Pope will call (0+ / 0-)

    Kennedy and tell him that he'll go to hell unless he bans gay marriage...and that semi-senile guy who seems to be getting more conservative as he approaches death (and keeps getting told he'll go to hell unless he votes Catholic on all issues) will fold and fuck us over for the next generation...

    Atheism is a religion like Abstinence is a sexual position. - Bill Maher, 2/3/2012

    by sleipner on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 04:52:50 PM PST

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