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U.S. House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) (2nd L) stifles a sob as he awards astronaut Neil Armstrong (L) with the Congressional Gold Medal at the U.S. Capitol in Washington November 16, 2011. Also pictured is Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) (2nd R)
Why is Harry Reid smiling?
Democrats are openly wondering if House Speaker John Boehner is actually leading right now. His hold on his job has been called into question in the past few days by conservatives, so Democrats are joining in.

Here's Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, on the talk he's heard around town.

"We've heard about all the infighting going on with the House leadership. I don't know how valid it is. I just got a message here that there's a battle going on between McCarthy and Ryan and the Majority Leader in the House… and Boehner."

"Boehner's having trouble finding help from his leadership as to what they're to do," Reid added.

House Democratic budget chief Chris Van Hollen piles on.

"I'm getting increasingly concerned that one of the reasons the speaker is trying to string out these discussions is he wants to wait until Jan. 3 until the elections for speaker take place," Rep. Chris Van Hollen said at a breakfast with reporters hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

"I hope he wouldn't avoid the tough decisions simply to take us into January after his swearing in," Van Hollen added, "but I'm becoming increasingly worried that that's exactly what's going on." [...]

"The risk for the speaker, of course, if he brings to the floor of the House a bill that doesn't have a majority of Republican votes, it could mean more churning in his caucus," Van Hollen said.

Boehner is obviously getting pressure from somewhere, because his regular and public insistence that he's not budging from his anti-tax hike, starve-granny position sure isn't working with the public. That's just obvious. It would be irresponsible of prominent Democrats to not point that out, so think of it as concern trolling for the common good.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 08:22 AM PST.

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  •  After all the bad news the left has been having (18+ / 0-)

    It's good to know that at least Boner has to worry about keeping his job. Then again, if Cantor becomes Speaker, that's not exactly reassuring.

    •  Cantor would only be Speaker for a short time... (23+ / 0-)

      ...and his election would guarantee flipping the House back to the Democrats in 2014. Cantor is the embodyment of all Republican positions that the electorate rejected back in November. He also probably wouldn't get the total respect of his fellow teabaggers since he is Jewish.

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 08:32:11 AM PST

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      •  I'm beginning to think that we need two years (17+ / 0-)

        in the proverbial desert to put the final knife into teabaggery. You're exactly right; two years of Cantor would guarantee a Democratic House in 2014. Nothing would get done in the meantime---and I mean literally nothing, probably not even some appropriations, and probably GOPers would shut down chunks of the government. But there's no getting rid of them without shining the bright, hard light on exactly what they represent. And the don't want to seem to go away until that happens.

        So, fuck 'em. Bring it on. Push Boehner out and show us what you've got. Start revving up the squealing tricorner-wearing astroturf-ers. Get out those Koch and Adelson wallets and start buying ads 24/7. Get Bachmann and West and DeMint and Gingrich and every other doughy white freak in front of Faux News cameras. Own it! Show us how low you'll go!

        •  I am not positive that you are right but. . . (10+ / 0-)

          THAT is a great point that I will need to consider.

          My initial reaction was "do we really want Boehner gone?  B/c I can certainly think of even more insane/mean spirited and uncomprimising R-Reps (Cantor)"

          But you raise a great point. . . perhaps the ONLY way to make progress is to hit bottom and, terrifyingly, Boehner may not be the real bottom.

          Perhaps the fact that Boehner, might - at the end of a long day - agree provisionally with Obama that the sky is blue, makes him way to progressive for the true "bottom" members of the caucus.

          Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

          by 4CasandChlo on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:28:28 AM PST

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          •  Boehner isn't the bottom (6+ / 0-)

            He's a typical Bush-era republican, and represents about 2/3 of the current caucus.

            Ie, just enough to NOT have a majority without either the Tea Partiers or the Democrats, and there's very little he can propose that Dems will sign on to while holding his 2/3 caucus together.

            He's the weakest speaker I've seen in my lifetime because of the huge gaps between the four major House factions.

            There is no deal the Progressive Caucus and the Tea Party Caucus can agree on, but that's fairly  normal  (extreme right and left don't ever vote together)

            What makes him weak is that there is also nothing the normal Dem caucus and Tea Parties can agree on, or that the Progressive caucus and normal R caucus can agree on.  This means the only way B can cobble together a majority is with tea party+mainline Rs.

            Contrast this to the 2004 or 2006 house.   In those houses  you could pass a bill by either uniting the majority caucus or by picking off 20-30 moderates from the the majority and uniting the minority caucus.

            The problem now is that centrists have been completely purged from the Rs, and the dems have been pared back to the point where there aren't enough centrist dems in the house to overcome the Tea Party faction.  (Boehner might have been able to pick off 20ish Dems for some things, but not enough to overcome losing 60+ R votes).

            So that means....anything that passes the House has to be Tea Party acceptable.   Which means it will NOT pass the Senate or get signed by the Prez.

            As long as there are enough hardline tea partiers in the caucus AND as long as the rest of the non-tea-party Rs still vote like normal Bush republicans (ie, no "centrists") this situation will endure.

            The only way to break the logjam is to either break off about a third of the Democratic caucus to vote like bush Rs, or to split off about 30 R votes from the Republican caucus and pass essentially Democratic legislation.  (kinda like what happened in the New York senate, except with renegade Rs instead of Ds)

            I don't see Pelosi losing control of her caucus that way.  The wobblies were almost entirely purged in 2010.

            Which means from a Speaker standpoint we're looking at three possibilities in 2013-2104.

            1.  Status quo.   Boehner will talk a good game but his caucus will never deliver.  They'll do a lot of symbolic votes.  Once in a blue moon something substantive will be passed (like the tiny "help veterans get work" portion of Obama's jobs bill package that did pass).  Continuing resolutions to keep government functioning on status quo basis will probably be cobbled together with a mix of R and D votes, although they'll be hard to pass because the Tea Partiers will keep trying to add nasty amendments, so we might see the occasional government shutdown.

            2.  Boehner replaced with Cantor or Ryan or similar.   Nothing but symbolic votes will take place, and even more wasted time in "investigations".  Expect a debt limit constitutional crisis and at least one government shutdown.

            3.  Regardless of the R speaker, Pelosi might get 20+ Rs to form a "centrist" caucus, on the New York senate model, and vote with the Dems.  I don't see this happening except on the most vital legislation (budgets) or the most popular (tax reductions for middle class, defense appropriations).  But if it does, what we have is sort-of-a Dem majority in the House, enough to keep the govt running.   This might only happen after #2 has sent us off a cliff or two.

            Even in scenario #3 though, whomever the speaker is can block most legislation by not bringing it to a vote, so all #3 type activities would have to be done with the kind of petition Pelosi introduced to try to get the middle class tax cuts done.  In a way, this is probably a trial run to get the process down for repeated use in 2013-2014 if she can break free a few Rs who either care about governing or no longer care about re-election for whatever reason, or both.

            •  The only reason Boehner would (3+ / 0-)
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              want to wait till January to actually start dealing, imo, is because
              1) He is waiting from that ever present knife in the back from Cantor and Ryan and cannot actually lead at this point because of all the points you bring up
              2) he is hoping the new congress will bring new dynamics in his favor i.e the teabaggery contingent will start to actually THINK
              3) he actually cannot do anything, again because of points you bring up and hopes that the Ryan and Cantor faction will actually step up to the plate and well er ummm LEAD in the new year.

              It looks to me as though you have the right of it. We are looking at a transition of the RepubliCONS to the RepubliCAN'TS. It will be a long long two years.

              American Television is a vast sea of stupid. -xxdr zombiexx

              by glitterscale on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 10:13:19 AM PST

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        •  Those two years in the desert are half of Obama's (4+ / 0-)

          ... remaining term. And traditionally, the last two of eight years are pretty fallow for the sitting President.

          Arguably, that might not be so - the last two might be productive - if (1) Republican obstructionism in 2013-14 is as we'd expect from Eric Cantor, and (2) the GOP House feels energized, renewed and goes more bat-shit crazy, and (3) Democrats capitalize on it by building good state-level organizations and running candidates who actually win in 2014. (As the political maxim goes, "Close" only counts in horseshoes and dancing.)

          We might be stuck with those "ifs" anyway. But I believe our chances of success are more realistic with shaky but continued Boehner "leadership", a weakened Tea Party position in the GOP (to be sure, only "weakened" but it is bleeding) and an aggressive Obama agenda next year that tees up our issues. Oh Yes, and #3 above no matter what!

          2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

          by TRPChicago on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:46:47 AM PST

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          •  Are the 15 moderate GOoPers… (0+ / 0-)

            …that we could persuade to cross the aisle?

            Teh stoopidTM, it hurts. Buy smart, union-printed, USA-made, signs, stickers, swag for everyone: Get your We are the 99% Yard Sign.

            by DemSign on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 11:04:01 AM PST

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            •  Possibly. You've hit on a key point! (1+ / 0-)
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              Somehow, in the Senate, Mitch the Obstructionist has been able to keep his flock of Republicans in line almost all the time. (It hasn't been just McConnell, obviously, but he's been able to be amazingly belligerent.) Would any House GOP members, particularly after November 2012, be leaning toward moderate? And vote accordingly? And take the heat?

              1. They would have to buck a party still in reflexive thrall of uber-conservatives and with leadership who is conflicted, to say the least.
              2. Members who "weaken" on any key vote of principle will have to live in a hot-and-hotter GOP-controlled House for the next 24 months. Nothing realistic can possibly turn the House Democratic before November 2014.
              3. The leverage conservative zealots have to terrorize those who would stray is in the primaries. That's where the Far and Farther Right prevails, because it can run their co-zealots, promise 'em lots of money and "intellectual" support and energize their base to vote. It's a time when most other voters stay at home and wait for the "real" election. The district's general election may be close, but (a) the GOP incumbent has to get to the general and (b) we Democrats have to put forth a weak candidate or no one. In 2014, it is unlikely that we will forgo running a likely winner in any marginal district.
              4. They could cross the Rubicon, become Democrats and caucus accordingly. Needless to say, this would brand them treacherous anathema in the Right and the DFC would have to pledge a lot of support to them in the coming years. Or, they would have to retire in 2014. (And if they did, could they be effective lobbyists, the career path of choice for so many retiring members?)

              I don't think Republicans see the results of 2012 in terms that will produce 15 converts on issues or processes that are dear to the GOP. Although hope does spring eternal. My main hope is that we use the next 18 months to double-up on resources, campaign organizations, state-level structures and well-advised strategy to point up the differences that will energize our base in 2014.

              2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

              by TRPChicago on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 11:50:28 AM PST

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        •  Aren't we already 2 years into the wilderness? (2+ / 0-)
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          After 2010, nothing progressive has made progress. Boner is only more palatable than Cantor and the TeaBaggers because he SOUNDS nicer. But he's saying the exact same things when you boil them down.
          And it may be that Cantor's "leadership style" might be abrasive enough to backlash, but I believe that backlash is well underway already.
          Boner is weak and he can be twisted, somewhat, his personal positions are not quite as extreme as his party, so he can't give it full throat, where Cantor and the bas+ards behind him have no such conflict.
          What forcing Boner to screw himself will do is heat up the civil war inside the GOP. Any disarray, chaos in the caucus, is a good thing for the rest of US. If my reading of tea leaves is anywhere near right, Boner is closer to the establishment GOP than Cantor. I believe that the TeaBaggers have fallen from grace and will be cut loose by all but their most insane backers. Boner signaled as much by purging the TeaBaggers from committees, cutting down his opposition. The hyper-partisan gridlock brought on by the TeaBaggers, is hurting Big Business' bottom line. Another four years of obstruction in an attempt to coral Obama is too much to pay for too little return. But they built this monster and it's taken on life of it's own, so now they have to cut it back down or lose everything.
          If Boner gets knocked off and the TeaBaggers are ascendant, the GOP's traditional base (Big Business and Old Money) will have lost a major battle.
          And their whole party will be much weakened as civil war breaks out and many of their sponsors step back.
          And THAT bodes well for US.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 10:04:34 AM PST

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          •  I haven't seen any sign of (0+ / 0-)


            TeaBaggers have fallen from grace and will be cut loose by all but their most insane backers
            Mostly because the "backers" are stuck with zero, zed without the tbaggers. They fell in line behind the rape guys remember? And took a hit in the pocket book as well!.

            American Television is a vast sea of stupid. -xxdr zombiexx

            by glitterscale on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 10:17:18 AM PST

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      •  They have to agree on someone or it's Pelosi (0+ / 0-)

        As I understand it, each party nominates someone, but people can actually vote for anyone they want, even someone not in the House (Newt Gingrich, Daffy Duck) if they want.  Generally the party coalesces around someone.  If Boehner doesn't have 201 votes and the Dems hang together, theoretically Pelosi could be speaker.  What I don't know is if it has to be settled by Jan 3 when the new Congress takes over. If they have 2 sizable factions, they may be in trouble.  

        They can't even govern themselves; how can they pretend they are capable of governing the country?

        The scientific uncertainty doesn't mean that climate change isn't actually happening.

        by Mimikatz on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 10:04:56 AM PST

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    •  cantor never speaker, see TX repubs about Jews (6+ / 0-)

      Joe Straus TX state repub house caused all the crazies to openly ask if a "xtian" speaker would not be better and they screeched and they fought to make sure the "Jew" didnt get the spot

      He did anyway, but texas for all its faults isnt south carolina, Georgia, tn, etc and I would expect the deep south to flip out over cantor becoming speaker/ majority leader of house repubs

      taking bets now that it will never happen in this century

      •  What is kind of sad (0+ / 0-)

        is that the "Moral Majority" types are happy to talk about Judeo-Christian values, right up to the point where the Judeo part gets a voice.

        FWIW, Straus is well respected among his fellow legislators, and even his main rivals for the speakership have condemned the anti-semitic remarks bubbling up from one of the state GOP party committees.

        To the extent that Straus is vulnerable to a speaker challenge within his party, it is because he represents an urban, corporate type of Republican and he is frequently willing to seriously entertain discussions with other urban-disctrict representatives (which includes most of the elected democrats). Straus's chief rivals hail from the suburban/exurban community (Paxton) and the rural interest community (Chisum). The rural-vs-urban tension is a very large part of Texas politics.

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        by harrije on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 10:50:45 AM PST

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      •  If Boehner falls… (0+ / 0-)

        …it won't be to his Lieutenant, Cantor won't be running for the speakership. Boehner would be challenged by someone like Tom Price (who has said he won't actually challenge Boehner).

        Teh stoopidTM, it hurts. Buy smart, union-printed, USA-made, signs, stickers, swag for everyone: Get your We are the 99% Yard Sign.

        by DemSign on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 11:09:29 AM PST

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  •  Typical Republican behavior (8+ / 0-)

    Boehner would rather save his own job as Speaker than act as a leader, because the rest of the "leadership" is even crazier.  John McCail always preached "Country First", even if he didn't always live up to it.  Boehner seems to believe in "Me First, and the devil take the hindmost".

    The Scout Law (trustworthy, loyal, helpful...) is a GREAT liberal manifesto.

    by DaytonMike on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 08:27:50 AM PST

  •  Boehner's position was insecure... (12+ / 0-)

    ...from the get-go. Thank the teabaggers for that.

    Of course, he's a flawed leader, so he has to get some of the blame.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 08:29:09 AM PST

  •  Hard Not To Nod Our Heads In Agreement (4+ / 0-)
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    and let out a deep groan in conjunction with this entertaining concern trolling.

    “I’m able to fly, do what I want, essentially. I guess that’s what freedom is — no limits.” Marybeth Onyeukwu -- Brooklyn DREAMer.

    by chuco35 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 08:30:02 AM PST

  •  I'm Not Sure Boehner's So Bad for Us. (7+ / 0-)

    He's announced compromises periodically over the years only to have the baggers pull them off the table.

    In Jan. the House will be less teabaggy; maybe he'll be a little more flexible then.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 08:34:03 AM PST

  •  I've been (14+ / 0-)

    calling my teabagger Congresscritter Scott Tipton weekly. I ask first if there has been any movement with the Farm Bill(of course there hasn't), and then follow it up with "If Speaker Boehner can't help Congressman Tipton's constituents, perhaps we need a new Speaker." Banging the drum slowly for months now.

    "The better I know people, the more I like my dog."

    by Thinking Fella on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 08:35:21 AM PST

  •  Awww buddy... (1+ / 0-)
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    But seriously though.  This may be fun to watch but if he somehow gets usurped the next guy will more certainly be worse.  A whole lot worse.

    The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing online commenters that they have anything to say.-- B.F.

    by lcj98 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 08:39:13 AM PST

  •  Maybe that's why Boehner cries so much. (5+ / 0-)

    All those stab wounds must hurt.

  •  It's Unclear to Me (1+ / 0-)
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    Is Boehner the dam holding back a flood of extremist craziness from the rest of us caucus?

    Is he the spear's tip of the craziness and the country would be better served with another leader?

    "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

    by bink on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:06:14 AM PST

  •  You can bet Boehner is feeling heat from his... (7+ / 0-)

    right.  That was one of the reasons for the recent purge of conservatives.  He was firing a shot across their bow saying basically, "STFU, get in line and vote the Party line or you're next".

    But he sure as hell can't give them any more ammunition to use against him by agreeing to tax increases on the wealthy if he doesn't have to.

    Conservatives are hearing from their base to fire Boehner, so his reelection is far from certain.

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:06:27 AM PST

    •  re: pressure from the right (0+ / 0-)

      I don't see how, but I get the sneaking feeling that birth control will rear its head in this negotiation somehow (some dumb catholic church amendment, maybe). Honestly, the anti-reproductive-rights card is the only one he can play to deliver the teavangelical caucus. It would be a kamikaze leadership move, but I wouldn't be shocked if Boehner had to force his caucus to vote "for abortion rights" or "for tax hikes."

  •  Interesting times for the House GOP, all right. (1+ / 0-)
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    I think Obama knows how desperate Boehner is right now. That's why he's holding his ground.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:12:54 AM PST

  •  Other theory: Republicans want America to burn (8+ / 0-)

    as the price for its poor (sic) choice of leadership.

    That was the essence of the Summer 2011 debt ceiling kabrinki.

    •  That's so sick that it makes complete sense. ;-P (4+ / 0-)

      I'll say it again, like I've said a thousand times before ... The southernization of today's GOP makes the party more assholy, more bullying, more ignorant, and utterly unable to understand---let alone engage in---compromise of any kind. There's no leap of logic at all to think that the worst aspects of the GOP would punish the country for failing to abide by its ideology. Even when that means self-inflicted wounds.

      Southern honey-badgerism. They just don't give a shit.

  •  GOP are clueless....they got nothin. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  So what 'you're saying is that... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...Boehner wants to wreck the country for personal gain.  Right?  Maybe we should start spelling his name, "BAIN-er"....

    I count even the single grain of sand to be a higher life-form than the likes of Sarah Palin and her odious ilk.

    by Liberal Panzer on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:38:51 AM PST

  •  We really are concerned.............. (2+ / 0-)
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    The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

    by JML9999 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:40:15 AM PST

  •  Boehner's leadership has been wildly irresponsible (5+ / 0-)
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    The debt ceiling, the farm bill, committee appointments, and now the fiscal cliff.  

    Would a different leader be better?  I don't think it matters.

    "Let's see what fresh fuckwittery these dolts can contrive to torment themselves with this time." -- Iain Banks, The Hydrogen Sonata

    by Rikon Snow on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:41:14 AM PST

  •  It's tough (3+ / 0-)
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    to negotiate a budget deal when you're facing re-election. The President knows. The President remembers.

    Good luck on your re-election bid Mr. Boehner. The President is willing to give you as much support in that effort as you gave him.

    The choice of our lifetime: Mitt Romney, It Takes A Pillage or President Barack Obama, Forward Together.

    by FiredUpInCA on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:46:08 AM PST

  •  Boehner: A deer in the headlights (0+ / 0-)

    He is damned if he does the deal by the far right and damned if he doesn't by the Wall Street businesses. This has nothing to do with President Obama. But rather how screwed up the GOP has become. The White House is likely having a field day watching Boehner run from one side of the street to the other trying to decide which way is safer!

    I just can't help but think of him like a poor deer caught in the headlights. lol

    Either way, Boehner is roadkill in January.

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:49:37 AM PST

  •  What we (or better, Harry Reid) is to start the (0+ / 0-)

    pretty much true meme that Boehner has to run all this stuff by Limbaugh, not so much the bulk of legislators

    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:51:34 AM PST

  •  I'd hate to derail the discussion, but (1+ / 0-)
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    It hasn't bothered me until now.

    What is the deal with that picture? Could someone clue me into the context? I know Boehner is a cry baby, but what was it that made him make that face? Is he really crying, or is that laughing (in a weird way)? Hell, I don't think I have ever seen him laugh, and maybe this might a key to unlocking his terrible behavior.

    •  It was at an Neil Armstrong's (3+ / 0-)
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      Medal of Honor ceremony. Maybe unfair to use, but hell, it's Boehner.

      And alcohol may or may not have been involved.

      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:58:48 AM PST

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    •  It's Neil Armstrong's fault (2+ / 0-)
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      He was blubbering over astronauts.

      Here is the original.

      (To be honest, I would possibly have done the same in those circumstances!)

      And remember: If you don't like the news, go out and make some of your own. - Scoop Nisker, the Last News Show

      by North Madison on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 10:01:21 AM PST

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      •  Thank you so much. (0+ / 0-)

        and also to Joan.

        I got less than 2hrs of sleep last night, I'm sort of in a fog and I have been staring at that picture for more than 10 minutes wondering "what causes this goddamn face?", and getting more and more angry by the second.

        Even though I have lost my faith in Obama and Dem leadership, my hat is off to them for being forced to negotiate with him.

  •  Disaster Awaits Republicans at Bottom of Fiscal Cl (2+ / 0-)
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    Noam Scheiber says President Obama should let Republicans takes us over the fiscal cliff.

    "They will see that they have been completely repudiated by the public in a way that even the election didn't impress on them.

    It will, in other words, be as close as you get in politics to a total victory for one side. It will highlight the perils of following one's base too slavishly, a lesson that will come in handy not just on future fiscal policy fights (there will in all likelihood still be a debt ceiling to raise next year), but, one can imagine, also on an issue like immigration.

    Which is to say, it's only by forcing the GOP off the cliff that Obama will find the space he needs to govern."

    What do we want? Time Travel! When do we want it? It's irrelevant.

    by NCJim on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:53:24 AM PST

  •  There is NO GOP LEADERSHIP in the house, NONE (1+ / 0-)
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    that's why they can't get any one to sign off on this.  They can't make an agreement.

    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up !

    by Churchill on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:58:31 AM PST

  •  The question needed to be asked. (0+ / 0-)

    And now the seed is planted.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 10:02:48 AM PST

    •  I'm concerned (1+ / 0-)
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      that I have no "comment" button available to me but that I can still "reply to this"

      I'm concerned that John Boehner is probably the best we can hope for out of Republican House leadership.

      Who would be better?


      I struggle to think of a House Republican in anything close to a leadership position that remains sane and reasonable enough to deal with.

      I'm concerned that in the time it took to type this DailyKos finally stopped downloading all its cookies and other crap and got around to the "post a comment" button which is not available.

      "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

      by Andrew C White on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 10:07:19 AM PST

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  •  As hunter has said (3+ / 0-)
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    Egalitare, tb mare, john07801

    It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

  •  Maybe one thing Dems should do (1+ / 0-)
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    is to say that they support Speaker Boehner and will vote to maintain him as Speaker no matter what the Republican members decide to do. That would be most amusing.

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 10:11:11 AM PST

  •  Their concern is palpable... (0+ / 0-)

    like sexual tension.

    It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

    by Murphoney on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 10:18:01 AM PST

  •  The orange one has had knives in his back for some (0+ / 0-)

    time now. Cantor hates him, so does Ryan, and the whole teabagger crowd. The question is who are they going to put up against him? Cantor? Ryan? Who? Seriously they have no one on the bench right now that is not seriously damaged goods. Anyone with the chops to challenge and win will doom the house to a blue hue in 2014.

  •  I like the Rachel Maddow "Boehner sucks at his job (1+ / 0-)
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    " hypothesis. Competent legislative leadership--for either party--is just an important government function. You need to know when to bend, when to be steely. Pelosi did it well, I'd say even Hastert did it well or Gingrich. They say the first rule of cross-examination is to never ask a question you don't know the answer to; well, in Congressional terms, you never float a trial balloon for a vote. Boehner's just gone "fuck it" and let the GOP air out its disputes (esp on foreign affairs and fiscal matters) on the house floor, which is horrific leadership. And he seems to be a real sissy when it comes to bucking seniority and enforcing discipline.

    Bringing up the Ryan budget for a vote--twice--was a colossal miscalculation, and it's a shame the Dems didn't run a more national house campaign sooner.

  •  If Boehner is replaced with Cantor it's quite (0+ / 0-)

    unlikely Cantor will follow a policy that got Boehner fired, even if he is the Teabagger from Hell.
    Politicians are instinctual. The removal of Boehner is all to the good IMO.

  •  Better the Devil you know (0+ / 0-)

    than let one of the nincompoop tea baggers replace him. Think things are tough now....?

  •  Nail on Head (0+ / 0-)

    Boehner isn't worried as much about the elections in 2014, as he is about his own election in 2013.

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 01:00:26 PM PST

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