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Some revealing numbers From the new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll:
The GOP’s fav/unfav rating in the poll now stands at 30%/45% (minus-15), which is down from 36%/43% (minus-7) right before the election. That’s compared with the Democratic Party’s 44%/35% rating (plus-9). And other than self-described Republicans and conservatives, just two other groups have a net positive view of the GOP: folks who live in rural America (39%/33%) and folks who live in the South (39%/38%), that’s it. What’s more, asked to give a word or short phrase to describe the Republican Party, 65% offered a negative comment, including MORE THAN HALF of Republicans. The top responses: “Bad,” “weak,” “negative,” “uncompromising,” “need to work together,” “broken,” “disorganized” and “lost.”
For context, that 65 percent figure is nearly twice the 37 percent who gave a negative word or phrase to describe the Democratic Party. And while the poll shows President Obama with his best approval rating in nearly two years (53 percent approve and 43 disapprove), just 19 percent have a positive view of John Boehner.

The Democratic advantage isn't just about personal popularity or partisan preferences, however. Not surprisingly, 65 percent of poll respondents prefer a compromise to cut spending and raise taxes to the automatic cuts and increases of the so-called fiscal cliff. What is surprising is that 66 percent of Republicans agree with this position, according to NBC internals reported by Greg Sargent. Overall, more than 76 percent say they would support a deal that included a tax increase on income above $250,000.

And stepping away from the spectacle that is the fiscal cliff, voters side with Obama on the tax issues looming before Congress. Sixty-eight percent say voters gave him a mandate to extend current rates on all income below $250,000 and 59 percent say he has a mandate to let the Bush tax cuts on income above $250,000 expire.

The poll of American adults was conducted from Dec. 6-9 with a margin of error of 3.1 percent.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:25 AM PST.

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  •  Big John is going to need his bottle (4+ / 0-)
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    jennyp, Railfan, Hohenzollern, OooSillyMe

    and his Teddie before this is all over. It's going to be "nap time," if you know what I mean.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:31:45 AM PST

  •  I suppose that if people really understood (2+ / 0-)
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    RichM, Sarenth

    the issues that are stake, they would be willing to bankrupt the country and let it go into default.  We have to destroy the country if we're going to save it.

    •  It's interesting that the major media outlets (1+ / 0-)
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      have refused to mention Pelosi's Discharge Petition, which now has 182 House signatures.  You have to hope that when the moment's right, there can be a coordinated push on the Sunday Morning shows to get the Middle Class Tax bill to the floor of the House this way.  The more it looks like Boehner's dancing in his own mirror, the more it seems the troops are getting restless...

      "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards." ~Soren Kierkegaard

      by Beastly Fool on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:22:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I know Americans want a 'deal'... (4+ / 0-)
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    blueoasis, vcmvo2, rukidingme, bobatkinson

    But this poll doesn't seem to ask the question: "who is to blame if it doesn't happen?"  I still say the best course of action is to go over the bunny slope.

    'Goodwill' between the GOP and the President is as abundant as unicorn farts - Me'

    by RichM on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:39:42 AM PST

    •  The poll specifically asked that (2+ / 0-)
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      RichM, VClib

      and the answer was 56% say both sides are equally to blame.  

      •  Your money or your life... (3+ / 0-)
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        vcmvo2, lostinamerica, bobatkinson

        So, someone puts a gun to your head, and says "Your money or your life." I suppose the American public would say that both sides are equally to blame and everyone has to give something. Like the victim needs to negotiate to half his assets or is being recalcitrant and unreasonable.

        "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

        by shmuelman on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:08:40 AM PST

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        •  I think it's more that (6+ / 0-)

          the public, as a general matter, doesn't even know who Speaker Boehner is.  Political junkies like those at this site do, but if you asked 50 people on the street who John Boehner was, or who the Speaker of the House was, I doubt that more than 1/4 would know -- if that.

          I think it has more to do with the fact that for a lot of the public, the President -- and they KNOW who that is  -- is in charge, and if things aren't going right with the government, for them, it's his fault.  

    •  Cuts to social insurance programs? (0+ / 0-)

      This poll consisted of false choices leading to the false equivalency that participants see as both sides being at fault if a deal is not reached between benefit cuts and taxes. At this stage there shouldn't even be any talk about Social Insurance programs, just "Are you in favor of President's tax proposal or not?". All that is happening right now is Republicans using cuts to Safety net programs as hostage to keeping taxes on those making more than $250,000 NET from going up. False choices that just further the Peterson Institutes ongoing propaganda to cut SS and Medicare when that doesnt' even need to be discussed at this point. Are Repubs going to allow taxes on the vast majority of their constituents to go up? That is the only question we need to be addressing right now

  •  good (3+ / 0-)
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    sreeizzle2012, dewtx, nellgwen

    the economy will reach previous highs and continuing improving next year.

    they won't have a leg to stand on in 2014.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:41:46 AM PST

  •  What date does the House vote for the next (0+ / 0-)


    Do the parties first caucus. If so, when are the Republicans Up?

    Notice: This Comment © 2012 ROGNM

    by ROGNM on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:45:06 AM PST

  •  Maybe if Dems actually play some politics... (3+ / 0-)

    ...they won't get creamed in the mid-terms again this time.

    Our Fair City...a campy post-apocalyptic science fiction radio epic!

    by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:46:08 AM PST

  •  But they don't care, they're all-in for Koch et al (7+ / 0-)

    Whether the economy crashes or not, doesn't influence the R's. Witness Michigan, the people spoke clearly, but the R's don't give a damn.

    John Boehner (R-Tanistan) just yammered about "high taxes hurting small business" (which isn't true) but he's willing to dump us into another recession to save a couple of bucks per hundred that the most well off "small-business owners" should be paying.

    How many small businesses, that are currently on the edge, will be put out of business to save the Tan Man's friends? How much money will be lost in excess of the "extra" taxes demanded by the President?

    One party in America is now the tool of moneyed interests, and unfortunately that party holds the House of Representatives.

    •  Among the things they don't care about is the (1+ / 0-)
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      opinion of the American people not in their base, which means all this polling is basically a red herring for us, and an an irrelevancy to them. The disenfranchisement of voters being carried on in a lot of places and especially MI shold let you know what Rs think of the views of 'the people.'

  •  You left out the part that (2+ / 0-)
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    is bad news for the president -- that poll says that he would essentially share blame equally with Congress if no deal is reached.  

    That's the part that was the "headline" of that poll as far as some of the media is concerned.  

    It's not yet clear if that's an outlier, or if there is beginning to be some political risk to the President if no deal is reached.

    I think that if the President wants a deal, he will have to offer the Republicans significant entitlement reforms, of the magnitude that he put on the table in the summer of 2011.  If he does that, I suspect the Republicans will have no choice but to give him some tax rate increases (maybe starting higher than $250,000 so they can say they "protected small business").  There are too many Republicans saying publicly that they would agree to tax rate increases if it was matched by serious cuts that go into effect now.

    Of course, the President may well decide that he would rather no deal than put those cuts back on the table. This poll -- if it is not an outlier -- suggests that there may be political risk on both sides if that is what he decides to do.  

  •  Polls....Facts....History....Science....Bunk. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Re: those two other groups mentioned (0+ / 0-)
    And other than self-described Republicans and conservatives, just two other groups have a net positive view of the GOP: folks who live in rural America (39%/33%) and folks who live in the South (39%/38%), that’s it.
    Rural and southern Americans vote overwhelmingly Republican and conservative whether they self-describe that way or not, so it seems like they're re-sampling the same Republican population.
    •  A lot of conservatives in the South (3+ / 0-)
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      are registered Democrats.  That's changing a lot, but not completely.  That's a leftover from when the Southern Democratic Party was extremely conservative --opposed the Civil Rights laws in the 1960's, for example.  George Wallace was  a Democrat for most of his life, then an independent -- never a Republican   I wasn't a voter in the 60's, but I'm old enough to remember a time in Louisiana where the Democratic Primary was the "real" election, because the Democratic nominee was going to win.  When I registered to vote, there was no real choice about which party to put down -- if you registered as a Democrat, you could vote in the elections that counted (the primaries), but if you registered as Republican, your vote pretty much didn't count.  That stayed true for local races far longer than it did for state-wide or national races.

      Since the mid-80's (the "Reagan Democrat" era), that's changed a lot, and Republicans are more viable in local races, but there are still many people who are registered as Democrats who vote conservative.

  •  Actually, they've taken (3+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2, lostinamerica, Sarenth

    our lives hostage.  The mid-term elections will be crucial to getting our American community back on track by throwing the bums out and electing liberal, progressive people to office who will actually represent all Americans and not just their donors.

    being mindful and keepin' it real

    by Raggedy Ann on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:10:30 AM PST

  •  Sounds as if anyone is going over "the cliff" (0+ / 0-)

    Grover Norquist gets tossed first.

    Couldn't happen to a more deserving poopy-head.

    The dire straits facing America are not due poor people having too much money

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:31:00 AM PST

  •  Here is the problem.... (0+ / 0-)

    they don't care...

    "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

    by justmy2 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:35:29 AM PST

  •  just raise taxes on the wealthy already! (2+ / 0-)
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    mdmslle, dewtx

    after all, $800 billion over ten years is going to solve all our problems!

    just do it!

  •  maybe now the teabaggers can see: (3+ / 0-)

    it's not THEM the GOP has allegiance to. It's billionaires, plain and simple. And that they've been used like a bunch of whores.

    Nah. They're as blind as blind can be.

  •  A technical point: I wish Democrats would stop (2+ / 0-)
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    dewtx, DSPS owl

    saying they're fighting to reduce taxes for 98% of the public, it's on 100% of the public up to $250,000.

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:05:16 AM PST

  •  If this debacle of democracy goes on much longer, (1+ / 0-)
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    ... PPP should poll public opinion on those questions in the districts of 20 or so likely-leaning Republicans.

    Nationwide polls get the attention of the media or maybe some influencers. But they ain't worth much compared to "the folks back home."

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:11:10 AM PST

    •  Exactly! (0+ / 0-)

      People don't like Congress as a whole, but they're perfectly fine with their individual representative. That's  why I put little value on these polls about Congress.

      It's kinda like the national election polls vs. the individual polls of the "states that matter." That is where you find the real story, IMO.

  •  I hate those pictures of crying Boehner, (0+ / 0-)

    because it makes me want to give him a hug and tell him it will be okay.  ;~;  I don't know why it bothers me so much, I hate him, but... ARGH.  The tears, damnit.

  •  Unfortunately, GOP has strong position on debt (0+ / 0-)

    ceiling, according to one of the polls I saw yesterday.

    I think we should start thinking about how to frame that issue to help influence public opinion if Republicans decide to fold on taxes and then hold the debt ceiling hostage. Unfortunately, most Americans don't understand that the debt ceiling is just a secondary check on money that has already been appropriated, and to most people, the Republicans' argument makes sense: it's irresponsible to just keep raising our credit limit. And remember, most people think "the government spends too much" in the abstract, even if they oppose particular cuts. So we need to think about how we can help shape the narrative on that. I hope some Democratic superpacs or other groups are preparing ads to call out the GOP if they take the debt ceiling hostage...especially with McConnell's statement admitting that that is what they are going to do.

  •  I absolutely love that photo montage. (1+ / 0-)
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    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:28:28 AM PST

  •  Finally understand trickle down economics... (0+ / 0-)

    skipping over damaged area

    by Says Who on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:50:10 AM PST

  •  Where's that poll-unskewing guy (0+ / 0-)

    ...they need him again.

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 01:17:05 PM PST

  •  All polling needs to be by Congressional district (0+ / 0-)

    The Republicans' strategy for 2014 and 2016 is emerging.  It's based on gerrymandering and vote suppression.  Expect at least Ohio and Pennsylvania to do like Nebraska and Maine and have each Congressional district choose a Presidential elector.  Democrats have to find ways to tip some gerrymandered districts to have a chance at keeping our country out of the control of the greedy and the crazy.  

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