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I did a quick google search of best asction games 2000-2012. One answer on a gaming forum:

2000 = Soldier of Fortune, Deus Ex, Diablo II, C & C: Red Alert 2
2001 = Serious Sam: The First Encounter, Max Payne
2002 = Serious Sam: The Second Encounter, The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, Warcraft III, Grand Theft Auto III, Neverwinter Nights, Age of Mythology
2003 = Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, Homeworld 2, Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, Max Payne 2, Call of Duty, Knights of the Old Republic, Grand Theft Auto : Vice City
2004 = Far Cry, Doom 3, Warhammer 40k Dawn of War, Half-Life 2, World of Warcraft
2005 = Knights of the Old Republic II, Psychonauts, Warhammer 40k Dawn of War: Winter Assault, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, Age of Empires III, Call of Duty 2
2006 = The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Half-Life 2: Episode One, Titan Quest, Company of Heroes
2007 = World of Warcraft: TBC, Supreme Commander, Dirt, BioShock, World in Conflict, Portal, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Half-Life 2: Episode Two, C & C 3: Tiberium Wars, Team Fortress 2, Crysis
2008 = C & C 3: Kane's Wrath, Mass Effect, Dead Space, Fallout 3, World of Warcraft: WoTLK, Left 4 Dead, Grand Theft Auto IV
2009 = Warhammer 40k Dawn of War II, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Red Faction: Guerrilla, Borderlands, Torchlight, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Dirt 2, Left 4 Dead 2
2010 = Mass Effect 2, BioShock 2, Darksiders, Fallout: New Vegas
2011 = Magicka, Portal 2, Terraria, Limbo, Bastion, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Warhammer 40k Space Marine, Orcs Must Die, Batman: Arkham City, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, Saints Row: The Third, Star Wars: The Old Republic

I don't play video games. I wonder to what extent the gaming industry has been desensitizing our young people, or making them think that mayhem is "fun".

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  •  Tip Jar (1+ / 1-)
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  •  Thanks for bringing this up (0+ / 0-)

    Shooting is not a game.

    We should tax the makers of this filth at least enough to provide free burials for families who are the victims of gun violence. Time to make the connection.

    This song has been in my head all day.

    "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

    by greendem on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:05:45 PM PST

  •  Seems I read back in 2003 that the Army (1+ / 0-)
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    was installing slick video war games at their recruiting stations to lure young people in...

    So yeah....on some level there is a connection between violence as entertainment, and actualized violence.  

    Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

    by Keith930 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:09:33 PM PST

  •  come on. (1+ / 0-)
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    Lets not do this. Games have been the whipping boy for violent crime for entirely too long. For every study that says there may be some connection, there is another study that finds no connection.

    In order for someone to conflate a game with reality, they have to be a bit unhinged in the first place. Everyone I know why has gaming among their list of hobbies is a well adjusted adult fully capable of distinguishing fantasy from reality. A game is just an enjoyable pass time, a bit of escapism to take your mind off the stress of real life. I can't for the life of me understand why violence in games is so objectionable when it is never any worse than what you might see in a movie or read about in a book.

    I know we are are all looking for someone or something to blame today, but this isn't it, it never was it, and never will be it. Blame the shooter, blame our poor mental health care system, blame our ridiculously lax gun control, and blame the profiteers who stand in the way of reform with blood on their hands.

    PS: as far as your list goes, I'd say the violence involves actually lessons over time, and what violence their is in 90% of the games listed is an extremely unrealistic cartoony sort that could only be confused with reality by the most far gone of minds.

    "There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible." -Henry Ford

    by sixeight120bpm on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:13:41 PM PST

    •  An unhinged is exactly what we have (0+ / 0-)

      There are, unfortunately, a lot of "far gone minds" out there. I understand the point - but we seem to have a very high number of people who just aren't receiving a lot of balancing and varied kinds of ideas. And once they're of an age where they control the choosing (which can unfortunately be way before 18) and they start choosing games where killing is the scorecard, choosing these insane, relentless "serial-killer chic" TV shows (where the killer is brilliant, powerful... and also having a lot more FUN than the stooge cops) and they're choosing their own music about eating body parts (listen to "Cannibal Corpse" some time!) they're not likely to be open to redirection. Fixing the brain food is faster than repairing 50 million broken parents.

      •  thats fine (1+ / 0-)
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        and I don't even disagree, but there is no evidence based reason to single out video games. Especially when those particular kinds of games with glorified, realistic violence are not as common as the media likes to try to scare people with. Far and away the most common video games are either cooperative affairs where people work together to solve problems, or what essentially boils down to interactive books where the player has some power over where the story goes. Ultimately, the game is just another story-telling medium.

        Video game content is regulated and rated much like TV and movies. If we want to blame video games, then in order to be consistent, we need to blame all forms of entertainment equally. Games, TV, Movies, even books. I have read things in books that go WAY beyond anything that anyone would ever dare to put in any visual medium, but that's been happening for centuries. No one blamed Sherlock Holmes stories when Jack the Ripper was about town. (Maybe they did, I can find no evidence to support or refute that claim, if they DID, then it didn't have much of a lasting impact and my point stands.)

        I don't disagree with the point that if people are looking for it, there are some pretty awful things to get into. My only objection is to the singling out of one hobby because it is relatively new and poorly understood by those not actively participating. Unfortunately, I don't know that there is a fix for it short of extensive censorship, and I think that's generally a bad idea in principle.

        "There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible." -Henry Ford

        by sixeight120bpm on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:48:49 PM PST

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  •  Will you also list all the R-rated action movies (2+ / 0-)
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    since 2000?

  •  This is bullshit, and it's bullshit that needs to (1+ / 0-)
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    be shut down.

    Let's be clear. First it was movies and rock & roll, and video games have become the next scapegoat.

    The point is, human society is not more violent nowdays. Kids used to butcher each other with swords on battlefields. Human society, speed bumps aside, has become less violent, and blaming entertainment mediums is incredibly stupid.

    Shooting virtual characters is not equivalent to attending the Roman collesium while gladiators murder each other, or attending public hangings.

    "I don't play video games."

    So, you don't really get it. We don't need old people who don't know what they're talking about yammering like fools. We've got enough of that in Congress.

    Might as well blame Elvis and them darned kids music.

    You want to blame a really toxic, violence and hatred cocktail influencing modern American society? Let's talk about Christianity.

    •  HR abuse (0+ / 0-)

      This is a legitimate argument that deserves discussion.

      HR is saved for someone violating community standards.

      It should not be used because you disagree.
      Please remove.

      "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

      by greendem on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:36:55 PM PST

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      •  Nope. (1+ / 0-)
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        It's not a legitimate argument that deserves discussion. There is no correlation between video games and violence.

        It's demonization to push an agenda.

        So yeah ... I'm not removing it. :)

        This diary should be removed, actually. Then I'll get rid of the HR.

        This place is supposed to be reality based. Let's help keep it that way!

        •  go back to your joystick (1+ / 0-)
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          seems like the only people more thin skinned than the RKBA crowd are the videogamers.

          Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

          by Keith930 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:09:33 PM PST

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          •  if your hobby was the scapegoat.... (1+ / 0-)
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            every  time something bad happened, you'd want to push back too. The problem isn't games, it's unstable people with guns. blaming anything else only serves to distract from finding real solutions to real problems.

            "There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible." -Henry Ford

            by sixeight120bpm on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:12:17 PM PST

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            •  I guess we all need to think alike (1+ / 0-)
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              I brought up the video games issue after having a discussion about a number of things going on in our society with a few other old folks.

              We were sitting around in a court room waiting for the judge. A  deputy district attorney, a member of the juvenile department, a corrections officer and an old defense attorney.

              Lots of things were discussed relating to senseless violence. Some of us have been working with adolescents and young adults involved with the criminal justice system for over 30 years. I've been doing my job for 36 years.

              I have played video games. I don't play now.

              I have seen a lot of violence on TV and the movies. I watched some last night on the dvr.

              I've read some books with violence in them. Some fairly recently.

              I own some guns and shoot reasonably well.

              I think that at a certain level some people are adversely affected by violent video games. I think that some people are more susceptible to influences than others. I think some people act out in antisocial ways after seeing antisocial actions around them in many forms.

              Maybe talking about mental illness, or drug abuse, or improperly prescribed meds, or lack of adequate mental health screening and treatment, or glorified violence on the news, in the cinema or in video games is upsetting to some folks. I think a good discussion about many ills in our society leading to violence in any form is constructive.

              •  You're welcome to think that all you want. (0+ / 0-)

                But let's be clear. You "thinking" that means absolutely nothing. There is no evidence to back that up. What you call an "ill," is not classified by one with anyone familiar with the facts of the situation.

                Basically, demoninzing video games is a process that's not new. Superstitious and out of touch old people often demonize things they don't understand.

                On one level, the initial dislike of such things by people unfamiliar is a natural human reaction.

                Humans are often scared of the strange and new.

                But again, as there is no evidence to support your claim, and in fact ignoring the many positive attributes of video games, is exactly the same as "Reefer Madness" and "Movies make people crazy" and "Rock and roll music is from the devil."

                This is a free country, and we can all think and say pretty much whatever we want - I just jumped on this because it's completely lacking a factual basis, and I wouldn't want anyone ignorant about video games thinking it does have any factual basis. This is important, especially on a website/forum that prizes reality.

                Saying stuff with no factual basis shouldn't go unchallenged.

                Now, to be clear, when crazy or sadistic socipaths do something, they can incorporate things from popular media into their actions. But people like that have been killing people throughout history.

                Just because someone enacts something from some form of media doesnt' mean it was the media that caused it. All the media did was influence the style in which they did the deranged thing.

                Lemme throw down an example.

                If someone dresses up Jason from Friday the 13th and goes on a slashing spree, the assumping that the movie is the cause is a logical fallacy.

                It's advocating the premise that if Friday the 13th never existed, they wouldn't have slashed people up. Which is nothing short of ridiculous.

                And as any student of history could tell you, Jason's actions are tame in the human history of murder and physical abuse. Sadistic people, people not right in the head, or a combination of the two are the reason people do these horrible things.

                People have been murdering people since recorded time.

                So, again, by any rational examination of the facts, one has to conclude that  the fact that this person mimiced Friday the 13th is merely a skin applied to the action. It's window dressing for a massacre that was going to happen anyway.

                It doesn't matter what the person was wearing or what methods they used, because at the end of the day, this person is crazy/unstable/vile enough to want to kill a bunch of people. So they did. And they would have, even if that crappy slasher flick was never created.

                Speaking of horror movies, I think the movie Scream summed it up best:

        •  When companies in the future invent games (0+ / 0-)

          showing young men raping and leaving girls dead, will you consider that over the line?

          Games today teach that slaughtering people with high-powered weapons is a way to solve problems and get back at anyone you feel has wronged you. If parents let kids play these games they internalize these values.

          When 20 children are dead, I believe all potential sources of causation must be on the table.

          Try as you might, you will not shut this discussion down.

          I didn't know gamers were giant aholes like NRA members, but maybe they are.

          "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

          by greendem on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 09:12:43 AM PST

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