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 The idea that we can do something to prevent this from happening again is fantasyland. Even the idea that we can do something to make it less likely is dubious at best.

   On the left we must be rational in any political reaction to this tragedy. First if anyone is calling for handguns to be made illegal, that would be an asinine and utterly hopeless lost cause. It's some sort of desperate grasping for some grand final political victory over the right wing in the gun matter. It ain't ever going to happen. Period.

   What we are dealing with here is a human mind snapping in an environment where a negligent dimwit (alleged head of the household) had guns that were known about and easily accessible. And, unless they were a total moron (which is a distinct possibility), had to have at least suspected to some degree that there was a person present with some problems. I'd very much like to hear, and respond to, any legislative proposals to prevent this.

  Other than, of course, the hopeless making of guns illegal for everyone.



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  •  You know what really doesn't work ? (2+ / 0-)
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    indubitably, Loquatrix
    The idea that we can do something to prevent this from happening again is fantasyland. Even the idea that we can do something to make it less likely is dubious at best.

    Don't tell me it can't be done .

    Don't tell me it can't be done .

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:36:07 PM PST

  •  It Can't Be Done (1+ / 0-)
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  •  2012 Worst Year for Mass Shootings in 30 Years-- (3+ / 0-)
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    indubitably, slksfca, Loquatrix

    Study reported on NPR tonight. Defined as 4 or more victims, not counting the perps.

    There is no policy that can totally prevent any kind of crime or tragedy from ever happening. The object is to drive down the numbers, and we can't begin to know what would prevent "this" kind of event till we have more facts about this case.

    The shooter's name and age were only released 2 hours ago or so. We don't know if he swiped all the guns his mom registered and owned, or if she registered them so he could have them but wouldn't be known as the owner. Nothing known about mental health, family dynamics.

    We don't know almost anything yet.

    Nothing perfect can be done. Almost anything, generally-much-of-the-time, can be done.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:41:17 PM PST

  •  Other than (1+ / 0-)
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     Someone waving a magic wand making the hundreds of millions of existing guns disappear and then executing anyone who starts a new gun making factory.

  •  Probably The Best Antidote At This Point (1+ / 0-)
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      Is for all news media to not cover it non-stop for days and days and for the President not to speak about it.

       Which I would not favor.

  •  You're seriously trying to blame his mother? (0+ / 0-)

    She was the owner of the guns, so this is somehow her fault??  What a load of misogynist bullshit, scraping around for a woman to blame.

    This business of spamming comments in your own diary is lame, too.  Please endeavour to be less of an attitudinal noob if you must persist in posting diaries.

  •  Cheers for rationality (0+ / 0-)

    I highly recommed you try it.
    You are quite right in your first sentence. We cannot 100% prevent such things.
    You are equally, or more, wrong in your second sentence. We certainly can make it less likely.

    Nobody serious that I know of is calling for a ban of all guns, or all hand guns. There are ideas for better controlling who gets guns, under what circumstances, and how easily and readily they get them.

    " can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem." Mitt Romney

    by Catte Nappe on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:08:19 PM PST

  •  This Battle Was Lost A Long Time Ago. (1+ / 0-)
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     Here we are today, the country waist deep in guns..................GOOD LORD WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT LAWS CAN WE PASS.

  •  My dear HUGE, even though it would, (0+ / 0-)

    make some kind of logical sense
    to pass at least one law,
    or maybe a complex batch of laws,
    or maybe a Constitutional Amendment,
    or maybe have a new Constitutional Convention,
    and start again from scratch,
    and write a whole new Constitution,
    and scrap the old one,

    You are simply the closest
    to my thinking
    in what you have written here.

    My thinking goes like this:

    1.  How likely is it that anyone I know personally
    will ever be even injured,
    much less killed,
    in such an incident,
    compared to,
    for example,
    injury or death by motorcycle accidents?

    Or cancer?

    Or obesity related illnesses?

    The causes of tragedies
    that really hit home,
    in the lives of nearly everyone,
    should get more attention
    than 9/11/01,
    Oklahoma City,
    or other mass killings.

    When an event is in the news,
    and it makes the people feel intense emotional pain,
    it makes the people think
    it's the most important thing
    in the world.

    Whatever is most important,
    is most important,
    regardless of what just happened,
    most recently,
    or how it makes people feel.

    The actual percentage of humans affected
    by such things as mass killings
    is very tiny,
    it's not truly a high priority.

    That is my first point.

    2.  What,
    should we do about it,

    And that is your point.

    And I agree.

    You are probably wrong
    in thinking that there is no way
    to reduce the numbers
    of deaths
    from mass killings.

    But you didn't say,
    no way,
    you said,
    it's dubious.

    you asked for

    I agree with you
    on asking your readers
    for exactly that.

    I wonder if I'll find the time,
    and find the balls,
    to write a diary of my own,
    linked to yours,
    and supporting yours.


    thanks for writing.

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