Skip to main content

This footage shows the horrific, destructive power of such a weapon. And dramatically poses the question: What the fuck are these things doing in our society? Deer hunting? Hobby? Protection? Protection from what? Drone zombies?

http://www.theatlantic.com/...

Toward the end of the clip, we see an example of 'rapid fire.'

God protect us all. Collectively, as a People, God protect us from ourselves. Having worked in a busy ER at an urban hospital, stupidly carrying weapons closing businesses late at night, almost being shot by an accidental discharge from one of our own weapons, and raising 5 sons in 'gun culture'  enough of this shit. Enough.

If you live in a country for an extended period of time- a country without guns, you develop a sense of freedom and safety unlike anything before.. You actually feel it... and then you come home.

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  There a bunch of ignorant paranoid freaks who (5+ / 0-)

    think that should push come to shove, they will be able to take on the US Military and law enforcement to stop a tyrannical government.

    It is as ridiculous a belief as there is, but they sincerely believe they could defeat a company of marines with some guys who read soldier of fortune.

    •  however that is a broad brush which does not (0+ / 0-)

      apply to every gun owner.  While people are free to not own firearms, at the same time, there are lawabiding individuals who do choose to own firearms (disclaimer: I have held both FFL and explosives license from BATF in the past).

  •  Here is the penetration at 25 feet on metal plate (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    rb608, JimWilson, downtownLALife

    http://www.flickr.com/...

    This level of firepower takes away shelter.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:46:05 AM PST

    •  I think the plate is aluminum; note the .223 holes (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      crystal eyes

      are clean and crisp.  This was the ammunition used on the Newtown children.  I'd also refer to the shock wave caused by this ammunition and it's devastating effect on the human body, but that would be a bit too horrific.

      ----- GOP found drowned in Grover Norquist's bathtub.

      When it all goes wrong, hippies and engineers will save us. -- Reggie Watts

      by JimWilson on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:58:36 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  the .223 in that video has apparently been (0+ / 0-)

    converted to full auto.  While it is now legal to own a factory machine gun (which is what a full auto is), I think it is still illegal to convert a semi auto to a full auto.

    In any case the weapon used in the video (since I cannot find if Bushmaster is available from the factory in full auto) is equivalent to an M-16A.  The .223 available in Walmart is not the same gun as the one in the video.  

    •  Can you convert a bolt action hunting rifle (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      profewalt, quill

      to full auto?

      I don't think so, so why would anyone need an AR 15 or AK 47 for legitimate purposes.

      You want to hunt, you don't need a 30 round mag. If you miss on the first shot, the target wins.

    •  You can't buy an automatic without a permit from (0+ / 0-)

      BATF and those are highly restricted.  It is illegal to convert a semi-automatic to full automatic.

      That certainly looks to me like it has been converted.  I've fired one of those and it certainly would not do what the weapon in the video did.  A semi-automatic requires a trigger pull for each round.

      •  It certainly looks like (0+ / 0-)

        there was a trigger pull for each round in that video. Am I missing something?

        •  There was a recall on those rifles in 2010 because (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          phonegery

          they were malfunctioning and allowing multiple rounds on a single trigger pull.

          Toward the end of that video, when he picked the rifle up, it sure looked and sounded to me that there were multiple rounds being fired from a single trigger pull.

          http://www.firearmstalk.com/...

          •  Then we're not watching (0+ / 0-)

            the same video. In the video I'm watching over and over again, I see and hear one round per trigger pull.

          •  that is how it seems to me; it seems to mimic (0+ / 0-)

            what I would expect from an M-16 set on "rock 'n roll"

            BTW thanks for the info on current regs for full auto and converting semis.  It has been some years since I have had an FFL and BATF regs are subject to change; however I thought it was illegal to convert a semi auto to full auto still and that you needed a BATF permit to own a factory produced full auto (it used to be an FFL I think;my memory is not what it used to be)  

  •  It gets far, far worse (0+ / 0-)

    A simple modification, something called a bump stock or slide stock, allows damn near fully automatic firing of most popular semi-automatic rifles like AR15s and AK47s.  Legally sold and fairly inexpensive, a couple of hundred dollars gets you the bump stock and a letter written to the manufacturer of the stock from ATF, (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) declaring that is, in fact, legal to own.

    Life on two wheels is life in balance

    by YaNevaNo on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:11:19 AM PST

  •  It is illegal to own ied's (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    profewalt, Agathena, quill

    It is illegal to own IED's and other explosive devicess  They are weapons of mass destruction by definition.

    Why are these multiple shot, auto or semi-auto, large magazined military grade arms not classified as WMD's...weapons of mass destruction?

    We all need to frame this conversation in a context that get's people's attention.

    These arms are not designed for hunting or self defense...they are, plain and simple, military grade arms designed to kill rapidly and in large numbers.  If you want access to play with military grade arms you should enlist in the reserves.

    NO ONE outside of the military needs access to arms of this type.  They are WMD's.

    Pass it on.

    I am a 67 year old teacher...teaching computer applications in a Texas high school. I've already retired once but it didn't take.

    by 43yearsateacher on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:17:04 AM PST

    •  Exaggeration gets us no where. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Jon Says

      In fact, it gets us deservedly, laughed at using such hyperbole.  These are not WMD.  

      "So what if a guy threw a shoe at me!"

      by FoodChillinMFr on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 07:29:32 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Hyperbole? (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        quill

        20 kids dead in a matter of a very few moments is not hyperbole...it is fact.  There is very little difference between killing kids with a bomb in a classroom and killing a classful of kids while blocking a doorway.

        Either is an atrocity.

        I am a 67 year old teacher...teaching computer applications in a Texas high school. I've already retired once but it didn't take.

        by 43yearsateacher on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 09:22:13 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  He didn't need the assault rifle. (0+ / 0-)

          A handgun with extra clips would have done just as effective job.  

          Our society is sick.  That's what's being ignored.

          Why not call the AR-15 a scary space monster.  A single scary space monster might kill off 20 kids in a session, not scores of thousands ala WMD (nuke/chem/bio).

          You'd look more rational with the scary space monster bit.

          "So what if a guy threw a shoe at me!"

          by FoodChillinMFr on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:27:19 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  My point exactly... (0+ / 0-)

            These arms are scary space monsters and just as deadly as WMD's.  Automatic, semi-automatic, big clips, multiple clips, banana clips...all of these are appropriate only for military use...weapons designed to kill humans in quantity.

            I used to belong to the NRA, myself, years ago before they went batshit crazy, with the tinfoil hats and black helicopters.  Arms for hunting I do not have a problem with...I have some myself as did my father and my son...and yes, they can still be misused...but not to the extent that a semi-auto with multiple clips can.  

            License, regulate, and police how the arms are bought, sold, stored and used...just like cars, airplanes, etc.  

            Most of these WMD arms should be limited to police or military use.

            I am a 67 year old teacher...teaching computer applications in a Texas high school. I've already retired once but it didn't take.

            by 43yearsateacher on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 02:12:29 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  I wish I had one (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    hulibow, norbalish

    I understand the desire to own one.  Even as I call it deranged, I totally understand.  I don't know about y'all, but I have a lot of if-wishes-were-fishes moments and they're not all good for me or for society.  Owning one of these, or anything close, is one of them and it's up to government to tell me I can't do it.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:25:22 AM PST

    •  Not meant as an assohole comment (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Rich in PA, norbalish

      at all, but for what? What would do with it? Why would it make you happy to own? My husband has a gun to hunt birds - he likes it because he likes hunting. I am interested to know what the attraction is to an assault rifle.

      I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

      by hulibow on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:53:56 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  No, it's a fine comment and totally to the point. (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        hulibow, 84thProblem, norbalish

        Not for any utilitarian reason at all.  I am attracted to its destructive power.  The reality is that many people are.  The problem is that such attraction goes, if not hand-in-glove, at least mildly correlated to the fantasy of actually destroying.  You can't change people, so it's the role of government to say no.

        Government is in large part there to recognize our failings as individuals and to limit the damage those failings might cause.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:58:55 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Bruch Cockburn can make my case in song. (0+ / 0-)

          You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

          by Rich in PA on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 07:02:41 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Rich in PA

          It makes me think of a scene in the movie Big when Tom Hanks, playing a boy in a man's body, is analyzing a transformer toy that changes from a giant spider or something into a building. He says it's not a fun toy, because what is a building for, what does it do? I feel the same way about these types of guns - the only thing they "do" is rapidly destroy. I feel very disconnected from destruction as enjoyment - it seems like a very angry thing to do & I don't particularly like feeling anger.

          I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

          by hulibow on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 07:21:22 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  But there's a lot of it about. (0+ / 0-)

            One school of thought is that we should work to make people less angry.  I think that's futile, and the attempt would be far more abusive of our liberties that merely restricting what kinds of guns we can own.

            You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

            by Rich in PA on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 07:25:39 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  People like them because they look mean. (0+ / 0-)

        Unless they have been illegally converted to full automatic they are pretty much the same as any other rifle.  The capacity of the magazine is important as is the characteristics of the ammunition that can be used.

  •  These black semi-automatic firearms are just (0+ / 0-)

    dressed up to look mean and threatening.  Off the shelf and unaltered they are no more a threat than any other semi-automatic rifle or handgun.

    It is illegal to convert any firearm from semi-automatic to full automatic.

    Here is a description of .223 ammunition.  Note that it is generally the same SIZE as NATO standard....but, and this is important, different configurations of this size ammunition (as is the case for all sizes) can be radically different in characteristics.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    Here's a Ruger semi auto .223 rifle

    http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/...

    There is much arcane technical detail about guns and ammunition available on the web.

  •  Connecticut (0+ / 0-)

    already has the assault weapon ban.

  •  I fired an AR-15 (0+ / 0-)

    I got to shoot one at the rifle range.  

    I hadn't shot a gun in years and was invited to the rifle range to shoot.  The young man had an AR-15, and we spent a couple of hours shooting.

    While I will never go out and buy one, I have to say, it did invoke a feeling of power getting to use it.  After watching them in the movies, and always wondering what it felt like, I have to admit, I enjoyed it.

    The recoil was not as bad as a shotgun.  The noise was pretty loud, tho.

    So while I realize there is no need to own one, I do understand why some people want to.  

    If you want to know the real answer: Just ask a Mom.

    by tacklelady on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 08:36:43 AM PST

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site