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U.S. President Barack Obama speaks about the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, during a press briefing at the White House in Washington December 14, 2012. A heavily armed gunman opened fire on school children and staff at a
President Barack Obama and members of Congress are moving from the immediate but vague "we've got to change something" response to the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School toward some more concrete policy proposals. While the proposals start with bringing back the assault weapons ban, they don't stop there:
“[President Obama] is actively supportive of, for example, Senator Feinstein’s stated intent to revive a piece of legislation that would reinstate the assault weapons ban,” White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters, publicly backing for the first time legislation Feinstein plans to introduce. The White House had previously been reluctant to publicly named any specific action it might support in an effort to prevent future massacres.

“[The President] supports—and would support legislation that addresses the problem of the so-called gun show loophole, and there are other elements of gun law—gun legislation that he could support,” Carney said. “People have talked about high- capacity ammunition clips, for example, and that is something, certainly, that he would be interested in looking at,” he added.

Greg Sargent reports that Senate Democrats, too, aren't expecting to stop with just the assault weapons ban:
“This is likely to be part of a package of proposals,” Senator Dick Durbin told me, in a reference to the assault weapons ban, adding that Dems would consider including other ideas like limiting high capacity magazine clips, beefing up background checks, expanding mental health services, and looking at violence in movies and video games. He said action was likely “early next year.”
Durbin told Sargent that he was hoping to get a significant number of Republican votes in the Senate, which seems optimistic (better do filibuster reform as a backup measure there). Then, even if the bills pass the Senate, House Republicans are likely to stand in the way. So even with the horror of what happened Friday, change will be hard-fought.

Originally posted to Laura Clawson on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:55 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  RE: (14+ / 0-)
    House Republicans are likely to stand in the way. So even with the horror of what happened Friday, change will be hard-fought.
    Then let them defend that vote in 2014.  The people are pissed!

    The more you learn the less you know.

    by quiet in NC on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:03:26 PM PST

    •  I Was About to Say That It's a Long Time to Keep (4+ / 0-)
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      plok, bigforkgirl, belle1, Matt Z

      the memory of Friday in voters' minds; but then that's not necessary, we have mass shootings once or more a year.

      Just this April there was one at a Christian college in California.

      It just may be possible for the people to remain pissed for 2014.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:13:31 PM PST

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      •  I hope that they can remain pissed (1+ / 0-)
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        Matt Z

        without more bloodshed.

        If memories do fade, than we have some work to do to refresh their memories.

        I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

        by Wayward Wind on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:36:37 PM PST

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      •  I'm never going to lose the images (2+ / 0-)
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        jaywillie, bigforkgirl

        of the children. I keep looking at my own girls and wonder how they would have behaved. My oldest would have frozen in place while he killed her. And this image of frozen terrified children is haunting.

        And you're right. As bad as this is, it will actually get worse. And it will be solely because of the actions of the NRA and their desire to keep weapons of mass destruction on the streets. No different than a third world shithole.

        The child of an NRA gun nut slaughtered the children.

        by plok on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:40:35 PM PST

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    •  quiet in NC - I think the GOP would be (2+ / 0-)
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      ssgbryan, bigforkgirl

      pleased to have the midterm focus be on gun control. That's an issue where they have a passionate army that will come out and vote themselves and drive an effective GOTV effort. Remember the 2014 campaign is well over a year away.

      That being said, I think there is a high possibility the Feinstein legislation will pass the Senate and has a chance in the House. On MTP on Sunday Senator Feinstein stated that her bill will include a ban on new assault weapons and high capacity gun clips, close the gun show loopholes and improve the background check system.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:15:52 PM PST

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      •  What I meant is let the pro-gun pubs... (3+ / 0-)
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        jaywillie, redding888, belle1

        worry about their re-election while they are making their vote next month.  People are not going to forget this before that vote comes up--I really believe the tide has turned on public opinion.

        The more you learn the less you know.

        by quiet in NC on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:24:21 PM PST

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      •  Wht not the high capacity gun clips tomorrow, (0+ / 0-)

        or the next day?  Why wait on that?  Tie it to the violence that Republicans are doing to the country holding the middle class hostage to their desire to cut social security and give the rich their extension of the Bush tax cut?  The time is now.  People are calling their representatives today.  The one I have in Tahoe City, and east Sacramento, McClintock, is completely silent as he has been overwhelmingly pro-gun.  He needs everyone's calls and letters now.  I have called and written. Let's get something done now and finish it later.

        Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. George Orwell

        by 6079SmithW on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:48:11 PM PST

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        •  6079SW - Congress is on the tale end (1+ / 0-)
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          of the lame duck session with the focus on the fiscal cliff. They aren't going to work on gun control until they return to start the 113th Congress in January. They won't be looking at piecemeal legislation, but rather a more comprehensive bill like the bill Sen Feinstein is proposing. Her bill includes banning large capacity magazines.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:21:55 PM PST

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    •  Agree. This brings to mind the line from Michael (1+ / 0-)
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      bigforkgirl

      Moore's movie Sicko: in America the people fear the government, while in France the government fears the people.  Let's give the Republicans a taste of being a French politician.

    •  Sad (1+ / 0-)
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      hester

      These politicians are more afraid of the NRA than the American voter.

  •  A lot of this ... (3+ / 0-)
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    ssgbryan, democrattotheend, jazzence

    ... feels like long-standing stuff Dems have wanted, but not necessarily related to Aurora and Newtown. Tell me what's in the mix that might have prevented those tragedies.

    •  Clips, assault rifles, we don't know how she... (11+ / 0-)

      bought those guns yet, so maybe gun show loopholes, mental health treatment.  Pretty much everything.

      The more you learn the less you know.

      by quiet in NC on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:30:09 PM PST

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    •  Probably nothing would have prevented Newtown. (6+ / 0-)

      Licensed gun owner, pretty standard guns, kid was very sick but his family could afford mental health care. But there are other murders that could have been prevented by some restrictions. For example, Columbine killers used the gun show loophole.

      •  Are you saying that the Bushmaster is a (3+ / 0-)
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        Pretty standard gun?  Huh?  How about if the high capacity clips were prohibited?  What if the ammunition he used was prohibited?  What if the gun itself was prohibited?

        The kid who shot up a high school in CA only had 10 capacity clips.  When he stopped to reload, he was taken down.

      •  Being "licensed" (2+ / 0-)
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        FG, Green Onions

        doesn't mean much when what everyone is "licensed" to is weapons meant to kill many, and fast, before anyone can respond.

        You tell me these were "pretty standard guns."  And I want to SCREAM, that's just the problem.  We're talking semi automatic weapons in the homes of America, and you call that standard.  You want that to be our new normal.

        Well, I DO NOT.  And I really deplore your idea that "nothing could have prevented Newtown." And I will not even look at the six who rec'd your comment, because I don't want to be six times as angry as I am by your statement.

        It's true, we won't be able to stop these tragedies for some time to come, no matter what we legislate tomorrow.  Fact is, this country if floating in "weapons of mass destruction," due to our terrible denial of what should have been clear years ago.

        I could just puke at your idea that we were helpless to prevent Newtown. We. Were. Not. Helpless. nWe made mistakes. We looked the other way. We thought it would all work out and go away.

        But it did not, it has not, and every day, our country suffers for it.

        Again, don't freaking tell me Newtown had to happen, as if it was written on the stars, and we the responsible citizens of this country, couldn't have done better.

        We could have done better.  And if we had, maybe those 20 children would be alive to see what was under the Christmas tree for them.

        "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

        by StellaRay on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:12:17 PM PST

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      •  If most of that woman's guns had been (0+ / 0-)

        locked up properly in a licensed facility, it may well have prevented Newtown, or at least made it much harder to kill so many people so quickly.

        For most people who want to defend themselves, a handgun in one's home and on one's person should be adequate.  The others could be stored securely down at the shooting range.

    •  Maybe wouldn't have prevented this crime-- (2+ / 0-)
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      Miggles, lirtydies

      But does that mean we shouldn't try to stop future massacres???

  •  Gun owner accountability is all that works (7+ / 0-)

    Mandatory liability insurance for gun owners. Nobody can anal-probe every little detail of your life like the insurance industry can.

    Mandatory felony charges for the owner of a gun used in the commission of a crime.

    Everything else is useless window dressing. NOW they're going to address gun supply, while there are 300 million guns already floating out there? That horse left the barn 40 years ago.

    (-2.38, -3.28) Independent thinker

    by TrueBlueDem on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:17:02 PM PST

  •  Well if we want a few Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    To vote for gun control,and face we need them to, then Obama needs to be against it.

    The 47% also "pay all the taxes that are legally required and not a dollar more" but when Romney does it he thinks it's a virtue, while when they do it, he thinks they are deadbeats.

    by jsfox on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:24:16 PM PST

  •  violence in movies and video games (8+ / 0-)

    because all those democratic developed nations don't watch violent movies or play violent games. or something. more realistically, they might want to consider the violence in our approach to so much of the world.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:24:28 PM PST

  •  Perhaps this man can find something to (0+ / 0-)

    truly believe in, this time around.

    I didn't vote for him in November.  He seems to have no anchor, something that really binds him to an issue.

    But if he can find the courage and wherewithal to fight for children not being shot down in classrooms, I might give him a pass.

    Be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man; we shall this day light such a candle by God's grace in England as shall never be put out.

    by Bollox Ref on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:25:49 PM PST

  •  Sure, and Obama also said Social Security was (2+ / 0-)
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    dallasdunlap, Eric Stratton

    off the table in "fiscal cliff" negotiations.  So, I should believe him now on supporting new gun laws?  Fuck him.  

  •  Some regulation is needed with this Right... (2+ / 0-)
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    Miggles, jaywillie

    As there are with other Rights, such as Free Speech.  For the General Welfare.

  •  Early next year? (1+ / 0-)
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    Miggles

    Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre April 28, 1996 began to work on legislation right away and by May 10 reached an agreement. TWELVE days later.
     

    By May 10, all state and territory ministers had agreed to heavily restrict the ownership and use of self-loading rifles, self-loading and pump-action shotguns. A gun buy-back scheme was initiated, funded by a temporary increase in the Medicare levy. Some 643,000 firearms were handed in at a cost of $350 million.
    Australia has not had another gun massacre since. Their immediate decisive action could be used as a model in spite of the vast differences in countries and cultures.

    ❧To thine ownself be true

    by Agathena on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:29:17 PM PST

  •  We have to be prepared with a PLAN B... (4+ / 0-)
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    Miggles, bigforkgirl, lirtydies, belle1

    ...since it is dubious at best that a full ban on assault weapons will become law.  

    My idea for "Plan B" is "death by a thousand paper cuts"...meaning we take a page from the anti-choice movement and throw up a ton of small roadblocks that will make selling and buying guns and ammo difficult.

    For example, taking a page from the anti-choice movement's success in getting legislation passed requiring unnecessary ultrasounds prior to pregnancy termination, let's require that anyone seeking to purchase a gun must obtain a letter from a board certified psychiatrist attesting to his/her mental state.

    Then, let's require gun shop owners to have a security guard present during all hours of operation.

    Then, let's require gun buyers to purchase $1million worth of casualty insurance.

    ETC ETC ETC

  •  Looking at violence in movies and video games? (5+ / 0-)

    What a gigantic waste of time - that's not the role of Congress.

    "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

    by Shane Hensinger on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:30:31 PM PST

  •  Any Bill (1+ / 0-)
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     With any teeth at all will be rejected by House republicans. We will have to negotiate away anything like gun show loophole in order to get 30 out of 900 similar type of weapons be banned.

      The entrie thing is a fucking emabrrassment.

  •  Fat chance. (0+ / 0-)

    No Red State Dem, Conservative Dem or any with national aspirations will vote for anything of substance  Manchin, Tester, Baucus, Heitkamp, Donnelly, Pryor, Landrieu, Begich, McCaskill, Hagan, Rockefeller, Casey, Warner, Kaine etc nor will any Dems who have national aspirations.  Dems won't get 35 votes in the Senate because these folks wouldn't pass anything meaningful and won't vote for anything symbolic because it's would be pointless and they'd still get attacked for it by the NRA their next campaign.  

    The NRA is the Gun Manufacturer Lobby. Nothing more. Their pontification about the second amendment is nothing more than their ad jingle. They're the domestic version of the Military Industrial Complex.

    by Jacoby Jonze on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:31:54 PM PST

    •  Possibly true (1+ / 0-)
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      Kentucky DeanDemocrat

      In one or two cases, I have to wonder why they'd even give a crap about the NRA anymore.

      Look at Casey. I don't expect him to vote for anything like this mind you, but also keep in mind that he spent years voting against gun control, and what did he get out of it? In the last election, the NRA still attacked him, gave him a crud rating (by counting a vote in favor of the DISCLOSE Act, which has NOTHING to do with guns, btw) and dumped money into his opponent's campaign.

      Fat load of good it did the NRA, and if I were in Casey's place, I'd be seriously considering telling them what they can go do with themselves, given how the last election played out.

  •  GOP sure are quite. (1+ / 0-)
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    Couldn't help but notice that except for loons like Rick Perry and Mike Huckabee the Republicans have been very silent.Even camera loving John McCain.I know they along with the NRA will wait this out then unload a barrage of pro- gun propaganda on the country.We need to be ready.What these poor children went through because of this black hearted murderer thanks to his careless mother who pretty much handed him the assault weapon shouldn't be forgotten.

  •  Whu... Seriously? (0+ / 0-)

    You're gonna spread the blame on this one when it's very clear...

    You know what?  

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:34:05 PM PST

  •  I'm getting more and more angry (5+ / 0-)

    with statements from the gun fetishists. Today I'm hearing about million(s) dollar budget increases to defend schools with armed security. This idea on it's own it preposterous, but the fact that the NRA shills could suggest this without having the decency to pay for it is absurd.

    This fight is just beginning.

    The child of an NRA gun nut slaughtered the children.

    by plok on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:37:18 PM PST

  •  And make it retroactive (0+ / 0-)

    "It strikes me as gruesome and comical that in our culture we have an expectation that a man can always solve his problems" - Kurt Vonnegut

    by jazzence on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:37:57 PM PST

  •  Until they go back to flailing in the (0+ / 0-)

    quicksand pretending that they are trapped and unable to do anything ever, at all -- because, you know, the NRA and Republicans.

    Democrats are becoming so damn tiresome and appearing to be so damn happy to be ineffective on any and all important fronts.

  •  Suggestion: About that 2nd Amendment thing (3+ / 0-)
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    bigforkgirl, lirtydies, RJDixon74135

    Let's interpret it strictly, like the founding fathers meant it.

    The government shall do nothing to restrict the rights of Americans to keep and bear muzzle loading flintlocks. If there's no right to privacy in the Constitution, I find it hard to believe there's anything about assault weapons or high capacity magazines either.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:41:39 PM PST

    •  Repeal the goddamn amendment. (1+ / 0-)
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      hester

      Let's be the ones moving the Overton window for awhile.

    •  It HAS been interpreted by th official interpreter (0+ / 0-)

      of Constitutional issues: SCOTUS.

      Something tells me you're only a strict constructionist/originalist when it comes to this issue, and do not believe we should return to the good old days when women and black people couldn't vote, those heady days before Miranda, Griswold, Brown v. Board of Education, Roe v. Wade, Sebelius, etc. Just a guess.

      YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

      by raincrow on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:49:13 PM PST

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  •  I'll wait til I can read the fine print (0+ / 0-)

    especially if Dick Durbin is pimping it.

    Show me the bill and I'll tell you if its good enough.

    Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

    by Betty Pinson on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:43:03 PM PST

  •  They should include (5+ / 0-)

    Kirsten Gillibrand's bill,the Gun Trafficking Prevention Act, S. 1973. It would make it easier to track down illegal weapons and prosecute traffickers. That's the source of many of the guns used in crimes, drive-by shootings, and gang violence in cities -- all those shootings and murders so common they are not newsworthy enough to make the national news.

  •  Gun Ownership Reform (0+ / 0-)

    Let's take a cue from the global warmining deniers, who in an ultimately ironic move, spent a considerable amount of money to euphemistically "rebrand" the issue (i.e. climate change).

  •  Don't forget the straw-man purchases (1+ / 0-)
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    While deeper background checks would be welcome, that won't do much to combat the problem on its own. I'm not well versed on the subject, but I recall countless stories about individuals buying weapons for others who cannot buy them.

    I'm all in favor of banning high-capacity clips. If you can't outlaw existing weapons, you can ban the manufacture and sale of ammunition. Yes, I know the gun nuts would stock up to the rafters ahead of any ban. But stopping the steady supply of ammo outright will eventually make the semi-automatic little more than the marlin on the wall in the man cave.

    And without a doubt, mental health services must be in place and much more accessible to those who desperately need it.

    Please, Dems, don't back down on this issue. Not now.

  •  We need a massive buy back (3+ / 0-)
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    coneyislandkid, AnnieWest, hester

    Funded by taxes on guns.  We have to reduce the number of guns

    Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

    by Mindful Nature on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:50:24 PM PST

  •  Allow assault rifles only at gun ranges. (0+ / 0-)

     If people get such a  thrill about shooting off high powered, multi-bullet guns, make it like race car courses and confine them to gun ranges.  Allow people to own their own guns, but the guns must be secured at the gun range before the person leaves.  Non gun owners can rent guns while there, but can only rent guns at the licensed gun ranges.
      I'm so tired of the "I shouldn't be blamed for another gun owner going on a rampage" excuse by these hyper "my freedom" fanatics.  I'm expected to follow traffic signal and speed limit laws that infringe on my "freedoms."  Why do they get to have exceptions for machines that kill more people in seconds than I ever might in an auto accident?  

    My Karma just ran over your Dogma

    by FoundingFatherDAR on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:51:53 PM PST

    •  Why allow them at all? (2+ / 0-)
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      51percent, hester

      They shoud not be available for purchase. Even sales from individual to individual should be outlawed. They should not be manufactured in the United States and they should be illegal to import.

      Too hard, too expensive to monitor? Look at the time and money that gets spent monitoring the sale of an illegal weed that grows wild all over Kansas? Why not take all that energy and $$ and divert it gun control?

      “Social Security has nothing to do with balancing a budget or erasing or lowering the deficit.” -- Ronald Reagan, 1984 debate with Walter Mondale

      by RJDixon74135 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:23:53 PM PST

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  •  Video Games (1+ / 0-)
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    salamanderempress

    Seriously, video games? Christ on a cracker, I thought we were over that crap. How about we investigate the contributions of that Rock & Roll devil music? I don't like the look of those ragamuffin Beatles, they're corrupting the youth!

  •  Violence in movies and video games? (1+ / 0-)
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    Shane Hensinger

    That is bullshit. Other countries have the same movies and video games and they don't have the rates of gun crime as we do.
       The problem is guns.

    •  Excellent point. Hell, look at Japan (0+ / 0-)

      Given how graphically violent some of their pop culture is, they should be mass-slaughtering each other in bloodbaths resembling the climax of Kill Bill Vol. I every day. And yet gun violence there is virtually non-existent. I wonder why? ;)

      •  I'm assuming if we lost a war and were not allowed (0+ / 0-)

        to have weapons and we had a monoculture, guns wouldn't be a big deal.

        But, we aren't.

        •  So our ethnic and religious diversity is the issue (0+ / 0-)

          How did you arrive at your conclusion?

          "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

          by Shane Hensinger on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:04:11 PM PST

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          •  We have a different identity than the Japanese. (0+ / 0-)

            We are mostly immigrants.  They are not.

            They've had a society built on honor and duty that is over a thousand years old.  Ours (you know the answer).

            There are many more differences.  It's applicable to many identifiable cultures where a comparison can be drawn.

            Brits have a lower murder rate but a worse crime rate.  2nd worse in Europe.

            Mexico is right next door.  Strong gun control laws.  twice the number of homicides.

            Difficult to think of America outside of America...at least that's my take.

            Doesn't mean I don't believe we should strengthen gun control.  Look at my other comments on this diary.

  •  Wet concrete appears to have the (0+ / 0-)

    potential to harden until it ultimately turns out to be quicksand.

    The Democrats will do nothing.

    They will also offer crocodile tears when they fail to do anything to effect change.

    Mark my words.

    Obama wants a grand bargain.

    He won't hesitate to give people's lives to maintain his status as the king of the grand bargain.

    That was made clear today.

  •  Speaking of the NRA...What if they've watched old (0+ / 0-)

    Oprah Winfrey shows and decided that their contribution to Americans "safety" is (wait for it)

    You get a gun, and you get a gun, and you get a gun. Everybody gets a free gun. (Of course, you have to buy your own ammunition).

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:08:21 PM PST

  •  SO I found a site online selling AK47s (0+ / 0-)

    and registered, put an AK47 in my shopping cart and went so far as commit to buy-w/a cc card.
    Nothing about a background check.
    Anyone can do this? A terrorist? A angry ex-husband?

    My eyes are opened even more ...

    http://www.gunsamerica.com/...

    Women are 51% of the population yet are represented in congress by barely 17%! Until our representation reflects the population, we risk sliding backwards .....

    by 51percent on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:08:40 PM PST

  •  The NRA will make a statement Friday (1+ / 0-)
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    gosoxataboy

    HOLY SHIT, MAYBE THE WORLD REALLY IS GOING TO END ON DEC. 21ST!

    YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

    by raincrow on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:20:18 PM PST

  •  all good ideas (0+ / 0-)
    “This is likely to be part of a package of proposals,” Senator Dick Durbin told me, in a reference to the assault weapons ban, adding that Dems would consider including other ideas like limiting high capacity magazine clips, beefing up background checks, expanding mental health services, and looking at violence in movies and video games. He said action was likely “early next year.”

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:32:30 PM PST

  •  how about (1+ / 0-)
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    Boris49

    the suggestion I've seen elsewhere:
    ban advertising of firearms and ammunition.
    It's helped with tobacco use.
    It looks minor as an action, but it could be passed without a lot of argument, and it hits the gun shows and the dealers.

    (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

    by PJEvans on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:36:30 PM PST

  •  Gun show loophole, yes. Hi-cap magazines, yes. (0+ / 0-)

    Assault weapons ban, yes...but it needs to be tightened up better than the last time.  Way too many exceptions.  It really didn't slow things down much.

  •  If it was me, I'd raise the purchase age to 35. (0+ / 0-)

    military, police and veterans excepted.

  •  Total dead in America (0+ / 0-)

    due to gunshot wounds in 2003, when the last assault weapons ban was in place?

    30,136

    While it's a good first step it certainly won't stop mass shootings, it won't really slow the endless flood of dead kids, etc.

    If we walk away after this is passed and think we've solved any problem in a meaningful way, we're lying to ourselves.

    If Obama, and you are serious about this issue, then an assault weapons ban, and all these other tweaks to exist laws, are just close to meaningless; you need to expect and demand more.

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