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Republicans are demanding cuts in SS, Medicare and Medicaid and the moment Democrats begin to consider compromising on the issue, all citizens, Republican and Democrat alike, start the Democratic blame game.

I myself will blame them if these cuts occur.  Not because they make the cuts, I will continue to blame the real culprit, Republicans, but I will blame them for being the cowards they are.

Watching Boehner today, I saw the gloating in his eyes and the triumph in his voice.

Republicans will be getting nearly everything they want, including cuts to the very programs American voters voted against, but will receive none of the blame.

Everyone will blame it on Democrats once again.

It's so utterly astounding to watch it occur again and again.  Are Democrats so utterly defeated that they will take this type of beating just for appearance sake?  

The saying "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is akin to this mentality.

Doctors, hospitals, patients and the general public actually believe that every Medicare cut is the Democrats fault when it's not.

'Republicans don't cut entitlements, Democrats cut entitlements' is what people say every day in the health care world.

It's already begun.  The President is already being blamed for SS cuts and Pelosi is right there defending his compromises.

Boehner is being heralded by every news outlet I watched tonight as the protagonist and Democrats are being viewed as the antagonists.  Boehner actually managed to turn the tables on the rhetoric.

Lawrence Odonnell said, "Nancy Pelosi sees a victory just in Bohner's offering of a plan B"

Republicans cause the damage, hand that damage off to Democrats, then Democrats are forced to sacrifice the Democrat's programs rather than any Republican programs.

Republicans haven't seen any of their programs being targeted, not a one.  It's truly amazing.

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  •  I Think What You Saw In Boener's Eye Was Fear... (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, LordMike, markthshark

    Did you happen to notice Eric Cantor sharpening his incisors in the background?  He was right over Boehner's left shoulder.  Some would say....breathing down his neck.

    Cantor wants Boehner's job.  They both know it.  It's his if Boehner accepts a tax hike, that's why he's stalling w/ his ridiculous "Plan B".  A new Speaker is elected January 3rd.

    Boehner has to do the kabuki.  

    •  Excuse....Make That Boehner's Eye (2+ / 0-)
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      JeffW, markthshark
      •  One Eyed Boner (1+ / 0-)
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        The Republican Party is Simply a Coalition of Greed and Hate

        by kerplunk on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:44:57 PM PST

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      •  While I agree with your conclusion... (6+ / 0-)

        Republicans shouldn't even be part of this particular conversation. It's the Democrats and the Democrats alone who must answer for this -- if Social Security remains part of this "deal" -- which is really nothing more than yet another redistribution of wealth to those at the top. This is a scam on the American people.

        Why is Obama spending his political capital on cutting Social Security?

        We held up to our part of the bargain. It's time for the POTUS and Democrats to hold up to theirs.

        Social Security shouldn't even be mentioned in these negotiations. It wasn't part of the sequester deal. It's not part of the budget, and it's sure as hell not part of the deficit -- past or future -- in any way whatsoever. So how in the hell did it end up smack dab in the middle of these negotiations as one of Obama's concessions?

        We were told last year that so-called "entitlements" wouldn't be part of the sequester. That statement was uttered from the mouths of Democrats time after time all year long. We were told other discretionary spending would be, along with Pentagon cuts and tax hikes for the wealthy.

        So, a year later, after we gave up cuts to Head Start and the SNAP program among others; after we've all worked our asses off and donated money to reelect the president and elect more Democrats, we're supposed to believe that everything is different now; that entitlements cuts (SS cuts alone add up to $138 billion over ten years) are all of a sudden back in the game. And all those cuts (all told) need to be three or four times the number of Pentagon cuts, which are reported to be in the range of $100 billion over 10 years?

        And, just for good measure, we'll also lose the payroll-tax-cuts.

        If we're going to lose the payroll-tax-cuts anyway, and we've got to suck it up on entitlement cuts as well then why in the hell are we dealing with the Republicans at all?

        We may as well just go over the cliff. We'll lose our part of the Bush tax cuts along with the wealthy. But entitlements will be safe (for a while anyway) and the Pentagon cuts will be substantial.

        I say go over the bloody cliff. Yes, it'll be painful. But at least our collective future will be a bit more secure.

        Call the freakin' White House.

        "That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history." ~ Aldous Huxley

        by markthshark on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:15:18 PM PST

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  •  We are stuck with the "pig in a poke" that we (5+ / 0-)

    may have bought in this most recent presidential election (for reference to those perhaps shocked due to unfamiliarity with the phrase, the reference is here).  We have, on the other hand, 55 members of the United States Senate who have the chance to make a strong public case for not going along with anything that looks a bit like Boehner's Plan B...

    Media presentation will, as always, drive the narrative and Boehner's gloating orange-rimmed pig eyes may well eventually glisten with the tears of victory because of that framing, but we need to support and encourage Democratic Senators to fight that good fight.  It may be the only hope we have if the president, having failed to understand the lessons of his first term, decides that the gulf between compromise and principal is so gaping that "making government work" means little more than "making government work for Republicans"...

    "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    by Jack K on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:15:06 PM PST

  •  Sigh. (6+ / 0-)

    I don't know why the prez seems to think he's dealing with honest people.

    I really don't.

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:18:03 PM PST

  •  This (3+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, Shifty18, kat68
    Republicans haven't seen any of their programs being targeted, not a one.
    is just ridiculous The R's are being made to swallow tax hikes on the rich, including hikes on investment you can allege this with a straight face is beyond me...

    "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

    by durrati on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:24:13 PM PST

  •  Stop Hyperventilating (3+ / 0-)
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    durrati, jan4insight, Justanothernyer

    Chained CPI is about much more than Social Security, for a start. Second, the worst effect will be mitigated by exempting the vulnerable, which is why Obama's idea is endorsed by liberal think-tanks.

    Finally, John Boehner is creating a dog and pony show for his party to save his Speakership. Don't tell me you don't realise that. Allowing Republicans to vent is a good way to get them to accept reality.

    Enough about caving. I think it is still a good deal, just like Obamacare was when Obama was being abused here in 2010. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

    Finally, Obama REALISES that going over the cliff basically guts his second term. You can forget any gun control and any immigration reform because there will be political blood-letting (no pun intended, please don't overreact) in January-March as the nation heads into a recession and Obama's presidency is destroyed.

    The other option is additional political with every good jobs report, and actually getting some things done. Maybe some people want to fight just to fight. Obama isn't one of them and good for him.

    •  Hyperventilating? (6+ / 0-)

      If you've read any media reports or comments you would notice that the discussion is being controlled and guided by the right wing rhetoric.

      Even the delaying tactic from Boehner was designed to make Republicans appear strong, united and loyal.  Then when Boehner appeared to come to an epiphany and admit that revenues may be a necessity, he was proclaimed by more than one news outlet as showing courage and reason in the face of overwhelming resistance from his party.  

      This entire so called negotiation makes Republicans look like the victims and Democrats look like the aggressor.

      For the past 3 decades Democrats have been compromising down regardless whether they are in the majority.

      Obama won a huge victory in this past election.

      But he's negotiating down his victory and the prize.

    •  I'd like to see some links (2+ / 0-)
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      Chained CPI is about much more than Social Security, for a start. Second, the worst effect will be mitigated by exempting the vulnerable, which is why Obama's idea is endorsed by liberal think-tanks.

      Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

      by Just Bob on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:01:25 PM PST

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      •  CAP and CBPP (0+ / 0-)

        Look at Center for American Progress and Center for Budget and Policy Priorities. They both talk about how chained CPI can still exempt veterans with disabilities, and the very old, or very poor, or those who have not accrued enough work by the time they retire. For better analysis, check CBPP.

    •  How will it be mitigated? (0+ / 0-)

      If Mitt Romney and the Koch brothers' Social Security benefits get cut, that might be a good thing.  If a means test is installed, though, it should only apply to people who are earning $200,000 from sources other than work.

      The days of Social Security being merely what we put into it, with interest, are long gone.  Right now, what goes in is roughly what goes out, with a large reserve built up to cushion the effect of baby busts and immigration declines.  It is now a welfare program -- not that a welfare program is necessarily a bad thing.

      Working as a welfare program, Social Security is spectacular.  It reduced elder poverty from 50% to levels below that of the general population.  The savings to society brought about by the uncompensated work many seniors are freed to do for their families, communities, charities and churches makes it a tremendous bargain.  

      Still, people earning $200,000/year from their investments may not need the $1400/year that would be cut by chained CPI.  If that is the nature of the cut, then it's a fair price for deficit reduction and keeping Social Security solid beyond the 2030s.


      "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

      by Yamaneko2 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:32:43 PM PST

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    •  You forgot to say "hysterical" (1+ / 0-)
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      All the manly posters throw in "hysterical" when attacking people instead of their arguments.

    •  Going into recession is pure bs. (0+ / 0-)

      We have Federal Reserve finally off their ass and most of those defense spending cuts don't even hit the real economy. States like Virginia have skated along for the last decade. I don't give a damn about a blip in the markets.

    •  Chained CPI is unacceptable, period. (0+ / 0-)

      If he doesn't walk it back, his second term is already gutted.
      In real life there isn't going to be any gun control anyway, given that Dems are already babbling about movies and video games.
         Americans are sometimes oblivious, but heres what they'll see: Social Security is being cut because Obama asked for it.
         If you liked 2010, you'll love 2014.

  •  Jonathan Chait (0+ / 0-)

    is saying there's some long-term strategy in here that makes sense, and (screw my windows history, it never works) and Chait does make some sense.  It's just... over and over and over I read that the best way for liberals to help both themselves and the country in the long term is to screw both themselves and the country in the short term.  Is there really no better way???

  •  Boehner had just come from a caucus meeting that (1+ / 0-)
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    rejected his plan and had to settle for 'plan B' so i doubt you saw any gloating in his eye, now he has to rely solely on Republican votes to pass a tax hike on millionaires, not exactly an easy thing for him.

    •  Settle for Plan B? (0+ / 0-)

      Plan B is the tax cuts are extended for everybody making less than a million dollars a year.
      Then the House will recess and the Senate can either pass the House bill or the nation goes over the fiscal cliff.
      Yes, he was gloating.

  •  I noted the same (1+ / 0-)
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    Boehner once again roiled Obama.  It was disgusting to see.

    Hey Dems don't come to me looking for more money.  I am so done.  Now I am going to need the extra money.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 04:43:58 AM PST

  •  If the Democrats don't want to be blamed (0+ / 0-)

    then they have to line up -- from the top all the way down to the rank-and-file -- against any compromises on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.


    •  That's exactly what I was talking about. (0+ / 0-)

      It doesn't matter what Republicans do, the Democrats will be blamed.

      If Republicans block everything Dems will be blamed for getting nothing accomplished.

      If they compromise they get the blame.

      It's amazing.

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