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Today, my son and I decided to run out and see a movie.  Since we are both Quentin Tarantino fans, and his latest effort, "Django Unchained" just hit the theaters, we chose this movie.  Perhaps a bit of a bad choice for Christmas day, considering the typical gratuitous violence in the film, but you expect that from a Tarantino movie.

I left the movie completely rattled, and had to talk with my son for almost a half hour in the parking lot before I was even fit to drive.  And it had nothing to do with the violence and bloodshed so typical of this genre.  More discussion below, once the orange gun smoke clears.

At first I could not place my emotions, and why I was impacted so emotionally.  All I knew was that I had significant problems with what I just saw.  After a long discussion with my son (he is 28 by the way), and further consideration, I think I can finally define my thoughts.

The toughest part of the movie I had a problem with was the characterization of slavery.  Not slavery itself, nor even the dramatization, but more how Tarantino turned slavery into a caracature of itself.  Slavery is a horrible part of our history, and to commercialize it and exploit the most horrible components for the purposes creating an action hero story with graphic violence, corny joke lines, and an almost voyeuristic approach to abuse of human souls was horribly disrespectful to the reality of those that actually had to live through it.  There were real heroes during that time, risking their lives to save others, why not portray them instead?

The other item that bothered me significantly was the audience reaction to certain aspects of the film, such as laughing at lines that were wholly inappropriate.  If anyone thinks that we are in a post-racist era, feel free to come to my town and sit in a theater through this film.  In particular, lines where slaves made statements to remain particularly subservient to their slave masters.  This is an historic tragedy that people had to adapt to this extreme to survive, to avoid being beaten, whipped, or worse.  But when certain lines were used by slaves in the film in this manner, people actually laughed, as if the actors were in black face hamming it up.  I was and remain thoroughly disgusted with a large component of the human race right now.

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  •  Just what I expected. Thanks for saving me... (27+ / 0-)

    ...$8 or $9.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 04:53:13 PM PST

    •  Actually $13.50 here in CT. (1+ / 0-)
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      Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

      by JoanMar on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 07:49:11 PM PST

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    •  Django Unchained is an answer to Birth of a Nation (8+ / 0-)

      and it's about god damned time somebody made it

      it only took nearly a century

      Django is funny and exciting entertainment and it's the humor and excitement that keeps the hearts of the viewers open to the truth that the film is revealing.  

      it's how you tell a story that reveals the truth of evil in the world without your listeners closing their eyes to shield themselves the moment it starts to get overwhelming.

      you have to hit them with the truth and then give their emotions a release.  humor is a release valve.  

      humor keeps people vulnerable.  that's why Jon Stewart can reach people that normally just ignore the world outside of the boundaries of their own lives.  

      as for the action, well, the action hero story keeps people paying attention.  and it gives them a bit of a positive adrenaline high that makes them feel better about the movie that just made them feel awful about the world.

      and why make a movie about a freed slave who never really existed?  because he's a symbol.  and as a symbol... to quote another movie... he's incorruptible.  

      one last thing.  one thing that Quinten does so well with his movies is he humanize bad people.  he makes us see ourselves in them.  in Django, he made viewers see themselves even in the most evil people in the history of this nation.  he does that on purpose.  why?  

      because racism is STILL a huge problem in this country and one of the biggest reasons that this country can't deal with it is because so many of the people who are racist are honestly in denial about it.  to them racists are THOSE people who do THOSE things.  they aren't racists, because they don't do those things.  but when you can see yourselves in a racist in a movie it opens up the door for you to see the racism in yourself.  or in your family.  or your friends.  

      Quinten is from Texas.  this is a Texas boy pulling back the bullshit and saying 'look and see what you are and who what you are defending even as you deny it in yourself'.   as a white boy raised in a family of racists, the message was loud as a trumpet.  i cheered at the end because it's a message that has taken far to long to be trumpeted.

      so long and thanks for all the fish

      by Anton Bursch on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 08:00:56 PM PST

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      •  Not from Texas... (2+ / 0-)
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        Wikipedia says he was born in TN and grew up from age 2 in Torrance CA.

        FYI.

        I'm looking forward to seeing this film. I'm not sure I'll be happy I did so. But given the many reviews now available online, I'll be interested to see for myself.

        •  I'm tempted (4+ / 0-)
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          for the same reasons you cite. Ten bucks is a lot of money to me though, so I'm going to be very disappointed if I find it as shallow as his other films.

          A lot of what I'm hearing sounds like it's just an inversion of a John Wayne western, albeit with spaghetti western violence. I'm encourage by the suggestion that the villains are recognizably human. I hope that applies to his heroes as well.

          The only other movie of his that I'd say accomplishes this is Jackie Brown.

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 08:36:31 PM PST

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          •  Jackie Brown was my favorite until Django (6+ / 0-)
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            you know, it's kind of funny to me that a filmmaker is allowed to make purely entertaining movies or purely thoughtful movies, but if they ever cross over or mix everyone gets uncomfortable.  like, they think an artist is just one thing.  i'm not talking about you or anyone here.  i'm just talking generally speaking.  both audiences and critics seem to be kind of uptight about an artist coloring outside of the lines that have been drawn for them.

            so long and thanks for all the fish

            by Anton Bursch on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 09:43:02 PM PST

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            •  Well I agree with your general point (1+ / 0-)
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              I just don't think there's much thoughtfulness in most of Tarantino's work. Clever calculation yes. Thoughtfulness, no. Consider two of his best films besides Jackie Brown: Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill. The moral center in both films is essentially a Deus Machina. In the first it's literally magical. In the second, an easy appeal to the primal value of Motherhood.

              Nothing human is alien to me.

              by WB Reeves on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 10:54:10 PM PST

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        •  maybe i got him and Robert Rondreguiz mixed up (2+ / 0-)
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          i had no idea where Quinten was born and raised, but i thought he's lived in Austin for a couple decades now.  hmm... maybe i'm wrong about that.

          so long and thanks for all the fish

          by Anton Bursch on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 09:39:58 PM PST

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      •  Uh-huh. Lots of Americans saw themselves in... (5+ / 0-)
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        ...Archie Bunker, too. And you know what, a big bunch of them didn't think his racist, misogynist persona was a bad thing. Despite the comedy. Despite the very real attempts to show the truth.

        I have liked some of Tarantino's films very much indeed. Brilliant films. But I'm going to have to hear a lot more from people whose perceptions I trust before shelling out the cash.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 09:49:32 PM PST

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      •  I dunno (0+ / 0-)

        Tarantino seems to exploit the subject in a serial fashion to the point I really question his motives. Is it possible for him to write a script with more than 3 minutes of dialogue that doesn't contain the N word?

        I haven't seen Django and probably won't any time soon, but the reviews I've read seem to reflect my above suspicion, particularly what seems to be a cartoonish framing of the subject and the usual over the top gore and violence.

        Beyond a point, I conclude he's in love these racial epithets and all the fake blood. And himself, the clever schoolboy.

        What about my Daughter's future?

        by koNko on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 12:26:29 AM PST

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      •  I think you've hit the nail on the head (1+ / 0-)
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        with your comment "because racism is STILL a huge problem in this country ..." Consider this quote:

        “I play a slave. How black is that? I have to wear chains. How whack is that? But don’t worry. I get free. I save my wife and I kill all the white people in the movie. How great is that?”-Jamie Foxx on SNL

        Wow!

    •  That critique made up your mind? (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm surprised that you would coalesce your decision based on the diarist's critique of this movie.

      Any movie causing a long discussion in the parking lot has more merit than most.

      Don't you think?

    •  this makes me want to see it more. (1+ / 0-)
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      This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

      by mallyroyal on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 08:09:41 AM PST

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  •  sounds like a good work of art (4+ / 0-)
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    as opposed to a wholly agreeable feel-good typical hollywood, no?

    Try Manderlay also.

  •  The trailer was uncomfortable. (4+ / 0-)
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    I kind of feel like he was aiming for something and really really got lost.

  •  This is exactly what I was thinking, (12+ / 0-)
    There were real heroes during that time, risking their lives to save others, why not portray them instead?
    Like for example, Denmark Vesey. Has a movie ever been made about this real life hero?

    http://www.blackpast.org/...

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    by JayRaye on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 05:14:11 PM PST

  •  You saw pulp fiction? (8+ / 0-)

    Murder was glorified and almost worshiped in that movie.

    Did you see Inglorious Bastards?
    Torture and sadism was gloried.

    And you are surprised about this "film"?

    I don't see how anybody can be a fan of the trash that this man puts out.

    •   Have to agree (5+ / 0-)

      I saw pulp fiction and thought " that was very well made, very hip, very knowing - garbage. But it is still garbage. "

       I confess to not having seen any other Tarantino films, so I can't express an opinion about them. However, in discussing the subsequent movies he's made (  I work in a video store ...maybe the last one in the Northeast ! ) with a broad spectrum of folks - nothing anyone has said on his behalf has made me change my mind, or moved me to try again. I was almost hoping that he would finally grow up and do something worthwhile with his talent and opportunities - but it sounds as though it may be more of the same handsomely done, flashy garbage.

      “Good things don’t come to those who wait. They come to those who agitate!” Julian Bond

      by Dvalkure on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 06:13:46 PM PST

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      •  You are right (1+ / 0-)
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        Pulp fiction was well made and well acted, but everything is gratuitous.  I felt sick after watching the movie and wonder if this is how people really feel about killing other human beings.

        •  The worst thing about Pulp Fiction (2+ / 0-)
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          is how true-to-life it is.

          You either accept that, or you don't, but the fact is that you are surrounded by people who have killed people and just shrug it off.  Who do you think killed all those people in Iraq and Afghanistan?

          Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

          by Deward Hastings on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 07:19:02 PM PST

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          •  True to Life? (0+ / 0-)

            You mean as in the mysterious, mystical, something or other in the brief case? The conversion inducing miracle survival of Jules and Vincent? Butch's decision to save Marsellus, who is out to kill him?

            Nothing human is alien to me.

            by WB Reeves on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 11:21:47 PM PST

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            •  You seem to have missed (1+ / 0-)
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              the "redemption" message, both of Jules (where it should be completely obvious) and of Butch (where it is a bit mixed with "noble savage").  Jules was "spared", and redeemed himself by choosing to spare in return.  Butch broke a deal, and, given the opportunity, had to "make it right" for his own honor and redemption (which Marsellus acknowledged).  I have seen both in the "real world", in form nearly as graphic.

              Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

              by Deward Hastings on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 07:16:56 AM PST

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              •  Oh I didn't miss it. (0+ / 0-)

                I just don't think it was based on any commitment to presenting "life as it is." It's based on "life as it is" in B movie exploitation flicks.

                That's not to say that some people's life experiences don't resemble grade B movies but that doesn't make their experience universal.

                Nothing human is alien to me.

                by WB Reeves on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 04:33:49 PM PST

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    •  You missed the point (1+ / 0-)
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      on both movies.

    •  I really liked Inglourious Bastards. (0+ / 0-)

      I only regret that I never saw it on the big screen. I lived in Germany in the early '70's and had many conversations with my German students (ESL) about growing up with "Nazi" as the first thing Americans then thought when they visited in the U.S. To them, it was as if a whole swastika-riddled curtain was draped between them as German-speaking visitors and the "welcoming" Americans, that they could feel ordinary Americans seeing them as "genetically Nazi".

      In the DvD set of Inglourious Bastards, the bonus disc, critic Elvis Mitchell has a really interesting interview with Tarantino and Pitt in which they discussed (in Christoph Waltz's words) how the film destroys Nazism for Germans. I'm not stating this well, but interested folks can find that interview somewhere online, no doubt.

      So for Django Unchained, I'm really interested to see if Tarantino might be able to do the same for the trappings of slavery, destroying the ongoing dominant "whitist" perspective (whether articulated or merely implied) on African-Americans as somehow lesser beings (less diligent and industrious, less artistic, less intelligent, less civilized, less peaceful, less-less-less-anything-positive), a perspective [frame, filter] that is just as strong in today's formerly "Union" regions as it ever was and remains in the Old South and border states.

      •  I really hated Inglorious Bastards (0+ / 0-)

        Tarantino has a perverted fantasy mind about as mature as a 12 year old playing Germans versus Americans in his backyard. Maybe 15 tops. Personally, I think Tarantino is a reflection of the violent culture change here, where violence with a moral justification is replaced by gratuitous masturbatory gore. I won't pay to see it, and probably take my time to see it as I have done with most Tarantino jerk offs.

        "Too often we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered dreams of others" Robert F. Kennedy

        by realwischeese on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 11:26:34 PM PST

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      •  Nazis need to keep their historical place as evil (0+ / 0-)

        Yes, we need an in depth study, as we have had about Nazis, but I don't really think it is healthy to wash the sins of Nazism away because some people have tired of it.

        "Too often we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered dreams of others" Robert F. Kennedy

        by realwischeese on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 11:28:40 PM PST

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    •  I haven't seen most of his movies (1+ / 0-)
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      but Pulp Fiction was one of my favorites, at least at the time I saw it. I'm not sure how I would feel about it today.

      "I have more than two prablems" - The Coach Z

      by AaronInSanDiego on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 09:53:11 PM PST

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    •  Agree (0+ / 0-)

      I would have walked out of Pulp Fiction had I not been with other people.  I'd rather cut off my ear than sit through another one of his violence exploitation "films."

      Let all the Bush tax cuts expire

      by Paleo on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 05:52:16 AM PST

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  •  When I saw the trailers, I was wondering (7+ / 0-)

    if it was just a 'Western-ized' Blaxploitation movie.

    I'd already decided to give it a miss, though, because any time a trailer seems to have tons of shooting and explosions, I figure they're telling us there's no plot worth speaking of, just special effects.

    We were actually thinking of seeing Lincoln, which would have been the first movie I'd have seen in theatres in years, but the housemate was under the weather, so it will probably be even more years before I see one in theatre again.

    Thinking back, I think the last three I saw in theatre were 'The Santa Clause' (on a date) (1994), 'Cast Away' (2000) with a group of friends, and 'Underdog' (2007) (cause I love beagles ;)

    At that rate, I guess it should only be another year or two til I finally get around to seeing a movie in theatre again.

  •  I will see "Django" first chance I get. (6+ / 0-)

    If you're looking for a biopic honoring a hero of the abolition movement, or a sensitive and politically-correct film about the horror that was/is slavery -- well, Tarantino's not your man.

    I expect to see a violent revenge fantasy, along the lines of "Inglorious Basterds" (and BTW, I don't remember similar outrage associated with that movie).

    I thought "Basterds" was immensely cathartic. I will wait to see if "Django" succeeds on that level.

  •  "Tarantino turned slavery into a caracature" (5+ / 0-)
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    Is it the case that the portrayal was significantly inaccurate? If so then how so?

    In particular did you find the portrayals of enforced subservience (which you mention) inacurate, or just uncomfortable?  Apart from the "story" itself (which is obviously fiction, and perhaps intended as a vehicle to something else) were the character portrayals cartoonish in a "that's not really how it was" sort of way, or were they "stereotypically correct" in conveying the underlying essense of "the peculiar institution"?  

    Is it your intention to suggest that the movie somehow "whitewashes" slavery?

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 06:56:36 PM PST

  •  I don't think I'll watch the movie, based on... (1+ / 0-)
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    your report & others.
    It's an important topic that I wanted to see explored in film.  I'll probably watch it privately when it goes to DVD.

    I share a birthday with John Lennon and Bo Obama.

    by peacestpete on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 07:18:25 PM PST

    •  That's how I worked it with Inglourious Bastards (1+ / 0-)
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      which I've watched now at least 20 times. Never saw it in the theater. But watching it on DVD and really absorbing what Tarantino was doing there (including kicking shit out of anglophone ethnocentrism by having much of the dialogue in German and French, with a slice of Italian so stunningly funny that I found myself laughing out loud), I began to see I should be a lot less narrow-minded on the topic of movie violence---it ain't real, folks---in Tarantino films and focus truly deeply on the intent of the film.

      I'll also go see Lincoln at some point (referencing someone else's comment above).

    •  Movies like these are important to see in public. (2+ / 0-)
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      Public reactions are often an important role in these movies.

      Some movies are made to elicit a public response, not a private one.

  •  hmmm (5+ / 0-)
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    Went to see it with my 28 year old son and we came away with 180 from you...

    The "House negro", if ya have any African-American friends is still a term of derision. Our audience was perhaps 30% African-American and most of them came out chuckling.

    The dialogue was as usual first rate. If ya did not find the scene where the hoods did not fit funny? too bad..

    To us it was Blazing Saddles meets Clint "Man with know name" movies.  I do have a question..was was the purpose of the reoccurring woman..who we last see with the stereoscopic?
    The soundtrack of course is first rate...
    Hey Q as a director pushes things..some peope enjoy that..some don't..cool

  •  I totally agree with you. (1+ / 0-)
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    I hated the film. I felt exploited. There were times when I wanted to vomit. I left feeling as if I was covered in blood with bits of gore still clinging to my  clothing.
    There is a beautiful story there to be told but it was smothered by the n word and by blood and gore.
    The acting of Christophe Waltz was brilliant and Jamie Foxx was great. Samuel Jackson was Samuel Jackson. I knew it was him and he acted as if SJ was the character.
    Know that I spent most of the time with my eyes covered, or looking down as I just could not look at so much bloody cruelty.

    Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

    by JoanMar on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 07:56:54 PM PST

    •  how have you felt about his other films? (0+ / 0-)

      I'm honestly curious.

      This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

      by mallyroyal on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 08:10:41 AM PST

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      •  I have not watched his other films. (0+ / 0-)

        I have seen bits of Kill Bill on tv and look forward to seeing more of it because of the martial arts. I always catch it at an inopportune time. I would like to see Inglorious Basterds because I thought Christophe Waltz was just brilliant in Django.
        Tarantino is not on my list of must see directors. My movie rule is: I must see everything Spike Lee does and I must see every Idris Elba movie. Other than that I only go when there is hype about something big, like The Help or Django, or I am invited by someone I want to spend time with.
        Django left me feeling battered, bruised and exploited.
        I spent most of the time looking down or covering my eyes from all that bloody violence.

        Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

        by JoanMar on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 02:32:34 PM PST

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      •  LOL, Mally. (0+ / 0-)

        Sorry for the repetition.
        I didn't read my comment before answering yours.
        Well, I guess it shows just how I felt about Django.
        I take it you weren't similarly affected?
        If so, neither was my daughter. She loved it. Ugh.

        Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

        by JoanMar on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 02:45:02 PM PST

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  •  I'm looking forward to seeing it. (0+ / 0-)

    I know some of my friends will hate it, but others may like it a lot.

    "I have more than two prablems" - The Coach Z

    by AaronInSanDiego on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 09:55:37 PM PST

  •  I'm not going to watch that POS film, (0+ / 0-)

    and so I'm happy to see this review.

    I've always thought Tarantino was slime.

    But I may get dragged by my wife to see The Hobbit.

  •  I haven't seen the movie yet (5+ / 0-)
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    but I doubt that any 2 hour movie could give an accurate accounting of how bad slavery truly was.

    No American alive today can give an accurate accounting of the true depth of slavery in America.

    If the worst you can say about the film is the inappropriateness of lines coming from slaves, just imagine what the truth would have been.  More than you could stomach perhaps?

    There has never been an American movie accurately portraying the worst lives of African slaves in America.

    I don't think there ever will be.

    I don't even know what you mean by hero when you talk about true heroes during that time.

    To me a hero would be anyone who stayed alive.  A hero was anyone who didn't cause the death of their wife, son or daughter by their actions.  A hero was everyone who endured survived slavery and survived.

    I wonder how we, as Americans today, would react to being enslaved.

  •  I really want to see this movie.... (0+ / 0-)

    in my hometown of Atlanta...on the southwest side...in the ATL theater (down the street from Tyler Perry Studios).  This is my favorite movie theater...where black folks talk back to the screen and react in a call and response fashion as the movie unfolds.....the absolute BEST place to watch movies with black actors, or scary movies.........(sigh) but I am in Germany........

    "Fear is the Mind Killer"--Frank Herbert

    by vmm918 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 12:49:53 AM PST

  •  NyTimes saw the good in the movie (1+ / 0-)
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    http://movies.nytimes.com/...

    Spike Lee is boycotting it.

    Reviews are  all over the place.

    I'm no big fan of Tarantino ( he's ok, but not the hyperbolic -level genius that he's often called. ) But I don't see Foxx, Jackson, DiCaprio, and some of the other actors willingly playing along in a movie that is intentionally insulting African Americans and slavery  that many of their ancestors endured.

    What is true is that the history of literature and drama shows us often, the only way to truly see the truth of something is to change its nature slightly: looking at slavery as it truly existed for two hours would be excruciating and so exhausting, it would probably lead us to few new insights or truths. By injecting humor, and yes, of course the humor is inappropriate, we are able to observe with a different set of eyes. We're laughing while we're being hit over the head with a deadly truth.

    In situations like this, I usually just go see the movie for myself. First of all, I want to make up my own kind. Second, we always complain about the insipid junk that the big movie studios churn out. (Transformers Pt2 pretty much offended no one, right?)

    Here is a movie that is making people think about what role humor should have in the discussion of history's atrocities. Also, from a plot, character, movie essentials perspective, it seems to be a good movie on its own.

    Even if we decide we hate this movie and walk out on it, I think we should be willing to give movies like this a try.

    After all, it's not that hard to make "Sex in the City: Part 3: the Girls go to Vegas" and make a profit just off the product placement.

    I just worry that when we complain about all the stupid movies, then we get one that isn't stupid, we refuse to see it because its delivery may be uncomfotable, that doesnt help.

    Not every movie can be Lincoln.  Besides, many if the people oozing praise about DDT in Lincoln weren't happy with some of his prior roles either. But you always leave a DDT movie with him bouncing through your brain.

    And Tarantino tends to do that too.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 01:28:52 AM PST

  •  "it's only a movie...only a movie..." (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    a2nite, awesumtenor, Timothy L Smith

    btw, how can you call a movie a "piece of shit" before having seen it?

    "anticpated piece of shit" perhaps?

    Coming Attraction: "Tea Party II - now with more stupid!"

    by memofromturner on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 05:09:21 AM PST

    •  Because the name Tarantino is on it (0+ / 0-)

      And Birth of a Nation and Gone With the Wind were only movies, but they glorifiied the post-war south, thereby creating a mindset in the white general public that certainly helped segregation to endure.

      Let all the Bush tax cuts expire

      by Paleo on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 05:55:16 AM PST

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      •  oh, kinda like i react to "dave matthews"! (0+ / 0-)
        Because the name Tarantino is on it
        and "gone with the wind"...what a PIECE OF SHIT!
        [how am i doing? i'm ashamed to say i've actually seen GWTW, thereby technically disqualifying myself from critiquing it]

        Coming Attraction: "Tea Party II - now with more stupid!"

        by memofromturner on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 08:32:03 AM PST

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    •  And beyond that (0+ / 0-)

      Why are people making decisions to not see the film based, at least in part, on the criticisms from other people who have not seen the film either...

      Smacks of that whole "the blind leading the blind" thing...

      Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

      by awesumtenor on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 08:26:57 AM PST

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      •  i don't care what anyone sees, it's just amusing (0+ / 0-)

        to see people critique something they've never laid eyes on...at least have the decency to preface your remarks with "from what i've heard..." or "because of my dislike of tarantino..." or something that admits you haven't seen the damn movie!

        Coming Attraction: "Tea Party II - now with more stupid!"

        by memofromturner on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 08:34:58 AM PST

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  •  ... (0+ / 0-)

    So you didn't like the movie because the depiction of slavery taken serious enough?  You're joking right?

    The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing online commenters that they have anything to say.-- B.F.

    by lcj98 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 at 08:43:04 AM PST

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