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Mugshot of Senator Mike Crapo (R-ID) following his drunk driving arrest in Alexandria, VA on December 23, 2012
Sen. Mike Crapo (R-drunk)
It sure is nice to be a senator, isn't it? Boozing it up in D.C., joyriding around Virginia in the middle of the night, running red lights, blowing a field sobriety test when you get pulled over—and then pretty much just walking away with a slap on the wrist:
Sen. Mike Crapo pleaded guilty to a drunken driving charge in Virginia on Friday, agreeing to have his license suspended for one year, take alcohol awareness classes and pay a $250 fine.

A 180-day jail sentence for the Idaho Republican has been suspended on the condition of good behavior. [...]

A second charge, for running a red light, was dropped.

Sure, you might think that Sen. Crapo is getting off easy because he's a senator. But, see, he had a really good reason for getting hammered:
“It was a poor choice to use alcohol to relieve stress, and was at odds with my personally held and religious beliefs, ” Crapo said outside the Alexandria General District Court.
See? Most people use alcohol for bad reasons. Or because using alcohol is consistent with their personally held and religious beliefs. And that's certainly no excuse for drunk driving. But the good senator? He was stressed, see, because being a Republican obstructionist is damned hard work and sometimes, even if you claim to be a devout Mormon who does not drink, well, you've got to find some way to relieve your stress, and what better way than to knock back a few vodka tonics—which apparently, even though Crapo is not a drinker, he just happened to have laying around in his D.C. apartment, where he was drinking alone before he decided to "to go out for a drive and get out of my apartment and try to wind down."

Uh huh.

But whatever. That's all tonic water under the bridge now because Crapo said he's "profoundly sorry" and "grateful to have this matter resolved and will follow through on the sentence imposed by the court." Big of him to promise to fulfill the court sentence, isn't it?

Despite Crapo's insistence that this is all over now, the question still remains: Why was Crapo in Virginia on the Sunday before Christmas instead of Idaho, with his wife and five children, after all his fellow members of Congress had gone home for the holiday?

Originally posted to Kaili Joy Gray on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:05 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  he was pulling a Newt Gingrich (37+ / 0-)

    for whom stress from being too patriotic led to marital infidelity.  Or some similar frolic and detour from the hard life of being a corporate tool.

  •  Let's raise a glass to R Senators who drink... (6+ / 0-)

    it's their only shot at altering their personalities.

  •  He says "home" is in Virginia (14+ / 0-)
    Crapo said he was alone on the roughly 30-minute drive. He passed the national monuments, crossed the Potomac River, then began to head home when he was pulled over by Alexandria police after running a red light.
    Link

    Didn't earlier reports have him attending a party in Alexandria?

    Interesting.  I wonder if he really was alone.

    Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

    by Betty Pinson on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:18:48 AM PST

    •  Maybe checking the police blotters might reveal a (1+ / 0-)
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      'Jane Doe' cited around the same time and location for any related offenses for which he was not. Or maybe a young 'Johnny Doe'.

      Perhaps his traveling companion might also have been cited for dressing too provocatively and for so temptingly not screaming out unyielding resistance to this Very Important Public Figure (before he'd fully formed his passionately patriotic feelings in his mind)--since, after all, he is He Who's Dickishness Must Be Privately Indulged Without Filing Complaints (or making revealing public comments or releasing pictures or video or writing to Ethics Committees or demanding judges recuse themselves, etc.)  See, otherwise what's the fun of being a Law Maker if you can't make 'the law' whatever it is you feel it needs to be...and to whom it applies and when convenient, or not.

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      by antirove on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 11:15:00 AM PST

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    •  Larry Craig? (0+ / 0-)

      For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

      by Anne Elk on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:35:29 PM PST

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    •  Oh, I see, (6+ / 0-)

      so if you're driving past national monuments while you're drunk, that's just being patriotic, and so everything's OK!

    •  I could care less if he was alone or not. (3+ / 0-)
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      The point that has me pissed of is that HE WAS DRUNK AND DRIVING AND RAN A RED LIGHT.  And then they let the sonofabitch off????????

      There is way too much crazy shit that goes on in the greater DC road network.  I have to go through that area to get some of the dog stuff I do.  If some asshole creams me while I have Violet in the car, I will sue them not just for my medical bills but also for her veterinary care.  I don't give a goddamn who they are.

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      by Noor B on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:13:52 PM PST

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      •  They did NOT let him off (1+ / 0-)
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        A one year license suspension, with a six-month jail sentence hanging over his head unless he stays clean, plus a $250 fine, plus all this publicity, is not "letting him off."  It's pretty standard 1st offense DWI. It will also do major damage to his wallet for years to come, as his insurance rates skyrocket, aside from whatever he had to pay the lawyer to dig him out.

        Running the red light is minimal compared to that -- yes, it's a moving violation, but without the DUI, it's probably a $75 ticket.

    •  Just like Richard Lugar's? (0+ / 0-)

      That's probably what eventually cost him the Republican nomination -- not coming home regularly enough.

      "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

      by Yamaneko2 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:59:45 PM PST

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  •  I often drink socially, and have for many years. (6+ / 0-)

    If there's even a slight chance I'm impaired, however, I don't drive. I expect most moderate drinkers observe this very same precaution.

    Generally, it's safe to say, somebody who gets pulled over for drunk driving, is facing very serious personal challenges of one kind or another.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:18:49 AM PST

    •  My only adult acquaintance with a DUI had (8+ / 0-)

      driven many, many times with blood alcohol well above legal limits. He got caught that time because he was littering outside a MacDonald's and had the poor judgment to challenge the police officer who came over to talk to him about it.



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      by Wee Mama on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 11:20:55 AM PST

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    •  I'm hoping most moderate drinkers will not (7+ / 0-)

      hesitate to heed their friends or barkeeps, who might offer to take their car keys and get them a cab, when indicating it seems they may be too impaired to drive.  It's when drinkers stop being sensible and willing to concede human safety could be a concern that they are no longer 'moderate'. As someone who's been around several decades and earned the greying hair dealing with more than one such 'sensible' drinker, I'll say there's been many times I wished I could or would have intervened, and even when I tried, had always been heeded. Some of my classmates did not graduate high school, or college or graduate school, or co-workers make it to work on Monday, due to serious or deadly accidents where alcohol was involved.

      A serious and potentially life-threatening problem with having judgment that's alcohol impaired is when judging one's own self to still be capable of 'good enough' driving, or more than adequate driving--regardless of having had a few.  It's not obviously 'as bad' as the drunk insisting that they have NASCAR-great judgment with superb reflexes and amazing performance, and able to out drive any trouble that might come their way, perhaps with dangerously belligerent insistence.  But the level of impairment can still lead to catastrophic accidents due to just a moment of slightly inattentive bleariness.  Impairment can affect how well one 'counts' his or her drinks, so maybe that feeling of just having had 2 or 3 is off by more than 1 drink.  

      There are times I wished drinking establishments were required to collect driver's licenses and car keys at the door (perhaps with a deposit toward's cab fare), and that, after drinking, the customer would have to pass an objective breath test to regain possession. That would eliminate foolish arguments about who's capable of judging who might to be impaired or 'holding their liquor'. With current technology and prices, any drinking establishment could afford an inexpensive testing device.

      And if argued, I'd agree overly tired or distraught drivers should also not be driving on public streets, but we'd need come up with quick & fair tests, perhaps built into ignition systems, for these situations. As cars get smarter that may be possible.  But I would also argue that we could now, with little cost, if public will could be evoked, put into place required breathalizer testing for those who indulge in alcoholic beverages and legally make those providing beverages partly responsible for any harm done if not offering that testing and collecting keys and DLs. I'd like insurance companies to expect this done as well. In this matter, stepping on someone's liberty a bit is far better than a drunk failing to step on the brakes on time, steer correctly, or misjudge vehicle operations in a way that leads to serious damage, injury, long-term disability or fatalities.  

      If the good Senator was actually serious about recognizing his impaired judgment and error, and feels a true personal and public responsibility to society, and realizes how easy it would be for he or others to be in that situation again, he should feel an obligation, a duty, to press for this more rigorous sort of 'solution' and seek to reshape society's expectations.

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      by antirove on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 12:10:41 PM PST

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      •  If I was going to drink and planned on driving (1+ / 0-)
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        at any time afterwards I would spend the $100 to $150 on a personal breathalyser with a fuel cell sensor (the cheap $20-$60 ones have a crappy sensor and are not reliable at all) and not drive until it showed I was completely sober.

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 07:31:01 PM PST

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    •  Before the PD photo op he should have buttoned (1+ / 0-)
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      his button down collars.

      Makes him look like he just got out of bed and threw on the first shirt he could find or something.

      Not a good mugshot. Tho, most of them aren't.

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      by Gordon20024 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:56:43 PM PST

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      •  News flash (1+ / 0-)
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        Very few people look good in their mug shots. Senator Crapo (that is just too rich a name) shouldn't have been given the opportunity to freshen up any more than anyone else arrested for drunken driving, and to the Alexandria policy's credit he was not.

        •  That's why I said . . . (1+ / 0-)
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          Not a good mugshot. Tho, most of them aren't.
          Before leaving his residence, before going out in public he should have buttoned his f'ing collars to his shirt if that was the shirt he chose to wear.

          It's not like he was homeless. He's a representative of traditional american values and all that stuff. He's a living example of how every successful and empowered young republican hypocrite lives their lives.

          My question is why didn't he button his f'ing collars. He's so uptight about everything everyone else does in the privacy of our homes or on public streets! Why the hell can't I demand that he at the very least button his f'ing collar before he goes out drunk driving and doing whatever with whomever?

          If he's so f'ing anal that he feels the need to get into my personal business before breakfast I demand to know why he didn't button his f'ing buttons before driving drunk in public. OK?

          My problem is that the self righteous, holier than thou 'christians' are constantly telling us how we're going to their hell because we don't follow their rules. When truth be know, they don't follow there rules very well, either.

          Southern Baptist are the most unchristian and hateful people I've ever encountered. There's no reasoning with them. They're blind to everything but their Fabio-like 6 foot tall blue eyed savior that was so powerful he let a handful of men nail his ass to a cross and kill him, amen.

          Please excuse me. I need to get out of Southburkistan for a few weeks. I've been working the recent election and foregoing my physical and mental health. I need a long walk in the woodlands. I need some clean air.

          What, sir, would the people of the earth be without woman? They would be scarce, sir, almighty scarce. Mark Twain

          by Gordon20024 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:45:31 PM PST

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    •  He's not supposed to be a social drinker, or (6+ / 0-)

      any kind of drinker at all due to his Mormon faith. This could explain his complete lack of any kind of social responsibility related to alcohol use. He just doesn't know how to behave when drinking. ;)

      I'd believe this if there weren't zillions of commercials about the dangers of drinking and driving, especially around the holidays. I can't help but wonder how long he's been tippling before his drinking came to light.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:35:30 PM PST

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    •  I don't drink (1+ / 0-)
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      when not home.

      Too many relatives and friends have serious substance abuse problems (oh, the glamour of growing up in show biz!), and have really screwed their lives up from it (an old friend just got out after 40 years in prison as a result of substance abuse), and it turned me off to that when I was too young to drive.

      I'm usually glad to be the designated driver (unless you're gonna puke in my car) but ... I just don't see the point of it.  When I'm out having fun I want to be at my best, and want to remember it.  And want to be able to function if need be.

      I'll have a beer or 3 when it's warm out or with some kinds of food, and a glass or 3 of wine under similar circumstances, but just don't see the attraction of getting drunk.

      That said, I did 10 years in the navy, left there a CPO, and still don't drink coffee.  I am unusual!

      I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

      by trumpeter on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:04:01 PM PST

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      •  Yeah, the only times I have been to a bar was (0+ / 0-)

        to see the live shows (and the bar was a 3 hour drive each way) so the only thing I had was a couple of diet sodas (which were only a buck each).  Driving back from half past midnight to 3:30am is hard enough as it is.

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 07:34:25 PM PST

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  •  If that's a first time offense (14+ / 0-)

    he didn't "get off easy" -  I'm not that familiar with Virginia but for some states, that's all quite harsh.

    That WAS a rather speedy trial, however!

  •  Of course now that he's paid his debt to society (13+ / 0-)

    He will insist that nobody can ever, EVER speak of it again, and his moral standing to tell everyone else what to do has been completely restored.

    /snark

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:25:26 AM PST

  •  With whom were you shooting shots? (4+ / 0-)
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    We will never know, hence the guilty plea. Alone, in his apartment, drinking vodka shots - not a believable combination. The Idaho Statesman was willing to detail 25+ years of rumors/innuendo after former Senator Craig tapped his toes in an airport bathroom - digging deeper to find Crapo's drinking partner(s) can't be that difficult.

    I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

    by hulibow on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:25:52 AM PST

  •  Does voting to screw the poor count as "good be- (8+ / 0-)

    havior" ?

    •  In red states it sure does (3+ / 0-)
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      And aside from some pockets of sanity Idaho is pretty much as red as the ketchup they put on their Freedom Fries.

      What's wrong with America? I'll tell you. Everything Romney said was pre-chewed wads of cud from Republicans from the last 30 years and yet he managed thru a combination of racism and selling the (false) hope of riches to get 47% of the national vote.

      by ontheleftcoast on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:37:21 AM PST

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    •  If by that you mean vote every year to screw (0+ / 0-)

      the poor even more, then that indeed seems to be the prevailing standard of 'good behavior' for way too many Republicans and some Democrats as well.  If you want to score extra points and truly stand out as a Republican, you have to truly innovate in coming up with new ways to screw the poor even more, and you will have to accelerate your pace to match or stay ahead of whatever imaginings the Tea Party may have. The goal posts aren't just moving, they're rolling down hill at increasing speeds and Republicans are trying to kick them harder as they go down.

      When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

      by antirove on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 12:18:20 PM PST

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  •  Crapo is in no danger here in Idaho. (9+ / 0-)

    Yes, he's from eastern Idaho--seen mostly as an LDS extension of northern Utah--but he doesn't come up for re-election until '16, which is a long way in the future, especially in politics.

    He'll do the usual GOP 'mea culpa' and all will be well for him.

    He's getting huge love from the state's largest paper, the Idaho Statesman, especially its main political reporter, Dan Popkey. Popkey is a shameless suckup to the state GOP establishment and an apologist for Crapo.

    The Idaho Democratic Party (yes, there really is one) chair put out a statement that the party viewed Crapo's arrest with 'surprise and dismay' and pointed out that Crapo 'joins a growing list of elite, GOP, elected officials who have embarrassed Idaho on the national stage in recent years.' Pretty mild, really.

    Popkey--supposedly an unbiased journalist, remember?--called the statement a 'tin-eared, mean-spirited attempt to seek political gain' and 'straight from the gutter' in his blog.

    He praised Crapo--remember, the guy who holds himself out as a nondrinking LDS paragon--as 'a class act' and  heaped praised on him: 'Crapo owned up.'

    This is what passes for journalism in Idaho.  

           

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    by wheeldog on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:26:58 AM PST

    •  Helps to Have the Media On Your Side ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... I guess that is why a few corporations are buying up all the media.  Gotta be able to push a "third world agenda" on the public without them being the wiser.

      Poor man wants to be rich. Rich man wants to king. And the king ain't satisifed until he rules everything. B.Springsteen

      by howd on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:02:07 PM PST

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    •  Look at the contrast (0+ / 0-)

      Compared to Larry Craig, who kept it a secret, told a risible lie about what he was doing at the time that even his fellow Republicans didn't buy, then tried to appeal the conviction on the grounds that he didn't make the plea intelligently--yeah, I'd say Crapo owned up.

    •  How's his wife feeling about it? (0+ / 0-)

      No word about her, but I'll bet she has opinions.

  •  honestly, this is what first offenders usually (10+ / 0-)

    get based on state law in Virginia...

    It looks like they gave him a 180 day suspended sentence
    which they didn't have to do according to the law.  He
    will have to get an SR22 filing for the state and he won't
    be able to drive for a year...  If he messes up he will have
    to serve the 180 day sentence.  

    Virginia DUI Laws, Fines and Penalties

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    by Statusquomustgo on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:28:33 AM PST

    •  I thought the US was cracking down (1+ / 0-)

      In most of Europe, the DWI level is 0.05% (this gets you an American-style penalty; at 0.08% or so or if you get in an accident that causes damage or injury to someone else, it is typically a felony-level crime).  France actually requires you to have a breathalyzer kit in your car and in Scandanavia you are likely to lose your license permanently because of a DWI conviction.

      Most US laws about drunk driving tend to get you a slap on the wrist the first few times (points, fine, big insurance increase, perhaps a short suspension), although if you get in an accident in most places, you're not going to be driving, and if you kill someone, you're going to jail.  In most places, they are strict enough to keep casual drunks off the road, which is why the US road fatality rate per mile has gone down hugely in the last couple of decades.

      •  It varies from state to state. .08 is the (2+ / 0-)
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        usual level, but the stringency of enforcement, particularly for first offenses, varies greatly.   The trend, however, is towards cracking down, even on first offenses.

      •  In Australia, you can have no detectable (5+ / 0-)

        alcohol in your blood in the first 3 years of having a license, then it is 0.05. You can be pulled over at any time and given a breath test. The chances of getting one I heard was 1 in 3 in any one year. The penalties are big fines and loss of license. You also go back to square one. So you have to apply for a license again and it's like you never had one before, see first 3 years rule above.

        Maybe that makes the US laws seem a little more lenient.

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        by Anne Elk on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:45:10 PM PST

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        •  So, it's not like those Mad Max movies then? (0+ / 0-)

          I jest, Anne Elk. I spent a week in King's Cross sometime in 1969 while on R&R so I'm told.

          Don't remember much of it but loved the people, their compassion and friendliness.

          You Auzzies are alright by me. 'Up the Red Roo' was a phrase I heard often from the Auzzie soldiers I met. Is that a good thing?

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          by Gordon20024 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:16:15 PM PST

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      •  There are also aggravating factors (0+ / 0-)

        If you get into an accident, especially where there's an injury; if there's a child in the car; if you're underage--all these things will ensure you don't get the standard first-time plea deal.

    •  not that bad considering the fine is over 1000 in (0+ / 0-)

      many states. ...and also some have to attend months of counseling or special classes and also pay for a fee out of pocket for all of those counseling sessions and classes.

      It cost a friend of mine well over 2000 in fines and costs.

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      by wishingwell on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:13:10 PM PST

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    •  You're right (2+ / 0-)
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      My husband is a cop in VA and what he got is typical for a first time offender.

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      by fille americaine on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:20:30 PM PST

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  •  Doesn't sound like getting off easy to me. (8+ / 0-)

    Based on friends and family, sounds like the standard for a first offense.

  •  Eh (5+ / 0-)

    He didn't really get off any easier than your standard first-time offender.

    •  must depend on the state, and remember they (1+ / 0-)
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      suspended the 180 days in jail that many first time offenders apparently get as that was mentioned in the article. There are much stiffer fines and costs in many other states. As I said above, a friend paid close to 2 grand total in costs and fines by the time it was all said and done.

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      by wishingwell on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:16:20 PM PST

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      •  The 180 day suspended sentence (0+ / 0-)

        That would be fairly routine to suspend it for a first offense - but to keep it hanging in threat in case of failure to follow through on the rest of the sentence.

        Also, you've mentioned your friend's situtation several times - but you've never addressed whether drivers license was revoked. Apparently that is not part of the consequence for first offenders in your state. In some respects that provision make's Crapo's outcome more, not less, severe.

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        by Catte Nappe on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:56:47 PM PST

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        •  my friend had her license revoked for90 days (0+ / 0-)

          but then she had to drive just to work and back using a breathalyzer for another 9 months.  Then her full drivers license was restored. But in the case of my other friend and former clients, their license were revoked for one year.

          In PA, they call it Felony DUI. It is more serious of a crime in recent years.

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          by wishingwell on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 09:10:07 AM PST

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  •  I think a precedent had been set (3+ / 0-)

    many years ago on drinking and driving while in Congress.....let's all be thankful no one got hurt.

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 10:12:40 AM PST

    •  You and I may be the only ones who still (5+ / 0-)

      remember that.



      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 11:24:39 AM PST

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      •  Mary Jo Who? (3+ / 0-)
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        Yes, the fact that one of our greatest senators had (so far) the worst drunken driving incident in congressional history, one in which someone actually was killed, should make us think twice about working the Crapo DUI for maximum publicity value.
        But:
        (1) That was a lifetime ago, possibly before the diarist was born. And over the decades since Ted Kennedy drove off the Chappaquiddick bridge, it's Crapo's party and its mouthpieces that both skated away from their own scandals and manufactured a few attributed to Dems. So to attack the convenient target they present us here may look petty and hypocritical, but not to do so would look weak. And power is the only thing they understand.
        (2) It's not like dKos is joining a media feeding frenzy in reporting this. It's not only his openly partisan hometown newspaper downplaying the story but also the supposedly nonideological MSM.

        "Think of something to make the ridiculous look ridiculous." -- Molly Ivins

        by dumpster on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:07:13 PM PST

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        •  I had a two-fold concern about that whole incident (2+ / 0-)
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          (nearly typed "affair"). The big and obvious one is the death due to drunken driving. The other is far less often discussed, though. They were coming back from a party of politicians with their (younger, female) staff - wives not included. The whole thing stank to me.

          I am glad that Kennedy showed considerable amendment of life and did good things as a public servant afterwards, but those don't ameliorate the original incident. When Kennedy ran for president, it was a big part of why I didn't support him at the time.



          Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

          by Wee Mama on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:21:45 PM PST

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  •  I rather pity his alcohol awareness classmates. (3+ / 0-)
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    They won't relish the inevitable media attention this guy's presence will draw.

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    by jwinIL14 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 10:54:11 AM PST

  •  Hello my suspicious/guilty radar (10+ / 0-)

    "I left my apartment, driving out past the monuments.  I was alone during this drive and never left my vehicle.  After driving around for approximately 30 to 40 minutes, I realized what a mistake it had been for me to drive and decided to return to my apartment."
    Taking in the sights that I see every day. Alone. In my car at all times. Realizing I shouldn't be driving, so I drove home.

    http://www.ktvb.com/...

    I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

    by hulibow on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 11:15:00 AM PST

    •  Does anyone know enough about DC to (0+ / 0-)

      tell whether Crapo's described route took him close to any spots notorious for streetwalkers or so?

      Repeal the 2nd amendment.

      by Calouste on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:51:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I live in Alexandria (0+ / 0-)

        Go into DC quite a bit. Some places when you come off of the GW Parkway are kinda sketchy and I wouldn't be surprised if there are prostitutes there (husband is a cop and says they are a problem in Alexandria.) If he took the 14th street bridge and then 395, there's not much but highway there. Anyone know where in the city he was picked up? I'd be able to tell you exactly what kind of area it is since I know the city very well.

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        by fille americaine on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:26:49 PM PST

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  •  The charge for running a red light was dropped... (2+ / 0-)
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    So it's almost like it never happened! Thanks Mormon God!

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    by Guile Of The Gods on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:32:46 PM PST

    •  Not exactly "never happened" (1+ / 0-)
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      Suspended license for a year - that's got to hurt. And 180 day jail sentence hanging overhead if there's any more incidents. Not to mention some degree of embarassment at the publicity, to be revisited when attending the mandatory class.

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      by Catte Nappe on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:13:57 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Crapo's punishment is similar to mine (18+ / 0-)

    48, no criminal record and I got pulled over for speeding last year after having a few beers at a friends.  Blew right at the limit of .08.

    Lost my license for 30 days...completely.  Then got it back until my court date.  

    At that point, I lost my license for another year (with limited privilege for work and household maintenance).  I paid $720 on the day of my conviction for fines ($200), court costs, community service fees, etc.

    More than that for an attorney.  $100 for a drug/alocohol evaluation and then $160 for the class for which I had to drive 100 miles round trip for 5 straight days as there wasn't one available in my remote corner of the world.

    Insurance went up 340% which will cost my over $3000 over the next 3 years.

    I made a mistake and I'm willing to pay but IMHO, the punishment for 1st time offenders is more that is required to make the point.

    I work from home and have suffered minimally from dealing with this punishment.  However, I saw many people in my class whose will pay even more.  Lost jobs, broken families....all to prove a point that has already been made.

    My issue with Crapo is his hypocrisy and portraying himself as a non-drinker for political gain.  No problem with his punishment that in the bigger scheme is actually more oppressive than it needs to be.

    If you disagree, exactly what should happen to someone who gets caught driving after a few drinks?  Lock 'em up so we guarantee they lose their livlihood too which already happens to many people?

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    by FarmerG on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:34:23 PM PST

    •  Thank you for your constructive comment! n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      There is no hell on earth appropriate enough for those who would promote the killing of another person, in the name of a god.

      by HarryParatestis on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:56:19 PM PST

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    •  Penalties are harsh because of the number of (8+ / 0-)

      deaths causes by drunk driving.  My 13 yr old cousin was killed as a passenger in a car that was hit by a drunk driver. My friend lost her dad the same way. In fact, sadly I know a few people who lost loved ones because a drunk driver hit them and it was the first offense for the driver.  That is why it is so stiff and seems quite harsh...too many deaths and accidents because of some drunk drivers.

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      by wishingwell on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:19:25 PM PST

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      •  And old friend of mine (2+ / 0-)
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        Was at school for graduation (she was on the committee) and her family was killed by a DUI on the way to see her graduate.

        It was his second fatal DUI.

        I have no patience for it.

        I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

        by trumpeter on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:25:50 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Me either and my best friend has even less (0+ / 0-)

          patience. This is because her dad was in the process of trying to get custody of her from her abusive mother.  And with his death, she was left with this monster of a mother who abused her physically and emotionally.  She was all alone after her dad died with no one to help her. Teachers ignored her pleas as well as administrators and social workers. They would tell her she should be lucky to have a mother who makes a lot of money and buys her nice things.  It was horrible.

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          by wishingwell on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 08:40:55 AM PST

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    •  I know it seemed harsh to you, but was it (0+ / 0-)

      the first time you ever drove after having a few beers that might have had you blowing 0.08, the legal limit? Suppose you'd had a lapse in judgement and caused an accident that resulting in someone else losing their life? Imagine how horrible you'd feel for the rest of your life. Imagine how horrible the victim's family would feel for the rest of their lives.

      Maybe you were lucky, really. It could have been much worse.

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      by Lily O Lady on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:45:38 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Perhaps that was the first and only time you (0+ / 0-)

      drove over the limit. In my own circle of acquaintances, though, the only one to have a DUI was someone who routinely drove after drinking enough to be well over the limit, and I think that is much more common than someone who just one time breaks the law and gets caught that one time. The penalties in part reflect the fact that many times the person has broken the law often but not been caught.



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      by Wee Mama on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:54:49 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  It was not the first time (0+ / 0-)

      I'm 48. And no, It wasn't the first time in my life I'd driven when I was likely over the legal limit.

      But I've been driving for 32 years.  I was not hammered.  I do not make a habit of driving while hammered.  I was not driving dangerously and was pulled over for going 10 MPH over the speed limit (65 in a 55).

      And I've paid the price.  

      What I have a problem with is the implication that Crapo is getting off easy.  He isn't.  He's getting the usual treatment which is much tougher than it used to be.

      And if you think that isn't enough of a price to pay, then you wish to live in a more punitive, lock em up environment that will only escalate the cost of our "tough on crime" philosophy.

      There is a ying and a yang to everything.  Just sharing my personal experience.

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      by FarmerG on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:08:58 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  One law for the rich and powerful... (2+ / 0-)
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    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:34:44 PM PST

  •  How many times? (2+ / 0-)
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    The average number of times a person drives drunk before being caught is something like 80, iirc. An intrepid reporter might ask Crapo whether this is his first time driving drunk, the odds being incredibly low that it would be.

    "I must create a system or be enslaved by another man's." - William Blake

    by Tod Westlake on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:36:14 PM PST

  •  I Don't Care Why Crapo Was in VA (3+ / 0-)
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    and it's none of my business why, unless he was selling state secrets to a foreign government, or otherwise violating his oath of office.

    I don't read Daily Kos for the muckraking.

    Yet, like you, I remain distressed that some of us are more equal than others in the eyes of justice.  The blindfold seems to have slipped too far for justice to ever be blind in this country again.

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    by Limelite on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:39:49 PM PST

    •  I really don't care either (1+ / 0-)
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      But I do care that he's setting himself up to be a moral authority (like so many of the Repukes) and not living by his own rules. THEN, I think it is my business! I don't really care what he does in his private life, but when he tries to force his "moral majority" BS down everyone's throat, I think it's our duty to expose him for the hypocrite he is to discredit his bankrupt agenda.

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      by fille americaine on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:29:31 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Capos fine (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not a fan of Senator Capo, but has anyone compared his sentence to other first time offenders for the same crime in the same jurisdiction?

  •  "laying around in his D.C. apartment" (3+ / 0-)
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    Inland, Gordon20024, ellefarr

    Lying, dammit, lying.  

    (Sorry, got linguistically critical reading that Icelandic diary.)

  •  Is this out of line (2+ / 0-)
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    relative to the typical first-time DUI conviction in Virginia?

    Sounds about average for the states I do know about, but I don't claim any knowledge of how tough Virginia is.

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    by jrooth on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:43:10 PM PST

  •  "Yeah, I you know when I drink alone/ (4+ / 0-)

    I prefer to be by myself." - George Thorogood.

    You think you can have more fun blogging about Republicans in your state?

    Take at look at these jabs:

    From Sisyphus Idaho:  

        I'm feeling restless. I think I'll go for a drive. --not said by a drunk 61 year old at night ever.

    And

        ... Interesting that he was now drinking vodka tonics. So let me get this straight. The senate adjourned on December 21 due to return December 26. His family is in (Idaho Falls). He's still in DC 48 hours later, drinking, alone and restless. Not passing the smell test.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...
  •  This is too harsh (2+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe, esp13

    I have no love for Crapo, and would love to see his kind vanish from the political scene, but he didn't fight the charge and accepted a standard first-time offender sentence.  I get schadenfreude, but this strikes me as over the top.

  •  Oops... (3+ / 0-)
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    In his police mugshot above, it sure doesn't look like he's got his Mormon underwear on, as his shirt is strikingly unbuttoned. Inquiring minds want to know. Where is the underwear?

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    by annrose on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:52:11 PM PST

  •  "on the condition of good behavior" (1+ / 0-)
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    HarryParatestis

    can I be the decider? I'd love to judge his votes as good or bad behavior.

    "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:53:20 PM PST

  •  As I recall, Limbaugh was all for throwing drug (4+ / 0-)

    addicts in the slammer for life until he thought he might be sharing a cell with one.  Hypocritical assholes like him & Crapo deserve all the contempt we can heap on them.  They EARN it on a daily basis.

  •  Is this any different than any other first (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Catte Nappe

    offender would get?  It frankly doesn't sound all that different than what other first offenders get.  The fine seems a tad low, especially given VA speeding fines, but otherwise the punishment seems to be about what a first offender of drunk driving would get.

  •  As a first offender sentence (2+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe, esp13

    the sentence is completely typical.  It would have been astonishing to see a first offender do jail time (most criminal and quasi-criminal statutes presume against jail time for many first offenders) and even more unusual to see the senetnce for a lesser included offense--the red light-- added to the penalty. Nobody got hurt, or killed, and there wasn't even any property damage. If there had been, of course, then we would be looking at a very different set of laws and sentencing rules.

    This diary is simply a rant against someone whose politics and religion you don't like. If all hypocritical assholes deserved hanging, we'd be Texas.  

    Lighten up.

  •  Wow. I sure ain't no "Senator's Son." (4+ / 0-)
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    "Some folks are born/Made to wave the flag/Ooh, they're read white and blue.
    .......
    "It ain't me."

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    by Wildthumb on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 01:59:09 PM PST

  •  This nowhere as much fun as when Wilber Mills (9+ / 0-)

    ran into the Tidal Basin of the Potomic River in the company of Fanne Fox, the Argentine Firecracker when he was the head of the Ways and Means Committee. The little dity going around was, She was just a stripper from the Silver Slipper but she had her ways and means.

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  •  For sure there was a hooker or... (0+ / 1-)
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    Wee Mama

    For sure there was probably a hooker or tranny involved.  Nothing surprises me with these guys.  Some newsrag will be investigating this guy knowing full well this is most likely not the first time he has succumbed to his urges.  His wife and kids?  No doubt they were the last thing on his mind when the Hooker/tranny was servicing him...

  •  He got drunk at home, then drove "to wind down"? (4+ / 0-)

    I'm calling shenanigans on that story.  I wonder where he really was.

  •  I realize this is a minority view, but ... (3+ / 0-)
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    ... it's apparently a first offense and I'd say that the penalty was about what one would expect; and further, I'd say it was appropriate.

    Thank goodness he didn't hurt anyone, of course. But he didn't -- so we try to educate him and we get him off the road for a year. For the average person without access to public transportation, suspending his or her driver's license for a year is a huge deal.

    It's not a slap on the wrist. Maybe you want to put every person caught driving under the influence (for the first time, no injuries or property damage) in jail for 180 days. But I don't.

    As to what voters think, his church thinks or what we think -- that's extralegal. I might and probably do disagree with Crappo on just about everything. But I hope he learns from this, as I would hope so for anyone who did what he did; and if he has an alcohol problem, I hope he can beat it.

  •  gotta like the (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm betting he just dropped off the hooker(s) at the hotel...

    In which case he's really grateful to have this "behind him".

  •  I worked at the DMV (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    And it seemed to me that when it came to DUIs, money is what mattered. A good attorney seemed to have a huge impact over a public defender. Some people with good attorneys would be getting their license back after the third DUI quicker then people that had 2 and had a public defender.

    Anyways, substance use and abuse is always a tricky issue. This article is pretty damn harsh. Also, we in the US are so weird when it comes to alcohol use. I do not think having a drink alone is a bad thing. Self-Medicating with alcohol (as Capo apparently admitted too) is the real dangerous issue.

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    by 815Sox on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:01:20 PM PST

  •  Not getting off so easily; pretty normal sentence (0+ / 0-)

    For 1st offense.

    BUT, NO INTERLOCK???

    1 yr suspension kinda makes up for the no interlock....

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    by caseynm on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:03:03 PM PST

  •  The penalty is (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    basically the same in many other jurisdictions -- CT is about the same fine plus 6 months suspension for first offense.  You have to take a 6 week course as well.  Then you can get a temp license to drive back and forth only to work.

    Other than that -- I couldn't give a shite about why Crapo was in D.C. before Christmas and hypocrisy is fundamental to all Republicans and many Democrats.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:03:53 PM PST

  •  I'm all for bashing Republican senators (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Catte Nappe, esp13

    but he really didn't get a "slap on the wrist."  That's a pretty standard penalty for a 1st offense DUI in Virginia.

  •  Closer to the Appalachian Trail (6+ / 0-)

    than Idaho, I suppose.

    Despite Crapo's insistence that this is all over now, the question still remains: Why was Crapo in Virginia on the Sunday before Christmas instead of Idaho, with his wife and five children, after all his fellow members of Congress had gone home for the holiday?
    .

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    by ROGNM on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:09:43 PM PST

  •  I know there's some kind of (2+ / 0-)
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    Crapola bullshit answer to your last question. It'll all come out in the wash soon.

    His pic=puffy drunk.

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    by OleHippieChick on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:10:27 PM PST

  •  This is a standard 1st offense disposition (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    esp13

    He didn't "get off easy because he's a senator."  Ted Kennedy drove drunk and killed a woman.  How long should he have spent in jail?

    Or are we only hardasses against political opponents?

  •  I guess it doesn't fit the narrative (2+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe, esp13

    of outrage that I'm supposed to feel, but I'm missing where this constitutes "getting off easy"? There's no indication that this was anything other than a first offense DUI? A year's suspended license, guilty plea and small fine. Sounds about normal to me. It's not Sheriff Joe's Arizona, so did the author think the guy was going to jail or something? And if so, why?

  •  Sentence is normal but… (1+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe

    Of course zero tolerance for DWI but a just penalty is difficult. The problem with this situation is that because there is no sliding-scale for the income of offender Crapo does get off easy.

    With his wealth and position it is inconvenient for him to suffer the standard penalty.

    Maybe stiffer penalties might make us feel better but for most of us this penalty would be devastating. A single parent, a low income wage earner or worse an unemployed person would be very hard put to handle this.

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    by Bill Section 147 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:16:51 PM PST

  •  Shall we play "What if it was a Democrat"? (2+ / 0-)
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    Let's say it was a Democratic Senator caught like this. Do you suppose for even an instant that the popular media silence that's provided such a soft landing for Sen. Crapo would cosset our hypothetical Democrat?

    Please mark your choice below:

    _ No

    _ Hell no

    No, Faux would be on this with wall-to-wall coverage, "reporters" in the field would be doing their best to re-trace the miscreant's alleged car tour, and wherever the available facts were thinnest, they'd gleefully fill in with the most damning things they could think of.

    The rest of the popular media would resist the siren song of controversy for about an hour or so, then they would (sadly and with much, much reluctance) join in the frenzy of speculation. Senator Democrat would be hounded, quizzed repeatedly over his or her drinking habits, driving habits, and any discrepancy real or imagined in the various "facts" reported on Faux.

    The reward for going easy on Crapo? He'll be Senator for life (or as long as he want to keep running), and Republican resolve will harden even more, as they see how weak the reaction has been to Crapo's crime.

    •  He'll be a Senator for life anyway (0+ / 0-)

      Especially if the left keeps hammering at him.  That will just make him a matyr and hero in Idaho.  Trust me, I live here.

      The guy had a first time DUI and owned up to it.  The rest is between he and his church and he and his wife.  I'll gladly fight for his defeat in the next election, but not because he got a DUI.  

      •  I live in Oregon (0+ / 0-)

        So I'm sort of familiar with the current state of Idaho politics. Certainly the Republicans closed ranks for Sen. Craig, and there are really no prospects for a Democratic insurgency into the political scene.

        But I don't see much of a downside for making Sen. Crapo a martyr and a hero in his corner of the world, when it can make him a pariah in the rest of it. Crapo got caught and that right badly. He didn't own up to anything that wasn't part of an official police report, and there are any number of details that have gone missing, questions that have gone unasked.

        When I consider what happened to Anthony Weiner, the disgraceful maligning of Max Cleland, and on and on, I think a little sauce is due for the gander as well. Maybe it won't make any difference in the make-up of the Senate considering the state of Idaho politics - swapping out one creepy tea-bagger type for another - but it surely won't make any difference as long as one side consistenly gets away with bad behavior.

  •  America needs a drink to survive the GOP (0+ / 0-)

    America is primed and ready for an astonishing economic rebound and a positive trend in overall prosperity. Jobs are being created, more appear to be on the way, and the public is convinced that we will do better in the future. Sadly, one giant roadblock stands in the way of a new American revival. House Republicans seem dead set litigation issues decided for them by voters in this last election. Barack Obama won handily, but the Tea Party literally refuses to accept that new, bright reality. Conservatives are taking the country hostage and turning routine governmental functions into life and death struggles with the fate of our very democracy at stake. How can this nation operate with these thugs able to sabotage any meaningful growth?   -  progressive

  •  I call BULLSHIT! (1+ / 0-)
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    He's a hypocrite like so many others with their "family values" and "abstinence" and "fidelity."

    As my father used to say, "Nothing good happens after midnight, so you be home to stay before then."

    Oh! The temptation the good Senator must have been suffering....or not.

  •  He should have bed down with a male companion (0+ / 0-)

    to relieve stress.  Like a good, normal GOP bible thumper.

  •  shame, shame, shame... (0+ / 0-)

    Hypocrisy, double standards everywhere, and not an ounce of justice for the poor or common man.

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

    by dkmich on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:36:45 PM PST

  •  $250??? (1+ / 0-)
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    I've gotten speeding tickets that cost more than $250. Hell you can get a parking ticket for more than $250 in San Francisco.

    And they dismissed the red light ticket why? Because he got caught doing something worse at the same time? Makes sense to me!

    A normal person would at least get sentenced to community service, have a much higher fine, and possibly go to jail.

    •  Seems to be the standard fine in VA (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      esp13

      For both normal and abnormal people.

      Note that he is also without his license for a year - going ot be especially tough in his home state.

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      by Catte Nappe on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:06:14 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  He is going to spend a couple thousand (0+ / 0-)

      on getting a breathilizer license and equipment.

  •  REMEMBER THIS? (0+ / 0-)

    THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. -- L. Ron Hubbard Technique 88

    by xenubarb on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:46:35 PM PST

  •  I think that they story that he has provided so (0+ / 0-)

    far is very full of Crapo!

    And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

    by MrJersey on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 02:47:24 PM PST

  •  From My Experience (0+ / 0-)

    This is pretty typical for a person pleading guilty on a first offense.

  •  all'ya'all are silly (1+ / 0-)
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    Troubadour

    he just got back from hiking on the appalachian trail

  •  He was in Virginia... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...to spend more time with his family.

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:29:02 PM PST

  •  Plead Republican to any crime (1+ / 0-)
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    get an instant pass and a free blowjob in Atlantic City.

    In Roviet Union, money spends YOU.

    by Troubadour on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:42:00 PM PST

  •  Just a quick quip on saying he "got off easy" (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't know what a normal sentence for a 1st time DUI that resulted in no injury or property damage but in upstate NY, most people in his exact situation would only lose their license for 6 months and even during that time, a Conditional license would be an option for a first time offender. The fines are usually higher but I still wouldn't say he got off easy or got special treatment, at least from my perspective in NY. Maybe in VA it's different and people go regularly go to jail for their first offense?

    Let's not let 2014 be anything like 2010. Republicans only win when we stay home!

    by Tim D M on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 03:45:24 PM PST

  •  To be fair... (0+ / 0-)

    It would seem that what the good (and drunk) senator received as "punishment" from the court is in line with the typical sentencing of first time DUI offenders in Virginia.

    With that said, as someone that is a public servant and should be a role model, these legal "consequences" should not be the end of it. Many people I know would have their employment terminated for a DUI. As a senator, at the very least, he should be shamed mightily on the floor of the senate and attend comprehensive alcohol & drug education and treatment.

    His final verdict will be registered by his constituents.

    •  You mean typically they DROP running a red? (0+ / 0-)

      Geebus. I hope that's not true.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:56:54 PM PST

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      •  No, but what is the typical penalty for running a (1+ / 0-)
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        red? Probably a relatively small fine, and the judge or prosecutor should have taken the opportunity to hammer him on that.

        Look, I don't want to come off as defending this dumbass, but lets be real. He got exactly what the average Joe or Jane would have for a first DUI. Does that indicate a larger problem with DUI law? Maybe.

        I'm just not sure what the point of this diary is when considering typical DUI case.

        I in CT and a "friend" of mine had his 2nd DUI last year when he ran a red and hit an oncoming car...with my sister in his passenger seat! You know what he got? Something like 1 year license suspension, 18 month suspended sentence, and like a $500 fine. He blew a .13 (which is HAMMERED drunk). Our DUI laws in CT are in line with the country's strictest, and he pretty much walked away with the same terms for a 2nd DUI as the senator got for his first.

        All I am saying is that, lets not pretend as if the senator got some kind of massive preferential treatment in this case, but it does seem that a sitting congressman or senator or whatever, should be held to a higher standard.

        •  I think in CA it's $480 from what I have read. (0+ / 0-)

          However, running a red when drunk (aggravated factor) can make this seriously worse, and the fines/etc. quite high w/ mandatory probation, loss of license, and so forth.

          I have never--and will never--get a DUI as I just don't do it. I either don't drink or don't drive. That I survived the odds of doing so as a youth is certainly not lost on me.

           

          202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

          by cany on Sat Jan 05, 2013 at 07:43:38 PM PST

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  •  All animals are equal, but........................ (0+ / 0-)

    “The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius

    by LamontCranston on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 04:49:46 PM PST

  •  Say that right who was he drinking with? (0+ / 0-)

    usually when driving drunk your leaving someplace where you don't live to get home or where you're staying if away from home.

  •  So Happy (0+ / 0-)

    My cousin had to do a day in jail, an interlock device on his car, alcohol education class, a MADD impact statement and 90-day license suspension.

    All he should have done was state how sorry he was and bring up religion. None of the other stuff would have happened.

  •  What the fuck? (0+ / 0-)

    Has anyone here not run a red light, or drove drunk, or both?

    Those you have never ever done this can leave...... ...... ....

    Nobody? I didn't think so.

    Have none of you ever been a hypocrite? NT Greek, merely an "actor." Claiming a purity, or noble character maybe not totally deserved?

    Nobody? I didn't think so.

    Chill.

  •  Ummm... thats what most everybody can get for 1st (0+ / 0-)

    The DWI laws in this country are nuts, so to make up for the absurdly harsh and arbitrary rules, almost everybody who didn't actively endanger lives can get that plea deal. The price is a breathilizer which will register every stick of gum, toothbrushing and orange juice you drink before trying to start your car, then charge you an additional 40-60 bucks for the false positive.

    DWI is a huge business in this country, making millionaires out of a few people who then use that money to push for harsher (and more profitable) DWI penalties.

    Mock the senator for being a hypocrite, but the laws are just awful, and what happened to him could happen to anyone who foolishly admits to drinking anything at any point on the same day they get pulled over.

  •  what did anyone suspect? (0+ / 0-)

    GOP hypocrite suspect, rigged court system?

    it's been like this forever

    comment pending... ;-)

    by paulacvdw on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:44:42 PM PST

  •  At least he didn't (0+ / 0-)

    drive drunk, kill someone...and swim away!

  •  I represent indigent clients in NOVA (0+ / 0-)

    Actually, I was pleased to see that Crapo received the same sentence that an indigent defendant who committed a first offense without an elevated (.15 or higher) BAC would receive in Alexandria.  

    Most NOVA jurisdictions will give fully suspended sentences for a typical first offense.  Loudoun might be an exception.  Crapo blew a .14 on the Intoximeter.  You'll spend at least a night in jail with that BAC in Loudoun.

    Also, any attorney worth his fee is getting that red light ticket dropped as part of any deal.

    Oh, and to those who think a highly paid attorney will get you a better outcome than a PD:  the pricey folks might do two a week.  We do two a day.  Who do you think knows more about how to handle those cases?

  •  To be fair (0+ / 0-)

    His punishment, for a first offence, seems in the ballpark. Perhaps the fine was a bit low, but losing your license for a year and 180 days suspended seems about right.

  •  dui (0+ / 0-)

    nothing personal but that is what you or i would get in indiana. then high risk insurance for 3 years, if memory serves me. several k a year not several hundred. that is minimum coverage. sorry but i can't find spell check. billy

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