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Our new congress, the house, is illegitimate.  The republicans lost the congressional popular vote by nearly a million and a half votes.  Yet this one branch, led by a party that that actually lost the election, threatened to take us over a cliff and now threatens the world economy.  

Damn it Dems, tell the loosers that the people have spoken.  

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  •  It's not illegitimate. (1+ / 0-)
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    It has been an accepted part of political life forever that state legislatures have the power to draw district lines. And they generally do it to favor the majority party in the state legislature. Democrats do it as much as Republicans do it.

    Republicans won a tremendous number of state legislatures in 2010, giving them the right to draw the lines to favor their party. If Democrats had won those seats, they would have drawn the lines to favor Democrats.

    Until we make political gerrymandering illegal, you can't say it is illegitimate.

  •  So legal is always legitimate? (1+ / 0-)
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    No, it is not.  And yes I can say so.

    •  semantics (0+ / 0-)

      I didn't say gerrymandering was a good thing. I think we probably agree that gerrymandering is unfair. And that we should probably come up with a better way of drawing lines. (We just adopted a commission in California, and it seems to be working so far.) And that maybe gerrymandering should even be illegal.

      But it's not illegitimate. It's perfectly legitimate within certain limits that have been established by the courts. Unless you're using a different definition of the word than I'm using.

  •  No, Joe is right (1+ / 0-)
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    Whether or not the Democrats got a majority of all the votes cast really is not relevant.

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 09:56:06 AM PST

  •  So where is this enshrined as a standard? (1+ / 0-)
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    the [nationwide] congressional popular vote
    Aside from the "fairness" gene many seem infected with.
    •  Majority rule (0+ / 0-)

      That's the concept.  Our complex system of voting and counting votes is designed, at every turn, to decrease democracy.  It is a disgrace.  Being numb to it is not a virtue, nor does it show that you are a "realist."  in Australia and other democracies, there is a national board that draws the boundaries of legislative districts.  We should do the same.  If the national government isn't charged with protecting the democratic nature of our republic, then it won't get done.

  •  Typo in your text - 2nd paragraph (0+ / 0-)

    "Looser" should read "loser."

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