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Franchise owners from every fast food chain seem to want a piece of the "bad publicity for saying they'll screw workers because Obamacare" action. Up now, Taco Bell, thanks to an Oklahoma franchise owner:
Johnna Davis has worked at the Taco Bell in Guthrie since September. She's seen a 200 dollar cut in her paycheck since a new store policy went into effect.

"What we were being told was one thing, and that was, ‘we're going to offer benefits, we'll just keep all of our full time employees and then come December, their whole story changed," Johnna Davis said.

She says her manager held a meeting before Christmas, saying employees' hours would be cut in the new year.

"They informed everybody that nobody was considered full-time any longer, that everybody was now considered part-time, and [they] would be cutting hours back to 28 hours or less due to Obamacare," Davis said.

Under the Affordable Care Act, companies are required to provide insurance to its full-time employees, or face fines. Davis would've qualified for an insurance plan.

John Aravosis asks and answers a key question: Why are all these restaurant owners making these cuts now when the part of the Affordable Care Act requiring businesses with at least 50 full-time equivalent employees to provide health insurance doesn't even kick in until 2014?
The more these big brands like Wendy’s and Taco Bell strike out against their blue collar employees supposedly because of an Obamacare provision that reportedly doesn’t even apply to them yet, the more it sounds like these are Republican companies simply trying to save money by making a political statement about a Democratic program and Democratic President they don’t like.
Exactly. This isn't really about how much it would cost—as we've discussed, the price increases resulting from restaurants insuring their workers would be very small even if the restaurants passed along the full cost to customers. And while it will doubtless take some managers time to get keeping every worker under 30 hours of work every week down to a science, they don't need a full year of practice. No, the post-election wave of Darden and Papa John's and Denny's and Wendy's and Taco Bell executives and franchise owners announcing the punitive measures they'd be taking against workers because of Obamacare isn't some kind of coincidence or marker of how much planning and hard work it takes to keep low-wage workers poor. It's a political move, a statement of how important it is to the restaurant industry to keep wages and benefits rock bottom.

Aravosis also notes that "There are employees at Taco Bell and Wendy’s who are touching our food and who don’t have adequate health insurance, and thus adequate health care? And they’re touching our food." Well, yes. Also, 90 percent of food service workers don't have paid sick leave. So unless you live in one of the few cities or the one state that have mandated paid sick leave, then absolutely. Sick workers are touching your food, because they have no choice if they want to pay the rent.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:49 PM PST.

Also republished by In Support of Labor and Unions and Daily Kos.

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  •  We need to organize a "Don't eat out" day in (7+ / 0-)

    protest of how fast food workers are being treated --- or maybe a "Don't eat out week."

  •  Why Now? Same Reason They Went Crazy After (9+ / 0-)

    inauguration day in 09.

    They want to get 2 years of attack messaging in before the midterms.

    They got a historic win with that approach. It's always campaign time.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:57:06 PM PST

  •  Everything about that operation (7+ / 0-)

    is cheap, cheap, cheap, from the velveeta cheez nachos to the bready tortillas. Why shouldn't this extend to the way management treats its employees?

    If you're in the Southwest, or else in any American metropolitan area, decent Mexican food isn't hard to find.  Avail yourself.

    Shun Taco Hell.

    Thanks for the diary.

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    by karmsy on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:03:45 PM PST

  •  I have a very hard time believing these places (3+ / 0-)
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    ever had full time employees to begin with.  Does anyone have any data on how many people at fast food jobs work 40 hours a week. I would think they were already only having people do 36-38 hours, to avoid paying benefits.

    •  When I worked fast food, there were 4 (3+ / 0-)
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      full times employees. The general manager, the kitchen manager, and two other people that had worked there for eons and were friends of the franchisee. The rest of the 40+ employees were working 20-30 hours a week, which often meant you ended up 40-50 hours a week when people randomly called off or just didn't show up.

    •  We will find out... (2+ / 0-)
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      Someone was wondering why they would need to initiate this policy now despite the effective date of the provision being 2014.

      Say you take a full time worker and cut his hours in half to 20 hours, what happens?

      1) Well some people will quit entirely and they need to be replaced. Hiring the replacement and training them will take time.

      2) If you cut 10 employees hours to 20 hours, then you now need 10 more employees, again, hiring and training them will take time.

      Now, why would any restaurant want to wait until the provision kicks in?

      If a restaurant does that then they need to start providing health care the day the provision takes effect for their 40 hour workers, thus it makes sense to replace them and reduce them before hand so they are ready with as few 40 hour workers as possible (or even zero 40 hour workers) the day the provision takes effect and dodge the Obamacare tax from day one.

      Moreover, President Obama has promised higher corporate taxes, so I'd imagine that these companies are in no mood to wait until that happens to start saving costs so they can pay those higher tax rates. If I owned a restaurant, I'd do the same thing. After all, someone has to pay the cost of those tax increases and its sure is not going to come out of profit, why should that happen? That is not fair to the people that own the business.

      Additionally, cutting full time staff also saves these companies on other costs that full time workers receive too.

      With the Obama economy making the US worse off than we were in 2008, I'd presume these companies are preferential to starting to save as much money as they can as quickly as they can.


      •  George? (4+ / 0-)
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        With the Obama economy making the US worse off than we were in 2008, I'd presume these companies are preferential to starting to save as much money as they can as quickly as they can.
        Really?   we are "worse off" than we were in 2008?

        OK, you just outed yourself, so I will give you one slap back.

        Maryland tried to get the arch enemy of all working, middle class people in the USA Walmart t, to pay 8% of their wages into health care for their employees  rather than hire them part time, then handed out sheets that detailed how to qualify for Medicaid , as if they were destitute or close to it. That Medicaid meant other worker's taxes, other state residents had to carry the burden of providing Medical Health Coverage that a company with 263 billion dollars in sales was too cheap to provide its employees but was good for 100 billion dollars to the offspring of the founder.

        There are thousands and thousands of companies that are successful, and growing and much much smaller than a Walmart or the parent of Taco Bell or Pepsi or other franchise operation.  They offer hea!lth care! not excuses!

        You can stop crying a river for the hit to the millionaires and billionaires dividend payouts. If they can't afford a living wage and health benefits in their very profitable businesses , they need to move over and give it up to someone who can.either do it or get out of the way.

        Even slaves prior to 1865 were treated better than what workers for those companies I mentioned are treated as today and  worse is intended for them starting right now.

        Obamacare, the Patient's ACA is a start, and a good one, even if it very modest at present. Your preaching doom and resignation and attempts to sink it with your late arriving 642214 johnny come lately number  is duly noted. And rejected.

      •  Pepco Had -57% Tax Rate for '08-'10 (1+ / 0-)
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        Kinda hard not to have your corporate tax rate increased when your effective tax rate for 2008 to 2010 was -57%.  Yes,  Pepco, parent corporation of Taco Bell paid -57%, please note that is a minus sign preceding the 57 which indicates that not only did they not pay any corporate tax, but actually got money from the government.  

        The American business model is failing the public, but, of course, that is feature and not a bug.    

        Poor man wants to be rich. Rich man wants to king. And the king ain't satisifed until he rules everything. B.Springsteen

        by howd on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 08:33:18 PM PST

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  •  My waistline isn't going to like me (6+ / 0-)

    but I feel another weekend trip to support my locally owned fast food place, Dick's Drive Ins, is in order.

    Somehow they manage to offer benefits, college scholarships, child care and give  to charity without complaint.

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:15:00 PM PST

  •  We eat at Taco Bell at least once a week (4+ / 0-)
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    But I'd be willing to make my own tacos. Screw them.

  •  Their food is garbage.. (0+ / 0-)

    But worse than that, it's just another example of companies being immoral. It's one the if a corp is amoral. I could accept that. But they all have become immoral. See Hewlett Packard for example.

    It's time.

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    by Cpqemp on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:27:59 PM PST

  •  Here is the contact (3+ / 0-)
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    information for the company that owns the Guthrie Taco Bell Franchise:

    Treadwell Enterprises, Inc
    3880 W. Battlefield Rd  
    Springfield, MO 65807
    Phone: (417) 883-3600 | Fax: (417) 889-3900

    I wrote a diary about it yesterday.

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    by Noddy on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:32:41 PM PST

  •  Frankly, we had it coming. (0+ / 0-)

    .... Personally, and probably because I'm cynical--

    I was never a proponent of Obamacare as a whole - it was a feather in the cap gesture of successful legislation, just one more win for the insurance industry, a policy riddled with holes and loopholes for the non-middle class and the impoverished, and a plan that was sure to cause 'blowback.'

    We need fully implemented socialized medicine.

    And without enticements of money, like the prospects of gun control- it isn't going to happen...

    That is...  unless and when the tea bag constituency loses their health ins in masse- and somehow, someone convinces them that Fox is lying and it is their representatives to blame.

    People who say they don't care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don't care what people think. -George Carlin

    by downtownLALife on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:35:36 PM PST

  •  Odd way of linking. (2+ / 0-)
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    Are you trying to maximize clicks to DKos pages?  The "price increases resulting from restaurants insuring their workers would be very small" link goes to another DKos diary, which in turn leads to another, and only then can you click over to the Forbes page that gives the underlying evidence.

  •  I have no idea whether TB (0+ / 0-)

    is doing this out of necessity or not, but I do know that this particular provision is a tax on hiring full time employees, which also means its a disincentive to hire full time employees.

    Not sure how anyone can deny that.

    Rather than it being a requirement for full timers, the requirement to provide healthcare should be proportional to hours worked.  In that case, there is no financial disincentive to have full timers as the tax is just on total hours, not total hours per person.  

    I think this is just a case of politicians writing law that makes them look like they are "sticking it to the man" rather than writing law that will yield certain results.  There are so many other reasons that full time employment is superior to an employee than is part time, so taxing it is not good.  

    •  You seem to miss the point (0+ / 0-)

      If the tax on hiring were proportional to hours, then these companies would just simply make their employees into contractors, and if they could not do that they would just reduce employees.

      Would it make you feel any better to talk into a clown at the drive-through and hear someone in India or the Philippines taking your order?

      Why do so many people fail to realize that the Obamacare tax is not going to come from profits, it is going to come from either customers (I am sure we'll soon see the elimination of the 99 cent burger), or from employees, either way, the very people he intends to help will be hurt the most by this legislation.

      Whom will be served by fast food prices rising due to Obamacare?

      Are these restaurants not the respites of the indigent, poor and middle class?


  •  My diet is going to be SO much healthier! (0+ / 0-)

    Robber Baron "ReTHUGisms": John D. Rockefeller -"The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets"; Jay Gould -"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."

    by ranton on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:36:32 PM PST

  •  Obamacare? (2+ / 0-)
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    That is a lie.  They are just covering up the price increase/food inflation the drought has caused.  Last year the meat producers (chicken, beef, pork) thinned their herds due to lack of water and high grain prices.  Thus, smaller supply get you higher prices.

    Boycott?  How about a no eat taco Wed. in some random places though out the world.  Or a no eat breakfast at Micky D Mon.  Put uncertainty in their business model.

  •  Yo Quiero (4+ / 0-)
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    not having to go to the ER for medical care.

    "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

    by greendem on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:06:32 PM PST

  •  Is there a list of the restaurants that have (3+ / 0-)

    made such announcements?  It would be handy to have a one stop shop for where not to eat.

    I only eat at the local establishments, but I know that my son eats at chain restaurants.  I would like to check a website before giving in to his begging for a trip to Olive Garden, Chili's or Chevy's.

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    by Sychotic1 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:07:03 PM PST

  •  Crappy food, crappy politics. (1+ / 0-)
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    There's a pattern here, isn't there?

  •  I've haven't eaten their crap food since college (1+ / 0-)
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    And I encourage everyone to not eat their crap food, especially if you care about your health

  •  Damn...and I like the occaisonal Taco Bell visit (1+ / 0-)
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    for some guilty-pleasure junk food.  Oh well, there are a few taco trucks that are just as easy to get to.  Good-bye, Taco Bell.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:17:02 PM PST

    •  I occasionally get Taco Bell stuff when my wife (1+ / 0-)
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      and I want something cheap. All my wife gets, and is quite satisfied with them, are two tostadas, which have some pinto beans in them. It's the only time for some reason my wife will eat beans, which are good antioxidant foods, so I get them. (My wife would live on junk solely if I didn't vary our menu. Eating "goldfish" crackers all day would satisfy her on some days.)  We don't get stuff there that often, and just because some Republican in Oklahoma cuts his employee hours, doesn't mean that the local Taco Bell in Long Beach, CA is doing it. I'll ask them next time, and if their hours are being cut here I'll reconsider.

      I've already eliminated Wendy's, Walmart, Chick-Fil-A, Papa John's, and a host of others. Hey, a few beans once in a while.....

      Any food that any Kossack mentions here will offend some other Kossack, and I'm not going to be absolutely "pure" about the whole thing.  

      "They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they won't win."--Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over."

      by Wildthumb on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:30:38 PM PST

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  •  Finally! (1+ / 0-)
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    I place I actually eat at regularly that I can threaten to boycott.

  •  At last, a place I can actually avoid! (0+ / 0-)

    My son & I used to eat at TB quite often - it's the alternative to BK, Wendy's or McD's when we have a meeting after work / school.  But I only eat there once in awhile now, usually when he comes to town... Now I can actually NOT eat there on purpose!  

    Will have to find out who owns the local ones, so I can see if they are on the "stupid franchise owners" list.

    "Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential." - Barack Obama

    by Ricochet67 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:19:19 PM PST

  •  Obamacare is a Rube-Goldberg solution (0+ / 0-)

    that needed to keep the employer-provided-centric insurance model, while also getting insurance for everyone.  The easiest method to ensure everyone being insured is to offer an opt-out program.  Everyone gets AmeriCare.  If you dont' want it and want your employer insurance, you opt-out and if you can show adequate insurance during the year, you get a  refund at the end of the year.  Simplifies Medicaid, exchanges, and all the other intricacies in the current program.

    Consider the case of someone not getting insurance - maybe they would have qualified for Medicaid.  They get into a catastrophic accident.  Hospital treats them, but they had no insurance, and they have no money.  Hospital still has to write off the unpaid bill as charity care.  That is a huge inefficiency in the medical system - the use of charity care as a form of insurance.  If we're giving people insurance, we should do it in a more intelligent way.

  •  Aravosis makes a great point (1+ / 0-)
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    about the 2014 kick-in. But raises the question of why these brands are willing to tarnish themselves in 2013? Psychosis?

  •  Why are all of these places in the south (1+ / 0-)
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    and mid west?  I haven't read about any of these franchises in the nice blue northeastern states taking such action.  Or am I just out of the loop?

    “It is the job of the artist to think outside the boundaries of permissible thought and dare say things that no one else will say."—Howard Zinn

    by musiclady on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:22:37 PM PST

    •  There was one in New York, but I forgot which (0+ / 0-)


      •  Good to know. (0+ / 0-)

        It was probably in one of the conservative areas of NY State.  Why is it liberal/progressive  franchise owners don't seem to engage in this behavior?  If Obamacare is going to ruin business profits, one would think it would do so for everyone!

        “It is the job of the artist to think outside the boundaries of permissible thought and dare say things that no one else will say."—Howard Zinn

        by musiclady on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:30:10 AM PST

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  •  This is such a bummer! (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't eat at any of these places (chains) that treat their workers like this.

    But I have been asking workers at places that I shop and asking them about their health care benefits. So far, all like them. I will not shop there if I get a negative response.

    I don't know what consciousness is or how it works, but I like it.

    by SocioSam on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:30:57 PM PST

  •  I think a boycott would get lost among all the (0+ / 0-)

    others...generally a good reason not to eat fast food. Reality tho....many eat it more than they care to admit, myself included. I'm not worried about anyone losing their job because of a boycott, I worry about the workers and their health. It really would cost so little to insure workers. A first world country with greedy executives...I heard on the radio that we spend the most on health care but we are the "least healthiest"....this is shameful.

    Change is not an event, it is a process.....

    by lady blair on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:32:11 PM PST

  •  Too lazy to look it up but... (0+ / 0-)

    I read somewhere that the part-time/full-time shell game doesn't work under the new law because it's the number of hours/employees that require health insurance, so it doesn't matter if they are part-time or how many hours they work if - as a whole - n amount of hours are worked per company.  Can someone verify that though?

    "Those who can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

    by dancerat on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:32:21 PM PST

  •  By doing this early... (0+ / 0-)

    They can make the case before a judge that it's company policy to not hire or employ full-time employees. If they wait til the last second, they gain very little in benefit, and it can be said that there is a connection. And depending on the judge, such an action might be considered an illegal attempt to circumvent the law.

    Business-wise, it's a no-brainer. Despite the news articles claiming that they've seen a drop in business, it actually doesn't hurt it at all. This is Taco Bell, not Whole Foods.

    •  Not really, when they make the blazing notice (0+ / 0-)

      that they are CHANGING working hours TO AVOID ACA. That's not the same as 'never did it.'  And no judge will ignore that.  And they will have to pay mandatory UI,  Payroll taxes, withholding, Workers Comp and etc for many more workers, especially with the unpredicted overtime that having too many workers each with personal needs and no love for the employer will also produce.

    •  What section... (0+ / 0-)

      ...of law (the PPACA or otherwise) would give a court grounds to declare such an action "an illegal attempt to circumvent the law"?

      If the PPACA doesn't identify an act as legal/illegal, courts don't make up rules (ignoring constitutional issues and ambiguity in a law that needs to be resolved somehow) unless they expect to be overturned on appeal.

      There is nothing legally wrong with, for example, firing most of your workers and replacing them with automation even if the entire reason for doing this was to avoid sanctions imposed by the PPACA -- unless black letter law says this is specifically illegal.

      For example, if a city were to do something as foolish as banning sales of sodas over 16 ounces (to pick an admittedly absurd hypothetical) but doesn't ban sales of multiple smaller sodas to a single individual in one visit, it's perfectly legal for one person to buy four 20 ounce sodas at the same time for nearly immediate personal consumption.

      Courts, except in situations like Constitutional issues or ambiguity, don't judge laws, they judge adherence to laws.

  •  Remember GOP struck "not" from EPA regs? (0+ / 0-)

    Payback is a bitch!

    Does some Democratic Party Congress member have the balls to insert into legislation referencing all the locations that refers to "50 Full-time equivalent workers" and Striking out "50 Full-time Equivalent."

    From  "50 Full-time equivalent workers" to:

  •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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    Father Time remains undefeated.

    by jwinIL14 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:37:13 PM PST

  •  My question, exactly (1+ / 0-)
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    Why are all these restaurant owners making these cuts now when the part of the Affordable Care Act requiring businesses with at least 50 full-time equivalent employees to provide health insurance doesn't even kick in until 2014?

    When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

    by msmacgyver on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:47:25 PM PST

  •  I hope all these resturants get what they deserve. (1+ / 0-)
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    But shouldn't we have anticipated some of this and addressed it? What am I missing?

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    by Cpqemp on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:50:01 PM PST

  •  Is this the same place that didn't have any beef.. (2+ / 0-)
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    in their beef burritos?

    No thanks, I'll eat at home.

    “The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius

    by LamontCranston on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:51:20 PM PST

  •  Sigh. They really can't see what happened to (1+ / 0-)
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    other restaurants? Really? Another fast food to avoid. I wish we had a single place where we could send letters to tell the ding bats why we're not coming to them for eats.

  •  Ahead of the curve (0+ / 0-)

    They are doing this well in advance so they cannot be accused of doing it "at the moment".
    I know a businessman who is changing/has changed all his "banana lifters" from employees to contractors.
    Poof. You go from W-2 to 1099.

  •  This is not about Obamacare (2+ / 0-)
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    It is about corporate America eliminating a living wage and benefits for workers. Obamacare is a distraction. just like insurance covering contraceptives is a distraction. The box stores: Office Depot, Office Max, Wal- Mart- have used this model for decades. Only "management" is full time. Everyone else is part time- no benefits. Fast food wanted to go there, retail wanted to go there (Hobby Lobby). Obama are is their excuse.

  •  Why wasn't the law written... (0+ / 0-)

    that one employee must be covered for every 40 hours per week paid? I mean, the big companies figure how to screw workers. Petsmart gives employees 4 hour shifts, because they don't want to give them a PAID 15 minute break for a longer shift.

    Oh, look.....I get a tagline. I better not waste it. I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

    by sd4david on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 07:49:02 PM PST

  •  If I Were an OK Taco Bell Cook (0+ / 0-)

    I would use the bathroom, then NOT wash my hands, then go back and wrap a few more burritos.

    Probably, I would not spit in the guacamole, unless they cut my hours.

    We will never have the elite, smart people on our side. - Rick Santorum

    by easong on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 08:03:36 PM PST

  •  It would be useful to maintain a list (0+ / 0-)

    of corporaitons who are using their employees to avoid "costs" of Obamacare.

    Not doing business them might create even greater costs.

  •  Ironically (0+ / 0-)

    Cutting work hours may backfire on these employers trying to make a political statement in that they would have to hire more part-time workers to cover the lack of work hours given to existing employees, thus reducing the overall unemployment rate (and that wouldn't look on the FN channel's reality challenged view of the world). Either that, or the business will lose money due to less work being performed and the employer suffers.

    Yes, I know it's simplistic and overly optimistic.

    The Golden Rule isn't so golden if you don't polish it with every soul you meet. (-6.5,-4.1)

    by minidriver on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 07:25:21 AM PST

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