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Yesterday, Angry Mouse mentioned that on yesterday's 700 Club, Pat Robertson suggested that women can't expect to get any attention from their husbands if they're "slatternly-looking."  Pucklady mentioned in a comment that some of the synonyms for "slatternly" are "slut" and "harlot."

I thought, Oh no, he did not just go there.  But Merriam-Webster confirms it.  Apparently in Marion Gordon's world, if you women aren't getting any loving from your men, it's because you're a slut.  

This doesn't come as too big of a shock to me. Remember, we're talking about a guy who for years taught that victims of child sexual abuse could actually allow themselves to be molested.  Still, you really have to wonder if this is too much even for the true believers who rely on CBN for advice.  And I also have to wonder how his wife of 59-plus years, Dede, must feel about hearing such misogynistic garbage from her husband.

Rush Limbaugh is still getting deservedly reamed for calling Sandra Fluke a slut.  Methinks Robertson needs to get the same treatment.  One can only hope that this is way beyond the tolerance levels of most fundie women.

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  •  Tip Jar (13+ / 0-)

    The NRA's response to calls for responsible gun law reform: noun, verb, Second Amendment

    by Christian Dem in NC on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 06:04:20 AM PST

  •  Well, I don't know how much attention (3+ / 0-)

    "sluts" get from Pat Robertson, but I do know they got a lot of attention from Jesus. He kinda hung out with them, you know.

    What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

    by commonmass on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 06:20:26 AM PST

  •  If xtian wives are slatterly why do so many (2+ / 0-)
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    preachers visit prostitutes?  just asking...

    "Time is for careful people, not passionate ones."

    "Life without emotions is like an engine without fuel."

    by roseeriter on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 06:21:15 AM PST

  •  Occam's Razor (6+ / 0-)

    Robertson clearly meant it in the slovenly sense.

  •  I believe he is refering to the old definition of (4+ / 0-)

    slattern or slut, which is a woman who is sloppy, unclean, or untidy.

    That passed by; this can, too. - Deor

    by stevie avebury on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 06:32:27 AM PST

    •  No, that can't be it! And that is a really OLD (0+ / 0-)

      definition. In fact, this is the first time, since I have heard of it's use in that context, ever!

      Slattern was interchangeable with whore or slut in every publication I have read thus far.

      •  Yeah, looks like someone has been reading their (0+ / 0-)

        copy of the OED recently.

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 07:37:42 AM PST

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      •  yeah but he is a really old man. (0+ / 0-)

        I read a lot of really old books.  But even books written in the 1940's and 1950's that I have read have referred to the women who did the dirtiest work as sluts or slatterns. I understand where you are coming from, but if you look at the context of his words he is really saying that if women do not keep themselves looking their best, ala June Cleaver cleaning house in high heels, they do not deserve to be loved by their husbands. That there is really incredibly offensive to me.  That is so offensive to me that I do not feel the need to read extra insults into it.
        Just Sayin'.

        That passed by; this can, too. - Deor

        by stevie avebury on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 08:02:31 AM PST

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        •  I don't feel the need to read extra insults either (0+ / 0-)

          everything this man has said and done in the direction of women, let us know on a very deep level how much he doesn't value us as equal human beings, worthy of actual respect or privacy.

          I know what the words mean. I have had them thrown at me or bandied about in my presence via the media enough, to not need to look up etymology.

          He knows better too.

        •  You also have to keep in mind that (1+ / 0-)
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          for many fundie evangelicals, a very early Webster's is the only dictionary they'll use.

          Has to do with religious secondary definitions and such being edited out later. That and the fact that specific Webster's edition apparently has Jesus listed under the definition of "Truth".

          (And when the Christian bookstores sell new hardcover copies of it to the homeschoolers, it's practically all profit because it's out of copyright by a huge time margin. So there's a secondary reason for spreading the above religious justification for teaching today's kids using a dictionary that was outdated before their grandparents were born.)

          Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

          by Cassandra Waites on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 11:54:40 AM PST

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        •  Also, there is a long history of equating innate (0+ / 0-)

          morality, with economic status, and race.

          So calling the poorest people who did the dirtiest work sluts, was a nice excuse to rape and harass them with impunity.

          Just saying.

      •  The Random House Dictionary (0+ / 0-)

        says the primary meaning of "slatternly" is slovenly or untidy.

        "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

        by Old Left Good Left on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:46:52 AM PST

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    •  I have always heard (0+ / 0-)

      "slatternly" used in the sense of slovenly and unclean. My mother and grandmother both used it in that sense. "Slut" used to mean something similar (an old term for what we call dust bunnies was "slut's wool") but not in my lifetime. As long as I can remember it's meant exactly what you think. it's possible "slattern" was used as a euphemism back when "slut" wasn't considered a word to be used in polite company.

      Being "pro-life" means believing that every child born has a right to food, education, and access to health care.

      by Jilly W on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 11:29:43 AM PST

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  •  It's interesting how every now and then (0+ / 0-)

    he actually says what the Christopaths really think.

    Slut for them is kind of a hold-all word for "not expressing proper gender role as female".

    I prefer to keep it as "using your sexuality in a way disapproved of by society."

    But stopped clocks are right twice a day, and he's got a kernel of truth in that. I do think when you're in a relationship where monogamy is the expectation, you need to try to remain a person whom your partner wants to be intimate with. Yes, I know what pregnancy does to a woman's body, yes, I know about depression. And on the male side I know about sedentary jobs and injuries that keep you from working out. But part of it all is that you do try your best, because you love your partner. And the other side is that your partner honors the try and loves you despite.  

    When you come to find how essential the comfort of a well-kept home is to the bodily strength and good conditions, to a sound mind and spirit, and useful days, you will reverence the good housekeeper as I do above artist or poet, beauty or genius.

    by Alexandra Lynch on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 06:34:33 AM PST

  •  Robertson is a Pharisee, one the "Nest of Vipers.. (1+ / 0-)
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    who should be more concerned about "escap(ing) being condemned to hell" himself.  He, as a modern-day Pharisee, should remember what Jesus said about Pharisees like him, who belong to his father, the devil...

    ...for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies...
    ...and should be removing the "log from his own eye" instead of casting stones at others.
  •  I don't think he went after sluts here (3+ / 0-)
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    If you read the article, he is basically saying that women should be more willing to please their husbands by looking "good," which presumably includes looking sexy, perhaps even slutty.   The way it reads to me he is basically condemning women for letting themselves go, gain weight, being "unkempt" and in that context the first description of the word slatternly offered up on the Miriam-Webster site is likely the one he applied:

    Definition of SLATTERNLY

    1.  untidy and dirty through habitual neglect; also : careless, disorderly

    Robertson is a complete joke and jerk for making sexist suggestions to women, yet hold men harmless for letting themselves go, gain weight, don't shower, etc.  But, the description "slut" for those women (having or desiring sex with different partners) was furthest from his mind, quite the opposite actually.  He was condemning women whose husbands turn away from them for neglecting their outside appearance and with that turning the men off.  

    •  Agree with you (2+ / 0-)
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      The context was clear that he meant they weren't keeping themselves "sexy" for their men, so their men were retreating online.
      Apparently, in addition to raising the children, maintaining the home and being a helpmate to her husband, a good Christian wife also keeps a hard body and parades around in corsets and leather thigh-highs.

      “If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished?” - Rumi

      by Jaxpagan on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 06:54:29 AM PST

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      •  Basically, women should look exactly like (0+ / 0-)

        Robertson's sidekicks or the women on Foxnews to be pleasing to the eye.  

        While I actually agree that the outside appearance of partners can have something to do with what happens on a romantic or erotic level (libido and physical attraction,)  it is a massive failure on Robertson's part to make it a one-sided issue, as many men, comfortable and complacent, let themselves go, gain a lot of weight, don't shave or shower.   What is good for the goose....

            A non-traditionalist opposite Robertson's women-hating caliber would have asked the caller if the husband is also neglecting his appearance, has let himself go, and then suggest to the COUPLE to perhaps seek counseling, join a fitness club TOGETHER, try to rekindle the romance by scheduling regular date nights, etc.  

      •  That's a lot of damn work as we age. (0+ / 0-)

        Does Pat Robertson even understand that Sexy is a concept and not a rule? That his notion of it, may not be realistic or even applicable to all other men and women out there in the world?

        99 percent of sexual attraction starts in the brain.


        If a woman isn't taking care of herself, I would be asking myself what is amiss in her world, that is making her so sad and distracted from self care, rather than heaping on a pile of bullshit -judgement from a reptilian misogynist.

        When people stop trying, then it's time to start talking, not criticizing.

        I am sure next week he will be complaining about women being too sexy and criticizing them for distracting other men outside their marriage, by simply breathing.


  •  why couldn't he just say (1+ / 0-)
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    untidy, unkempt, no makeup, doesn't do her hair?  Because "slattern" sounds biblical, and women can't argue that.

  •  Whew! That is good news, since I stopped plucking (0+ / 0-)

    my lady beard, and shaving my pits. A couple more days of growth in these unwashed yoga pants, should lead to some major, hot, nookie!

  •  Robertson and sluts (0+ / 0-)

    Since he has a history of (to use another quaint term) "womanizing", I'm sure he knows a thing or two about sluts, or slatternly women, or whatever.

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