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On January 2, Rep. Peter King (R-NY) said House Speaker John Boehner had promised the Hurricane Sandy relief aid package would not include unrelated spending cuts
Remember House Speaker John Boehner's promise to hold a vote on Hurricane Sandy relief aid was all it took for Rep. Peter King (R-NY) to go from saying you'd have to be insane to support a Republican to voting to reelect Boehner as speaker? Well, so far King has gotten $9 billion of the $60 billion he was promised, but with just a few days left for Boehner to keep his word on the remaining $51 billion, House Republicans are once again organizing to block the relief aid package.
Buckle up: The Hurricane Sandy disaster relief bill could be in trouble. Again.

At least that's what some House Republicans fear. Or hope, depending on whom you ask.

The issue: instead of bringing legislation authorizing the remaining $51 billion to the floor for an up-or-down vote, Boehner is planning to split the bill into two pieces, one of which funds disaster insurance and the other of which would rebuild infrastructure destroyed during the storm. Moreover, he's allowing votes on amendments, a move which will give House Republicans the opportunity to add unrelated spending cuts (euphemistically called "offsets") to the legislation.

The insurance portion probably isn't in jeopardy, but the infrastructure piece is likely to come under withering assault and will only pass with overwhelming Democratic support. If Republicans are successful in loading up the bill with spending cuts, however, they will have added poison pills to the bill, effectively dooming it.

The mere fact that the amendments are going to be allowed appears to be a violation of Boehner's promise to King—or at least a violation of what King claimed to have been promised. Appearing on CNN after announcing Boehner's pledge, King said the aid package would be a clean bill without offsets. "It's not going to be done now," he said. "It shouldn't be done, and it won't be." (The video of King's remarks is at the top of this post.)

If House Republicans do succeed in blocking all or part of the Hurricane Sandy relief package, it will put an exclamation point on King's admission that Republicans are biased against the northeast. Indeed, the mere fact that they are still considering blocking the aid demonstrates their anti-northeast bias. And keep in mind, despite all their whining about how northeasterners supposedly look down their noses at the south, when Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, the northeastern United States was overwhelmingly supportive of their fellow citizens, approving more than $60 billion in aid within two weeks of the storm hitting the coast. And not a single House Democrat voted no.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 06:43 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  How to kill a bill without killing it outright (32+ / 0-)

    Add unrelated amendments.

    And the media won't know how to explain the whole story in a 30 second clip, so they won't try.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 06:52:02 AM PST

    •  That's part of the strategy of breaking (15+ / 0-)

      bills into pieces, too.

      You never get a complete picture of what is really going on and there's always "hope" that in the next round issues from previous rounds will be addressed.  People lose track and they get away with screwing people...  sigh.

      Peter King agreed to this deal.  Makes his earlier outburst look like theater because he knows as well as anyone what happens when bills are broken up like this - there's always less allocated when it is his party playing these games.

    •  Christie, King and others will tell truth. (9+ / 0-)

      Them calling bullshit will do it.

      One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

      by Inland on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:14:00 AM PST

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      •  We can hope (6+ / 0-)

        But GOP unity runs deep.

        Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

        by blue aardvark on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:21:55 AM PST

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        •  And who in the GOP doesn't want more (3+ / 0-)
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          spending cuts?  It might not be poison for them at all.  Sandy relief + spending cuts...whoopee!

        •  Having already (7+ / 0-)

          made a big fuss about this, I think King may continue to do so. He does have constituents who he needs to vote for him.

          "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

          by sidnora on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:35:48 AM PST

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          •  The thing is that given the fact that he's (8+ / 0-)

            agreed to this piecemeal approach - and we are not talking about some Congressional rookie here at all - I think it is much more likely that his outrage was a set up for political cover and any you see going forward is likely to be that too.  

            He goes on the shows and screams and whines so that when the GOP underfunds the aid package, King can say to his constituents that he really, really tried hard and he's sorry.  They pat him on the  back and say "we know you're a good guy" and he's fine and his constituents can't touch the Reps who didn't vote for the aid - so their fine - and the GOP vision of a poorer more ruined American is one step closer to being reality.  It is a win-win-win for them all.  

            And make no mistake about King, he is all about winning and just as pernicious as anyone in his caucus.

            •  You may be right (8+ / 0-)

              but Nassau County ain't the reddest of the red. Although it was just redistricted in his favor, it's +6 R and a lot of those are of the "Reagan Democrat" pocketbook Republican variety. If they feel like they've been cheated because he didn't fight hard enough for them, there might be an opportunity there.

              Of course, that would require the Nassau County Dems to get their act together...sigh.

              "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

              by sidnora on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:06:09 AM PST

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              •  But that particular district is Red (0+ / 0-)

                and it has been for years. The demographics are changing in the county, but I'm sure they've gerrymandered it to keep his demographic in tact.

                However much I can't stand this guy, I do believe he's sincere on this one - and got caught up in Bohner's bs and general inability to control his reps. There is devastation in his own district and he has to be upset about it. All politics is local, remember.

                Helping a food pantry on the Cheyenne River Reservation,Okiciyap." >www.okiciyap.yolasite.com<"

                by betson08 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:49:06 AM PST

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                •  I did point out (0+ / 0-)

                  that the district had been redrawn as much in his favor as possible, but I think the demographics will catch up with him eventually. It's already heavily gerrymandered, and ironically, the reddest, most gerrymandered area, the western South shore of  Suffolk County, is also one of the hardest hit.

                  Thanks for agreeing with me that he's sincere. It's still a horrible mess out there, and 2 1/2 months on, his constituents are living in it, every day.

                  "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

                  by sidnora on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:16:43 PM PST

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              •  Actually Nassau County (0+ / 0-)

                went for Obama by 7%.

                And its other 3 Congressional districts are Dems.

                Though it's true about the gerrymandering.

          •  King has been self-neutered on this subject (2+ / 0-)
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            had he NOT decided to crawl back to his party leadership after unloading some righteous anger on them at the end of the last congress he MIGHT have some credibility left to continue to deride them for giving a middle finger to the east coast but he did so he doesn't

            Christie, on the other hand, CAN take the national stage to give that finger and the back of his hand to the NO VOTERS in his party on sandy relief

            and every time Christie does that ALL east coast republicans shudder and worry that they will become the next former rep from the east coast!

            the one good thing King DID DO was to point out that anyone who donates money to the GOP and is from the east coast is NUTS and that will be repeated over and over and over if the right succeeds in shafting the east coast on hurricane aide.

            "You've got to be an optimist to be a Democrat, and a humorist to stay one" - Will Rogers

            by KnotIookin on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:12:46 AM PST

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      •  King Voted for Bohner (7+ / 0-)

        I believe that his histrionics are nothing but theatrics. Or is this just another "no one could have known"...that the GOP would screw us...King and his fellow GOP'er from SI voted for the leader. Perhaps it's time for the voters on LI and SI as well as NJ to finally wake up and realize their elected "officials" only care for themselves...

        Do something...marinedefenders.com

        by profewalt on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:45:05 AM PST

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        •  I'm sure that was the deal to get his vote (1+ / 0-)
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          and then he got backstabbed by the others who Bohner can't control. I think King got taken for a ride on this one. He's a horse's ass, but he does have devastation in his own district and a very demanding bunch of constituents. He can see the writing on the wall I'm sure.

          Helping a food pantry on the Cheyenne River Reservation,Okiciyap." >www.okiciyap.yolasite.com<"

          by betson08 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:50:33 AM PST

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        •   Bet he's sorry now! (0+ / 0-)

          if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:57:35 AM PST

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        •  Shrug. He's hitting a chord. (1+ / 0-)
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          You can say King doesn't believe it, or wont' act on it, but in the meantime, he's got the world's biggest media market parked in fron to fhis face and WE believe it.  When he says nobody in the northeast should give a dime to the republicans, people listened.

          One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

          by Inland on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:09:04 AM PST

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      •  Christie, maybe... (4+ / 0-)

        His re-election does hinge on his ability to get the Jersey Shore cleaned up.  King - he seems like a snake in the grass.

        'Goodwill' between the GOP and the President is as abundant as unicorn farts - Me'

        by RichM on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:21:55 AM PST

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  •  So now Peter King will go off on his party again? (22+ / 0-)

    Let's see how long King remains loudly critical of his party leadership, and how strenuously he fights for his district and state.  The ball's in your court, Pete.  Maybe now you'll realize your caucus mates are more dangerous to this country than the Moozlim terrrrists under your bed.

    Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

    by Dallasdoc on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 06:55:02 AM PST

  •  King's both gullible and despicable, but you can (14+ / 0-)

    trust he wont get screwed quietly. He'll be on CNN 2 min after he decides his 'colleagues' are goosing his ass again.
    I noted Chris Christie did Not come out after Boehner's latest promises and say everything's fine and all is forgiven. He let the statements from his press conf stand.

  •  I would venture a guess that... (10+ / 0-)

    King and Christie go ape sh*t on these a$$holes.

    Along with other northeastern representatives affected by Sandy. WTH is wrong with these guys/gals??

    What I really want to see is King taking back his nice words about Boehner LOL.

    •  Many of them are Republicans. (6+ / 0-)

      The rep for Staten Island and South Brooklyn, another area that was very hard hit, is Michael Grimm, a sophomore Repug who's also under investigation for some pretty lurid campaign finance shenanigans.

      He seems to have decided that his political skin is safer hiding under Boehner's wing than fighting for his devastated constituents. I would assume that sort of cowardice caution is motivating most of the other R congresscritters in the affected area. I think King feels secure enough to speak out because a) he's got lots of terms under his belt, and b) his district just got gerrymandered to make it even redder than it was before. And the local Dems obviously don't stand to gain anything by calling Boehner out.

      Christie's really the only one who's a free agent here, because he's not in DC, beholden to Boehner, and it looks like he's going to make the most of it. He gets to look like the only sane Republican in the US. It's working out very nicely for him, politically.

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:47:47 AM PST

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  •  It is going to be interesting when the south (10+ / 0-)

    gets another storm to see how the funding will go for them.  I would say that Katrina hit in 2005 and I don't recall the republicans having the tea bagger problem that they have now. The republicans were crazy and not patriots at all at the time, but the new tea bagging base bloomed once Obama was elected and they are just insane. I am not convinced Florida or the gulf coast would fare a whole lot better as long as Obama is in office. Because you know, he is not really American and a socialist too, so we can't give him anything that he wants. I am sure we will find out in the summer, stay tuned because storms will hit soon enough and they will continue their ass holish ways. I would bet on it.

    "If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading."- Lao-Tzu

    by Pakalolo on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:01:34 AM PST

  •  I'd like to hope this will wake some locals up (10+ / 0-)

    I know lots of Republicans from the tristate area, most of the sane ones are almost "former" but there's a fair amount of tea baggery and Obama-derangement syndrome. I'd really like to think that this nonsense is damaging their brand and that it'll translate down the road to an electoral shift but I fear the cultural and ... cough ... racial biases are too ingrained. More and more of them are disgusted with the Republican Party as well but it's usually framed as teabaggerisms which means a lot of FREEDOMZ and 1776 and "founding fathers" most of which I translate as "don't tax me and give the money to the slacking urbanites from rap videos". We need someway to awaken some class consciousness (don't call it that) except Reagan -> Fox et. al. have institutionalized "I could hire one half of the working class to kill the other"

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:05:17 AM PST

    •  Well, it would seem simple enough, if we would (8+ / 0-)

      just keep it simple.  Hurricane relief comes from taxes.  Taxes provide hurricane relief.  Don't wanna pay taxes?  Well, then you get game playing on hurricane relief.  No likey?  Then grow up!

      •  multiple cultural and structural problems (5+ / 0-)
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        They've been convinced the welfare state is corrupt and unsustainable. The problem is the welfare state is hideously inefficient in many places (from personal experience) and the over funded right has done an excellent generational job of selling cartoon libertarianism while bashing and exaggerating the corruption and inefficiencies. In this particular case I've had "working class" - and I shy away from those old loaded phrases - Republicans chiming in that the original stimulus bill, which would have directly helped them and their neighbors, was "more than half needless pork". That percentage was made up on the spot by some right wing propagandist somewhere and even a line by line analysis of the original bill would not cut through the confirmation bias bred in since Reagan (needless to say I did not do a line by line analysis).

        To sum up: They've been sold on the idea that taxes for anything but weapons systems are a waste and "not what the founding fathers intended".

        The only long term solution is to make our collectivist institutions much better through reform and civic responsibility. The short term plan is to make sure 2014 turnout is at least as favorable as 2012. And that's going to be really hard.

        If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

        by jgnyc on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:55:32 AM PST

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        •  Let us pray that the 2014 turnout doesn't consist (4+ / 0-)
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          of assault weapon-carrying gun nuts, who will actually show up at the polls with their AK47s.  We're in for an ugly two years.  And we thought the TeaPeople were bad.  We ain't seen nuthin yet I fear.  

          •  1994 they showed up unarmed (3+ / 0-)
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            and it was bad enough.

            I'm not (that) worried about gun nuts using their guns - it's more random unhinged kids that are scary - because they're all weekend warriors and would get chewed up in a really scary society (the should all vacation in Mexico). I am worried about them voting consistently, which they do. The right maxed out their voting bloc with Obama derangement syndrome in 2010 and it was ugly.

            We have to match the intensity of 2012 in 2014. That's a high mountain to climb.

            If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

            by jgnyc on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:23:39 AM PST

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        •  Too late for that solution (3+ / 0-)
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          The only long term solution is to make our collectivist institutions much better through reform and civic responsibility.
          No matter how good they are made, those who've been propagandized will never admit those institutions work.

          "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

          by nosleep4u on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:35:38 AM PST

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          •  I did say long term (0+ / 0-)

            short term you're right. Long term I'm not so sure. I've watched some Reagan Democrats start drifting back, first Iraq and then a general distrust of teabag extremism.

            The point is not to say "the old somewhat corrupt labor unions were better than what's going on now" (they were IMHO) but to say "we need a whole new deal for the 21st century". Here's how it will work. Better, smarter and fairer than the bankers you've been enabling electorally since Reagan.

            Some news org sent some reporters traveling around the south before the election and there was one ... uh ... white trash (I self describe as such so I'll use it) was saying "Obama's a Muslim but I can't vote for the rich guy. He'll just screw us some more"

            They also distrust the Democratic Party but so do I. They think the bailout was a big give away but so do I. Some think Obama's going to send the UN to take their guns and I think that would be pretty funny.

            If we can show them how to adjust the welfare state from the ground up and make it much better (and I have first hand views of some of the bad parts regularly) maybe we can approach the grass roots right with something not so culture war oriented.

            For instance - locally we all don't like Mayor Mike and anyone he anoints is going to, hopefully, have a problem all over the political spectrum. De Blasio? Don't know. But the revolution begins at home.

            If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

            by jgnyc on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:14:22 AM PST

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    •  ^^^^This (4+ / 0-)

      plus the ironic fact that a disproportionate number of the hardest-hit areas have Republican representation.

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:49:26 AM PST

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  •  The mere thought of this should cause the nor'east (9+ / 0-)

    rethugs to go apeshit.

  •  make 2014 the year the dems take the house (13+ / 0-)

    i do not think the gop, especially the tea baggers realize how much they are screwing their chances of keeping control of the house next year.

    everything they do alienates the 98%. all i can say is, keep it going!

  •  Pieces of shit. (4+ / 0-)
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    They deserve nothing more than a gutteral slur.

    Buy Aldus Shrugged : The Antidote to Ayn Rand, and tear Ayn and the GOP new orifices. ALL ROYALTIES BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY 31, DONATED TO THIS SITE, DAILYKOS!! @floydbluealdus1

    by Floyd Blue on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:33:41 AM PST

  •  The questions is... (3+ / 0-)
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    Will people not living in Red states begin to realize that the GOP will, every single fucking time the get an opportunity, tell those people to 'Drop Dead' when they need help from the government?  Crazy ass legislators still come from Blue states: Bachman, King & King, Lamborn, etc.  When are their constituents going to realized that they are going to get EXACTLY NOTHING for electing a Repub?

    'Goodwill' between the GOP and the President is as abundant as unicorn farts - Me'

    by RichM on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:20:35 AM PST

    •  You think they care about their constituents? (2+ / 0-)
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      As long as the Kings and Bachmanns make the appropriate noises, conservatives won't care if they're actually getting screwed, and will continue to vote for the crazies. So there's no downside for these types to keep voting against help for other states.

      This is polarization and division at its purest, and the Republican pigs are gorging on it.

      "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

      by nosleep4u on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:40:11 AM PST

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      •  No... (1+ / 0-)
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        They don't care about their constituents.  The question I'm asking is, will their constituents begin to realize that they keep electing a representative that doesn't care about them.

        'Goodwill' between the GOP and the President is as abundant as unicorn farts - Me'

        by RichM on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:47:47 AM PST

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  •  Perhaps Republicans have a subconscious fear of (2+ / 0-)
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    winning the White House and are trying to ensure they never will again. By 2022 even the gerrymandered House could fall away from them.

    Delenda est filibuster!

    by TofG on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:25:24 AM PST

  •  Even Wolf Blitzer looks pissed off. (3+ / 0-)
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    Slow thinkers - keep right

    by Dave the Wave on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:27:19 AM PST

  •  Not just the northeast.. (2+ / 0-)
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    This will be the strategy for every spending bill this session.  

    Remember the continuing resolution ends in March.  That means all spending either gets approved by house repubs or doesn't get approved.

    They won't fund relief spending, spending for schools, the environment, any type of regulation they don't like, labor, hud, etc, etc.

    No magic coin will work after 3/31.  

    The relief bill is just a preamble to what they will be doing with all spending.  

    They want to screw more than just the northeast.

  •  60B of borrowed money ? (1+ / 0-)
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    That does seem pretty pricey, actually.

    Who gets this money?   Are we looking at this kind of expense w/ every major storm?    

    Are we privatizing profits (and benefits) and socializing losses here?  

    Did property owners pay premiums before the storm?

    I'd like to live near the water too....but its expensive (and on the Atlantic coast, a bit risky, no?)

    I'm for repairing damaged infrastructure, and for creating a premium based insurance scheme that fairly prices the risk....but I don't know where this 60B is going....

    Out of my cold dead hands

    by bluelaser2 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:35:31 AM PST

    •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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      Are we looking at this kind of expense w/ every major storm?
      Welcome to climate change.
      Are we privatizing profits (and benefits) and socializing losses here?
      No.

      "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

      by nosleep4u on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:42:31 AM PST

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    •  Not pricey at all (2+ / 0-)
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      And yes, we are looking at a lot more heavy losses as climate change gets more intense.

      Don't forget about the population density and the amount of infrastructure that needs repair. Actually, considering the number of people served, the infrastructure in NYC is a pretty good deal - like a while state's worth of people in a few square miles.

      And do you track other large expenditures this closely, such as the Bush Iraq war non-competitive contracts, or just these dire situations?

      Think about it. Why choose a disaster to pick apart when there are so many people suffering? Are you this worried about the unnecessary defense weaponry that the Pentagon isn't even asking for that is being funded by this group of clowns instead of a real need?

      Just arguing for focusing on the REAL problems here....

      Helping a food pantry on the Cheyenne River Reservation,Okiciyap." >www.okiciyap.yolasite.com<"

      by betson08 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:02:37 AM PST

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    •  Well. If you don't like the expense (1+ / 0-)
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      of all these storms, maybe you could work your ass off against climate change.

      Looks like people are about to see how expensive not stopping climate change is.

      if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:05:22 AM PST

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      •  Hurricanes are a fact of life (0+ / 0-)

        Yes they may be more intense in a warmer world, but we have always had to deal with them on the Atlantic seaboard.  

        Full reversal of global warming would not remove the threat.

        Out of my cold dead hands

        by bluelaser2 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:37:30 AM PST

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    •  blue I can get you a place by the shore CHEAP (2+ / 0-)
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      while there are expensive places there are also low and middle income hi Rises that were built near the ocean at a time when it was cheap to build and live there.

      as for where the money will be going...  have you SEEN the pics of the damage from sandy?  have you seen the burnt out neighborhoods of the rockaways and breezy point?  how about the 24 story buildings still running on generators?  what about the flooded battery tunnel?  the thousands of destroyed homes and businesses the infrastructure that served them?  

      do you know what it costs to move a large buildings electrical systems out of the basement and UP to a safer level so it isnt destroyed in the NEXT hurricane?  have you seen the schools that were flooded?  did you read about the cost of repairing the THREE major NYC hospitals that were drowned?  

      and THAT is just some of the stuff in NYC....  

      "You've got to be an optimist to be a Democrat, and a humorist to stay one" - Will Rogers

      by KnotIookin on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:30:04 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  There is an Insurance Industry in this country (0+ / 0-)

        And the US Gov as the largest insurance company in world history can only go so long until risks and premium payments are aligned...  

        Out of my cold dead hands

        by bluelaser2 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:36:11 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  blue, ever try to get your private insurer to pay (2+ / 0-)
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          sethtriggs, schnecke21

          on a claim involving a hurricane?   or maybe you are one of those people who say.... you should have had FLOOD insurance to the people who, before SANDY, did NOT live in a known FLood area?  People like those who live in a neighborhood called Gerritsen Beach....   a neighborhood that has never flooded before and was NOT a zone A evacuation area during SANDY and a neighborhood filled with cops and FF and nurses and laborers who probably bought their homes from their parents who probably Built those homes back in the day - good tax paying Americans who's homes got destroyed by SANDY.

          some other stuff I can add to your question of where this money will go...  it will go to rebuilding roads that were virtually washed away by sandy, to rebuilding libraries that are still closed due to sandy damage, it will go towards planning HOW best to rebuild so we dont have to go through this again in a year or two.

          I am a victim of SANDY who lives in an area that has NEVER Flooded before.... we live on the border between zone A (the evacuation zone) and B (your safe, stay put) and I live in a tall building on an upper floor....   we never ever expected the kind of damage that happened where we live.... we are still trying to recover and the shared cost to my neighbors and ourselves is beyond any of our means to cover.    in terms of insurance - we were lucky, our personal claims were small and our adjustor was benevolent - he rewrote our claim so we could get $1000...  YUP thats all our insurer would cover and even THAT was like pulling teeth... meanwhile we had to replace 3 computers that died, a car that totally drowned even though we parked it way way inland, a wheelchair that broke while we were evacuating down a pitch black staircase - we had emergency housing expenses for almost a month, food expenses, travel costs etc....  and our neighborhood is still partially closed due to Sandy...  we STILL have generators supplying us with power while our old electrical infrastructure is being rebuilt and modernized (cause the parts to fix the old system arent made any more) and are trying to find a way to pay to move our power rooms out of the basements and up to the second floors where the water did not reach and we consider ourselves some of the lucky ones.

          Should we ALL just throw in the towel and pack up and move?   maybe but this isnt the time to even talk about that...NOW the country has to come together and help make people semi whole again.  

          "You've got to be an optimist to be a Democrat, and a humorist to stay one" - Will Rogers

          by KnotIookin on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 10:07:35 AM PST

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          •  I am so sorry (0+ / 0-)

            you are going thru this.  Sending good energy your way.

          •  I would rather pay higher premiums (0+ / 0-)

            on MY insurance so YOUR damages are covered.

            The US Gov cannot afford to cover every uninsured private loss, and we can't just say that tax revenue and insurance premiums are fungible, because the tax money will be diverted, as always, from where it needs to go....

            Roads, utilities, and other public infrastructure IS the responsibility of the government.  

            If the private insurance industry cannot protect the nation against casual losses, then the USA gov should do it, but not without premiums !

               

            Out of my cold dead hands

            by bluelaser2 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 12:57:10 PM PST

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  •  we need to start firing up the popcorn (2+ / 0-)
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    because it is a very good thing that Republicans have to deal with their own congressional obstructionists - about time their broke ranks.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:35:50 AM PST

  •  The check may not be in the mail (1+ / 0-)
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    hnichols

    And people that are waiting for them ,will soon be disappointed ,those with   flood insurance from the government will get paid eventually ,but if you did not have it ,you maybe out of luck

  •  I wouldn't stop at the northeast in defining the (1+ / 0-)
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    GOP's bias.  I'd define it as all non-rich people.  And since the GOP isn't allowed to pick and choose only the rich people harmed by Sandy, they say fuck 'em all!

  •  LI Repubs are no different than anywhere else (1+ / 0-)
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    From close up (he used to be my Rep), King has always appeared to me to be a classic "gimmegimmegimme" Republican, meaning he'll do what it takes to get his funding, but when it's for someone else's cause, not so much. Although he holds himself forth as being his own man, he's a pretty reliable vote for the party line and has even contributed sometimes to the crazy from his perch overseeing Homeland Security. He only seems to come out from behind the curtains when it benefits him. Otherwise, he stays in the background and votes as he is told to.

    His constituents like him and his style (bully tendencies, like Christie), and his district is one of the redder ones here on LI. (The other four LI Reps are Democrats.) And the Dems have never really run a heavyweight against him, except for 2010, and even then the Dem had serious flaws.

    So, his tirade against Boehner was mostly bluster for consumption by media and voters. He'll make up some BS reason to toe the Republican line when these bills come up for their votes.

    •  I tend to agree, but I do think (0+ / 0-)

      he knows his ass is on the line here, and he'll have to keep bucking the party for his own political survival.

      Helping a food pantry on the Cheyenne River Reservation,Okiciyap." >www.okiciyap.yolasite.com<"

      by betson08 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:04:11 AM PST

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  •  And what's more - excepting my own state of Maine (0+ / 0-)

    northeastern states are net-givers to the Treasury, receiving less in Federal largess than we send there.

    As for those southern states? That's right - they are net-takers.

    Form follows function -- Louis Sullivan

    by Spud1 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:56:13 AM PST

  •  Poor Peter King. (1+ / 0-)
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    he's about to learn that you can't trust a Republican's promises.

    The lack of humanity in the Republican party, however, should not surprise him

    if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:56:16 AM PST

  •  Peter King must feel like the guy (2+ / 0-)
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    who keeps hitting himself on the head with a baseball bat, and, when asked why he does that, replies, "Because it feels so good when I stop."

  •  I'd be fine with (0+ / 0-)

    The United States of the Northeast, Northwest, Colorado, New Mexico, and Hawaii. I'll take South Florida and Orlando, too. Oh yeah can't forget Austin,Texas, Chicago, Madison Wisconsin and some of Minnesota.

    Let all those gravy drinking Rednecks go without our tax dollars. They wouldn't last long.

    Victory is sweet-November 6, 2012

    by al23 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:05:11 AM PST

  •  Get rid of the pork (0+ / 0-)

    The bill is clearly needed but it should stick to the needs of the people in New York and New Jersey.  Not the 2 million for the Smithsonian, and the rest of the pork.  

  •  ugh.. maybe we should stop supporting the.. (0+ / 0-)

    welfare states.

    eh?

    People who say they don't care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don't care what people think. -George Carlin

    by downtownLALife on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:11:34 AM PST

  •  I hope and think (0+ / 0-)

    that there atleast 17 GOPers who will vote against anything that muddies the waters.....

    After Obama's eighth straight victory, Penn told reporters: "Winning Democratic primaries is not a qualification or a sign of who can win the general election.

    by nevadadem on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:15:21 AM PST

  •  This was all so (1+ / 0-)
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    predictable. You could see this one coming a mile away down K street.

    There is nothing more exciting than the truth. - Richard P. Feynman

    by pastol on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:40:46 AM PST

  •  The cruelty exhibited by these (1+ / 0-)
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    people in the name of their god is mindboggling.  

    The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion. Molly Ivins

    by MufsMom on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:46:45 AM PST

  •  Wait until the next tornado hits Kansas (1+ / 0-)
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    schnecke21

    All four GOP members of the HR from KS voted NO on Sandy aid.

    What were they "thinking?"

  •  Hey, Pete (0+ / 0-)

    Live by Republican asshattery, die by Republican asshattery.

  •  King is a toothless blowhard - empty threats (1+ / 0-)
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    sethtriggs

    Boehner knows King's threats are empty air so he can ignore him at his leisure.  What's King going to do - hold ANOTHER press conference and make the SAME threat he made before (but quickly retracted)?

  •  Go ahead Peter... (0+ / 0-)

    ...whine, yell, do interviews, scream, join the Democrats!  It won't do you any good, Boehner and the good 'ole boys just got the best of you!  

    Boehner is already elected speaker and he don't need your vote any more.  Would you like some cheese with that whine?   He fixed you northerners wagons all righty!  Suffer.

    BTW Peter, get used to getting lied to, the Democrats have been putting up with that going on five years now.   After all, you're a northerner and therefore a second class citizen representative in today's GOP. You're not worthy of truthfulness or honesty of promises.

    Now Peter, if all of the Republican Representatives north of the Mason Dixon line suddenly switched parties and put the Democrats in the Majority, then you might have a chance of helping your constituents, instead of yourself.

    ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

    by NevDem on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 11:29:46 AM PST

  •  What's more disgraceful is that a NJ (0+ / 0-)

    congressman whose district got hit by the storm may oppose the rest of the Sandy relief funding.

    Unfortunately he's my congressman.

    "There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but none that I am prepared to kill for." - Gandhi

    by billyleeblack16 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 11:32:42 AM PST

  •  Actually I think this article should read: (0+ / 0-)

    "The President, Congress-HELL the Entire Government is  Screwing Every Last One of Us!"

    Followed by

    "Disaster in America! Few Survive The Flood of Terptitude"
    "Tyranny Washes Ashore"
    "If Only They Had Listened to History... Never again, never again...tomorrow more of the same"
    "How Could They Let It Happen"
    "Couldn't They See It? Blind To Tyranny! How?"

  •  House GOP (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans continue to prove that GOP actually stands for:
    Greedy Obstructionist Predators!

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