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Aaron Swartz committed suicide after being hounded by the DoJ for a victimless crime.

There are plenty of memorial diaries, but I'd like to focus on a fact-based look at the DoJ and its priorities. We need to take a good hard look at the facts:

Fact: The department of Justice is run by Holder and Obama

Fact: The DoJ is the most powerful govt agency after the Pentagon

Fact: The DoJ is the most "executive" of branches and therefore given the most latitude to express the direction of the executive branch without too much interference from Congress.

Fact: Aaron Swarz is dead, Kiriakoy is in jail, Manning was tortured and Assange is being extradited.

Fact: Blankfein, Pandit, Mozilo and Geithner are doing lecture tours

Fact: Libby, Addington, Yoo, Gonzales and Cheney are doing book signings

Fact: Obama has every power to change all of the above and chooses not to.

These facts are incredibly uncomfortable for me, but I have to face reality.

Come on, "reality based community". Are we going to face the facts that the DoJ is the one of the most dissapointing aspects of Obama's presidency?

I voted for him twice, he's better than the alternative, but today I am SICK.

Obama tells Holder who tells the USAA's what to go after. They have decided to go after pot, poker, occupy, whistleblowers and juvenile hackers. They have decided to completely ignore banksters, torturers, war criminals, corrupt officials and abusive cops.

That is OUR DoJ that is doing these things under the direction of OUR president.

Fuck this shit.

We need to push Obama to take executive action to re-align the priorities of the DoJ. It is the one aspect of government he controls with almost no obstruction.

The fact that the "other side" is unimaginably worse is no excuse not to be appalled at the current priorities of the DoJ as expressed clearly in their prosecutorial discretion.

I'd love to hear any ideas on how to pressure Obama and the democratic party to address issues of Justice and the rule of law. We must address the fact that fewer and fewer of us believes the "rule of law" anymore and how toxic that disilusionment will be for our future.

It's bad enough the torturers and banksters walk free among us. But they are also hounding the powerless, the activists and the protesters.

I want to do more than sign a petition. Ideas?

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  •  Pop quiz: (7+ / 0-)

    what government is trying to extradite Assange, and for what allegation by which government?

    "Every now & then your brain gifts you with the thought, 'oh, that's right, I don't actually give a **** about this.' Treasure it" -- jbou

    by kenlac on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 06:50:56 PM PST

    •  The diary has some misleading info (2+ / 0-)
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      But overall I think it has a fair point.

      Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

      by MrAnon on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 06:54:23 PM PST

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      •  help me correct it (9+ / 0-)

        what misleading info?

        I simply do not believe that three governments are working together (US, UK, Sweden) to extradite the founder of a site that leaked details of their war crimes, not because of the war crimes, the leaks or the embarrassment, but because they are concerned about allegations of rape. I think it is supremely naive to believe that is a coincidence.

        Nevertheless, I am prepared to see Assange go to jail for rape. What I don't want to see is Assange go to GITMO for WIkileaks. I think there are many rational people who would say that such a scenario is possible if not probable.

        Let's not derail the discussion please on the mention of one name. I am interested in the use of the power of the DoJ and its priorities, not discussing a single case. I think the list of cases prosecuted and more importantly those not prosecuted makes a clear argument for fucked up priorities, even if you remove that one name from the list.

        •  Some examples (15+ / 0-)

          Libby was pardoned under Bush, I don't think you can blame that on the current administration.

          Manning's treatment, while unacceptable, isn't under the jurisdiction of the Justice Department and Holder.

          In Holder's fairness there have been some Wall Street prosecutions, but not nearly at the size and severity that there should be.

          Other than that I mostly agree with your diary; while I generally am strongly supportive of the POTUS, this is one horrible are of his administration's policy.

          Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

          by MrAnon on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:15:36 PM PST

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          •  Thank you. (4+ / 0-)
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            Exaggeration and passionate disinformation are not the friends of progress.

            "Every now & then your brain gifts you with the thought, 'oh, that's right, I don't actually give a **** about this.' Treasure it" -- jbou

            by kenlac on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:19:47 PM PST

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            •  I guess I find it hard to differentiate the (7+ / 0-)

              responsibilities of administrations.

              The government is our government. We elect some people to supposedly head it. But, the reality is that monied interests control everything, regardless of who is in elected offices.

              As an overview of our nation's priorities, it is important to see the consistent patterns across administrations and parties.

              There is a continuum here. The fact that the same priorities are playing out is more damning, not less so.

          •  Fair comments (2+ / 0-)
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            I posed Libby as a counterpoint to Kiriakoy's prosecution, only because of how egregious it is. You are correct, he was pardoned by Bush, which was unpardonable.

            Manning's treatment is not under the jurisdiction of the DoJ, correct, it is under the DoD jurisdiction. I would argue both represent Obama's tactics vis-a-vis whistleblowers, but your point is absolutely correct.

            Pah! No fairness for Holder. The DoJ has RICO, wiretaps and the ability to flip people on plea deals. The IRS has enormous teeth. If they really wanted to they could unzip the entire bankster-mortgage-CDS conspiracy in a second. They already have enough I think they just are afraid of bringing down the financial system. As Taibbi says, the lies and coverups and the lack of prosecution is in fact what will bring down the financial system because they destroy the trust in contracts and the rule of law.

            Thanks! Great constructive criticism!

          •  including the one that just got reversed (4+ / 0-)

            as Mozillo got let out of jail?

            I'm not impressed, especially when I contrast the treatment of Wall St financiers with that, for instance, of Thomas Drake.

            You are right about Libby and Manning--though Obama saying that Manning was guilty before he even went to trial was pretty bad, seeing as how he is the head of the executive branch and of the military. So there are other ways in which Obama is partially complicit in what's happened to Manning.

            if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 11:44:20 PM PST

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          •  Libby wasn't pardoned (1+ / 0-)
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            His sentence was commuted. There is a real big difference. He is still a convicted felon in the eyes of the law.

            Consider selecting the stones you throw more carefully. When in doubt, don't throw it, because someone might pick it up and throw it back.

            In Holder's fairness there have been some Wall Street prosecutions, but not nearly at the size and severity that there should be.
            Once again, you have absolutely know idea what you are talking about yet you use a statement that has no basis in fact and use it as another rock .

            I'm not certain about Manning, so rather than commit the same grievous error you did repeatedly, I'm going to leave that rock on the ground.

      •  Updated (4+ / 0-)
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        I posted an update correcting the errors you pointed out.

        Thank you!

  •  Already Emailed the DOJ & Will Call Carmen Ortiz (13+ / 0-)

    office on Monday morning.  Her phone number is 617-748-3100.

    Prosecutor Carmen Ortiz hounded Aaron Schwartz  into his grave.  She upped 3 potential felony counts to 14, & he was facing from 30-50 years in prison due to Ms Ortiz pursuing an exceptionally harsh array of charges.

    She's been after Aaron for two years.  His alleged crime or "reckless damage" as Ms Ortiz called it was not pursued by both his "victims" JSTOR & MIT.

    He was 26 years old when he hung himself.  He had a history of depression & some other physical ailments.  She is said to have her eye on becoming Governor of Massachusetts.

    Rest in peace, Aaron.  You will not be forgotten.  Nor will Reddit....which you helped found.  

  •  Yeah, don't even bother with a petition (2+ / 0-)
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    The White House will inevitably respond with something along the lines of "we cannot comment on existing investigations."

    Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

    by MrAnon on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:16:18 PM PST

  •  Okay.. (11+ / 0-)
    I want to do more than sign a petition. Ideas?
    Bascially 2 things left in our arsenal:

    1) Gather millions of people to march in the streets protesting this administration's coddling of depraved aristocrats, war criminals, torture fetishists & financial sector swindlers (in other words, everybody listed in your diary).

    2) Form a type of SuperPAC that will contain billions of dollars specifically used to "influence legislation."

    I think we've tried the time-honored solution of voting.  Hasn't worked out as well as anticipated.  

    When we are subjected to a government as corrupt as ours, #1 & #2 seem the only viable alternatives.

    I'm worse at what I do best/ And for this gift I feel blessed. - Kurt Cobain

    by wyvern on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:22:46 PM PST

    •  Occupy (12+ / 0-)

      Occupy started this, by drawing attention to the injustice and lack of prosecution of bankers. Then by drawing attention to the injustice, brutality and vigorous prosecution of... themselves.

      Unlike many, I don't think Occupy "fizzled out". I think it was beaten into submission by a completely deliberate, orchestrated and coordinated attack by mayors, the FBI, banks and private security groups. They used excessive force, not (just) to hurt Occupiers but to discourage the middle class from considering joining them (hint: that's called terrorism). In the end, combined with a media campaign smearing them as DFH, it worked.

      However, the idea and meme of massive and pervasive injustice did not go away. It just needs another spark. Perhaps Aaron provided that spark.

      I don't think you will get millions to march anywhere, especially with militarized police.

      If we ever "become Greece" it will be because of this... endemic corruption, capricious "justice" and arbitrary enforcement of law based on who the victim or offender is, not based on the crime.

      •  what beat us Occupiers back into the shadows (11+ / 0-)

        was actually the lack of support from the people of this country.

        It was apparently more egregious for us to block traffic or possibly break a window than all the crimes our government is perpetrating against for the sake of the 1%.

        We have been treated with contempt by our peers. Look at how we're spoken of right here on DailyKos. So, why bother? Clearly, people love the loss of civil rights, the abuse of power, the war crimes, the torturing. As long as they don't have to spend an extra 5 minutes on in their car on the way to work.

        •  I will add that I have nearly left DailyKos (15+ / 0-)

          because of the way Occupy is spoken of and the contempt which held for the right to protest our government.

          I find it hard to be part of a community that wouldn't give it's dying breath to protect human and civil rights and would, instead, turn on those of us who give it a try.

          •  Fortunately... (0+ / 0-)

            ..I've never seen that many posts here that bad-mouth OWS.  

            Understand the relatively large number of manic- depressive cranks who post here do nothing but troll for diaries & comments that present prime opportunities for them to urinate on a given parade.

            Unfortunately, all this "trusted user" & arbitrary reward nonsense that is firmly intergrated into this board allow them too much community pestige to be adequtely dealt with.

            I'm worse at what I do best/ And for this gift I feel blessed. - Kurt Cobain

            by wyvern on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 08:11:36 AM PST

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        •  As a Lifelong Performer, I Accept That It is My (1+ / 0-)
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          obligation as a performer to move the masses. Not theirs to be moved by me.

          I won't criticize any particular thing about Occupy except to say that if they intend to move society the burden is on them to figure out how to do it.

          If you say the people are in the wrong you're taking the same positions as our conquerors.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:11:38 PM PST

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          •  fine. but when unlawful arrests occur and people (6+ / 0-)

            still claim that our actions were the problem, I take issue with that.

            But don't you worry. I won't be performing for you any more.

          •  Oh, that's rather simplistic (6+ / 0-)

            Occupy moved me, and many others. This isn't over yet, by far. What we have seen so far with Occupy is merely the first wave. I'm convinced more waves are yet to come (either using the name of Occupy, or some other label), so hang onto your surfboard, buster.

            Occupy has meant more to me, politically, than anything else in my lifetime, and has led to an exploration of concepts for me that is still ongoing and won't likely cease for the duration of my life.

            Occupy is simmering, still, in Portland Oregon. Smoldering. Getting organizational expereince of another kind, which is so very different than the typical top down uselessness we see in other groups.

            Occupy has failed? Excuse me? Actually, what have YOUR favorite groups (ex., the Democratic Party) done about global warming lately? And the banking industry? Nothing.

            Occupy has enormous potential... and it will only fail if we all fail.

            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

            by ZhenRen on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:39:26 PM PST

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            •  And it has been one year (6+ / 0-)

              Just one year.

              And people conveniently forget the thriving Occupy Sandy movement, sparked by and started by people who were trained by and inspired by the Occupy movement.  They've done wonders. They were there for people who were stranded.  They are still out there helping people every day.  I stood in one of their kitchens just last week in Brooklyn.  They thrive.

              Just the other day, the Idle No More movement thanked Occupy for helping them get organized.

              I am always amazed by those who are so happy to talk about how Occupy is dead and how it failed.  It is just a sign of ignorance, sometimes willful ignorance on the topic.

              Occupy is in its infancy.  And it planted seeds and continues to plant seeds.  But those who want to see this some other way, for whatever reason, will see it that way.  So be it.

              "Justice is a commodity"

              by joanneleon on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:22:04 PM PST

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              •  I should add (7+ / 0-)

                that all of those proclaiming that Occupy is dead also have conveniently forgotten that they have wiped $5 million worth of debt from the backs of random Americans who were saddled with it.  And that work continues too.

                They also, via the Occupy Homes movement, go out and defend people being evicted from their homes.

                So the next time you sit on your couch and gripe about what Occupy did or didn't do to your standards or to your liking, take these things into consideration.

                "Justice is a commodity"

                by joanneleon on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:25:29 PM PST

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          •  And sometimes... (4+ / 0-)
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            it is the fault of the audience.

            But what can you expect in a society corrupted by cheap flat screen TVs made in China, cheap tasteless beer and mindless football to make them forget they were all swindled by the 1% while losing their homes, their jobs, their savings.

            Yeah... it's not their fault.

            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

            by ZhenRen on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:54:51 PM PST

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          •  four decades of Friedmanomics (3+ / 0-)
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            combined with a sixty-year growth of the national security state got us into this mess, and you expect people to figure out how to solve the problem and market the solution in the space of a couple years?

            Obama is a hell of a performer, and boy can he move the masses. And he's moving them towards an escalation of the same failed policies that led to where we are now--in fact, he's seeking to move them back to where they were before the New Deal!

            Maybe it's not about finding the slickest showman to sell it to people, but about education. Which takes a long time and a lot of misunderstanding before you reach enlightenment.

            "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

            by limpidglass on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:30:15 PM PST

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            •  It's not the masses he is moving (2+ / 0-)
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              unless you mean he's moving them to understand that their views are not important to the conversation.

              the masses still believe that Social Security and Medicare should be preserved wholly  intact, and that jobs and a thriving economy should be higher priorities than a reduced deficit.

              I've rarely seen propaganda so ineffectual at moving the masses. But it is very effective in silencing all other points of view and shutting the conversation up in a hermetically sealed space where only "acceptable" views are spoken or heard.

              if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 12:03:43 AM PST

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          •  not the point (1+ / 0-)
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            the point is that other organizers and activists (for instance those on DKos) who supposedly have the same aims should not constantly cut down people on the front lines doing dangerous work for the greater good.

            I've often felt the pain Una describes above. It comes from thinking of the Democratic party as a team, and DKos as a subset of that team, bound together as allies. If you believe in those concepts, it will feel horrible, demoralizing, and quite painful when fellow Democrats and Kossacks defend police who pepper spray unarmed protesters in the eyes and mouth. It's worse when you were on the front lines with those unarmed protesters, and even worse if you were one of those targeted for abuse.

            But the source of the pain is a sense of betrayal, and the sense of betrayal comes from the idea that we were in solidarity with each other.  Which we were not, at least not in the way we once thought we were. This is a difficult adjustment to make, and there is little room or encouragement to think it out or discuss it here.

            if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 11:59:18 PM PST

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        •  I wouldn't judge so harshly (0+ / 0-)

          I have a friend who has a young child, and loans to repay. He's fortunate enough to have very marketable skills, so he quite logically has decided to take the most lucrative position he can find, so that he can provide a modest living for his family, rather than engage in protest against the system--which, after all, doesn't put food on the table for his kid, or pay his loans.

          He's made what seems to me a perfectly reasonable choice. And I'm extremely sympathetic to his position, even though I believe that ultimately the 1% are determined to suck up so much of the wealth that it will be impossible for people like my friend to have even a modicum of the middle-class lifestyle.

          But as long as enough people still believe that the American dream is achievable, then #Occupy won't achieve sufficient density.

          When the government escalated by busting heads and tossing #Occupiers in jail, many people decided that it was too high a price to pay. High unemployment makes people more reluctant to speak out. Even having an arrest on your record can make you unemployable these days, even if you're never charged with anything. Political orthodoxy is slowly becoming a tacit job requirement for all but the lowest-paying and shittiest jobs. And the government knows this.

          Even in Nazi Germany there were a lot of ordinary people who just tried to keep their heads down and try to survive as best they could.

          When the choice is between risking getting shot and orphaning your kids, and not rocking the boat, can you really condemn them for making the latter choice? Not everyone desires or is suited to be a martyr for a cause, nor should they be called evil or cowardly just because they choose not to be.

          #Occupy will mushroom again when the system collapses and drives people out into the streets en masse. Only when enough people realize that the system is so broken that there is no hope for them to get a reasonable life by staying in it--that the 1% really are coming for every single penny they have, will there be a critical mass of #Occupiers sufficient to start turning the tide.

          That is going to happen within Obama's second term. The jury-rigged, TBTF banking system which is even more bloated and less competitive, the eurozone crisis, the megadrought which will cause a spike in food prices this year. An accident in Arctic drilling. Unrest in the Middle East that causes an oil shock. Something.

          The Weimar Republic had nothing like #Occupy. Maybe if they had, the terrible events that followed its collapse would never have happened. Fortunately, we do have it, and so there is hope that we won't end like they did.

          "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

          by limpidglass on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:20:16 PM PST

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          •  "many people decided that it was too high a price (2+ / 0-)
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            to pay"

            higher than climate collapse and the billions of people being abused, murdered or starved around the world.

            we're all so self-centered and too unwilling to be inconvenienced.

            whatever. as long as YOUR family is getting by. As long as it's not YOUR kid getting tortured by our government.

            Whatever. I get it. I won't be bothered to try to convince anyone. I'll only be condemned for being "harsh" and "judgmental."

      •  Millions might march (2+ / 0-)
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        but we're not ready for it.

        We need, at some point soon, to talk about what's really going on with us as a movement, and in particular the role that Obama has played in relation to us.  Other Democrats too, and the Democratic party in general, but Obama in particular.

        We need to be able to tell the truth about the last 4 years and about where we currently are, and we should do that before we organize anything else. Because if we haven't faced the truth of our circumstances, we won't organize well or correctly. And if we don't deal with how we feel about our history and circumstances, it's likely we'll end up dead--or so inwardly wounded that we are ineffectual political actors.

        I think we need retreats. All around the country. We need to pull within so that we can cry, speak honestly, and formulate new plans based on the reality we currently inhabit--not the reality we thought we inhabited in 2002, when electing "more and better Democrats" looked like a solution.

        if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 11:52:40 PM PST

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        •  precisely (1+ / 0-)
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          Traditionally, the national Democratic Party standard bearer, whether he/she is President or not, has stood for core principles like law enforcement, antitrust enforcement, middle class earned benefit programs like Social Security & Medicare, the right to collectively bargain in the workplace, the Bill of Rights, protection for whistleblowers, etc.

          This is no longer the case. And this is such a momentus shift, such a drastic departure from the Democratic Party that our parents knew, that people don't get it and have not adjusted - there is a cognitive dissonance that has paralyzed people.

          When one hears the soaring rhetoric of the audacity of hope and the change we can believe in, it sounds very much like the Democrats we knew and loved. But it's far more important to look at what they actually do rather than what they say. And what they've done is shocking and dispiriting.

      •  To be fair thought, there was in fighting within (1+ / 0-)
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        the movement.  The Daily Show and Colbert Report's coverage of Occupy showcased this and it didn't look good for the movement.  Plus the Rolling Stone article, which I believe has always painted the OWS movement in a very positive light and Taibbi himself reached out to the movement with advice as well.  I personally think Marissa Holmes should've handed off the movement to Shen Tong who has more experience organizing successful protests.  I appreciate what Holmes has started but I think if the movement had transitioned under new leadership, it might've been in a better position.  

        Funny Stuff at

        by poopdogcomedy on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 04:53:51 AM PST

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        •  But they're comedians!... (0+ / 0-)

          ..every time I point out it's not Jon Stewart's job to act as High Advocate of public debate (talking about his "civil tone" nonsense) somebody always jumps in & reminds me, "He's only a comedian."

          Right, he's only a comedian.

          That's why he should not be acting as self-appointed arbiter of public debate rules.

          But to your point...OWS was never going to receive anything but mockery from Stewart & (to a lesser extent) Colbert.  They are not wired to even understand something like OWS, much less get behind it.


          I'm worse at what I do best/ And for this gift I feel blessed. - Kurt Cobain

          by wyvern on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 08:18:03 AM PST

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    •  Or, as we suggested on the radio (0+ / 0-)

      and as I posted in a Diary here, get ourselves incorporated.
      Fight fire with fire.

    •  striking, occupying, civil disobedience (0+ / 0-)

      is what we're down to.

      But tonight I'm just grieving. Somehow I'm finding it hard to believe that it happened to someone as accomplished as Aaron. It's like it's hard to believe that he's gone.

      if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 11:46:20 PM PST

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  •  Yep, I've had enough of this crap (14+ / 0-)

    Holder has been criminally negligent as AG and I have no idea if Obama is paying attention or playing political 11-dimentional chess. This situation however has me completely livid.

    As an academic who got government funding for research and had to sometime pay journals for color images at exorbitant rates with my federal funds, but I needed to publish in those journals in order to succeed as an academic........I'm fucking furious.

    This has to stop. I was happy that some Stanford Profs started the PLOS movement of open access publishing and have now gotten many journals to open up their archives but get this...our federal gvmt pays University researchers grant money to do research, the researchers sometimes have to pay to publish in certain journals (Elsevier) and our university libraries have to pay a fortune to have access to the data from the research we funded. The whole shebang is crooked.

    Then the AG's office decide to put a do-gooder in prison for life for preparing to do something...He committed a thought crime.

    It's f'ing insane and must be corrected.

    Listen to Netroots Radio or to our pods on Stitcher. "We are but temporary visitors on this planet. The microbes own this place" <- Me

    by yuriwho on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:34:29 PM PST

    •  Playing "11-dimensional chess" (2+ / 0-)
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      Often results in some important pieces being sacrificed.

      Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

      by MrAnon on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:50:29 PM PST

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    •  We'll be discussing this live on Netroots Radio (1+ / 0-)
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      if you have something to say please call us at: 1-417-717-1454

      We would like to hear from you.

      Listen to Netroots Radio or to our pods on Stitcher. "We are but temporary visitors on this planet. The microbes own this place" <- Me

      by yuriwho on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:57:25 PM PST

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      •  Thank you for that (6+ / 0-)

        and for your comments about the corrupt process of publishing and allowing access to research.

        My fiance and his colleagues were just the other day talking about the same thing.

        And in his work as an independent consultant, he needs access to these journals sometimes.  Just recently he wanted to reference one paper in his work and they were charging $40 for each paper and he wasn't even sure if the information that he needed would be in those papers.  He was willing to pay for the ones that would end up in his work as refererences but he could not even look at them first without paying for all of the candidate research papers, and these projects were funded by the government.  

        Also, the academics who did the actual work are not compensated by these download fees.  

        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:31:21 PM PST

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    •  The live show just ended (1+ / 0-)
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      contact me if you have something more to say

      Listen to Netroots Radio or to our pods on Stitcher. "We are but temporary visitors on this planet. The microbes own this place" <- Me

      by yuriwho on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:06:28 PM PST

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  •  Uprated because of hide rate abuse. (9+ / 0-)

    Discussing the inequity of our justice system is not hide rateable.

    I might add that this is a passionate subject for many of us and that the possible punishment this young man faced in no way fit the "crime."

  •  Rebuking DOJ: not the move of a chess master (0+ / 0-)

    Sargon has a better plan for us all.

    (It does not involve prosecuting banksters, fraudsters, or torture-mongers.)

    Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore

    by Minerva on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:56:57 PM PST

  •  I think a petition would be useful. (0+ / 0-)

    But it should be for the removal of Ms. Carmen Ortiz as US Attorney for the District of Massachusetts. Her massive overcharging of this case makes her discretion questionable, and there are certainly other competent and fair prosecutors in the Department of Justice, who can replace her. if she is doing this in such a high profile case, what about other individuals who aren't so fortunate to have Larry Lessig on their defense team?

  •  Corporations and Governments are most afraid... (4+ / 0-)

    of is wicked smart people who cannot be bought.   It's like that line from Syriana "Corruption is why we win".  

    President Obama would have been a Republican in the 1980's.

    by Jacoby Jonze on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:27:15 PM PST

    •  Doesn't matter whether it is the left, centrist or (2+ / 0-)
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      marvinborg, SouthernLiberalinMD

      rightist authoritarian state. The intelligent, articulate and uncorrupted are always the first targets. It is almost step one of state intimidation. From Sparta, through renaissance Italy, monarchal England, nazi Germany, the USSR, to modern America.

      If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849

      by shigeru on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:48:51 PM PST

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  •  Isn't Assange still holed up in the Ecaudorean (3+ / 0-)

    Embassy in London?

    Great Britain can't extradite him unless a) they storm the embassy or b) he leaves the embassy.

    © cai Visit to join the fight against global warming.

    by cai on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:30:00 PM PST

  •  Actually, that's not quite correct. (2+ / 0-)
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    Sue B, Notreadytobenice

    The Justice Department is independent of the executive in its role as an intermediary between the executive and the judicial branch. There is an assumption that, because the functions are merely ministerial (they don't make final decisions) that their behavior should be absolutely immune from review, unless it can be demonstrated that there is personal bias or a profit motive. Ambition, even political ambition, does not count. Indeed, ambition is supposed to be a good thing and produce people who are dedicated to their jobs.
    The prosecutorial function is a weakness in our legal system. More troubling is that the absolute immunity prosecutors enjoy is a matter of tradition and is not even codified. The current Supremes heard a case which looked to address the matter. However, the county, whose prosecutor was at fault for having sent two innocent men to prison for 27 years, settled the litigation before the Supremes got around to reaching a decision. It seems probable that one of the main reasons for settling was the perception that the Court was going to rule against the prosecutor's side and thereby set a precedent that the prosecutorial fraternity doesn't want. They like their autonomy. What's it worth to be the only group that's absolutely immune even from reprimands?

    These are long-standing legal problems. I don't think Obama and Holder should be faulted for bringing them into the light of day with exemplars that get the country's attention. The failure to rein in prosecutors lies with Congress. The permissive legislation that gives private corporations virtual immunity from prosecution has been passed by Congress. The image of the President as an all-powerful executive has been created by Congress to distract from its own culpability and laziness.
    Obama likes him a kerfuffle. People need to be riled up, if there is to be change.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 12:31:34 AM PST

    •  Very informative - Jaga's wiki: (0+ / 0-)
      (Jaga changed his name from Pratt)

      Geronimo Ji Jaga's conviction was vacated on June 10, 1997, on the grounds that the prosecution had concealed evidence that might have influenced the jury's verdict. The prosecution had not disclosed the extent to which a key witness against Pratt, Julius Butler, provided information to the FBI and the Los Angeles Police Department. An appeals court ruled this fact to be "'favorable' to the defendant, 'suppressed' by a law enforcement agency, and 'material' to the jury's decision to convict" in 1999 and upheld the decision, freeing him.
      Geronimo Ji Jaga eventually received $4.5 million as settlement for false imprisonment. A federal judge approved the settlement of the civil suit: The city of L.A. paid $2.75 million of the settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice paying the $1.75 million remainder
  •  he's not going to be extradited (0+ / 0-)

    well maybe to Sweden, on the rape issue (which should happen, no excuses)

    ain't gonna happen to the US

  •  Re: Ideas (0+ / 0-)

    Make a sign. Protest outside 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in Washington DC.

  •  Now that the TJ HR has been removed (1+ / 1-)
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    Lady Libertine

    How about everyone else removing the HR from raptavio? Your justification is gone. Now all of you are abusing your privilege.

    BTW, I stopped reading after the reference to Saint John Kiriakou. He is still a torturer and a coward, not a brave whistleblower.

    •  Should Kiriaku (1+ / 0-)
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      have been prosecuted for revealing the government's tolerance of torture?

      Speech is the issue here. It's whistle blowing because he revealed details about use of torture by the state.

      And it doesn't surprise me that you defend someone who hide-rates a tip jar to curtail speech.

      Seems that doesn't bother you, either here or when it comes to revealing details about torture.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 01:29:28 PM PST

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    •  No (2+ / 0-)
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      Burned, ZhenRen

      nothing personal to you or anyone else, but the offending comment should remain hidden out of respect for the family if nothing else.

      My comment was thoughtless and graceless and I have retracted it along with the HR. I accept responsibility for the consequences.
      raptavio himself is in agreement that it should remain hidden and I would hope that he would join me now in my HR of this comment so that this is hidden as well.

      The fact that he retrieved his HR from the TJ is irrelevant. These claims of "retaliatory HR's" are baseless.

      I hope we can all agree to show some decency and consideration for Aaron's loved ones who still grieve this recent, tragic loss.

      Get out there and get peace, think peace, live peace, and breathe peace, and you'll get it as soon as you like.” ~ John Lennon

      by Lady Libertine on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 01:35:08 PM PST

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      •  Aaron Swartz was well loved by so many people (1+ / 0-)
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        he had a wider "family" in New York City. All of them would be offended by some of the ignorant comments seen here.

        ❧To thine ownself be true

        by Agathena on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 04:27:47 PM PST

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      •  A bit overwrought (0+ / 0-)

        I would think that an advocate for the family of Aaron Swartz, a victim of all-too-familiar prosecutorial overreach who probably did more good than bad when he downloaded the JSTOR files, would stick with that overreach. Bringing in Scooter Libby (pardoned by Bush) and an admitted torturer for the CIA only makes Mr. Swartz look dirty. He wasn't, and it's a disservice to even mention them alongside him.

        Stick with Aaron Swartz and the diarist has a point. Going way off the rails, the diarist destroys his own credibility. Aaron Swartz and his family deserve better.

    •  I haven't HRd it (1+ / 0-)
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      But I will if it gets uprates.
      The whole thread needs disappearing. It's grotesque in light of the life lost and the general positive direction the diary was going in, and I think raptavio agrees with that.
      He will survive to comment on a blog again.

      •  Going to recommend Dr. Squid's (0+ / 0-)

        threats are not helpful. You think raptavio agrees but don't see him rec'ng your comment.

        •  sigh (1+ / 0-)
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          raptavio would probably hiderate his own comment if he could! ;-)

          I agree.

          It should remain hidden.

          I'm not participating in the diary because anything I would have to say about it would, unfortunately, be taken in light of my initial ill-chosen remarks. So it's better for me to constrain my remarks to the hidden sub-thread.

          We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

          by raptavio on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 11:17:45 AM CST

          Perhaps Ive not made myself clear. This thread (that we are in now), started by Dr Squids comment, is not nested under the Hidden sub-thread and is therefore clearly visible to any casual reader, any non TU, including members of Aaron's family who might happen upon it.

          Because this thread now references & discusses content that has been hidden, by decision of community moderation use of the hiderate, it too should be hidden from view. Your uprating it in reaction to some imagined "threat" by Burned is illogical and counter-productive.

          If Squid wants to come back with a fresh clean comment and debate Kiriaku's character or guilt, he can do that until the cows come home for all I care. It can be debated or judged on its own merit.

          That has nothing to do with my reasons for the HR here.

          Please remove your Uprate and, if you understand my concern, replace it with a donut, out of respect for the family. Or just leave it alone, up to you as ever. As of now, it is still visible to all.

          This is a simple thing, really.

          Get out there and get peace, think peace, live peace, and breathe peace, and you'll get it as soon as you like.” ~ John Lennon

          by Lady Libertine on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 04:18:22 PM PST

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    •  Kiriakou blew the whistle on torture (1+ / 0-)
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      he was the first one to describe water boarding as torture. Have you got some new evidence that he was a "torturer and a coward."


      ❧To thine ownself be true

      by Agathena on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 04:25:25 PM PST

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