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Pew poll on gun violence proposals

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Pew:

While the issue of gun control remains divisive, there are clear areas of agreement when it comes to a number of gun policy proposals. Fully 85% of Americans favor making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks, with comparable support from Republicans, Democrats and independents. Similarly, 80% support laws to prevent mentally ill people from purchasing guns, with broad support across party lines.

But this bipartisan consensus breaks down when it comes to other proposals. Two-thirds of Americans (67%) favor creating a federal database to track gun sales, but there is a wide partisan divide between Democrats (84%) and Republicans (49%). A smaller majority of the public (55%) favors a ban on assault-style weapons; Democrats (69%) also are far more likely than Republicans (44%) to support this. Similar partisan divides exist when it comes to banning high-capacity ammunition clips or the sale of ammunition online.

AP:
Jumping out ahead of Washington, New York enacted the nation's toughest gun restrictions Tuesday and the first since the Connecticut school shooting, including an expanded assault-weapon ban and mandatory background checks for buying ammunition.

Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed the measure into law less than an hour after it won final passage in the Legislature, with supporters hailing it as a model for the nation and gun-rights activists condemning it as a knee-jerk piece of legislation that won't make anyone safer and is too extreme to win support in the rest of the country.

Rest of the country like CT, MD, CO where proposals are on the table? How about those Pew (In Gun Control Debate, Several Options Draw Majority Support) and ABC/WaPo (After Newtown Shootings, Most Back Some Gun Controls, Poll Shows) polls? How about ME (Poll finds support for guns – as well as limits – in Maine) and NJ (Gun control finds support in N.J., according to latest poll)?

Harry Enten:

My advice for the president as someone who reads polls: go for it, if it's what you want to do. There is much discussion that acting by executive order would be seen as a "totalitarian" action and provoke a backlash. Nonsense, so long as the order is supporting a measure the public favors.
NY Times:
A new federal assault weapons ban and background checks of all gun buyers, which President Obama is expected to propose on Wednesday, might have done little to prevent the massacre in Newtown, Conn., last month. The semiautomatic rifle that Adam Lanza used to shoot 20 schoolchildren and 6 adults complied with Connecticut’s assault weapons ban, the police said, and he did not buy the gun himself.

But another proposal that Mr. Obama is expected to make could well have slowed Mr. Lanza’s rampage: banning high-capacity magazines, like the 30-round magazines that the police said Mr. Lanza used, which have been factors in several other recent mass shootings.

It's a package. No one thing matters by itself. But the NY state bill and these proposals are a big loss for the NRA. See the first line in the next post.

NY Times/Richard W Stevenson:

In a high-stakes negotiation, the most important moves often come not in the end game but at the very start, when one side or the other prevails in defining what is on the table. If you listened closely, you might have heard President Obama try to do just that in his news conference on Monday, when he suggested that Washington will have tamed the government’s debt problems if the two parties can agree on another $1.5 trillion or so in spending cuts and tax increases.

Fiscal hawks and small-government conservatives say the White House is setting the bar for fiscal responsibility way too low and just kicking the can down the road again on hard decisions that will only become more painful as time goes by. But Mr. Obama appeared intent on establishing that he was just one more deal away from putting the government back on sound footing, if only Republicans would go along.

WaPo:
Davidson, a retired software developer in South Carolina, has been predicting for four years that hardcore anti-Obama agitation would dissipate, but it keeps going, driven, he believes, by anti-black sentiment. “I’ve seen more openly racist remarks since the election,” he says. “Before November, they were careful to control the racist language because they were trying to persuade people to vote against him. Now they sort of don’t care.”
Daily Beast:
From almost the moment Barack Obama named Chuck Hagel to helm the Defense Department, the media announced Hagel faced a tough battle for his Senate confirmation, hinging on the voices and, eventually, votes of New York's delegation. Sen. Chuck Schumer led the way, repeatedly expressing concerns about Hagel's Mideast positions, followed by his junior colleague Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand. The two Democrats were even targeted today in a full-page ad in the New York Times by Bill Kristol's far-right Emergency Committee for Israel urging a 'no' vote. But the timing of the ad—which can run as much as $150,000—was ill-fated: Today, Schumer came out in support of Hagel. Gillibrand, too, is not poised to buck the president on his defense pick. And with 55 Democrats in the Senate set to fall in line, only a few of Hagel's fellow Republicans will need to be peeled off to block a filibuster—a possibility that sources say is not even being discussed by Republicans on the Hill.
Eugene Robinson:
Obama flatly ruled out two scenarios that have been proposed as ways for him to raise the debt limit without approval by Congress — invoking an obscure clause in the 14th Amendment or, more fancifully, minting a trillion-dollar platinum coin. “There are no magic tricks here,” he said. “There are no loopholes. There are no easy outs.”

But he did appear to leave one door slightly ajar. Raising the debt ceiling has nothing to do with future spending; it merely provides the funds for expenditures Congress has already approved. Obama noted that if Congress fails to act, it will have given him two conflicting orders: Spend a specific amount of money on specific programs, but do not obtain the funds to make this spending possible. Some scholars have suggested that Obama just declare the instruction to spend outweighs the instruction not to borrow, and then let the Supreme Court eventually sort things out.

Matthew Herper/Forbes:
A Vaccine Eliminated A Deadly Killer Of Infants. So Why Do Some People Fear It?
Michael Tomasky:
This tweet, which arrived midafternoon yesterday from the redoubtable @LOLGOP, really does say it all: “The GOP is rebranding itself from a party that accidentally blows up the world economy to one that purposely blows up the world economy.” How quaint today seem George W. Bush and his economic minions, with their endearing good intentions! We learn now from Politico that the current crop is ready to take the country, and the world, down to the gates of hell. Many of them have now passed the point of wanting to get their way. On some twisted level, they want not to get their way—to blow up the building just to see what happens.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:30 AM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA.

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  •  Excellent Round Up- thank you (7+ / 0-)

    as time keeps passing

    bigot tyrants keep yapping

    and a firm demeanor of resolve and reason continue

    the people will see, many many more will see

    People who say they don't care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don't care what people think. -George Carlin

    by downtownLALife on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:35:44 AM PST

    •  Obama the Despot....whodathunkit. (0+ / 0-)
      •  lol (1+ / 0-)
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        skillet

        lol... sorta
        guess the fella's a bit pissed off after the shellacking of the first term. i would be too

        People who say they don't care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don't care what people think. -George Carlin

        by downtownLALife on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:46:42 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  The anti-gun control people are freaking. (3+ / 0-)
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          downtownLALife, DRo, Laconic Lib
          •  and where did they think it would go? (1+ / 0-)
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            skillet

            hmm

            People who say they don't care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don't care what people think. -George Carlin

            by downtownLALife on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:52:53 AM PST

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          •  I would observe that there is reasoned discussion (5+ / 0-)

            on the subject but the media, as usual, is focused on the outliers as opposed to the actual content of the debate itself.

            •  'He who has the biggest gun makes the rules'....no (2+ / 0-)
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              DRo, Stude Dude

              that can't be right.

            •  we've had some pretty reasonable discussion right (2+ / 0-)
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              Amber6541, entlord

              here, form gun owners, gun rights advocates and gun violence abhorrers (all of us).

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 05:55:58 AM PST

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            •  Pretty much all the media is absent educating (3+ / 0-)
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              Greg Dworkin, Amber6541, entlord

              the public on fundamental civics as to how things are supposed to work, responsibility of the various branches of federal government and often just what terms mean. That, probably somewhat a chicken/egg situation, combined with the abysmal ignorance of most of the public is responsible for much of what ails us.

              The tempest over the possibility of an E.O. is an example. As Chief Executive a president has perfect right to direct the Executive Department how to do its work as long as it does not violate standing law. For example an E.O. directing all agencies to share data regarding firearms is absolutely within the rights of the Chief Executive unless there is a specific law to the contrary—and with a near unlimited staff of legal experts staffing an E.O. it will be crafted to address such.

              What we have here is a rump segment of society hanging on to one house of Congress trying to make the House the dictator. The House is actually not doing a bad job of that in the negative sense of blocking the will of the majority across the board.

              The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

              by pelagicray on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 06:34:07 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

      •  whaddya expect after King Bill (2+ / 0-)
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        skillet, wintergreen8694

        who was followed by the good and gentle revolutionary figure of GWB who presided over the peaceful kingdom of rainbows and unicorns, much beloved by all of its neighbors.  I really have to quit listening to Hannity...............

  •  Picking your battles. (2+ / 0-)
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    downtownLALife, LordMike

    I've been watching this for a couple of generations. The Democrats say they are fighting for the little guy over the plutocracy. We've been losing. The Republicans say they are fighting against government tyranny. They seem to be winning, there isn't much government tyranny. Of course there probably wasn't going to be much government tyranny in America anyway, but that's how to pick your battles.

    We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

    by PowWowPollock on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:39:56 AM PST

    •  interesting (0+ / 0-)

      any government tyranny imposed will be predicated and directed by the big money plutocracy. for them it is only about money, debt, liaibility. if it's not about money- both tiers don't give a shit.

      up and coming-
      credit/debt cards with rfid chips-

      well hell, that's what i would do

      cheers

      People who say they don't care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don't care what people think. -George Carlin

      by downtownLALife on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:51:14 AM PST

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    •  problem for GOP is that their strategy works (3+ / 0-)

      so long as it does not affect the people they are scamming.  For example, Newt crashed and burned when he closed down the government and all of a sudden SS and veteran checks were not delivered on time.

      Same for MC where you see people with signs that say "No Socialized Medicine" who are clearly on MC.  Start taking away MC or cutting SS and the GOP is singing and dancing on the third rail

  •  Semi-automatic weapons, being no more than (3+ / 0-)
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    weapons that fire every time you pull the trigger (without re-cocking the trigger or reloading), will never be banned.  Ever.  

    I wonder how many of the poll respondents even know what a semi-automatic weapon is.  

    Intolerance betrays want of faith in one's cause. - Gandhi

    by SpamNunn on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:41:27 AM PST

    •  Probably most think the question is about full (2+ / 0-)
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      Jim M, DarthMeow504

      auto weapons, which - if TV and movies are to be believed - are ubiquitous and constantly involved in criminal violence.

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:55:16 AM PST

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    •  which is why it is necessary to try to educate (2+ / 0-)
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      Greg Dworkin, DarthMeow504

      people.  Fanatics on either end of the spectrum will never alter their positions but it is possible to make sure their POV does not become the CW.

      For example, a recent call for a ban on magazines led to a discussion as to what was meant by magazine vs clip.  Many people seemed to not be aware that a ban on all magazine weapons would include sidewheelers and also venerable weapons such as the Henry and Winchester repeating rifles.

  •  The NRA....a gun control advocate's best friend... (1+ / 0-)
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    ratcityreprobate

    these people have all the finesse of a buffalo shot multiple times with a Bushmaster.

  •  Thanks for the roundup, Greg (2+ / 0-)
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    wintergreen8694, Remediator

    Can we borrow the New York legislature for Virginia, please?  And while we're at it, borrow Cuomo to sit in our gubernatorial seat?  They all appear to be perfectly sane.

    Not looking forward to the fiscal cliff-crash-whatever it's going to be.  What a crackpot bunch of bastards.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:49:36 AM PST

  •  looks as if GOP would be 100% for gun control (5+ / 0-)
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    skillet, DRo, skohayes, Remediator, Amber6541

    Stricter laws may keep them from shooting themselves in the foot

  •  Just so you know what is at stake in Virginia (2+ / 0-)
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    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:51:54 AM PST

    •  Can Cuccinelli win? (0+ / 0-)

      I thought he was too nuts even for Virginia?

      And has there EVER been a move to end Virginia's stupid term limits for governor?

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 05:51:11 AM PST

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      •  Not that I know of (0+ / 0-)

        It's also stupid that they elect governors in off-off years. They will have elections 3 years in a row, that has to be some ridiculous expense to the taxpayers. They should elect governor's in off years when they also elect a new legislature.

        •  The legislature is also elected in off-off years. (1+ / 0-)
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          MRobDC

          Virginia's entire state government is elected outside the federal election cycle. See "Virginia’s Off-Off-Year Elections:

          It’s like a quick fix for the electoral junkie who didn’t quite get enough the last go around. Every four years on the odd-numbered year after the presidential elections, Virginia and New Jersey hold elections for Governor (Virginia also elects its Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General as well). They are the only states to hold such elections at this time. These are called “off-off-year” elections because they occur two-cycles off the presidential election cycle (presidential election years being the “on” year elections, mid-term election years being the “off” year elections, and odd-year elections being the “off-off” year elections).
          The full slate for Virginia's 2009 off-off election is here at the State Board of Elections (SBE) November 2009 General Election Official Results where you will find General Assembly results as well. You will not find General Assembly elections in the just off year [November 2, 2010 General and Special Elections Official Results ] or presidential year November 6, 2012 General Election Official Results.

          And, yeah, it is a ridiculous expense to have a general election in off-off years.

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 06:59:23 AM PST

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      •  Yes he could. He has a record of success in (1+ / 0-)
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        Amber6541

        Virginia's off-off year elections that is a bit counter intuitive to his entry into state politics in blue Fairfax county. Then only 16% of the registered voters turned up for that little special election in August 2002 that got him name recognition and darling of the state's most troglodyte voter status. Never underestimate the Cooch to pull one off for what is a start of the tale of the Cooch if you want to follow my thread of his ability to win elections where Virginia's "national voters" sit by.

        It is a lesson of why every election is important. Even if there is no desirable candidate running we have the opportunity to kill the political careers of the worst before they start. Elections are democracy's housecleaning as well as triumphs.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:07:59 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  in case you missed it last night (0+ / 0-)

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:52:40 AM PST

  •  You know, (6+ / 0-)

    when I was a kid the GOP was the sober, responsible and boring party.

    Early to rise and early to bed Makes a man healthy, wealthy, and dead. --Not Benjamin Franklin

    by Boundegar on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:54:00 AM PST

  •  The gun nuts are losing (4+ / 0-)

    Any action from our leaders would be an improvement from the total silence that usually marks the aftermath of our routine mass shootings in this country. America has been held hostage by the hacks of the NRA for far too long. It is sickening that it had to take the mass murder of first graders for lawmakers and the president to assert their role in protecting citizens, and even then we may not achieve anything of substance thanks to conservative intransigence. The United States stands out as an uncivilized and deadly hotbed of gun violence when compared to other industrialized nations. This must change.    -  progressive

    •  If you can't protect your own children, (0+ / 0-)

      you ain't nothing. Everything else is just words.

      We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

      by PowWowPollock on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 05:21:31 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  You won't achieve anything with prohibition (0+ / 0-)

      and if cooler heads don't prevail we're going to see the same bullshit of the War On Drugs all over again except worse. And all you well-meaning, emotionally driven but ignorant people will have a debacle of legendary proportions laid at your feet. And the blood and treasure of the country squandered fighting it.

      You can NOT put 200 year old technology back in the genie bottle. You're only going to make a few new Al Capones and a casualty list of dead, wounded, damaged, and imprisoned citizens a mile long. And you won't save a single child in the process. Not one.

      "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

      by DarthMeow504 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 09:08:19 PM PST

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  •  Warning from the Trenches (0+ / 0-)

    is the title of this piece from ACADEME, a publication of the American Association of University Professors

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 04:54:06 AM PST

  •  So according to a piece at the Daily Caller*, (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Remediator

    one of the many über-ignorant statements Coulter let fly on Hannity's Showcase of Stupid early this week was the notion that the GOP's next president should - via executive order - just ban abortionists and abortion clinics.**

    Apparently Coulter hasn't been keeping up with what's happening at the state level all across this nation (like Mississippi).

    I can't help but think she'd feel differently if states started banning ammunition and ammunition sellers.

    * It's even funnier than BigBreitbart or ClownHall.con
    ** Warning - link goes to Tuckerville.

    If gun nuts are afraid of a tyrannical government wouldn't they want *less* defense spending?

    by here4tehbeer on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 05:02:23 AM PST

    •  When states stop worrying about women's health (4+ / 0-)

      women start dying:

      Jamie Lynn Russell was 33 years old when she went to an emergency room in Pauls Valley, Oklahoma in such debilitating pain that she was unable to move. Because her excruciating pain prevented her from lying down for an examination, hospital staff labeled her “noncompliant,” and called the police. The police discovered that she had two pain pills that weren't hers. Still in pain, she was released by the hospital as “fit to incarcerate,” arrested for drug possession, and taken to jail, where she died two hours later from a ruptured ectopic pregnancy.
      http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/...
      Hundreds of women have been arrested, convicted, jailed, detained in mental institutions or forced to endure medical procedures as a result of the “criminalisation of pregnancy” over the last four decades, a new report has found.

      In the first study of its kind, to be published on Tuesday, researchers from the National Advocates for Pregnant Women (NAPW) identified 413 criminal and civil cases across 44 states involving the arrests, detentions and equivalent deprivations of pregnant women’s liberty between 1973 and 2005. NAWP said that it is aware of a further 250 cases since 2005. Both figures are likely to be underestimates, it said.

      The report, which will appear in the Journal of Health Politics, Policy and Law, found that women were denied a wide range of basic human rights, including the right to life, liberty, equal protection and due process of law “based solely on their pregnancy status”.

      http://www.rawstory.com/...

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 05:34:20 AM PST

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      •  Yup. And the problem with the myriad Coulters (1+ / 0-)
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        and Atwaters of the world is that they'll spew a lifetime of Purpose-Driven Hate then seek salvation and forgiveness as they draw their next to last breath.

        Their last breath, of course, being "HA!! JUST KIDDING!!!!"

        On a side note - one of the many thoughts that crossed my mind when I first read that Oklahoma ER story was being surprised the cops didn't Taser her.

        That's how frakked-up "normal" has become :/

        If gun nuts are afraid of a tyrannical government wouldn't they want *less* defense spending?

        by here4tehbeer on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 06:31:58 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Just shows the abysmal ignorance about E.O.s as (1+ / 0-)
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      here4tehbeer

      well as I noted above.

      An Executive Order only directs the Executive Branch, of which the Chief Executive is the head, how to do business within the law. One can expand the law in the sense that unless prohibited by law direct the members of the branch how to do business. Security classification is a prime example.

      The law is very unspecific on classification issues. The Chief Executive essentially sets up the entire system of what is classified what, how it is downgraded or exceptions made, how classified material is handled and so on.

      Since there is a SCOTUS decision making law on abortion the idea of an E.O. banning it is another wet dream and red herring of a whack job TP/GOP type.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:17:01 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I miss talk of a Unitary President (4+ / 0-)

    Let's bring back the concept. As we also bring back some of the greatest hits from the Bush/Cheney age; 'Deficits don't matter', could be a starting point.
    I just think it would be a good thing if our media (with help from us) would remind people what was being said and done by the former administration and how their actions still affect the nation and the world. Two unpaid for wars, tax breaks during a time of war while post phoning payments for those wars is primary to understanding our current problems.
    But, aluminum tubes, yellow cake, deregulation, tax money to religions, and the Unitary President aren't ancient history. The media that regularly shills for the GOP, must be reclaimed for the health of us all.
    If we stay focussed on the real enemies, we will endure. That will be a real Citizens United decision.

  •  Pediatricians rock! ;-) (2+ / 0-)
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    Remediator, Greg Dworkin

    Excellent round-up, Greg.

    My lady binder is killing me.

    by surfermom on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 05:17:13 AM PST

  •  At some meeting somewhere, (1+ / 0-)
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    skohayes

    some group of Repulicans -- who knows which ones -- will have to gather and make a few difficult choices.  

    They've let the lunatics have access to the control panel and their brand is damaged.  

    The issues they're losing on are the ones that motivate a lot of voters to support Democrats.  A freightload of cash went into advertising against Democratic Senate candidates this last cycle, but it didn't work in Indiana and Missouri because two misogynist lunatics thought that rape was more or less ok.  I'm guessing quite a few women voters disagreed.  Some menfolk, too.

    I watched the recent clip of Alex Jones on Piers Morgan.  Mr. Jones spewed the fury but his his whole body looked contorted in opposition to even let another viewpoint in.  An ugly performance on the conservative side of the gun violence issue.  

    And while firebrands like Yeager and Jones are throwing savage temper-tantrums in the media, New York State just passed -- and a Democratic governor signed -- gun control legislation -- methodically, appropriately, and much more quietly.  

  •  Liberals to pay more @ (2+ / 0-)
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    skohayes, Greg Dworkin

    George Burnett's I Love Drilling Smoothie & Juice Bar Adds $1 Surcharge For Liberal Customers

     “Punishing a segment of the population for their opinion? How freedom loving of you,” one commenter sarcastically wrote.

    Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

    by DRo on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 05:37:30 AM PST

    •  Not sure it's worth giving this bozo publicity. (3+ / 0-)
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      DRo, pelagicray, Amber6541

      First of all, it's not like Utah has many liberals to begin with, at least outside of Salt Lake City, where this idiot is.

      Second, they could just lie if they want his crappy smoothies.

      Be like me setting up a smoothie shop (and, by the way, I even hate the word "smoothie") in Berkley and charging conservatives extra.

      Funny that while the rest of the Southwest turns more and more blue, Utah turns more and more red.

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 06:02:00 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Strange to me also (0+ / 0-)

        is the very notion of 'smoothie' that sorta rings healthy and counter to 'I love drilling'.  What liberal would be attracted?

        Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

        by DRo on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 06:14:37 AM PST

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  •  vaxers are the deniers of the Left (1+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude

    How big is your personal carbon footprint?

    by ban nock on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 06:08:21 AM PST

  •  Even the National Journal (5+ / 0-)

    thinks the NRA went too far with the ad (since pulled) featuring the president's daughters and their SS protection.

    There are fair arguments to be had over Obama's proposals: Redefining the Second Amendment shouldn't be done without a vigorous debate. But to drag the president's daughters into the fight, and to question their need for security, suggests that the NRA is slipping further away from the mainstream. Over-the-top tactics discredit the NRA and its cause.
    Gun-rights supporters deserve a better advocate.
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/...

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 06:08:43 AM PST

  •  Anti-black Sentiment Against Obama (1+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541

    Probably a good point but it's important to keep in perspective that a similar affliction known as Clinton Derangement Syndrome (CDS) lasted till the day Clinton left office.

  •  Just read the linked NYT article... (0+ / 0-)

    ... and not to make light of a horribly serious subject.... but is it just me, or does that pic of Lanza look like the unholy union of Andy Gibb and H.P. Lovecraft?

  •  Harry Enten - "Go For It" (0+ / 0-)
    My advice for the president as someone who reads polls: go for it, if it's what you want to do. There is much discussion that acting by executive order would be seen as a "totalitarian" action and provoke a backlash. Nonsense, so long as the order is supporting a measure the public favors.
    I would ad the proviso, "as long as congress is useless, sitting on its ass" go for it.

    It would be better to do this by general agreement, in a bi-partisan manner but that would obviate our congress: democrats = feckless on gun control, republicans = you've got to be kidding.

    Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

    by TerryDarc on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 10:04:00 AM PST

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