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According to the BBC, the United States is an outlier when the gun murder rate is compared with the gun murder rates of other highly developed countries.  

Some 9,960 people were murdered with a firearm in the USA in 2010, a rate of 3.2 per 100,000 people. . . .  when compared with other highly developed countries, the rate shows the US as an outlier.

The article then goes on to provide the gun murder rates in some other highly developed countries.  The gun murder rate per 100,000 in the U.S. is more than 10x the gun murder rates per 100,000 in Norway, Australia, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Germany, Japan, and England+Wales.  

Could it be that this is because the these countries have much stricter gun control laws than the United States.  For example, in England (where the gun murder rate is .1 per 100,000 people) anyone wanting to own a gun must go through a lengthy process designed to weed out potential applications.  

According to another BBC article:

It starts with an application form which asks specific questions about why the individual wants a gun, telling them they need to show "good reason". . . .
Independent referees provide confidential character statements in which they are expected to answer in detail about the applicant's mental state, home life and attitude towards guns.

Officers check the Police National Computer for a criminal record and they speak to the applicant's GP for evidence of alcoholism, drug abuse or signs of personality disorder. Social services can also be asked for reasons to turn down an applicant.

Finally, senior officers must be sure that prospective shotgun holders have a secure location for the weapon, typically a dedicated gun cabinet. Each certificate is valid for five years.

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  •  10x Sounds More Like "Extremist" than "Outlier" nt (12+ / 0-)

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:11:17 PM PST

    •  Yes, and the difference in statistics (8+ / 0-)

      does show that the gun control measures of other countries do result in a decrease in the number of deaths.  

      •  so what (1+ / 0-)
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        I think Americans know this pretty well. However, I have the impression that Americans have decided on balance those deaths are worth it for the right to keep and bear arms.  I'm not seeing that it isn't a tradeoff people don't know about.  It seems to me that a majority or close to a majority feel that that's the right trade off.

        Wish it were otherwise.

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:54:10 PM PST

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        •  The majority of Americans (0+ / 0-)

          do NOT see this as a tradeoff.   In fact,  many NRA members favor gun control. It's only the wing nuts who think this is even up for debate.

          I do benefits for all religions. I'd hate to blow the hereafter on a technicality. Bob Hope

          by bluebuckeyewmn on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 03:08:38 AM PST

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          •  Well ... (0+ / 0-)

            Today the NRA claimed they have gained 250,000 new members since Sandy Hook and I'm going to assume it's not because they want more gun regulations.

            So I'd be seriously interested in any recent data that show the percentage of NRA members who support stronger regulations because the more the NRA leadership talks (and runs TV ads) the more I wonder how small a minority of the membership these supporters of regulations are and why they bother to remain members when the organization is obviously going to fight any attempt at reasonable regulation tooth and nail.

            Seriously, it's like saying "Some Republicans think Obama is doing a great job and agree with his policy positions".

            I'm sure there are a few, but why, it's impossible to say.

            What about my Daughter's future?

            by koNko on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 04:37:19 AM PST

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    •  it's 32 (Thirty Two) times (9+ / 0-)

      Britain's rate.

      There are very few subjects which do not interest or fascinate me.

      by NYFM on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:47:41 PM PST

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  •  Better measure: # shot? (8+ / 0-)

    I say that because I've read somewhere that part of the decline in firearm deaths is because more people today survive trips to the emergency room. Something akin to how the fact that our troops wore effective body armor in Iraq meant far more survived than would have in past wars (sadly often with more debilitating injuries as well).

    Another, more important reason: we rightly focus on murders by guns, but we should be thinking more in terms of 'gun casualties' (dead and wounded). I think we get a mistaken impression from TV and the movies that recovering from a gunshot is nothing ('merely a flesh wound!'). Let me just say that as a law intern reviewing medical records of someone who was shot and suing the bar where it happened, it can be a shattering experience, with years of recovery and lasting physical and psychological damage that never heals.

    The numbers would be even worse, adding to the urgency of the debate.

    •  I agree but these were not the statistics (5+ / 0-)

      that were posted by the BBC.  

      When I saw the article I couldn't believe that dramatic difference in the number of deaths.  

    •  Flesh Wounds are a myth (4+ / 0-)

      and I can say that after working E.R. for a long time.  An incoming GSW signaled BAD, BAD AND MORE BAD. When you see someone with half their face blown off, you're looking at the damage guns REALLY do.  It's heartbreaking.  IF the victim survives, their life is forever changed and family and friends are at a loss as to how to handle such a nightmare.
      A bullet can shatter a bone, shred tendons, ligaments and internal organs. Surgeons are human and can only do so much.  Even with the most minor wound, there is emotional trauma.  
      To this day, I can still see the family's faces when told their son hadn't made it.  You just do NOT forget some things.

      In a study, the US was one of 23 developed countries where gun violence was studied. 87% of deaths under the age of 15 were AMERICAN CHILDREN.  Add the deaths for these 23 countries and 80% WERE IN THE US.
      Check it out here.

      I do benefits for all religions. I'd hate to blow the hereafter on a technicality. Bob Hope

      by bluebuckeyewmn on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 03:04:08 AM PST

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  •  But, but, but (8+ / 0-)

    George Bush assured us that all those people hate us for out freedoms. It is such a comfort to go to bed at night knowing that I have a constitutional right to be killed by a gun.

    •  Did you hear the President's remarks today? (8+ / 0-)
      This is the land of the free, and it always will be.  As Americans, we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights that no man or government can take away from us.  But we've also long recognized, as our Founders recognized, that with rights come responsibilities.  Along with our freedom to live our lives as we will comes an obligation to allow others to do the same.  We don’t live in isolation.  We live in a society, a government of, and by, and for the people.  We are responsible for each other.

      The right to worship freely and safely, that right was denied to Sikhs in Oak Creek, Wisconsin.  The right to assemble peaceably, that right was denied shoppers in Clackamas, Oregon, and moviegoers in Aurora, Colorado.  That most fundamental set of rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness -- fundamental rights that were denied to college students at Virginia Tech, and high school students at Columbine, and elementary school students in Newtown, and kids on street corners in Chicago on too frequent a basis to tolerate, and all the families who’ve never imagined that they’d lose a loved one to a bullet -- those rights are at stake.  We’re responsible.
  •  Good resource, night cat - thanks! (4+ / 0-)

    I wish you could post that one bar graph as an image in the diary - the one showing just how far-out an outlier the US is. Very striking.

    Babylon system is the vampire... ~Bob Marley

    by sfinx on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:42:40 PM PST

  •  Phone not allowing me to rec - rec button (2+ / 0-)
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    koNko, night cat

    is not showing up due to using my iPhone . Please consider this diary recommended by me in spirit . If my phone showed the page properly with the recommend button I would have enthusiastically push it. Great diary . Thank you!

  •  Shameless Diary Pimp (0+ / 0-)

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 04:30:08 AM PST

  •  There is something going on, and yet, not... (0+ / 0-)

    There is clearly something societal going on in the US, I notice they leave out Canada, which has closer to the per capita gun ownership of the US. Yet the gun violence in the US is much higher than in Canada.

    The current outrage machine red alert over Sandy Hook is allowing the emotion to flow and flood any realistic sense of proportion or reality. It "feels" good to rail and wail against guns, but will accomplish nothing meaningful.... if by meaningful you mean actually solving the PROBLEM.

    As peaceful, relatively, Norway is compared to the US, they still had one of the largest gunmen massacre's in history. The common thread being an assault weapon.... according to the endless squawking of the outrage machine.

    However, the true common thread is the fact that a stark-raving insane homicidal maniac got his hands on a firearm and did horrendous things with it.

    I have yet to hear a call to ban stark-raving insane homicidal maniacs.

    Instead, let's ban the FUTURE SALES of items that literally MILLIONS already have possession of. Some estimated 30 MILLION assault rifles in the hands of honest law abiding citizens in the US, with no intention of banning, outlawing or confiscating those millions of already owned weapons.

    The idiocy of the concept screams insanity when one simply takes a moment to realize, the very weapon used in the Sandy Hook incident, the very incident fueling the outrage machine, was in fact one of the 30 MILLION legally owned assault rifles. A rifle which in fact had been legal under the already existing state (CT) assault weapons ban, and the previous federal assault weapons ban.

    Further, the best "background check" currently being discussed had been performed on the owner of the weapon in question and did nothing to prevent the incident from occurring.

    Of course, lets not forget high capacity magazines. Forget for a moment, it only takes a maniac 1-2 seconds to switch magazines, and then armed only with 10 round magazines still running around reloading 10 times and killing dozens. Thank god there were no more 30 round magazines (other than the MILLIONS already in existence and un-confiscated) for the stark-raving insane homicidal maniac to utilize in his rampage. We sure fixed the problem.

    I agree that there is something societal going on in the US around gun violence, but I point out that there is also something going on in America as regards the lack of ever confronting what the true roots of a problem are and finding solutions.

    Even more disturbing.... as it blocks ever truly solving anything.... is the inability to confront issues with clarity and a realistic sense of proportion.

    It is in fact a major miracle that, given the number of weapons in the US, and the number of mentally ill left to run around the countryside with no support or treatment or even recognition, that we don't have dozens of massacre's every day.

    Any time "you people" want to confront these issues, with a sense of proportion based in reality, and a willingness to solve problems rather than tilt at your own personal windmills.... give me a call.

    Until then, please, after weeks of runaway outrage machine....


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