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Lance is an example of everything that's wrong with this country. He's the embodiment of people who will lie, cheat, steal, extort and deceive for personal gain. Then, they live a charmed life pretending they did it all "on their own" ("We built that!!!") knowing damned well they didn't.

The same Ayn Rand fuckers who rail against the government but who Social Security survivor benefits to pay for college (CoughPaulRyanCough) and who request stimulus funds for their congressional district, in writing, simultaneously as they rail against Obama's "run way spending" and declare that "Government doesn't create jobs!11!!1!"

People like Lance Armstrong put up these false and seemingly impossible standards: "Look! I did it! Anyone can do it! I won the Tour de France seven times completely without cheating!"

So you have people thinking: "Hey I can win the Tour de France seven times without cheating!"

Same shit as the Republican party. "Hey you too can be a billionaire too without having been born into money. You're one of the future billionaires of America and we, the Republican party, are here protect you from the moochers of society who want to take the shit you've earned with your hard work!!1!1!!!"

But, as it turns out, No. You're very unlikely to win the Tour de France seven times without cheating. And guess what? You're not a failure if you haven't.

And no. You're very unlikely to become a billionaire without having been born into some money or deep privilege. And guess what?  You're not lazy or a failure because you're working hard but don't seem to be getting any closer to becoming a millionaire, much less a billionaire.

It's all lies.

Lance Armstrong, the lying, cheating, extortionist bully is a microcosm of exactly what the hell is wrong with this country.

But blessedly, Lance's downfall doesn't take anyone else down with him. Good bye Lance, You suck, you cheating, lying coward.

Now...on to the GOP's downfall....

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  •  He reminds me of photoshopped models (8+ / 0-)

    These non-existent women are establishing the standard of beauty. If you don't look like this - perfectly thin, impossibly long neck and impeccable hair and fashion, you are ugly.

    Same thing as winning while cheating.

    When collective bargaining is outlawed, only outlaws will have collective bargaining.

    My political compass: - 8.38,-6.97

    by pucklady on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:46:51 AM PST

  •  He only apologized AFTER he got caught. (13+ / 0-)

    And only then after he put up a HUGE fight and raised a huge stink.  It was only when the evidence was overwhelming against him did he back off.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:51:20 AM PST

    •  yep. that's why I called him a coward. (1+ / 0-)
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      mookins

      he makes me sick.

    •  He only apologized WHEN he wanted… (5+ / 0-)

      …to participate in other activities from which he'd been barred. If he wasn't interested in doing triathlons, he'd still be claiming he "never failed a test."

      Even after he was caught he was still posturing about how "he knew who won those Tours, even if his name was expunged."

      It's still all about Lance. And I'm sick about it. Why? Because he was special and gifted. Take a moment to look at golf. Is there anything about golf which PEDs could affect? Maybe, but given how some sportscasting elites have been decrying golf as a sport for decades, it would seem to be less influenced by chemicals than sports  requiring bulk, fast twitch musculature, and/or big CV engines. So for a decade, a young lad from California kicked every golf pro's ass all around the majors. Any notion he was juiced? Or was he just that much better than everyone else?

      I think Lance was in that same category. I think he was just that much better than everyone else that he could have kicked everyone's ass up the Tourmalet without the PEDs. But we'll never know, and unlike golf (probably) almost everyone else was juiced, so it might not have been as dramatic or inevitable as it was with the juice.

      Magnificent athlete—despicable character.

      •  In golf, every so often someone comes along who (1+ / 0-)
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        has his game a notch higher from the get-go, and everyone else has to scramble to catch up. They didn't fuss much about hitting the gym to keep in shape until a young fellow from South Africa (no, not that one - this was circa 1960) started tearing up the pro circuit by doing just that. Next thing you knew, everyone was doing it.

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 12:03:23 PM PST

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        •  One of his sponsors was Shakespeare (0+ / 0-)

          Who made the Fiberglas™ shafts for his clubs. I wagged my tail plenty wanting some of those, but never could afford them. Years later he told people he could have shot lower scores but the shafts of his clubs were so whippy he couldn't shape his shots consistently. Made me glad I was never able to pull the trigger. How many Fiberglas™ golf club shafts are around nowadays?

        •  "a notch higher…" (0+ / 0-)

          Same is true in cycling. Lemond comes to mind (supposedly clean), as well as Contador (demonstrably not clean) and Andy Schleck (probably not clean—think family ties). And then there's Bradley Wiggins and Mark Cavendish, both purportedly clean (riding for teams which are virulently anti-doping)—if the playing field were truly level, they'd be leagues beyond the rest of the domestiques.

  •  He cheated at a sport no one cares about (1+ / 0-)
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    DBJ

    and raised millions of dollars to fight cancer. I'm good with that. My personal feeling is that the only reason that steroids are illegal is largely due to racism.

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:54:07 AM PST

    •  It may not be big in the US, (7+ / 0-)

      but it is huge in Europe with big money involved.

      Steroids are bad for you regardless of race.

      Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid. You step out of line, the man come and take you away. - S. Stills

      by ask on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:15:48 AM PST

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    •  You know the other lie that is yet to be exposed (1+ / 0-)
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      sillia

      in this country, that many people diagnosed with early stage cancer, did not have cancer.  Our cancer stats are bullshit, everyone knows that but the general public.  The tests for early stage cancer are really not that conclusive and give false positives but cancer treatment is a big and lucrative business.  

    •  he cheated and lied and so he raised money (8+ / 0-)

      for cancer.

      quick! someone tell the banksters to donate a few million to cancer research so as to make everything OK.

      fuck that.

      And I don't really care about whether steroids are legal or not. that's not the argument. He knew they weren't. he cheated. And BTW it wasn't just steroids. He blood doped and used a whole host of other dishonest means to achieve his goals.

    •  It IS a sport people care about. (2+ / 0-)
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      DBJ, BachFan

      Cycling is brutal, dangerous and beautiful, so don't go bashing cycling.

      Second, while what Armstrong did was wrong, like Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire and the rest of pro-sport juicers, it has to be kept in mind that half that peloton is juicing.

      In fact, probably more. Contador got caught, Floyd got caught, even Hamilton got caught.

      Plus dozens more.

      Lance performed better than all the cheaters. And that's saying something. One, its not an American problem, it's a sports problem and it is universal.

      The other issue, who are they going to give those TDF victories to?

      They are going to have dig so deep into that peloton to find someone who was clean, someone who's WHOLE team was clean, because it is a team sport.... how are they going to do that?

      Look, I am not excusing Lance, or any other cheater; but the fact remains that be it baseball, cycling, football or a number of different sports, people are juicing.

      At some point, we have to look past the athletes and to the promoters. It is sickening the way baseball was untouched while Bonds, McGwire, Sosa et al were crucified.

      And the same here with Lance. He's paying the price for what was essentially the standards of the sport.

      collards, meat, butter, sourdough, eggs, cheese, raw milk

      by Tirge Caps on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:42:32 AM PST

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      •  whatever. this is not about doping. (1+ / 0-)
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        littlenomad

        it's about lying.

        If you'd asked him a month ago if he'd doped, he'd have said no. That's deceitful. he wanted you and everyone to believe that he DID INDEED win without any outside help.

        and he was rewarded handsomely for this extraordinary accomplishment.

        I have a major problem with that. And I think it's indicative of much of what's wrong with this country. nothing to do with doping. everything to do with people and pols taking credit for shit they didn't do without help. (and then bashing those who either need help or implying that those who can't do what they've done is defective).

        My diary isn't about sports or doping.

      •  I don't bet money as a rule (1+ / 0-)
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        Tirge Caps

        but especially when Armstrong started out, I bet way more than half the peleton was doing something.   More like the NASCAR saying, if you aren't cheating, you aren't trying.

        It is a culture that almost every young American athlete of sufficient skill faces or faced.   This permeates the sporting world,  the Olymipics ran on drugs for years, look at any number of scandals going back decades and that's the tip of the iceberg.

        Armstrong chose to keep going on to the top, and to do whatever it took,  which was using some of the most sophisticated doping methods in the world, way beyond mere steroids.     I wish that the world was different, but Armstrong wasn't a bigger scoundrel, just a more successful one.   There are thousands upon thousands of coaches, doctors, and participants responsible for the mess that top level sports became, permeated with drugs and cheating.  Not to mention parents who are times perfectly complicit.

        Where football is still king in high school sports, does any serious person think its clean?

        •  He could have acted differently... (0+ / 0-)

          For one thing he could have been less sanctimonious about his lying, and not tried to destroy people's lives when they told the truth.  He was very aggressive about going after anyone who told the truth about him.  He didn't adopt a live and let live attitude.  If he had, his actions would be somewhat more more excusable (still not really excusable though).  

          I would have a different opinion of him if he'd been less of a complete asshole and a bully to everyone who told the truth about him.  Once he left cycling, when the truth started to come out, he could have admitted to cheating, but pointed out that everyone else was too.  He could then use the "It wasn't right, but I wanted to win, and this was the only way I could when I knew everyone else was cheating also."

          If he'd done that I'd find him to be a slightly sympathetic figure and could perhaps forgive him.  With the way he actually acted, there is no forgiving him.  He only finally told the truth once it had come out and it was already basically indisputable that he had cheated.  

          •  I don't intend to forgive him per se (0+ / 0-)

            of course, he is not personally important enough to me that I feel I need to forgive him.

            I merely think that the diary suffered from tunnel vision.  At one point, Armstrong is just a poor kid who sees sports as his out.   He is an asshole, he did use all his prestige and all his money to protect his position in some incredibly personal fights.But in other ways he was the product of a system that was into drugs and full of corruption long before he ever started competing  But some of the folks who were after him inside the sport weren't really a whole lot more likeable and a hell of lot more sanctimonius and probably no more innocent.    Some of the biggest names from the old days kept their mouths shut in my opinion for a reason, they knew they would be throwing stones in a glass house.

            Nobody has to excuse Armstrong,  nobody has to like him, everybody can be happy that cheating caught up with him at long last.   But making it out as only Armstrong is the problem, or that he was typically American about it just ignores the history of the Tour, the history of the Olympics for the last 60 years, every professional sport.  Assholes, liars and cheats epitomize throughout sports, even ones that are predominantly not American.

    •  He also destroyed people's lives (9+ / 0-)

      in the process...sued countless individuals who testified or made (true) claims against him. He's a POS.

      I see what you did there.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:46:59 AM PST

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    •  And he bullied his teamates into (0+ / 0-)

      cheating with him.

  •  Know what else is wrong with America? (2+ / 0-)
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    DBJ, jabney

    People taking absolute glee to tear another person down.  

    "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness" -Annie Savoy (Bull Durham)

    by Jacoby Jonze on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:10:28 AM PST

    •  Here is a big star (7+ / 0-)

      and a hero to many because of his "achievements". He has adamantly denied that he used performance enhancing drugs. He has bullied those that suggested he did. But now the truth is out.
      What a shameless human being. Good to see him exposed.

      Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid. You step out of line, the man come and take you away. - S. Stills

      by ask on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:19:22 AM PST

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      •  Anybody who believes someone can win seven (0+ / 0-)

        Tour de France's clean is delusional anyways.   He gave himself up years ago with his results for anybody who was being rational.  

        "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness" -Annie Savoy (Bull Durham)

        by Jacoby Jonze on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:28:30 AM PST

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        •  So now (3+ / 0-)
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          mdmslle, Deep Texan, Asak

          we endorse the use of PEDs?

          And, BTW, I never thought he or many others on the Tour were clean - no delusions here.

          Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid. You step out of line, the man come and take you away. - S. Stills

          by ask on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:31:38 AM PST

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        •  you're kidding right? (7+ / 0-)

          fuck dat.

          Turns out a LOT of people (pretty important people) DIDNT believe it could be done clean but he EXTORTED and BULLIED THEM into shutting the fuck up. And he played the victim card every time we was close to being exposed.

          Finally a few someones with more courage in their pinky than he'll every have decided: fuck that shit.

          Fuck him.

        •  A lot of people did believe him... (0+ / 0-)

          I distinctly remember reading diaries here where people were defending him, and saying the French where bigoted for always being suspicious of his performance.  Up until very recently a lot of people believed he was clean.  

          Look at how his star has fallen since his cheating has come out.  If everyone already knew he cheated, then why would that have happened?  If that were the case people would have shrugged and no one would have cared one way or another.  

    •  oh hoo-fucking hoo. (1+ / 0-)
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      Deep Texan

      Glee? Where do you see that in my diary. I call him a liar and a cheat and say GOOD BYE to him as hopefully he exits the public stage.

      He deserves everything he gets. I don't feel sorry for him.

    •  I know right? And Lance tore so many people. nt (0+ / 0-)

      I see what you did there.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:47:31 AM PST

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  •  everyone cheated (4+ / 0-)
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    DBJ, Roadbed Guy, bobsc, Tirge Caps

    Really, everyone was 'cheating' to the point I hesitate to call it cheating.

    People like Lance Armstrong put up these false and seemingly impossible standards: "Look! I did it! Anyone can do it! I won the Tour de France seven times completely without cheating!"

    So you have people thinking: "Hey I can win the Tour de France seven times without cheating!"

    This makes no sense.  The whole reason that it was so impressive is that no one thought anyone else would ever do it.  It is still impressive to me.  Who exactly are these people that thought they could win the Tour de France seven times with or without cheating?  Clean professional cyclists, and they had no idea that this was going on?  Color me skeptical.  If you mean people like you and me, I could have started training at 15, cheated as much as possible, and I still doubt I could have finished last in the Tour de France.
    •  taking PEDs is cheating period! end of story! (3+ / 0-)
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      fou, ask, Deep Texan

      You call out people taking PEDs as cheats and disbar them w/o question. Otherwise ANYONE who wants to get into a sport MUST take PEDS to even get there.  That eventually filters down to the youth levels - you really want your high schooler taking PEDS to be on his/her team?

      Lance could have been a real hero by proclaiming that he was clean and pointing out that everyone else was cheating.  

    •  No....professional cycling is a lie just like all (1+ / 0-)
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      Deep Texan

      professional sports, the real problem with it is that kids try to hold themselves to the lie and when they fail(which they will) it damages their self esteem.  

    •  dude, try to follow. It's not hard. (2+ / 0-)
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      Deep Texan, Asak

      Lance spent years insisting that it WAS indeed possible.

      So apparently he wanted us all to believe it.

      I think the thing is pretty self-explanatory. If you think that I'm suggesting in this diary that ANYONE could win the your de france, that's not the point. And I;m not sure how to clarify it for you, really.

      Obviously everyone has different abilities and some people no matter what they do will not achieve XYZ.

      My point was that Lance himself portrayed to the public that he had reached this level of accomplishment honestly. He did not. And here;s the kicker: I doubt he;d have won severn times if those he was competing against had undertaken the same illegal efforts.

      So he's a liar and a cheat.

      And further, those who knew he was cheating, he shut down. So he's a bully too.

    •  Yeah, #23 or whoever didn't cheat (0+ / 0-)

      Maybe if they had, they'd have beat Armstrong.  The problem is it's not a level play field.  There were no doubt a lot of cheaters in cycling, but it's almost certain that at least some of them were clean.  

  •  Oh, I think Lance brought a number of people and (4+ / 0-)
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    fou, mdmslle, snazzzybird, Asak

    things down, at least temporarily. They'll probably be ok in the end, only for some (or a lot?) it will depend on how much restitution they can get before the well runs dry.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:13:11 AM PST

  •  re"Lance's downfall doesn't take anyone else down" (4+ / 0-)
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    ask, mdmslle, blueoregon, white blitz

    Yes it does. If you came in second in the Tour de France any of those years- you lost all the glory by keeping your guts clean.

    If you were Rick Santorum, you lost a chance at great momentum and the nation lost a chance for a different electoral race when the Romney campaign cheated early on. (Nevermind ignoring the Paulites, I mean direct misrepresentation of numbers.)  Good thing someone out there is living up to his own good name. Thank you Mr. True.

    Speaking of misrepresentation of numbers, plenty of things would be different if the lying, cheating criminals in the world of fraudulent foreclosure and mortgage fraud were not defrauding us everywhere every day. (Did I mention that fraud is not only wrong but criminal?) I wish we had a single rule of law for everyone in America...

    •  Do you really think second place was clean? (8+ / 0-)

      So Lance was drugged out the gills to win, but second place was pure as the driven snow?  

      You believe Carl Lewis was clean when Ben Johnson was busted?  Yeah the man who's eyes were yellowing from all the horse steroids he was taking wins the gold by hundredths of a second and pisses dirty, but the guy behind him, hundredths of a second slower was 100% clean.  Riiight.  

      "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness" -Annie Savoy (Bull Durham)

      by Jacoby Jonze on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:25:56 AM PST

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      •  the people who seem to think (1+ / 0-)
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        DBJ

        the cheating was isolated amaze me.  I have stopped following sports as the evidence of widespread blatant cheating has been brought out over the last couple of decades.    I used to follow the cylcing races, the Olympics, football, etc.     This stuff was pandemic, it has been going on for decades, it has affected youth sports, it is in horse racing, the Olympic horse events.    

        The Tour de France and professional cycling has operated on drugs basically its whole history.  The drugs kept getting more sophisticated but they were always there.  It is just the last few years that the people trying to catch the dopers have gotten the funding and the equipment and the ability to even halfway keep up.

        Crucify Armstrong,  he was part of it, when he certainly could have stood up for cleaning up the drug use.   But Contador and Ullrich and dozens of other greats and near greats have all been busted too.

        Greg LeMond and a couple others claim to have always been clean, but I really woudn't believe it of anyone who got any where near the top of the peleton.

      •  I only thought so because I had heard of Lance (0+ / 0-)

        but never heard of any of the others. Not really following it that close, just catching the he's a serial liar meme.

    •  I'm pretty sure no second place finisher (2+ / 0-)
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      DBJ, nuclear winter solstice

      was clean . . ..

      If you came in second in the Tour de France any of those years- you lost all the glory by keeping your guts clean.
      doping was  completely ubiquitous in cycling back then (and may very well still be - but I don't know because I've totally stopped following this "sport").

      but heck, at least he didn't invent a fake girlfriend for himself - that's something, no?

      •  the diary is not about doping, man. (3+ / 0-)

        it's about lying and misrepresenting your achievements and outright hypocrisy. and about a culture we have where people (including our politicians) sell the public a bill of goods usually while pointing to themselves as the reason, justification as to why we should be doing (or able to do) the same (and implicitly suggesting we're failures if we don't).

        This is not about doping.

        It could have just as easily been about a nobel prize winner exposed for having someone else do all his work while benefitting from the lie he perpetuated. or some rich fuck born with a silver spoon in their mouth telling you or me to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, knowing damned well we'll never get to where they are.

        That's what this diary was about. Liars who perpetuate lies, benefit from them, bully those who could expose them and regular people wondering, "what's wrong with me?" These men and women are not superhuman, super motivated, super hard working...they're liars and cheats an bullies.

        •  I don't get the distinction between (3+ / 0-)
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          mdmslle, white blitz, BachFan
          the diary is not about doping,

          and

          it's about lying and misrepresenting your achievements and outright hypocrisy.
          to me, the two things are not at all separable.

          In any event, if you want to pick on someone else in this regards, maybe your next diary can be about Bill Gates . . ..

          •  maybe it will be (about bill gates). what's your (1+ / 0-)
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            nuclear winter solstice

            point?

            In fact, an earlier commenter suggested everything was cool because he used the money he made to fund cancer research!

            So, I guess, yeah, Bill Gates.

            You actually make my point for me.

            •  My point is essentially that Lance Armstrong (4+ / 0-)
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              jfromga, miracle11, DBJ, lakehillsliberal

              participated in a sport where every single competitive "athlete" doped.  And denied doing so like everyone else did at the time.  Thus to me he's not better or worse than any of his peers - he's just the product of the environment he was in.  

              If there's any lesson to be learned from the whole affair about the bigger issue of "what's wrong with America" - IMHO the lesson to be learned deals with the question "why the fuck do we (as a country/society) glorify athletes so much?"

              •  because they portray that with pure grit (1+ / 0-)
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                nuclear winter solstice

                determination and force of will, winning seven tour de frances is possible. people like to believe that if they can do something that hard without being a shithead, surely I can finish my Phd without cheating or lying or being a dishonest asshole.

                we admire shit like that.

                then when we find out he didn't actually do it.

                Again, this diary is not about doping and it's only tangentially related to athleticism at all. It's about NOT EARNING YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS and BENEFITTING FROM THE FRAUD. Using your logic, I would expect you to never have an issue with anyone who lies or behaves dishonestly to their own personal enrichment so long as it's "part of the culture". You should run for political office. Use that bullshit line when people ask you how, like Mitch McConnell, you've managed to increase your personal wealth x10 in a few years.

                When people ask you why you vote against certain bills and for others just tell them "it's part of the culture everybody's doing it. if i don't raise enough money I won't be able to keep my job. fuck that doing the right thing shit."

                Again, if you can't see the real message of this diary, there's nothing else I can say.

  •  This has nothing to do with America (3+ / 0-)
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    Tirge Caps, jfromga, DBJ

    It's the same everywhere. Doping has been the norm pretty much all over the world.

  •  I've always wondered if his cancer was related to (7+ / 0-)

    the performance enhancing drugs. Probably so. In that case, even the cancer is kind of a fraud. The money that  went for research and help is a good thing, but if he hadn't taken all those drugs, he may never have gotten cancer in the first place.

    I wish him the best. I hope he becomes a better, honest person though. This really is an ugly testament to his character.

    And good diary by mdmsmlle showing the parallels to selfish assholes like Ryan and Romney. But unfortunately they'll never see it in themselves.

  •  Rehabilitation consultant. A vast new job category (3+ / 0-)
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    mdmslle, blueoregon, oldhippie

    Judging from the past several (dozen?) instances of going on the "forgive me circuit", there seems to be a sort of recommended procedure for the process now. Yet another benefit of having money, you get to hire a consultant to guide you through the process and come through it smelling like a rose. A dung-scented rose, but that's the other task of the consultant business: to get us to develop new tastes.

    In case you find yourself needing help, here's some.

    I think the bullet item "Resilience solutions for ultra high net
    worth clients" would cover cheating scandals of the sort under discussion.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:43:33 AM PST

  •  All that you said plus (9+ / 0-)

    he went after anyone and everyone who spoke the truth and used the weight of his franchise to crush them. So not only did he lie, profit from the lie, perpetuate the lie...he then intimidated those who spoke what was ultimately the truth and did it without so much as a blip in his pulse.

    Again, just like today's GOP.

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:50:16 AM PST

    •  thanks for "getting it". I can;t believe my (1+ / 0-)
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      comment thread is a discussion about the frequency of doping in the sport of cycling.

      WTF has happened to DailyKos? Are we a site full of idiots now who can't figure out the simplest of shit?

      Wow.

  •  Paging Oprah (1+ / 0-)
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    Paging Oprah Winfrey.

    Paging Oprah Winfrey.

    Manti T'eo on Line 1.

    When atlatls are outlawed, only outlaws will have atlatls.

    by wheeldog on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:59:57 AM PST

  •  * (3+ / 0-)
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    But blessedly, Lance's downfall doesn't take anyone else down with him. Good bye Lance, You suck, you cheating, lying coward.
    Apparently, he's threatening to do just that. I heard some commentator on the radio say Armstrong decideed to do the Oprah interview when the Feds offered him a deal he didn't want. Namely, to name names in his sport or be charged with ?. Armstrong walked away from it and is threatening to name not just players but coaches, doctor's everyone who knows anything.  

    i've always thought Aldous Huxley knew his countrymen pretty well when he wrote, "Brave New World", huh?

    "Let us never forget that doing the impossible is the history of this nation....It's how we are as Americans...It's how this country was built"- Michelle Obama

    by blueoregon on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 08:00:53 AM PST

    •  wouldn't surprise me. nt (2+ / 0-)
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    •  If Lance really starts to talk (2+ / 0-)
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      It doesn't just take down a few coaches and doctors. It doesn't just take down the governing body of cycling (UCI) and the American governing body (CUSA). It takes down IOC and USOC. It takes down all his sponsors. Think for a minute who the sponsors were. There are some actors he is as afraid of as he is afraid of prosecutors. That's why the story keeps churning. There are lots of players behind the curtain with different agendas.

    •  I don't view that as Lance's taking them down (0+ / 0-)

      To me that's like the student who claims he only failed the final because his classmate ratted him out for cheating. No, it's not because he ratted you out, it's because YOU CHEATED. As long as the conspirators did what they are being acused of, I don't have a problem for them being held accountable for their own actions.

    •  He should name them all. (0+ / 0-)

      I don't want my little polecats to encounter ANYONE that might do this to them.

      Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
      I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
      —Spike Milligan

      by polecat on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 12:02:41 PM PST

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  •  You can't sell people a message (0+ / 0-)

    that they don't want to hear.

    "Hey you too can be a billionaire too without having been born into money. You're one of the future billionaires of America and we, the Republican party, are here protect you from the moochers of society who want to take the shit you've earned with your hard work!!1!1!!!"

    190 milliseconds....

    by Kingsmeg on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 08:21:19 AM PST

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