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Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer official portrait
We're going to listen to this nut job on immigration?
As Jed Lewison reported earlier, a bipartisan group of eight senators has proposed an immigration reform plan they intend to formally introduce Monday afternoon ahead of the president's announcement on Tuesday of his own immigration reform plan.

There's a lot to sort through in the proposed plan, but this part is particularly troublesome:

Our legislation will provide a tough, fair, and practical roadmap to address the status of unauthorized immigrants in the United States that is contingent upon our success in securing our borders and addressing visa overstays. [...]

Our legislation will create a commission comprised of governors, attorneys general, and community leaders living along the Southwest border to monitor the progress of securing our border and to make a recommendation regarding when the bill's security measures outlined in the legislation are completed.

In other words, there will be no path to citizenship unless and until this commission concludes that the border has been secured. This is a commission that would apparently include Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the heinous SB 1070 "Papers, please" bill into law, and who also has a habit of just making stuff up:
Brewer apparently first referred to beheadings during a June 16 interview with Fox News, talking about "the kidnappings and the extortion and the beheadings and the fact that people can't feel safe in their community" in discussing controversy surrounding the immigration law. [...]

"Oh, our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert, either buried or just lying out there, that have been beheaded," Brewer said.

Of course, none of that was true, and while Brewer insisted for a while that it was, she ultimately had to admit that, well, it wasn't. But it's an awfully effective way of making immigrants sound scary, isn't it? Just make up stories about how they run around beheading people, and gosh, it sounds like a bad idea to let them into the country.

And this is the woman to whom the nation will turn for assurance that the border is secure and we can now offer a path to citizenship to undocumented immigrants? She's going to let us know when the scary brown people have stopped not beheading Americans?

Yeah. Call me crazy, but I detect a slight flaw in this plan.

Originally posted to Kaili Joy Gray on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:16 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Brewer's ok will come same day Hell freezes over. (12+ / 0-)
    •  Her idea of border security will involve a (8+ / 0-)

      wall built to the sky with National Guard to make sure that's high enough. She may also try to demand the disallowance of same sex partners receiving benefits. She's a lulu.

    •  Brewer or no Brewer, this approach is (9+ / 0-)

      complete bullshit.

      The country including citizens, residents and undocumented workers need certainty and clarity on this front.  

      This part of the bill threatens to keep people in no man's land indefinitely.

      It is Congress' job to provide that certainty and clarity by enacting a law with a firm start date and clear direction as to how people are to proceed if they want to follow the law - and how states, law enforcement and businesses are to proceed to uphold the laws.

      This is NOT hard unless you are a Republican cheat trying to have it both ways - trying to prevent progress to appease your base and also trying to convince Hispanics and others that you really care at the same time.  

      I hope people don't fall for this bait and switch trash.

      •  Especially the President (2+ / 0-)
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        inclusiveheart, drmah

        should advise that bait and switch trash won't work for him.

        •  "Slight Flaw In The Plan?!" (0+ / 0-)

          Here's the Tea Party response to the entire IDEA:

          No Amnesty and No path to Citizenship! We tried Amnesty in 1986 with 3 million illegal aliens and now we have 12 million illegal aliens. We need Enforcement. Deport all the illegal aliens, secure our border and make E-Verify both Mandatory and Retro-Active. Employers should be required to review all their employees and fire all the illegal aliens that they have working for them. They can then hire American citizens.
          Yup! It's not the fault of CEOs for outsourcing jobs! It's those damn immigrants!
          Immigration is destroying the American middle class.Today there are hundreds of millions of people in giant impoverished cities all over the world trying to move to wealthier countries. Impoverished people are seeking wealth, whether in America, Europe, Japan, Saudi Arabia — any developed country of wealth.

          But it is only America who has dropped its defenses and simply allows itself to be overrun. All the other countries in the world, COMBINED, do not allow the immigration that comes into America. Those countries behave the way America behaved during most of its history — they do not allow immigration.

          America "did not allow immigration" during most of its history? (He means "immigration of blacks & brown people" of course).
          Paco, it means we will be paying for a lot more illegals and their anchor babies. Citizenship equals more taxpayer money for these third world squatters..you know ., obamacare, welfare, god stamps, education, etc. they will suck us dry..
          "The Jews are our misfortune!" -- Adolph Hitler.
          I see what is happening now as the same thing that happened to Egypt when the Nubians took over.

          Nubians?? Egypt was destroyed by race-mixing? Is that your idea?

          Look at where all the poor, tired, and hungry come from. To put it bluntly, they weren’t capable within their own cultures and they will soon realize that being in America doesn’t make them any more capable. As America rapidly is becoming the very countries that they left, they will move on like locusts.

          The people that make America, not those that feed on it, will have to take a stand at some point. Sadly, this WILL end in bloodshed. There is no other logical outcome.

          Immigrants are "locusts", but don't worry! Patriotic white militia groups will save America! With race war!

          Does it sound to you as though Republicans are going to be able to convince their racist base to accept "immigration reform?"
      •  It also makes no sense (2+ / 0-)
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        How are the 'secure' border and a path to citizenship connected at all?

        Even in an attempt at backwards logic even assuming we could somehow make the border 100% secure, all I came up with was the following incoherent nonsense:

        If we don't secure our border, then we won't need a path to citizenship for the people who are already here, or those continue to arrive through the unsecure border.

        If we DO secure our border, it will (somehow) allow us to sensibly deal with those who are already here and forced to live in the legal shadows.

        Maybe if the people living undocumented get all of their friends to stop entering our country illegally, then and only then will we give them a way out of their 2nd class status?

        Seriously, I'm lost.

        If you want a discussion, please stick to arguing the point. If you wanted something else...please exit the vehicle.

        by robizio on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:30:47 AM PST

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        •  Illogical nonsense designed to deceive. (3+ / 0-)
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          Typical Republican junk legislation.

          I hope people understand how many decades it would take to completely secure the border between the United States and Mexico which is about 2,000 miles long.

          •  I heard a comic routine one time (0+ / 0-)

            that addressed how to properly secure the border and also fix another huge problem.  He said let's take a wide strip of land along our south border and give it to the Palestinians as their new nation but their job would be to control the flow of immigrants across the border.  It's so wrong on so many counts but I have to admit I laughed hard.  Think the Republicans would sign on to that?

            "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." -- Carl Sagan

            by artmartin on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 10:37:52 AM PST

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        •  News flash to Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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          Illegal immigrants don't just come through our Southwest borders--they come through ports and on airplanes, too.
          They're not just Hispanics.
          So why should Southwest governors, law-enforcement, and other "concerned persons" from one area be the final arbiters of immigration policy?
          We need a clear and coherent policy for the whole U.S., based on good sense--not on whether Jan Brewer and her ilk in one region of the U.S. feel that things are secure.

    •  Stop beheading now! (4+ / 0-)
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      Rogneid, OllieGarkey, rainmanjr, artmartin

      Also:  if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have heads.

    •  Every time I see her, (5+ / 0-)

      I wonder whether it might be time to remake the Wizard of Oz.

      For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

      by Anne Elk on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:39:51 AM PST

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    •  Nah, I don't think so. I think she only promoted (0+ / 0-)

      1070 because she was pandering to the rwnjs' consistent with the overall OOOE (oppose Obama on everything) gop plan.

      Now they want to make a play for the hispanic vote, so she will go along with the pack.
      She'll just say that "thanks to 1070" the state of AZ is now secure.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 11:26:30 AM PST

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  •  hey where did you find that pic? (6+ / 0-)


    it looks like she's been re-Botoxed.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:19:13 AM PST

  •  I saw that secure border obstacle and (11+ / 0-)

    wondered why it wasn't being reported on as what it is:

    A roadblock that will continue to keep people in limbo quite possibly indefinitely.

  •  in other news (9+ / 0-)

    "Path to desegregation contingent on Klan making recommendation on African Americans being good people"

    If only Michael Phelps hadn't smoked that pot...imagine what he could have accomplished with motivation and good lung capacity.

    by papa monzano on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:22:28 AM PST

    •  my mistake (8+ / 0-)

      didn't mean to imply the state government of AZ is as bad as Klan. Should read: ""Path to desegregation contingent on approval of Gov. Wallace"

      If only Michael Phelps hadn't smoked that pot...imagine what he could have accomplished with motivation and good lung capacity.

      by papa monzano on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:24:26 AM PST

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    •  C'mon (0+ / 0-)

      As both a person of color and a legal immigrant, I can't understate how offensive it is to see you comparing these situations. Nobody forced illegal immigrants to come here. Nobody should equate civil rights with the ridiculous perceived right to cross established political borders with impunity -- a "right" that doesn't exist in any modern country, as far as I know.

      The border security stipulation exists because the Reagan amnesty did exactly what everyone here seems to want, but ultimately didn't solve the problem. Unless you think a regularly scheduled round of amnesty is a true solution to illegal immigration. If that's the case, just get rid of the whole concept of immigration altogether and open the borders.

      •  Much of this issue is about racism and (2+ / 0-)
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        if you can't see that, I'm not sure what to tell you.

        If English people were banging down our doors, you would see a lot less of the opposition to immigration from the most ardent opponents right now.

        •  my apologies (0+ / 0-)

          Nobody should equate immigrant rights with the ridiculous perceived right to attend school.

          I stand corrected.

          If only Michael Phelps hadn't smoked that pot...imagine what he could have accomplished with motivation and good lung capacity.

          by papa monzano on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:12:51 AM PST

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        •  Don't conflate the issues (0+ / 0-)

          Where immigration policy is racist and a violation of civil rights -- as in Arizona's ridiculous "papers, please" law -- it should be fought. But there is no civil right to cross a country's established borders.

          If you really want to eliminate the border, then own up to it.

          •  eliminate the border? (1+ / 0-)
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            inclusiveheart

            so no matter what happens to illegal immigrants, it's fine, since they shouldn't be here in the first place?

            good to know they're dehumanized for being here. can't imagine how I made a parallel to dehumanizing black people for wanting opportunity.

            Glad you are here legally. Congratulations on navigating a bad process. I'm sure there's no chance Gov. Brewer would assume otherwise, since it's not like she's a racist with potential sway over federal immigration policy.

            Like if Wallace had been in charge of deciding if desegregated schools were "safe enough".

            If only Michael Phelps hadn't smoked that pot...imagine what he could have accomplished with motivation and good lung capacity.

            by papa monzano on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:31:19 AM PST

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            •  Reading is fundamental (0+ / 0-)

              Have fun arguing with yourself, because you're not responding to what I wrote.

              •  arguing with myself is fine. (0+ / 0-)

                so brewer involvement is warranted because this isn't a civil rights issue, rather a legal-status issue?

                I realize I may not be in this discussion the same way you are (a legal immigrant) but I do view keeping a group of people in limbo while depending on them as a workforce to be a civil rights issue, and asking the most egregious state's governor to weigh in is a bad idea, akin to asking other notable racists to weigh in on their particular issues.

                I'm not calling for an end to borders. I am calling for not asking Jan Brewer whether she feels safe enough from brown people and using that as immigration policy.

                We disagree on this issue, and that's fine. Have a good day.

                --

                well, papa, I guess we agree to disagree. Have a wonderful day.

                If only Michael Phelps hadn't smoked that pot...imagine what he could have accomplished with motivation and good lung capacity.

                by papa monzano on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 10:05:24 AM PST

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              •  Yes and comprehension is a completely (1+ / 0-)
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                other important skill once you get the reading part down.

                Most of the people who are currently in limbo in our system actually crossed the border legally.  Many within that group made the attempt to get permanent status.  Years and years of under-funding and mismanagement at INS and then at HLS has created a backlog of people in this country who are here without status.

                I had friends - she American and he Swedish - who tried to get his paperwork through for eight years.  After the fourth time their paperwork was lost they gave up and went to Sweden - and she is American - they were married - and when they gave up here Sweden took her in without a problem - shaking head.  

                The story is much longer and more complicated and the experience was more expensive than the short paragraph above would ever convey, but suffice it to say that a maid or a farmworker would never be able to have found a way to pay for the multiple filings my friends had to make - and their case was not an exception to a rule.

  •  It's bad enough (19+ / 0-)

    we Arizonans need to deal with her - but to inflict her on the rest of the country to make decisions is downright sadism.

    Republicans want to make government small enough to fit in your vagina..

    by ramara on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:22:43 AM PST

  •  I had the same thought (6+ / 0-)

    when I read the other diaries about this stipulation.

    To me that is the key central part of this. This is why "illegals" will never get a chance for citizenship and this "compromise" is a joke!

    Unless we expect the republicans to act like rational people who can work together with Democrats for the betterment of all people.  <--  ROTFLMFAO

    Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

    by Mannie on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:23:05 AM PST

  •  How stupid are the GOP?.....So stupid that they'll (8+ / 0-)

    torpedo Immigration Reform and blame it on Obama.....We watch.

  •  The commission can not be of CURRENT elected (0+ / 0-)

    leaders.  It has to be of past leaders or else that won't work for whether or not a politician is up for election may affect his or her vote.

    President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

    by Drdemocrat on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:24:18 AM PST

  •  I still say that the whole beheading thing... (5+ / 0-)

    ...came from the TV show Breaking Bad (the character Tortuga is beheaded and the DEA finds his head on the back of a tortise) and not from any kind of reality.  

    Jan is thinking that Breaking Bad is a documentary and not fiction.

  •  In other words, "immigrants can become (11+ / 0-)

    citizens when the voices in Jan Brewer's head tell her that jackalopes are no longer mating with chupacabras."

  •  What a Stupid law. (4+ / 0-)

    Relying on Jan Brewer to do something intelligent is like relying on drones to miss innocent bystanders.

    An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

    by OllieGarkey on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:25:21 AM PST

  •  total fail/flaw - but what else? (3+ / 0-)

    Why only the southwest border?  what about the northern border?

    a sick joke to avoid dealing with the real issues.

    Other questions -

    do governors/states have weighted voting based on population e.g. does Calilfornia have more a say than Arizona?

    why does it have to specify it will be "tough"?

  •  Who's going to make the border secure (0+ / 0-)

    from the Border Patrol, seen here on hidden camera?

    “Perhaps the most 'spiritual' thing any of us can do is simply to look through our own eyes, see with eyes of wholeness, and act with integrity and kindness.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

    by DaNang65 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:25:44 AM PST

    •  What does "secure the border" even mean? (3+ / 0-)
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      Of course it's always the southern border being referenced, but if "secure the border" means the border is completely shut down and unauthorized persons will never be able to enter, it's a fool's errand.  As long as people want to come, they'll come.  We might cut down on the numbers, maybe by militarizing the border with standing orders to shoot, but that border will never be impenetrable.  

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:41:07 AM PST

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      •  As Janet Napolitano said (3+ / 0-)
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        Siri, artmartin, SueDe

        when she sat in that Governor's chair before Brewer, "show me a fifty foot wall and I'll show you a fifty one foot ladder."

        So long as folks want to cross over the illusory line they will. Perhaps it would be better if the citizens of the United States acknowledged the role we've played in making large areas of Mexico uninhabitable or untenable.

        Uninhabitable because our puritanical drug prohibition has turned a once relatively peaceful country into a combat zone. The narcotrafficantes who terrorize so much of the Mexican populace are a direct result of our drug policies, visited upon on our neighbors.

        Untenable because the advent of NAFTA brought in agribusiness, destroying the traditional village economy and forcing too many to have to look elsewhere for sustenance for their families.

        Then we put out federal agents to steal the blankets and warm clothing the kindly people of No Mas Muertes put out to help keep those driven from their homes from freezing to death on the cold desert nights. The night that video was taken the overnight low was in the teens.

        “Perhaps the most 'spiritual' thing any of us can do is simply to look through our own eyes, see with eyes of wholeness, and act with integrity and kindness.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

        by DaNang65 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:58:53 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Thanks for the link. (1+ / 0-)
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          DaNang65

          I had never heard of this.  Maybe Mexico should secure the border so Americans can't get into the country except by cruise ship - any anyone not back on board when the ship sails would be hunted down and deported.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:33:10 PM PST

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  •  Brewski is term limited and her time is nearly up. (4+ / 0-)

    So sad.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:26:39 AM PST

  •  You forgot to include (2+ / 0-)
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    cactusgal, artmartin

    Rick Perry and his band of crazy in Texas. And how about Rick Scott and Marco Rubio because Lord knows, they can see Cuba and Mexico from their house.

    •  Rick Perry is not nearly as crazy (3+ / 0-)
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      about illegal immigration as the governor of Arizona.  Don't get me wrong, he's crazy as a loon and corrupt to the bone, but he's not stupid.  Trying to "secure" the Texas/Mexico border would not only be futile, but would severely piss off the employers in this state who count on the ability to underpay and oppress their workers for the sake of profit.  

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:46:15 AM PST

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  •  amnesty (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't remember that an airtight border was a formal condition of the 1986 amnesty, but a promise to halt flow across the border was certainly implied - and never accomplished.

    There is real pressure on Brewer and other state officials to allow immigration because employers want cheap labor. Brewer's anti-immigration rhetoric is aimed at the people who compete with the immigrant labor - it will not necessarily be reflected in her actions.

  •  It doesn't (2+ / 0-)
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    say unanimous though. So she will be able to pander and grandstand and then the whole commission would give under tremendous pressure a Go. Also is just to monitor the bill's security measures not to give a holistic "Yes the border is secure" Because if that is the question no one, not just her, but no one will be crazy enough to come forward to the national stage and affirm that the border is secure.

    It's just kabuki for right wingers

  •  Mmm, such a nice Doris Dayish pic of Brewer... (1+ / 0-)
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    artmartin

    Que será, será? La verdad, eh?

    ;o)

    Ugh. --UB.

    "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

    by unclebucky on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:31:24 AM PST

  •  Must be a terrifying thing to see (0+ / 0-)

    ...when she removes those teeth, that wig, and various other facial and body parts and puts them on her bedside table every night.

    "Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?" - General Jack D. Ripper

    by wilder5121 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:32:28 AM PST

    •  Meow... (1+ / 0-)
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      DSPS owl

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:48:29 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  From "The Unforutnate Man" (0+ / 0-)

      She went to the mirror to take down her hair,
      And when she had done so her scalp was all bare,
      Said she: "Don't be frightened to see my bald head,
      "I'll put on my cap when I get into bed."

      She hung her false hair on the wall on a peg,
      Then she proceeded to take off her leg,
      Her trembling husband got quite a surprise,
      When she asked him to come and take out her glass eye.

  •  How is "success" defined? (4+ / 0-)
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    And who gets to define it?

    ...contingent upon our success in securing our borders and addressing visa overstays.
    Reduce border crossings by 50%? If so, what's the baseline? I read somewhere, that border crossings have already been reduced. Maybe we are already succeeding. Or must they be zero? (Like the ridiculous NCLB goal that all students will be proficient by 2014.)
  •  Like Brewer wants a secure border (3+ / 0-)
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    4mygirls, Egalitare, artmartin

    She and her private prison sugar daddies make more money by not having one.

  •  Border State Gov Perry would stand up to her (2+ / 0-)
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    charliehall2, a2nite

    wouldn't he?  Then again, perhaps not.

  •  Brewer and Sheriff Joe Arapio (1+ / 0-)
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    artmartin

    Now, there's a pair. He'sikely to whisper in her ear that he wants to be head of border control.

  •  This is great news for John McCain! (2+ / 0-)
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    papa monzano, artmartin

  •  Jan Brewer is a psychopath (4+ / 0-)
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    Mannie, a2nite, Siri, artmartin

    in a misogynist's paradise. Oh, these Republican gals. When are they going to get it that they're strictly expendable to their party base and to the GOP leadership? They're grudgingly tolerated, until they're no longer perceived as useful. Then they're thrown under the bus.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:39:56 AM PST

  •  Beheading is real but immigration not the problem (2+ / 0-)
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    GRLionsFan, artmartin

    ..and pretty sure we've all had it on the front pages if it had happened THIS side of the border.

    The drug murders would end tomorrow if we decriminalized drugs.

    If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

    by rhetoricus on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:43:17 AM PST

  •  It is critical the borders be secured first (0+ / 0-)

    Now.. who decides when it is secured is the $64,000 question, isn't it?

    Visa overstays are just as critical.  There must be a way to track the tens of thousands of people who come for a "visit" and simply stay forever.

    Until those two problems are addressed and solved, the rest of it is a joke.  And implementing any of the rest of it will mean an influx of new immigrants like we've never seen before.

    My question.. once implementation begins, what benefits do these new citizens become eligible for?  And will this bill give us the projected cost to taxpayers?  How much more will ACA cost over the next ten years with 10 million new people eligible for subsidies, for instance?

  •  Of course its critical our borders are secure (4+ / 0-)

    We need to make sure we are not accidentally exporting this type of crazy to the rest of the world.

    --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

    by idbecrazyif on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:45:20 AM PST

  •  Brewer actually having a coherent thought? (1+ / 0-)
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    artmartin

    Please.

    Give blood. Play hockey.

    by flycaster on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:45:44 AM PST

  •  I'm beginning to think Dick Durbin is a bigger (1+ / 0-)
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    fool than Inhofe.  Last week the filibuster cave and now this  totally unworkable commission trap.  He values bipartisanship over reality, comity over what is right.  

    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. Harry Truman

    by ratcityreprobate on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:46:10 AM PST

  •  Greg Sargent (2+ / 0-)
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    seems to indicate that rather than being a substantial roadblock, this 'commission' is designed as political theater to allow Republicans to vote for a comprehensive bill. Referring to the worry expressed in this post, he writes:

    That’s a legitimate worry, according to Frank Sharry, the executive director of America’s Voice, a group advocating for immigration reform. But he tells me that on a conference call yesterday, Democratic Senators reassured immigration advocates that this commission won’t be constructed in a way that will hold up the process for too long.
    Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    Based on this, I wouldn't expect Jan Brewer or Joe Arpaio to be given veto power over the implementation. Of course, trust but verify - we need to check the details of whatever bill emerges very carefully.

  •  Why are we bothering with them at this point? (0+ / 0-)

    The Democrats have the will and momentum here. Republicans can contribute but having them with significant say is ridiculous.

    The President should set the tone and move on his ideas. After all the shit they pulled against immigrants, they deserve nothing on this.

  •  There is no solution to immigration (0+ / 0-)

    issues if it is not dealt with bi-nationally. If the US would stop treating Mexico so dismissively, as it has lo these many years, a number of constructive steps could be taken. For example, we could start on a 10-year plan to align our economies and legal systems much more closely, the object being to convert the North American community into one in which Mexicans and Americans could live and work in each others' countries relatively easily. This would help both countries. Setting up conditions in which a fence is merely notional is a good objective. You ultimately want the US-Mexico border to be like the US-Canada border, and maybe go beyond that. With global climate change accelerating, of course, we may one day be climbing the fence to get into Canada.

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:51:32 AM PST

  •  bone-FING-er! (1+ / 0-)
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    Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
    Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights for support in dealing with grief.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:52:55 AM PST

  •  So, we should expect the GOP House Party and... (3+ / 0-)
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    ... The Totally Filiblusterated Senate to determine when our border is safe? Hell, they effectively vetoed the Dream Act, remember? Delegating the job to the Southern Governors is like appointing Joe Arapaio head of the agency that issues visas and work permits.

    Conditions like these are like the NRA agreeing to limit hi-cap magazines and Assault rifles as soon as they certify that we have solved every other problem they say contributes to gun violence.

    Be sure the border is secure, no one has overstayed her or his visa ... then maybe some amendments such as defunding the visa-granting agency (except if its Director is named Sheriff  Joe), hospitals receiving Federal funds are allowed to refuse Illegals in their ERs, amnesty quotas raised every other year starting with Zero, etc., etc.

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:53:25 AM PST

  •  It puts responsibility on her. (0+ / 0-)

    It seems to me that putting her in charge of such a position puts any holes in border security in her lap.  She's responsible for making note of the problem and reporting it.  Further, it makes sense that the SW would have greater ability to monitor their borders and benefit economically from it.  I'm no fan of Brewer but this complaint is short sighted.

    "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

    by rainmanjr on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:55:05 AM PST

  •  Where did it give her veto rights? (0+ / 0-)

    Did it say the commission that each and every commission member would have to sign off on the eventual decisions?  

    Otherwise this seems like nothing but a silly scare tactic.

    "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness" -Annie Savoy (Bull Durham)

    by Jacoby Jonze on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:56:36 AM PST

  •  Border security is a national prerogative. (2+ / 0-)
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    Mexico is certainly harsher with undocumented immigrants (and, when it comes to property ownership, even documented ones) than the US is.

    There is nothing whatsoever wrong with securing the border.

    Border security and the status of current immigrants are intertwined, but not necessarily in the way that some people think.

    The single biggest thing we can do for border security with regard to immigrants (as opposed to drugs, guns, etc) is to come down hard on employers who do not follow the law when hiring  employees.

    Most people coming to the US are coming for opportunity. If the opportunities dry up, so will much of the traffic.

    An interim period that recognizes a difference between people who are already here and those that arrive late to the party would be a necessary step to achieving real border security without a serious economic impact.

    The other side of that recognition would be that those already here would acquire some sort of permanent legal status that provided to them the same protections we make available to those who are here legally.  

    The current "wink-wink, nod-nod" approach creates an environment in which one group of people can be exploited, and that exploitation can be used to further exploit those who must compete with them.
    Bad news all around.

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    by dinotrac on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:58:06 AM PST

  •  The "secure the border" crowd is racist (3+ / 0-)
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    as it completely ignores the fact that 40% of illegal immigrants enter the US legally and overstay their visas. The surprise is that 60% enter illegally in the first place, as anyone without a criminal record, from almost any country in the world, can get a legal visitor visa to visit the US for business, as a tourist, or enroll in school here.  These nativists are singling out Mexicans when in much of the US most illegal immigrants are from other countries.

  •  Mexico is changing (3+ / 0-)
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    It's expanding many educational programs, including setting a goal for universal English education. Their unemployment rate has held fairly steady and low for some time now. Their health care is slowly expanding, too.

    The only thing holding up Mexico's development at this point is the drug wars. And we're under a decade from pot legalization here in the states, based on these most recent elections on that topic.

    If these trends continue, I'll bet the days of high immigration from Mexico will be behind us within a decade, maybe sooner if pot legalization happens more quickly than anticipated.

    In other words, we may not figure out immigration in this country until we no longer have a steady supply of illegal immigrants.

  •  Must secure borders. (0+ / 0-)

    If we do not we will do this all over again in 20 years, just like we did in the 1980's.  

    http://www.migrationpolicy.org/...

  •  That's not the only flaw (0+ / 0-)

    If the proposed H-1B work visa cap changes are rolled into this legislation I will not support it regardless of any other considerations.

    H-1B visas allow corporations to hire 65,000 "special occupation" immigrants a year (they ca stay between 3-6 years). Due to special exemptions that number is closer to 130,000 a year.

    Corporations want this number expanded because, rather than giving good-paying jobs to American college graduates (think engineers and computer scientists), they'd rather pay an immigrant much less to do the work. It's like offshoring, except they do it right here at home and rub everyone's face in it.

    If employers paid decent and appropriate salaries to fill those positions, maybe the pool of candidates from which to pick would grow as more and more students gravitate to study in a field that will be financially rewarding to them in life. Instead, business lobbyists hand bags of cash to hungry DC legislators and whisper sweet "labor shortage" in their ears.

    The immediate problem is the Senate has agreed in principle to change the cap to a flexible one that can rise all the way to 300,000 at the whimsical behest of corporations. The cap on the number of green cards issued will be "demand based". Guess who gets to declare what the demand is?

    No. Technical workers and highly educated Americans have been getting the shaft for decades under the H-1B visa program. It's time to put a stop to it, not expand it, and I urge all of you to call your Senators and tell them to oppose this measure that stunts the growth of good jobs for our own citizens in the name of greedy corporations who will stop at nothing to drive us all in a race to the bottom.

  •  Brewer's photo (1+ / 0-)
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    Is this her high school yearbook photo?  Seriously, she actually looks good.  I heard that she disappeared for awhile a few weeks back - now we know where she went.  Amazing!

  •  as long as brewer (1+ / 0-)
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    is gov the border will be as insecure as she is.

  •  As a native Arizonan and citizen of the state (0+ / 0-)

    I humbly request you stop posting pictures of her on the internet.  Damn, can't we just pretend this horrific woman doesn't exist until her term runs out?  Since there's absolutely nothing I can do right now to get rid of her I really don't want to be reminded she exists.  It's embarrassing and every time my awareness that she's in charge is reinforced, I feel like finding a 2 X 4 and beating myself senseless to stop the pain.  

    So please spare us Arizonans that are quietly working behind the scene to change things here from having to endure this disgusting woman's image.  There are a whole lot of us still in shock about this situation.  

    If you're going to keep pointing out this embarrassment, please send a check to the Arizona Democratic Party so we can prevent this idiocy in the future.

    "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." -- Carl Sagan

    by artmartin on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 10:33:49 AM PST

  •  Bonefinger (1+ / 0-)
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    I can not see this woman's name without this ditty from Rocky Mountain Mike on the Stephanie Miller Show going through my head.

    Before you speak, ask yourself: Is it kind, is it true, is it necessary. Does it improve the silence. (Courtesy Kos)

    by Scioto on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 10:38:55 AM PST

  •  The Photoshop retoucher, who worked on... (0+ / 0-)

    ...that photo if Jan Brewer, really earned his paycheck that week.  I wonder if there's a filter plugin called "DeLeatherize?"

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