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Meet Stuart Varney, a Fox Business News anchor who appeared on the mothership earlier Monday to tell Fox viewers why they should be very troubled at the prospect of immigration reform. According to Mr. Varney, granting citizenship to the 11 million people currently living in America without legal status would be a fiscal disaster for the country because they would suddenly become "eligible for Obamacare."

Mr. Varney does admit that he's not entirely sure what he's talking about, saying "we don't know the cost" of immigration reform, but despite having no numbers whatsoever to back up his claim, he remains convinced that immigration reform is just another plan to soak the makers and give to the takers.

"There is going to be a cost to our medical system, to the federal taxpayer, if you make eleven million people suddenly, quickly, citizens." On and on this prattle went. Somehow he managed to to talk for almost five minutes without even once offering any actual evidence to back up his assertions.

But while Mr. Varney claimed to be concerned about protecting American taxpayers, he failed to mention one little thing: Every viable comprehensive immigration reform proposal requires new working-age citizens to be employed as a condition of citizenship. Unless there is some secret plan to waive taxes for naturalized citizens, they would be paying taxes just like everybody else. That's something Mr. Varney should know: Like those who he seeks to deny legal status, Varney wasn't born in America. But despite being an immigrant, he still pays taxes, as he reminds us every chance he gets.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 12:54 PM PST.

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  •  In some ways he's correct: (7+ / 0-)

    Undocumented Immigrants Giving Social Security, Baby Boomers a Big Boost

    IOW, they've been paying into the system and receiving no benefits - which is definitely good for the solvency of the Federal Government!

  •  He's horrible (5+ / 0-)

    I once went to a conference where he spoke and I nearly asked for my money back.

    by chloris creator on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:01:09 PM PST

  •  That's because he's an excrementcabeza (6+ / 0-)

    New word of the day.

    Don't no one disturb the peace for riot. Don't no one disrupt nirvana. Don't no one wanna blow the high.

    by Rich N Mdriems on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:02:39 PM PST

  •  What about their non-working age family? (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, DSPS owl

    No other country with a comprehensive safety net and public universal benefits like single-payor has as loose an immigration policy/enforcement as we do.

    I see what you did there.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:03:18 PM PST

  •  But, but he's got an accent! (3+ / 0-)
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    gustynpip, slothlax, filkertom

    He sounds all smart and stuff!

    “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

    by Marko the Werelynx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:06:34 PM PST

  •  Heaven forbid that people live longer (2+ / 0-)
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    xxdr zombiexx, filkertom

    and are healthier.

    Psst!!!......Mittens you are more of a poor loser than I thought.

    by wbishop3 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:07:24 PM PST

  •  Varney is also a climate denier. (4+ / 0-)
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    TomP, xxdr zombiexx, AllanTBG, filkertom

    He's a 1%er.  Why should he care?

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:08:25 PM PST

  •  just a bit of free professional advice (8+ / 0-)

    (i'm a cpa), for those considering investing. do not ever take mr. varney's business "advice", the man is a complete, blithering nincompoop. do exactly the opposite of whatever he suggests, you'll be better off.

    •  Any "analyst" on FOX or CNBC fits your advice. (2+ / 0-)
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      lcbo, filkertom

      Any real analysis shows their shoes smell funny. (I know it upsets the Shinola guys.)

      You should go ahead and charge for your advice, it's worth the money. And the mealy-mouth shuffle butts who watch him would pay for it...and ignore it.

      I think that Republicanism is revealing itself as a personality disorder, not so much an ideology." -- Naomi Klein

      by AllanTBG on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 02:17:06 PM PST

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  •  Personally, if I were the IRS, I'd be taking (4+ / 0-)

    a very hard look at Varney's taxes . . . he just looks and smells like a fucking tax cheat to me . . .

    I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. ~Thomas Jefferson

    by bobdevo on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:10:22 PM PST

    •  dude, everyone's a "tax cheat", in their own, (1+ / 0-)
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      cheesy way. varney is just a slightly sleazier one, and i doubt he makes enough money to make it worthwhile, to expend the resources required to audit him. in the IRS, time does equal money. einstein proved it.

  •  Uhh, dude, those 11 million people (11+ / 0-)

    are already getting medical care - the most expensive kind: ER care. Dickhead!

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:11:36 PM PST

  •  There will be a cost associated with it. (3+ / 0-)
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    Let's not try to deny that.

    The American taxpayers should be told what the projected cost is up front.

    Yes, illegal immigrants have been paying into the system.  And yes, there will be more people paying into the system once they are employed legally.

    But, c'mon.  These people will generally be coming into the system at the lowest wage levels.. a lot of them will be earning minimum wage.  They will, if allowed under the new rules, be eligible for all sorts of benefits.

    The burden on the ACA subsidy system will likely be tangible, and very likely high.  The cost should be made part of the decision making process before we go through with this.  Or, those benefits would perhaps be delayed.

    •  Yep, not to mention their dependents. (1+ / 0-)
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      Bon Temps

      Already employed and contributing is one thing, tons more brand-new ones, notsomuch, and I don't care what country they're from; living wage jobs for people who live and spend here FIRST.

      I see what you did there.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:20:57 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Which is worse, to support families (0+ / 0-)

        with children  kw, or to have ever-more aging citizens with ever-fewer working adults to support them?  
        We can't have it both ways.  

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:30:28 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I don't think those are the only two options. nt (0+ / 0-)

          I see what you did there.

          by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:40:54 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  The birth rate is what is. (0+ / 0-)

            When it comes to the supply of tomorrow's taxpayers, what other option did  you have in mind?  

            "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

            by lgmcp on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:42:31 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Better paying-jobs here, better income (1+ / 0-)
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              distribution, will increase revenue AND people will be more apt to have kids.

              I see what you did there.

              by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:48:58 PM PST

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              •  Historically speaking, however (0+ / 0-)

                rising income levels correlate with the choice to have smaller families.  Many factors, of course -- education, access to contraception, changes to agriculture, etc.    But whatever the root causes, the observation is that your agreeable vision of better wages does NOT solve the issues of having retirees increasingly outnumber working-age people.  

                "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

                by lgmcp on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:53:23 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

      •  Those folks are already living (0+ / 0-)

        and spending here. And they're working too -- jobs that most people don't want to take.

        And sure, many of those older folks would be at minimum wage (although many more of them might end up starting their own businesses like restaurants, cleaners and the like), but their kids will often be heading to college for good paying jobs if only to avoid being drafted to work in the family business, or maybe they'll take business courses to run those family businesses more effectively.

        There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

        by Cali Scribe on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:47:12 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  11 million people who are undocumented (0+ / 0-)

        live here and spend here - the main focus of this debate is around those people who have been here and working here in many cases for years, now.  

        Removing those 11 million people would not change our jobs problem - in fact in Georgia and Alabama they are suffering the cost of having thrown out and freaked out the undocumented workers who were contributing to their economies - things like peaches went unpicked which hurt farmers, just for instance.

        You may be unaware of this fact, but our economy has relied upon migrant and immigrant workers forever.  Our melting pot philosophy isn't just some warm and fuzzy ideological love fest - it is a cash cow on a multitude of levels.

    •  How do you know they'll be coming in at (2+ / 0-)
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      Aquarius40, lgmcp

      the lowest wage levels?  Well, of course, because ya know, they'll all be Mexicans and we all know those Mexicans have no skills or experience and can only do menial work.  Making any presumptions there dude?  

      And what exactly do you think those low level folks are doing for medical care right now?  They're going to the ER once it becomes a matter of life or death and are thus costing the medical system many times more than it would have cost to treat them through a humane medical system that doesn't consider those that earn high wages as more worthy than those who earn the lowest wage levels.

      "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

      by gustynpip on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:27:26 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  So, at any cost, huh? You simply don't care (0+ / 0-)

        what the cost will be?

        Fine.  But, I do.  I want to know what the estimated costs will be.

        And, yes, I am making presumptions on the income level of undocumented workers.  How politically incorrect of me to assume millions of people who currently work low-level cash pay jobs will not enter the legal job market at the executive level. How dumb of me!

        There will be people entering at all levels.  But they will mostly enter at the very lowest levels due to a variety of factors - one being a language barrier.  And people making entry-level wages will be eligible for subsidies far greater than the amount they will pay in income taxes.   (Notice I did not say payroll taxes as those are earmarked for Social Security and Medicare)

        One other thing.. if you think ACA will solve the use of the ER as the primary care provider for millions of people, you haven't been paying attention.  Even with generous subsidies, private health insurance will still be out of reach of tens of millions, who will continue to use the ER as they have in the past.  ACA is a disaster and a failure as far as accessibility goes.  It is not single payer.

        •  No, as a matter of fact, I DON'T care what the (0+ / 0-)

          cost is to do the right thing.  You want to protect your pocket book at the cost of people's lives?  

          You have NO idea what the skill levels or capabilities of these workers are.  Because they're now relegated to menial jobs because of their legal status does NOT mean they don't have the qualifications of doing other jobs or that, if they and their potential employers aren't facing criminal penalties, they wouldn't in fact be able to obtain those better jobs.  So yes, you are being incredibly presumptious.

          But then again, being presumptious appears to be your forte, since you already know the ACA is a disaster - when it hasn't even yet been implemented.  Oh to have a brain that works that brilliantly.

          "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

          by gustynpip on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 02:08:29 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  not really. (2+ / 0-)
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      you seem to conveniently overlook the requirement that emergency rooms treat whoever shows up at the door, regardless of ability to pay. the ACA pretty much eliminates those people, who would make an appt. with a regular dr, or a much less expensive "emergicenter" type operation, if they had the insurance to do so. i expect the typical hospital ER will expereince a 50% drop in visits, once the ACA is fully implemented. that alone will result in a 10% drop in health care costs.

      •  Doubtful (1+ / 0-)
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        DSPS owl

        The subsidies under ACA are too small to make insurance affordable for millions of families.  They will still go without.

      •  That could be all true (0+ / 0-)

        And I hope it is true.  But I think there are two different mechanisms going on here, which obscures the issue a little bit.   First is the hoped for cost-reduction - that is, health care costs will go down as more people get health insurance.  Second is cost-shifting.  Right now, the general population of people with health insurance pays for uninsured ER visits through higher insurance premiums.  Under the new law, low-income Americans (and an unknown percentage of "new" Americans) would qualify for insurance subsidies, paid for by taxpayers, which will reduce (but not eliminate!) the number of uninsured.  

        The cost-reduction may mean that in the end, everyone actually pays less than would have happened had the law not passed.  However, I expect a lot of Republicans to only focus on half of the cost shifting equation - the government is now paying X dollars for the illegals!  Of course, they'll ignore that everyone with insurance already was paying for that health care.  

  •  Economic immigrants (0+ / 0-)

    People in the prime of life, in their peak productive years, will be making fewer claims than the rest of us and significantly reinforcing the system. This is elementary.

  •  1) There won't be "suudenly, instantly millions" (0+ / 0-)

    2) If illegal would be more likely to use expensive emergency centers.

    What a maroon.

    "They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip."

    by TofG on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:17:37 PM PST

    •  What a maroon- (0+ / 0-)

      Whoa - isn't that what Bugs Bunny used to cal Elmer Fudd?

    •  He is paid to make the sort of intellectual midget (2+ / 0-)
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      mollyjb, filkertom

      who actually watches FOX believe this.

      This is how talking points are transmitted. Soon you'll hear every last wingnut regurgitating exactly this tripe.

      Like the Platinum Coin debacle - they all harped on that until it was finally pointed out they were saying stupid shit.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:39:18 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Wonder what Fox morning meetings dream up (0+ / 0-)

        I have to wonder how much time the people at Faux News spend dreaming up different ways to attack the President and his policies.  Just how far do they have to reach to come up with talking points to be negative and yet still try some semblance of being reasonable.  Oh forget that!  They never sound reasonable and their arguments are never logical.  They must have some fiction writers in those meetings to help them invent things to talk about on their shows.

  •  They still haven't grasped the realty that (2+ / 0-)
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    Brooke In Seattle, filkertom

    Obamacare isn't free.

  •  Isn't he the same guy (1+ / 0-)
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    xxdr zombiexx

    that was featured in a clip in the Daily Show saying that poll numbers depicting Romney as behind were a "bunch of gobbledegook"?

    Sure seems like it.

  •  Whipping up nativist hate. (8+ / 0-)

    Splitting the business and dumbshit hater parts of the R Party.  Has to hurt Republicans and I don't think they will defeat reform.   But Latinos will hear it and know, as many alreayd do, that a big part of that Party is anti-Latino.

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    by TomP on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:22:00 PM PST

  •  Nah, what they mean is (6+ / 0-)

    that if these illegals become legal immigrants, the bosses will have to pay them minimum wage and offer health insurance benefits.  And that means that the bosses will make less profit.

  •  By all means, Mr. Varney, ignore the fact (0+ / 0-)

    that these "illegals" are currently not paying any income taxes but are using hospital emergency rooms as their health care plans.  

    I wonder what the professional requirements are for an anchor desk job at Fox....  Rationality is obviously not among them.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:22:20 PM PST

  •  You can drive yourself crazy trying to analyze (2+ / 0-)
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    Egalitare, MPociask

    this kind of horseshit.

    The simple truth is that he's lying to the angry and gullible. There is no 'why does Stuart Varney believe this when it's not true?'

    He doesn't believe it. He's a liar. Every minute of every day. That's his job.

    It is more important to be a confident and articulate speaker than to know jack shit about anything.

    by VictorLaszlo on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:23:36 PM PST

    •  What's so maddening is the fact he has (2+ / 0-)
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      MPociask, VictorLaszlo

      this huge media access and audience to spew this propaganda talking point.

      He has this massive stage, this ability to be heard by millions and it is used to lie, cheat, and steal.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:43:06 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  There's more, just as ugly if not more so (3+ / 0-)
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    VictorLaszlo, skillet, mollyjb

    One of the regular contributors at RedState details his objection to immigration reform thusly:

    Any so-called comprehensive immigration reform proposal that is worth more than a bucket of spit must ensure the following:

      -- we are not saddled with 12 million new consumers of the welfare state;
      -- we don’t have 12 million new Democrat voters;
        those receiving the amnesty will not have the ability to spawn chain migration;
      -- before any amnesty is implemented, there is a complete establishment of visa tracking, border control, and mandatory E-verify to ensure that this won’t create another ‘Charlie Brown with the football’ scenario of more waves of illegal immigration;
      -- our legal immigration system move towards a merit-based process that favors high-skill immigrants instead of the current “Kennedy” system that is random and tendentious towards low-skilled immigrants.

    Too disgusting for me to comment upon further.
  •  What's he talking about? (2+ / 0-)
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    lgmcp, filkertom
    "There is going to be a cost to our medical system, to the federal taxpayer, if you make eleven million people suddenly, quickly, citizens."
    As far as I know, discussion around immigration reform has always mentioned only "a path to citizenship".  This certainly does NOT imply anything sudden or quick about the process of becoming a US citizen.  Hell, even for people who are documented immigrants the process of becoming a citizen is quite lengthy, involving taking classes and passing a test.  

    Once again Fox News inventing their own straw man to knock down.

    "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi

    by Triscula on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:23:51 PM PST

  •  ALL republicans are busy toeing the line on (5+ / 0-)

    no new REVENUES because they want to starve the government to death.

    That is all it is.

    It's not fair that I cannot choke them..... this desire to kill government kills jobs. They killed my job back in 1996 - took 6 years for the service to whither on the vine and I finally got laid-off. This is how they do it.

    The more they starve government the more jobs they kill.

    They killed my job and fucked up my entire field and here I sit seeing them doubling down on that effort.

    My current job is funded through Medicare: kill that and I am again unemployed.

    And a whole lot of other peoples' jobs.

    I can't wait for the day Americans figure it out.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:25:33 PM PST

    •  Kill Medicare (1+ / 0-)
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      and you're not just killing jobs -- you're killing real people.

      Got two family members who wouldn't last long if Medicare went bye-bye.

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:49:59 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Immigration Reform and Climate Change are going (2+ / 0-)
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    Egalitare, filkertom

    to destroy the GOP........Wait til the House GOP critters weigh in.

  •  Stuart was born in England... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and has lived in the US and A since the 1970s. Is he an illegal?

  •  The Grain of Truth (1+ / 0-)
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    Dumbass Pox Noise Channel Anchor is
    "not entirely sure what he's talking about".

    Everything ELSE is Pure Bullshit.

    The Village Idiot Viewers will Ignore that little detail
    and blindly accept Everything as Gospel.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 01:47:08 PM PST

  •  Grammar pedantry on that last paragraph (0+ / 0-)
    That's something Mr. Varney should know: Like those who he seeks to deny legal status, Varney wasn't born in America.
    Should that be who or to whom?

    I would think the latter, since "those" is an indirect object, not a direct one.

    We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

    by Samer on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 02:16:42 PM PST

  •  47% (0+ / 0-)

    Varney: "But they'll pay no taxes (ahem) because they are part of the 47%, and they'll vote Democratic."

  •  This guy was born in England! Is he even a (0+ / 0-)

    citizen?  If not, shut up!  If so, what makes him any better than any other person from Latin America, Africa or Asia.  He took a job from some hard working tax paying American.

  •  Varney is part of that mean tribe saying Obamacare (1+ / 0-)
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    is bad because it will provide medical care to too many, presumably undeserving Americans.  He's one of those guys who thinks letting a lot of Americans suffer because of inadequate health care is good.  

  •  Why do they have to be so abysmally stupid? (0+ / 0-)

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