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This evening's music features Louisiana guitarist and the writer of a number of kinda spooky songs John Campbell.  Enjoy!

John Campbell - Person to Person

“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.”

  -- Harry S. Truman

News and Opinion

Aaron Swartz

Talking to Reporters Is Not A Crime: New Leak Investigation Threatens Press Freedom

A disturbing report in Saturday’s Washington Post describes an FBI investigation of a large number of government officials suspected of leaking classified information to the press, engulfing an unknown group of reporters along the way. The investigation includes data-mining officials’ personal and professional communications to find any contact with journalists. Just to be clear: It seems officials are being targeted for just talking to the press.

While the Obama administration has already shamefully prosecuted more whistleblowers than all other administrations combined, this investigation—given its unprecedented scope and scale—has the potential to permanently chill both press freedom and the public’s right to know. ...

Unlike other investigations, the FBI is not targeting one or even a few government employees, but is engaged in a wide-ranging fishing expedition. According to the Post’s anonymous source, the investigation engulfs “everybody—at pretty high levels, too. There are many people who’ve been contacted from different agencies.”

The net now seems to be cast over the entire government, and in return, the entire Washington press corp. The Post is reporting the FBI is using new, “sophisticated software to identify names, key words and phrases embedded in e-mails and other communications, including text messages, which could lead them to suspects.”

Spies and the Media

Dirty Wars, Documentary on U.S. Covert Warfare Abroad, Wins Sundance Cinematography Award
Iceland president: Let banks go bankrupt

Court: Iceland doesn’t need to repay UK and Dutch depositors

Iceland was entitled to refuse to pay immediate deposit guarantees to savers with failed online bank Icesave in Britain and the Netherlands, a European court said Monday.

The ruling is the latest twist in a bitter dispute which has clouded negotiations on Iceland’s ambitions to become a member of the European Union.

The Court of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA), which covers economic and trading relations between non-EU countries that are a part of the European Economic Area (EEA) single market and their European Union partners, was ruling on Reykjavik’s response to the collapse of the Icelandic banking sector in 2008-9.

The British and Dutch governments spent 3.9 billion euros ($5.5 billion) compensating 340,000 of their citizens who lost their savings in the collapse.

Iceland did not, and the EFTA Court upheld its approach, the court saying it had “dismissed the application” supported by London, The Hague and the European Commission.

Breaking Up the Big Banks is Not a Solution

US Shopping for New Drone Base in Africa

Reporting in the New York Times Monday reveals that the US government is busy in west Africa looking for a country willing to host a military base for a portion its fleet of Predator drones.

Officials who spoke to the newspaper say that only un-armed surveillance drones would be part of an original plan to establish a base, but "they have not ruled out conducting missile strikes" if they consider it necessary in the future.

According to the Times:

If the base is approved, the most likely location for it would be in Niger, a largely desert nation on the eastern border of Mali, where French and Malian troops are now battling Qaeda-backed fighters who control the northern part of that country. The American military’s Africa Command is also discussing options for the base with other countries in the region, including Burkina Faso, officials said.
US Increases Aid to France for Mali Quagmire

The U.S. has significantly increased its aid to France for its current military operations in Mali, the Pentagon announced Saturday night, including aerial refueling and more planes to transport soldiers from other African nations. ...

The move comes as French forces attempt to violently regain power in the former French Colony and current 'trade partner', alongside the Mali military, for fear that Islamists will take over the West African nation.

Critics of U.S. support for French intervention have pointed out that U.S. law forbids foreign assistance funds to leaders that came to power through a coup, the Post reports. Mali’s military leaders, many of whom were trained by U.S. troops, seized power last year via military coup, causing an increase in conflict in the country—a hint towards the complex effects of U.S. foreign policy on Mali's internal politics, which, as many have argued, has largely been exacerbated in the rifts created in the region by the recent U.S. and NATO intervention in Libya.

As the current conflict heightens, French forces reportedly move quickly through the country, and reports surface of innocent civilians being killed—including children—many commentators have shown that an imminent quagmire has already formed for the involved nations.

Three-mile oil sheen follows barge crash on Mississippi river

An oil sheen was spotted up to three miles away after two barges smashed into a bridge near Vicksburg, Mississippi on Sunday, the Coast Guard said in an advisory.

The Old Vicksburg Bridge was not significantly damaged, but officials said that one of the barges carrying up to 80,000 gallons of crude was seriously damaged and spilled an unknown amount of oil into the river.

Reports from area media suggest that one of the boats suffered a 24-foot gash along its side.

Global Mining and Tar Sands Oil Drive Canadian Foreign Policy

Huge crowd turns out to denounce possible transport of tar sands in region

PORTLAND –More than 1,400 people marched from Monument Square to the Maine State Pier to protest the possible use of the Portland-to-Montreal oil pipeline to transport tar sands crude oil to Casco Bay.

Billed by organizers as the largest rally against tar sands oil in the Northeast, the protest featured more than a dozen speakers, including U.S. Rep. Chellie Pingree, D-1st District, and Portland Mayor Michael Brennan.

"I'm going to ask the Obama administration to do a full environmental review of any attempts to pump tar sands through that pipeline," said Pingree.

Portland police estimated the crowd at between 1,400 and 1,500 people. Most other protests against either the use of tar sands crude oil or the Keystone XL pipeline -- proposed to transport the oil from Canada to U.S. refineries on the Gulf Coast -- have been sporadic and smaller than the one in Portland on Saturday.

New Report Warns of Fracking's Hazards

A new report to be presented in Annapolis today by a western Maryland community group warns that developing the state’s Marcellus shale is likely to be destructive to the region and challenges the gas industry’s forecast of an economic boom.

Jannette Barth, a private economist whose report also compares industry claims in several states against actual results, finds that widespread industrialization could permanently disfigure rural areas of Garrett and Allegany counties.

“In the long-term,” Barth writes, “the two counties may be worse off if shale gas development is permitted.“

Her fact-driven analysis starkly contradicts a year-old set of rosy predictions paid for by the gas industry. Local and state elected officials, along with business groups and large land-owners, have relied on the projections to push for drilling. They want an ongoing study of fracking by Gov. Martin O’Malley’s administration to be expedited, in hopes that drilling can begin soon.

In her criticism of last year’s report by Baltimore’s Sage Policy Group, prepared for the Maryland Petroleum Council, Barth writes that “economic benefits are overstated and significant costs” are ignored. In addition, costs associated with standard “boom-and-bust” extractive development are not calculated, Barth says, adding that future generations of Maryland taxpayers are likely to bear the burden of those costs.

Frackonomics - Jannette Barth

You Ain't Gonna Frack Near Maggie's Farm: Action Blockades Shell Site

We need farms, not fracking.

This was the message from a group of concerned activists on Sunday afternoon as they blocked a Shell fracking site in Pennsylvania in part of the wave of rising actions against fossil fuels.

Wearing signs reading "Fracking Threatens Food" and "Protect Farms for Our Future," members of the Shadbush Environmental Justice Collective rallied behind the passionate Maggie Henry, whose organic pork and poultry farm is less than 4,000 feet from Shell's drilling site.

"People buy my food because they know that it is literally the purest that you can get. My animals run around out on ground, in pasture. They're not cooped up in cages," said Henry, who's been farming for 35 years. "Agriculture, not fracking, is the number one industry in Pennsylvania. This threatens my air, my water, my farm, my livelihood."

She's put her blood and sweat into her "beyond organic" farm, she said. "Every single penny we've earned we've invested into this farm."

With her farm, water and environment potentially ruined from Shell's fracking, Henry asked, "How is this different from Shell sticking their hand in my pocket and stealing from me?"

Watch 62 Years of Global Warming in 13 Seconds

Blog Posts of Interest

Here are diaries and selected blog posts of interest on DailyKos and other blogs.
What's Happenin'

Are your laundry soap and other cleaners toxic? About Safe Chemicals

Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Aaron Swartz

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war

Is Obama About to Blow His Climate Credentials?

A Little Night Music

John Campbell - Devil In My Closet

John Campbell - Louisiana Blues

John Campbell - Saddle Up My Pony

John Campbell - Crossroads Blues

John Campbell - Walkin' Blues

John Campbell - Deep River Rag

John Campbell - When The Levee Breaks

John Campbell - Angel Of Sorrow

John Campbell - Couldn't Do Nothin'

John Campbell - Ain't Afraid of Midnight

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Come on over and sign up so that we can send you announcements about the site, the launch, and information about participating in our public beta testing.

Why is National Pie Day the perfect opportunity to tell you more about us?  Well you'll see why very soon.  So what are you waiting for?!   Head on over now and be one of the first!

Originally posted to DFH writers group on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:00 PM PST.

Also republished by Team DFH and Canadian Kossacks.


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Comment Preferences

  •  I'd never heard of John Campbell. (6+ / 0-)

    He plays OK. I got quite a few movies for my must-see list from Amy's trip to Utah, but I thought today's segment with self-absorbed Mariel Hemingway was a waste of time.

    The free market is not the solution, the free market is the problem.

    by Azazello on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:20:22 PM PST

    •  evening azazello... (5+ / 0-)

      john wasn't exactly a household name and his passing away back in 1993 was a bad career move, too.  he got a contract with elektra, i think and did a couple of records for them which featured kind of dark and brooding material.  he was a talented guitarist who had a deep repertoire of early blues material, but he didn't have time to develop (in my opinion) into a more popular, well-known musician.

      other than the segments with jeremy scahill, i have been a little disappointed in the democracy now coverage from sundance, presumably they'll hit their groove again soon.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:29:41 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I fell flat on my back and butt... (11+ / 0-)

    ...after slipping on ice on the way into the house from the car.  My hips aren't fully functioning yet.  I've bruised one elbow.  And my left collar bone is a bit painful.

    Once I take a hot shower (after I pick up Debbie from the bus home from Brooklyn (yes, I have to go out once again), we'll see if things get better.

  •  Thanks for a great roundup. (6+ / 0-)

    Look forward to listening to Panitch.He is always interesting.
    Hope your evening is interesting,too.  

    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:25:53 PM PST

  •  evening joe (8+ / 0-)

    What a whole lotta bad news out there.

    Just an absolute assault on about everything I was raised to believe about this country -

    When the heart doth break, some music to soothe the soul,
    does seem in order.

    I hope you are continuing to get better, joe.

    "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

    by allenjo on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:45:18 PM PST

  •  Good evening, Joe Shikspack (6+ / 0-)

    Professor Leo Panitch makes some good points, but I don't agree with all of them(it ignores 50 years of successes with smaller institutions so they're all bad kind of ignores the Great Compression and crisis aversion til the 80s). Marshall Auerback has more.

    I'm definitely for making banks into public utilities, but that is an even bigger goal than breaking up the banks which he talked about as a sort of pie in the sky language on the left. He's right about economies of scale and there needing a transition period(yet leaves out the government can choose what to backstop and what not to in an ultimately successful type of bailout like Sweden or the S&L crisis) but it can be done as it was done before and enforcing regulations even on smaller banks and ultimately that banking needs to be really boring and regulated like utilities, but if we can't get that Brown Kaufman would have made a major difference which is why the WH fought to defeat it. Standard Oil was broken up and so was Northern Securities a railroad monopoly with good effects which is history he would have to ignore to make some of those points.

    So agree and disagree.

    The President of Iceland is right, too.

    Thanks, Joe Shikspack.

    I don't negotiate grand bargains with deficit terrorists!

    by priceman on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:46:14 PM PST

    •  evening priceman... (5+ / 0-)

      yeah, i'm similarly skeptical about some of panitch's comments about the necessity of retaining large institutions at the expense of breaking them into smaller institutions.  i've for a long time been in favor of returning the job of creating the money that the government needs to operate to the public sector and letting the private banking institutions resize themselves in accord with their smaller role.  i'd also like to see most states create a banking institution akin to the bank of north dakota and see how that works out.

      i've long been a "small is better" kinda guy, and panitch arguing that we need large banking institutions to service our large industry makes me ask the question, "do those institutions need to be that large as well?"  perhaps if all of those oversized titans of industry and finance were diminished to a more "human" size, it would be a better thing for people, the environment and perhaps the economy as well.  

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:00:07 PM PST

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      •  Agreed. The bank of North Dakota is promising.. (5+ / 0-)

        The creation of money does need to return to the public sector which can be done debt free and public banks for states and private banks playing a smaller role to manage dollar assets and succeed or fail on their own merit.

        Exactly. When we are trying to sustain all kinds of systems ultimately smaller is better despite the temporary fallout.

        I don't negotiate grand bargains with deficit terrorists!

        by priceman on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:21:33 PM PST

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      •  I don't know which (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        priceman, ek hornbeck

        position is more unattainable (or should I say less pragmatic): small is beautiful or global public democratic planning. Most days,I think I'll get my next Soros check first.

        "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

        by tardis10 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:22:39 PM PST

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        •  Well that's kind of a dillemma (1+ / 0-)
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          ek hornbeck

          I do think there needs to be some global public central planning with a growing population(where I find weakness in anarchist thought while agreeing with a lot of it) but there is sadly already global public infrastructure for disastrous shit we don't need like the war on terror. We need that sort of thing for battling climate change and spreading diminishing resources to everyone who needs them by giving Democratic control of the creation of money dispersed everywhere to idle human resources.

          The smaller is better(though not too small) contained model mostly goes for the private financial sector; it needs to become more domestic as a whole because it's so big and globally interconnected it's almost impossible to regulate.

          I don't negotiate grand bargains with deficit terrorists!

          by priceman on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:29:17 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Happy To See You Mention Aaron Swartz (6+ / 0-)

    here in your roundup. As a tech geek I think what was done to him was criminal. Look I produce content for a living so I got no desire for folks to steal it.

    But he downloaded FREE academic articles. Not a Stephen King book or a Beck song. But articles often produced by folks paid with taxpayer dollars.

    And they went after him in a brutal manner.

    I love living. I like a fight. I don't think I would ever, ever, ever take my life ..... but my gosh if what happened to him happened to me I might ponder it.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:47:46 PM PST

    •  evening webranding... (4+ / 0-)

      i've been following the aaron swartz issue with great interest.  i think a lot of folks at the center of the issue are seeing this as a computer or computer hacking issue where the problem is that the government doesn't understand the issues and can't be trusted to figure out when a crime has been committed.  unfortunately, it appears to me that this is an issue of a government which can't be trusted not to suppress dissent by twisting the law and abusing its powers.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:07:18 PM PST

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      •  I Don't Want To Get Too Geeky Here (3+ / 0-)

        But you are right. The government in this case didn't understand or didn't want to understand what happened.

        He didn't hack MITs network.

        He basically wrote a small script to allow him to download, or automate the download, of a lot of articles.

        He did this via MITs servers.

        MIT could have stopped this, but it is a tech haven and most tech people think as Araron did that information should be "free."

        So they have almost a totally open network.

        This is really dumbing it down, but it would be like you are staying over at my house. I give you my password for Daily Kos, and you login and then download all my Kos Mails here.

        Now what he did was on a much larger scale, but that is kind of exactly what he did.

        When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

        by webranding on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:19:30 PM PST

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        •  it's all so stupid... (4+ / 0-)

          he downloaded material that he had a right to download.  the only question was about how quickly he was downloading it.  he never got to a point where he might have done something with the material (which at their request, he returned).

          this is not the basis for sending somebody up the river for 30-50 years.  it's just outrageously, maddeningly stupid - and it is proof that our government cannot be trusted.

          i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

          by joe shikspack on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:27:58 PM PST

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  •  Got nothing (7+ / 0-)

    fighting family over four states via email text and phone for two days with me as go between.
    Tip and rec is all I can muster.
    You all have a nice night, thanks for the music!

  •  evening, joe (8+ / 0-)

    and all evening bluesters.

    One more day of cold and then we are supposed to get a big break. Hard to believe it could go from the cold teens up to 60 on Wednesday.  It's just a brief break though and then it will get cold again.  But I'm already planning to have the door open for awhile that day and to have a one or two day spring break.

    Well I'm glad that Iceland won their case.  Let the banks go bankrupt. What a concept!

    I'm worried about these investigations on the journalists.  I'm also worried about Janet Napolitano issuing statements, as head of Homeland Security, about how a cyber 9/11 is imminent.  WTF? Supposedly the cyber PATRIOT Act is waiting on the shelf.  I found myself thinking about that a lot today.  Who is supposedly going to make this big attack on the US and for what purpose? What would be their gain?  Terrorists again?  I'm really not happy that she is invoking the 9/11 meme in order to pressure Congress into passing some kind of legislation that the administration wants.  We've had enough of the 9/11 fearmongering.

    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:52:27 PM PST

    •  evening jl... (3+ / 0-)
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      tardis10, joanneleon, ek hornbeck

      i'm ready to be warm again.  it's supposed to get up into the upper 40's maybe low 50's here tomorrow.  woohoo!

      i think that your concerns are well-placed.  i see us spiraling into a significant loss of not only civil liberties, but a serious demise of our civic culture.  our media institutions have been in decline for years, but this administration seems all too eager to perform the coup de grace and remove the last vestiges of the sort of investigative reporting that acts as a partial balance to governmental secrecy gone wild and allows the public to have an inkling of what the government is doing in their behalf.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:16:29 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Good evening, Joe and blues-ers (5+ / 0-)

    Amaryllis in the Conservatory, Butchart Garden

    Will BBL, my printer can't find its new driver. Mountain Lion says the other one was a PC driver that is no longer supported.

    ❧To thine ownself be true

    by Agathena on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:53:41 PM PST

  •  Starting to make plans to attend my 4th... (5+ / 0-)

    ...Jazz Fest.

    Best music concert anywhere every year.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:57:45 PM PST

    •  My Favorite Jazz Fest Story (4+ / 0-)

      and I got a lot of them.

      I think it was 2002. I was going and my brother (and his best friend), who is much younger than myself, wanted to attend to see Dave Matthews. We saw Cowboy Mouth play then Dave was closing the show.

      I told my brothers friend I wasn't much of a fan of Dave so I was going to another tent. He came with me. We went to a small tent and heard this jazz band and gospel band jamming together.

      We danced and danced. Congo lines were formed.

      He even to this day says his favorite music experience.

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:06:54 PM PST

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    •  My Second Favorite Jazz Fest Story (3+ / 0-)
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      Shockwave, joe shikspack, ek hornbeck

      1993. Paul McCartney playing the last Sunday at the Superdome.

      Now please don't laugh at me but at the time I might not have been able to name a single Beatles song. I knew nothing of his other music.

      It was as close to a religious experience, said as an Atheist, that I might have had at the time.

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:12:23 PM PST

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    •  woohoo! (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Shockwave, joanneleon, ek hornbeck

      that'll be a great time!  enjoy!  if you want to stop by tomorrow night, i'll be featuring snooks eaglin whom perhaps you've been fortunate enough to see at jazz fest.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:19:37 PM PST

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    •  Have You Ever Been To Bonnaroo? (3+ / 0-)
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      joe shikspack, tardis10, ek hornbeck

      Jazz Fest is Jazz Fest. Will never put it down. But Bonnaroo. Oh my. I was in this crowd.

      You camp out in like a 700 acre field in TN for four days. It is the only time I've been to a concert where the sun was raising as the band (Angry Mouse -- my musical interested are wide and deep) finished their set.

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:33:56 PM PST

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  •  Interesting stuff tonite, Joe, thanks. Hope that (5+ / 0-)

    your recovery is progressing on schedule or better.

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:04:31 PM PST

  •  Canadian coalition protesting against extraction (4+ / 0-)

    is promising

    when several groups get linked together, bigger things will happen

    this article says 50 groups are aligned to protest against extraction, pipelines and take over of native lands

    the indigenous people have been active and now are joined by others

    Joe has some additional links on anti fracking actions in the US

    if tar sands are developed, and the other resources in the inventory of the oil and coal companies, many experts claim that it is all over for the environment

    that sure sounds like something to deal with. Is Obama going to approve the tar sands pipe line???

    •  ah, the $64 question... (2+ / 0-)
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      Don midwest, ek hornbeck

      will obama approve the keystone xl pipeline.  i think that we're about to find out how thin the soles of his shoes are, because there are an awful lot of people who are going to hold obama's feet to the fire on this issue.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:55:26 PM PST

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      •  is there a sorta approve, sorta not approve? (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        joe shikspack, ek hornbeck

        some weasel way to handle it?

      •  Keystone will bring the bitumen south (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Don midwest, ek hornbeck

        from Alberta, Canada to the Gulf Coast to be exported to Europe. It will mean expansion of the Tar Sands once the pipeline is constructed. It will be bring dirty diluted bitumen or dilbit across the US from north to south.

        What the Canadians are fighting most of all is the east/west Enbridge proposed pipeline that will go from the Tar Sands cross the province of BC to Kitimat. It will bring super tankers into the Douglas channel that is full of islands. It means super tankers will travel the BC coastline and bring the risks of another Exxon-Valdez type of incident, except dilbit is much worse. It's dirty oil. The port of Kitimat is used to ship the dilbit  to China and Japan.

        ❧To thine ownself be true

        by Agathena on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:25:17 PM PST

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  •  Drive by to say hi. (1+ / 0-)
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    ek hornbeck

    Crazy busy - just got home.  Like the set.  Be well and I'll drop by again soon.  Peace, cw.

    "Differences in political opinion are as unavoidable as, to a certain point, they may perhaps be necessary." George Washington

    by civil wingnut on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:33:48 PM PST

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