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I am wondering if I now have permanent heart damage, no joke.  My heart was perfectly healthy until recently.  I am hoping it will return to its healthy state as soon as this killer Salt Lake City/County air clears up.

UPDATE:  See addition at the end of this diary to learn what my Doctor's response was when I called for an appointment.  My doctor is nuts!

I got what I thought was the flu and wrote this diary on January 1st which coincided with reports of air quality warnings.  I had spent a few hours outside the day before.

Wondering what was what, research led to the discovery of our business-friendly Governor Herbert's Energy Summit, which I reported here:

UPDATE RALLY ON! Is Utah's Air Quality Doomed to Remain Toxic Forever?  It May be killing you now!

Ironically, I was too weak to attend the rally and my SLC Kossack Meetup.  It was more than depressing that only about 100 concerned Utah citizens attended the Rally.  Maybe they didn't or couldn't risk exposure to our toxic air either.  More irony!

In restropect, I believe I was/am one of the members of the demographic deemed most vulnerable to Salt Lake City's poisonous air:  The elderly!  From MSNBC

It all started with sore ears and throat.  I immediatey went into garlic and chicken broth mode, etc.  I didn't have a fever, although it took about 3 weeks for one ear to stop being sore.  I don't think it was the flu in retrospect.  I'm pretty convinced the foul air, that has not retreated for weeks, is the culprit.  My two year old grandchild hasn't had any illness until this time, either.  It took three weeks for her to recover, and only after a respite from the toxic air.

I can honestly say I have never experienced this degree of weakness in my life.  It has also left me feeling depressed, also new, so I apologize for sounding negative.   .  

At the suggestion of my doctor in response to the oppressive weakness, I have closely monitored my blood pressure to see if that might explain it.  I found that my blood pressure fluctuates hugely, but definitely spikes if I go outside to the 190's over 110s.  It drops to normal after staying inside for a couple of hours.  Of course, I avoid going outside and the weakness helps override cabin fever.  As I write (9:45), my BP is 184 over 110 even though I have remained indoors and the air is cleaner today.  Yesterday, it was 134 over 80.  Upon waking, my BP is normal.  What the heck!

Today is the first day in weeks I have felt energetic enough to sit up and use my desktop instead of lounging with my iPad.

And much to my dismay for myself, babies, kids with asthma, and fellow elders, business friendly Utah is about to make matters much, much worse in pursuit of the $$ to be made extracting thousands of new fracking wells and tar sands.  <==  Read this link for the gruesome details of what this will mean.

In the article, it praises "business friendly" Utah:

Despite these challenges, industry analyst and financial writer Bret Jensen, based in Miami, said , "I still like Newfield. They are moving more to oil and liquid production, and Utah is an extremely friendly business state. There’s always been mining and [agriculture], and now throw in oil in a state that’s conducive to furthering those businesses, that’s a huge plus."
There are five oil refineries listed on Wikipedia befouling our air, although it looks like there might be others as seen on Google Earth.  There may be more than five refineries.  I have tagged a couple of unmentioned locations as "Looks like a refinery" on this Google Earth snapshop.  Note the proximity to Salt Lake City and other densely populated areas:

Oil Refineries near Salt Lake City, Utah

Salt Lake Refineries

See page 4 for map of bitumen refineries in the US.  These are the Salt Lake bitumen refineries found on the map.

4 Utah Refineries Processing Tar Sands Oil

Bitumen explodes.  Refineries explode.  Bitumen refineries are high risk for explosions.  Explosions cause even higher toxic releases, putting people at greater health risks.  Utah's refineries explode all the time!

Utah's Unstable Oil Refineries

In the past 10 years, Utah’s five refineries themselves have reported fires, explosions, chemical releases and spills, both large and small, on average once every nine days
AND THE REFINERIES ARE GOING TO EXPAND!!!
All five of Salt Lake's oil refineries are expanding and are already refining bitumen.  The expansions of production to these refineries will help process the bitumen from Utah's new tar sands production.

35,000 acres of tar sands, in addition to the thousands of wells mentioned in the article above are about to be developed.  Tar sands produce Bitumen which has the consistency of peanut butter and can't be piped without lots of chemical additives.

How can anyone believe that the Utah Government cares about our health?  Our property values?  Our babies, toddlers, and children (most of whom have to walk to and from school)?

Look at the housing development built adjacent to the exploding Holly Refinery:

Holly Refinery, near Salt Lake City and Housing Development - Woods Cross, Utah

So, I think the refineries pollution is affecting my heart.

BUT MAYBE IT IS THE GINORMOUS COPPER MINE just a tad southwest of my home.

But maybe it's the giant Rio Tinto Copper mine that is causing me health problems.  I live closer to this than the refineries.  It's huge, my town water now comes from 150 year old mine sludge that Rio Tinto, the new mine owner, puts through their reverse osmosis system and sells to us.  I don't drink or even cook with this water.  Our arsenic levels and the long list of other contaminents are below EPA standards, or so we are told.

Here's where Rio Tinto Copper mine is situated west of Salt Lake Valley.  This Google Earth pic shows the size of this mine is 6 miles x 3.59 miles or 18 square miles!  The mine is 150 years old and still going strong.  At night you can see giant flood lights on top of the pit, which makes me wonder if they are digging 24/7.  I wouldn't be surprised:

(2010) environmental groups accused Kennecott Utah Copper LLC of violating production limits designed to prevent dust and other particle pollution at the Bingham Canyon Copper Mine, the world's largest open-pit copper mine (Greenwire, Dec. 20, 2011).

The debate, proposed rule and litigation showcase the increased focus on mining pollution affecting the air and not just water and soil.

Rio Tinto Copper Mine, West of Salt Lake City, Utah - 6 miles x 3.59 miles, 150 years old

You can read about this state-sanctioned environmental pariah here:  The danger down below: Cancer cluster raises questions about legacy of toxic waste in Utah soil

You see, in Utah it looks like EPA doesn't work very well.  Huge housing developments have since been built on the contaminated mining soils on the west side of Salt Lake Valley.  The mining company owns the land and business-friendly Utah lets them build thousands of new homes over the past decade.  The housing boom seems to have re-ignited as hundreds of new homes are AGAIN being built.

OR MAYBE IT'S THE GIANT SAND PITS IN THE MIDDLE OF DENSELY POPULATED South Salt Lake County, pictured here.

This is the craziest project I have ever seen.  Practically all of Utah is made of sand, but these people choose to excavate in the middle of the population.  And the State/County/Towns let thousands of NEW homes be built adjacent to this behemoth sand pit!  This was a tiny operation a decade ago, but has simply boomed with no end in sight.

4 Sq Mile Sand Pit, Salt Lake City, Utah

Sand Excavation, Concrete Site, South Salt Lake County, Utah

NONE of this was revealed on the paperwork I signed when I bought a home here.  I know, some of you must think I am stupid and perhaps I am.  I chaulk up my lack of due diligence to my generation who believed the EPA was protecting us.  I don't believe that anymore.

I have completely lost faith in Utah Government which has been gerrymandered into a permanent GOP controlled rule.  The pollution will only get worse.

There are huge plans for more housing to be built by Rio Tinto that will double the population of the Salt Lake County.  This will increase the pollution from cars, etc.

Only 100 people showed up to protest at the Governor's energy summit!

Greed rules.

Maybe I just have a broken heart.

Thank you to my dkos friends that reached out to see how I have been faring, especially middleagedhousewife.  {{{  Hugs }}}  You have no idea how much your caring outreach lifted my spirits.  

HEALTH CONSEQUENCES OF PARTICULATE AIR POLLUTION

For more details about the disgusting environmental state of Utah, go here for info and links.

I know

Mining Jobs
Oil refinery jobs
Tar sands jobs
Sand Pit jobs
And all those polluting trucking jobs hauling the pollutants around the state
Jobs

Hell, we will job ourselves into early graves with all this damn pollution!  

I'm banking on it!  Literally.  I won't spend a dime to save this bag of dust.  I'd rather leave what little I have to help my kids survive our Brave New World.

Off to read and rest.

Thank you for dropping in.

THE DOCTORS RESPONSE TO MY REQUEST FOR AN APPOINTMENT

OMGosh. You won't believe this.
My Doctor is nuts.

I haven't seen him for two years and only then because a heavy, tall wooden stool crashed onto my foot.  I wanted to make sure it wasn't broken.  I had to see him first, get a referral to the hospital to avoid the $1,500 fee I was quoted by the hospital if I came in for an x-ray without a Dr. referral.

I left a long message detailing the BP readings, ending with a request for an appointment.

The Docs nurse called me back.  I was given a prescription OVER THE PHONE, without being seen by the Doc, for Lisinopril, 20 mgs, qty 30 pill and told to take it for three weeks and THEN come in for an appointment.  I called the pharmacy and there were no special instructions.  The cost is only $4.00.  Lisinopril is a cheap, dangerous drug.

I asked if the month of air pollution could be a root cause of this seemingly random high blood pressure event and she said emphatically NO.

Well, I don't just obediently take meds.  I have been fortunate to not need meds.  I worked for a holistic hospital a few decades ago for a couple of years and learned a lot about health and nutrition.  So I always research meds first on the rare occasions I might need one.

I found that Lisinopril is a dangerous drug.

And, get this.  I reminded the nurse that I had taken Atenolol years ago, for a couple of years, with no side effects and then requested that the prescription be for the lowest dose of Atenolol.

The Doc had told the nurse NO to Atenolol.

I won't be taking the Lisinopril, and certainly not the high dose the Doc prescribed WITHOUT seeing me!

So, then I called the local health food store to see if they had Bonito Peptide Complex which has received rave reviews for lowering blood pressure.  

I talked with generous, kind Allison who was very well-informed.  Her first question was "What foods have you been craving?"  I told her beets, kale, beans, and dulce.  She said that made perfect sense.  Beets to cleanse the toxins, kale & beans for dietary calcium, and dulce for my thyroid.  She suggested I increase my non-dairy, dietary calcium.

I am upping my dietary calcium intake.

Hello kale, spinach, spirilina, beans, etc. and more garlic.  As luck would have it, I have some of my frozen kale, garlic, garbanzo soup which I am defrosting as we speak.

What is true is that I haven't been eating properly because of feeling so weak.

Moral of the story:  When the strong feel weak, I strongly suggest eating properly regardless of how you feel.

I will report back in a few days.

I hope this isn't TMI.

I was advised by a Health Consultant at Good Earth store to increase food based calcium.

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  •  So sorry to hear of your health problems. (12+ / 0-)

    I wish you the very best with that. Thanks as always for your activism. Hang in there.

  •  horrible (5+ / 0-)

    only just last night learned about these dire air quality conditions. alarming.

    the things we do to our surroundings, because we're told that "it's good for the economy." * sigh *

    i'm so sorry -- i hope things clear and that you are able to breathe easier and feel better soon.  

    in the meantime, thank you for rallying to to cause of putting up this comprehensive diary.

    "i hear you're mad about brubeck ... i like your eyes. i like him too." -donald fagen

    by homo neurotic on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:05:55 PM PST

  •  I would return to the Dr. ASAP (8+ / 0-)

    Regardless of perceived cause, fluxes in blood pressure like this are not normal and not good.  Self-diagnosis is not recommended.

    Just do it.

    Best.

    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

    by EdMass on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:06:26 PM PST

    •  Thanks, EdMass. The good news is (7+ / 0-)

      my Medicare will kick in this March when I turn 65.  I already have my Medicare card.

      All I have to do is hang in there until March.  Like millions of others, I am uninsured.  I have been the picture of health until this crazy pollution.

      Like millions of others, I will have to balance the out-of-pocket costs of treatment with the need to have cash to live on until D-Day.

      I am hoping and, quite frankly, praying all will return to normal once the air clears up.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:17:16 PM PST

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      •  The phrase (4+ / 0-)
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        War on Error, notrouble, jlms qkw, 1BQ

        "penny wise and pound foolish"  comes to mind.

        Your call.  Stay well.

        "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

        by EdMass on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:19:46 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I needed that. (5+ / 0-)
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          EdMass, notrouble, jlms qkw, 1BQ, wenchacha

          Will call Doc for an appointment.  Thanks for nudging me.

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:25:27 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  OMGosh. You won't believe this. (0+ / 0-)

          My Doctor is nuts.

          I haven't seen him for two years and only then because a heavy, tall wooden stool crashed onto my foot.  I wanted to make sure it wasn't broken.  I had to see him first, get a referral to the hospital to avoid the $1,500 fee I was quoted by the hospital if I came in for an x-ray without a Dr. referral.

          I left a long message detailing the BP readings, ending with a request for an appointment.

          The Docs nurse called me back.  I was given a prescription OVER THE PHONE, without being seen by the Doc, for Lisinopril, 20 mgs, qty 30 pill and told to take it for three weeks and THEN come in for an appointment.  I called the pharmacy and there were no special instructions.  The cost is only $4.00.  Lisinopril is a cheap, dangerous drug.

          I asked if the month of air pollution could be a root cause of this seemingly random high blood pressure event and she said emphatically NO.

          Well, I don't just obediently take meds.  I have been fortunate to not need meds.  I worked for a holistic hospital a few decades ago for a couple of years and learned a lot about health and nutrition.  So I always research meds first on the rare occasions I might need one.

          I found that Lisinopril is a dangerous drug.

          And, get this.  I reminded the nurse that I had taken Atenolol years ago, for a couple of years, with no side effects and then requested that the prescription be for the lowest dose of Atenolol.

          The Doc had told the nurse NO to Atenolol.

          I won't be taking the Lisinopril, and certainly not the high dose the Doc prescribed WITHOUT seeing me!

          So, then I called the local health food store to see if they had Bonito Peptide Complex which has received rave reviews for lowering blood pressure.  

          I talked with generous, kind Allison who was very well-informed.  Her first question was "What foods have you been craving?"  I told her beets, kale, beans, and dulce.  She said that made perfect sense.  Beets to cleanse the toxins, kale & beans for dietary calcium, and dulce for my thyroid.  She suggested I increase my non-dairy, dietary calcium.

          I am upping my dietary calcium intake.

          Hello kale, spinach, spirilina, beans, etc. and more garlic.  As luck would have it, I have some of my frozen kale, garlic, garbanzo soup which I am defrosting as we speak.

          What is true is that I haven't been eating properly because of feeling so weak.

          Moral of the story:  When the strong feel weak, I strongly suggest eating properly regardless of how you feel.

          I will report back in a few days.

          I hope this isn't TMI.

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:57:07 PM PST

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          •  When I took lisinpril briefly (2+ / 0-)
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            War on Error, ColoTim

            it made me feel like a zombi and I got off of it after about 10 days.

            Lisinpril is an angiotensin converting enzyme inhibitor.

            A far better high blood pressure medication to take is Diovan, which is an angiotensin receptor blocker, it will be more effective than lisinpril in getting blood pressure under control and it has very few side effects.

            The purpose of these types of medications is to block or inhibit enzymatic action the converts angio tensin I to angiotensin II, which is a more powerful agent for blood vessel constriction and thus higher blood pressure.  

            Diovan also has an established protective effect on the kidneys.    Potassium management is also not a problem with
            Diovan, unlike other high blood pressure medications.

            •  Thank you! (0+ / 0-)

              I will consider Diovan.

              However, the Doc nor I have any idea what is the root cause of the higher BP.  I suspect our filthy air and the Doc says no way.

              Keep in mind, my blood pressure has been fine for years!  Therefore, to experiment with this and that med makes no sense to me without at least a cursory exam to see, for instance, if there is a difference in heart rates in my four  quadrants.  At the very least, I would think any reputable Doctor would at least listen to my heart before prescribing a controversial med.  

              I am going to aggressively work to reduce the BP naturally and, if it doesn't improve in a week or so, I will try to find another doctor.  Again, I did really well on the Atenolol years ago.

              It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

              by War on Error on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:39:30 PM PST

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              •  Perhaps time for a second opinion? (1+ / 0-)
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                Calamity Jean

                Your description and especially illustration of the destruction of the environment in Utah is compelling. I am certain no true benefit can come of savaging at that massive level.

                Any chance you can sell your house to a 'business-friendly' person and find a healthier spot?

                I always look for your levelheaded posts and want you to be well!

  •  Please feel better soon (3+ / 0-)
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    For some reason I thought you were in Florida ?????

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:09:56 PM PST

  •  me too (8+ / 0-)

    My blood pressure has been corrected with medicine. But, I have had three near death experiences so far. You cannot take this lightly and need to see a physician pronto!

    Meditate every single day. I recommend walking too but with the air quality such as it is there, you may want to go to the mall. A daily regimen of walking is really what has saved my life, at least so far.

    •  Great suggestion. I have a treadmill and a (6+ / 0-)

      recumbant bike but, because of feeling so weak, haven't dared to exert myself.  Maybe I should anyway for 10 minutes or so to start.

      Years ago I took a low dose of atenolol for high BP.  It was cured once I was released from a very stressful marriage.  I stopped taking it because it made my BP too low.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:24:25 PM PST

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      •  Would having oxygen handy be helpful? (1+ / 0-)
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        War on Error

        I don't know but a blast of the real stuff whenever you need it sounds good to me. Like I said, I dunno.
        Don't rapacious repugs have to breathe the same air? Mormons? Do they all live upwind or something?

        I ♥ President Obama and have his back.
        Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO subsidies to rich Corps.
        Rich pay more, bloated DoD steal less. End war on Afghanistan 01/01/14.

        by OleHippieChick on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 05:15:33 PM PST

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      •  when I started walking (1+ / 0-)
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        War on Error

        . . .after my first time in the hospital, it was with a walker and I could get to the corner and back and then would promptly sleep for a couple of hours. Within weeks, I was walking up and down the block, slowly.

        After nearly dying twice more, once from food poisoning, I am back at it, slowly getting stronger. But, my heart rate is a mess, I fear with permanent a-fib. Sometimes, it feels as if there is a popcorn popper within my chest.

        Still, I decided just to stop worrying about it and go on. I exercise daily, don't drink or smoke pot and I stay away from caffeine. Sheeesh. I may even have to give up my canoe.

        So, please, don't take it for granted. That treadmill sounds like a great idea.

  •  I am so sorry you're going through this. (6+ / 0-)

    I have no advice for you, but perhaps sharing this image which has been going around Facebook today will make you feel less alone:

    https://www.facebook.com/...

    For those who can't access facebook, I'll explain:

    It's an illustration of a factory or a power plant spewing smoke, and the words say:

    explain to future generations it was good for the economy.

    when they can't farm the land, breathe the air, or drink the water.

    Too Much Month Sale at Jan4insight Handmade Gallery! 15%off scarves, jewelry, journals, and cool prints to dress up your walls!

    by jan4insight on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:44:55 PM PST

  •  Sorry you're feeing poorly. (5+ / 0-)

    I hope you get better somehow. I have experienced some coughing on similar days during biking season, and have recently gone snowshoeing up out of range of the smog. Actually smelled the smog upon reentry in the Mill Creek area. Normally used to it, and it doesn't smell nearly as much as the Los Angeles area did in the 60s.

    I stay indoors, up by the U.

    I venture out in my hybrids with the cabin air filters sometimes.

    I did see a guy on a bicycle down at South Temple and State wearing a respirator with two purple filters on it. Good idea. I'd be riding a bike more except for the icy streets, and also since I rarely have to go anywhere.

    With Utah's accent on growth, I don't see this improving anytime soon. Rocky Anderson used to rail at all those commuters coming in from "foreign" counties, but Becker seems more open to them.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:48:56 PM PST

    •  Thanks. I think I will get better. (3+ / 0-)
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      I have always been really, really blessed with great health and stamina.

      But I am sure peeved about this recent bout, and the plans to increase/expand the mine, the refineries, and the population.  The tar sands project is beyond my comprehension.  I came here for the pristine nature, and it seems to be Utah Govs nature to destroy it.  

      Re:  The smell

      On a couple of occasions lately, I have smelled a kerosene-like smell in the early evenings while taking out my dog.  What does the smog smell like to you?

      I like the respirator idea.  I'm sure Calvin Klein and/or other designers can improve the aesthetics.

      Let's see.  Air/appearance?  I'll go for the air thank you very much.

      : ))

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 03:11:01 PM PST

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      •  I was trying to put my finger on the smell, (1+ / 0-)
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        War on Error

        but really couldn't and can't quite remember it now. Just that it wasn't like air.

        As for expanding the population, well that's going to just keep on for a while until everyone who wants to become an American is given the opportunity. Perhaps at some point we can offer them some kind of "citizenship in place". lol.

        Moderation in most things.

        by billmosby on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 03:39:49 PM PST

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  •  Here are my Comments on Holly Refinery (2+ / 0-)
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    War on Error, Creosote

    There comments, along with several others, and additional comments from Utah Physicians for Healthy Environment & Western Resource Advocates....

    [WARNING....this is not light reading..]

    http://www.sagady.com/...

    This concerned a Draft Approval Order to be issued to Holly Refinery by Utah Dept of Environmental Quality Division of Air Quality pursuant to the prevention of significant deterioration application by Holly Refinery.

    The short message is that granting the Holly Refinery permit would violate the Clean Air Act and EPA's new source review regulations.

    •  That was filed on the comment deadline, yesterday. (1+ / 0-)
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      War on Error
      •  I will read. I perused and wondered (1+ / 0-)
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        Creosote

        Who paid for this Environmental Study?

        Also, I searched the doc and found no reference to bitumen.

        This is really important.  Are Holly and the other refineries not reporting that they are refining Bitumen from Canada?

        I once had a link to a report in which it stated that the first US bitumen refining would be done at a Utah refinery.  It was a deal made with Canada's tar sands group.  I have tried and tried, but have been unable to find this article again.

        I hope this bitumen information makes it to the right people ASAP.

        Bitumen has to be constantly heated to keep it from turning wax-like.  It is heated in containers.  The heated containers can explode.  There are plans to transport the bitumen from eastern Utah tar sands mining in heated containers to the Salt Lake City refineries because, well that makes sense.

        Keystone will send chemically treated bitumen via the pipeling.  We all know that bitumen is a disaster waiting for places to happen.

        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:14:04 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Reply to message (2+ / 0-)
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          War on Error, Creosote

          I was hired by Western Resource Advocates to conduct an independent technical review and that workproduct is the result of that review.

          Holly was going to use heavy sour crudes but they want to switch to Utah-local waxy low sulfur crudes.

          I don't have complete crude slate information for this refinery, but I can definitely tell you that the waxy crudes they want to use are not tar sands syncrude.

          •  The report above? (1+ / 0-)
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            Creosote

            The Michigan environmental engineering report?  Are you Sagady?

            Alexander J. Sagady, Environmental Consultant
            657 Spartan Ave., East Lansing, MI 48823;  

            The technical comments herein are adopted on the record & for purposes of public comment submittal to UDEQ-DAQ by:

            Utah Physicians for Healthy Environment (UPHE) & Western Resource Advocates (WRA)

            Sour crude is FROM tar sands.

            I highly recommend reading this report.

            I don't believe Holly for a second.  Heavy sour crude is why Holly bought this refinery from Conoco!

            Pipeline would allow Holly to "sour up" Utah Woods refinery. Article from: Oil Express | July 18, 2005

            The proposed pipeline would be a crucial part of Holly's plans to run more Canadian sour crude at Woods Cross and benefit from hefty sour crude discounts to …
            Best Buy in Refiners
            Holly Corporation (HOC) operates two refineries in Utah and Montana. Holly currently can only process 5,000 barrels per day of heavy/sour crude vs. a total capacity of 110,000 barrels per day. This will reach 55,000 in 2010. They also are building a pipeline from their Salt Lake refinery to Las Vegas to deliver refined product to this high growth market, which will be completed in 2009. To achieve this they will be investing substantially more capital than in the past over the next several years.
            TAR SANDS REFINERIES:  COMMUNITIES AT RISK A FOREST ETHICS REPORT BY AARON SANGER, U.S. CAMPAIGNS DIRECTOR

            On page 4 is a map of the refineries already processing Tar Sands sour crude.  4 are located in Salt Lake area, and one is HOLLY.

            I don't trust the Utah refineries to offer any facts that might not suit their purpose.  The push for these refineries to be used for the oil coming out of east Utah, to include tar sands, is HUGE.

            And, please forgive this lay person for questioning a professional of your high degree and experience.

            What can we, the people of this area do to stop this insanity?

            Why can't they tear down, transport, and build the needed refineries near the actual oil production areas here in Utah instead of in the middle of a city!  

            Utah's oil production is located out in the boon docks!  And the need to surface transport this for the next few decades could be eliminated.  That cost savings alone could possibly cost-justify the new refinery.  I'm sure the FED has some money for that as well.

            It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

            by War on Error on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 08:06:20 PM PST

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            •  Also, this link (0+ / 0-)

              Holly Corporation, Investor Presentation, Fall 2012

              Anyway all this info can enter the comment stream you mentioned?

              It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

              by War on Error on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 08:09:53 PM PST

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            •  You're attempting to rely on old information (1+ / 0-)
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              that isn't what happened, because the refinery chose not to use the heavy sour crude sources identified in all of that.

              You're focusing on the wrong thing for purposes of petroleum refinery air emission regulation.    A properly designed refinery will have no trouble refining synthetic crude from tar sands.

              The primary issue about crude oil from an emission standpoint for permitting at the refinery is the sulfur
              content of the crude, and this refinery is moving to heavy low sulfur crude petroleum from local Utah sources.

              •  Perhaps. However, bitumen, heavy sour crude (1+ / 0-)
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                is not good for our city center refineries.

                I was addressing the discussion of whether or not Holly would be able to process Utah's tar sand oil.  Would you agree, based on information provided, that Holly is set up to do so?  And is already doing so using Canada's tar sands?

                And it's difficult to conclude that air emissions won't get worse just by expanding production at Holly.  

                Are you saying increased refining of heavy, sour crude from Utah tar sands won't emit increased toxins?

                What's synthetic about tar sand oil?

                It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                by War on Error on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:29:29 PM PST

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  •  Take care, I too live in the gap, no health ins. (3+ / 0-)

    and have not feeling up to par.

    "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

    by smiley7 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 05:06:30 PM PST

    •  The gap sux. (1+ / 0-)
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      I hope you are healthy and live to that happy day when some of our medical expenses will be paid by Medicare.  I wish all our medical care would be covered though.  It's not like we seniors are raking in the dough or that companies want to hire us for good paying jobs.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:15:14 PM PST

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  •  On the maps, I see the new housing developments, (2+ / 0-)
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    older housing, and mobile homes noted. Are the new developments upscale or for upper management there? What if the buyers start feeling the way you do? If they have bucks they'll have clout. NIMBY may set in.
    These companies are leaving giant scars on the Earth. And I'm so sorry you made a bad move. We've had many but ended up on the east coast of FL. The southeast breeze comes from over the ocean.

    I ♥ President Obama and have his back.
    Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO subsidies to rich Corps.
    Rich pay more, bloated DoD steal less. End war on Afghanistan 01/01/14.

    by OleHippieChick on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 05:29:22 PM PST

  •  ...great diary... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...I always avoided Salt Lake City back in the days when I used to drive to and through it a lot (back in the 1970's and 1980's).  Back then it was bad...now it is far, far worse.

    Well, there is a reason the local native population called it "place where the smoke doesn't rise."  WAIT, that's Denver, where I'm from...that's what the Cheyenne called the basin that Denver is located.

    Well, unfortunately, SLC is much worse.  Good luck...

    Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences.

    by paradise50 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:05:49 PM PST

    •  But didn't Denver solve its pollution problems? (0+ / 0-)

      I remember the news reports when Denver was really bad.  I was in the NEast at the time.

      Of course SLC is worse.  The population has sky rocketed, the refineries are refining bitumen and have increased production, diesel trucks have NO constraints, the copper mine is constantly increasing production, and you pretty much have to drive to get anywhere.  Most kids are driven to and from school by a parent because there are so few, if any, school buses.

      I need a fresh air vaca!

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:18:41 PM PST

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      •  Same geography as Mexico City (1+ / 0-)
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        Salt Lake City is built on what used to be a bay on Lake Bonneville.  It's surrounded by big mountains on 3 sides.

        Denver's mountains aren't as close.

        The Utah Transit Authority was selected as the "Transit System Of The Year" for the country back in the 90's, commuter rail just opened down to Utah County and light rail is expanding to the airport and Draper.

        My wife works downtown and gets a free light rail pass.

        There's a school bus parked in front of the Jordan School District headquarters down the street from my house, with a big banner on it saying they are hiring bus drivers.

  •  A Utah Valley Smog pic for 2007 (1+ / 0-)
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    http://www.sagady.com/...

    I did not take this photo.

  •  Ask your doctor for a prescription for Diovan (1+ / 0-)
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    and forget about health food store remedies on high blood pressure.

    I buy 80 mg diovan inexpensively at www.jandrugs.com
    with my doctor's prescription....and he's a clinical professor of medicine at Michigan State University.

  •  The alternative is worse (1+ / 0-)
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    At least mining, oil refining and trucking are better than Utah's numerous Multi Level Marketing Snake Oil producers.

    Besides our high birth rate; there's another reason for Utah's population increase.  But I don't think we want to go there.

  •  Us & New Jersey (1+ / 0-)
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    This site says we are #29 in air pollution.

    New Jersey and Utah; both of which have issues with pollution, are still among the healthiest states.

    I was pretty sure we would be dead last in the country for "poor mental health days".

  •  Funniest SLC Pollution Solution yet (1+ / 0-)
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    From a commentor at the SLCTrib

    Hey! That gives me an idea. Now that Rick Perry has been reduced to a smoldering pile of irrelevancy, maybe we could get him to come here and put on one of those phony Prayer thingies he tried in Texas to get it to rain and, of course, failed.

    "Oh, dear lard, we have gathered here today to ask your blessings in removing the deadly particulates and toxic chemistry we've put in our own breathing-air.

    We know, oh lard, that we cannot ask Rio Tinto to shut down every other day during one of these inversions or make mass transit free during those times, and, in fact, oh lard, we're plannin' on expanding the refinery here in town!

    So, we ask your blessings for the job creators that are killing us, oh lard.

    I say these things in the name of money and greed, pure plain and simple, Shazam!"

    http://www.sltrib.com/...

    It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

    by War on Error on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 10:57:45 AM PST

  •  Moving beyond causes of air pollution (1+ / 0-)
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    Who knew how bad things were in Salt Lake City until the recent publicity about your massive air pollution? I didn't.  This post was a real eye opener, except that open eyes are probably a nightmare with all the pollution. Bitumen refining and sand mining...all part of what we need to leave behind. The irony is that Utah could be a huge producer of clean energy from solar and wind resources. The most efficient way to store that energy or to distribute it would be as hydrogen. The infrastructure to facilitate that is within our grasp. There is a plan to use social organizing, recruiting volunteer green lobbyists who seek the support of both government and venture capital. Read about it at http://www.daveworld.biz/....

    •  I wonder if the sand mine expanded to (0+ / 0-)

      Facilitate the thousands of fracking wells west of SLC?

      Makes no sense to do so in the middle of the most populated area of the state!

      Most of Utah is sand.

      Shame on government for allowing this sand pit and then building hundreds of homes next to it.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 10:40:08 AM PST

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