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A short time ago, President Barack Obama concluded a 25-minute speech in Las Vegas, Nevada, making the case for immigration reform. The "news" of the speech is that he is embracing efforts in the Senate to craft bipartisan legislation that would reform our immigration laws and provide a path to citizenship for the millions of people living in our country without legal status.

"At this moment, it looks like there’s a genuine desire to get this done soon," Obama said. But while he said that the efforts in the Senate were "encouraging," he also said that if those efforts failed to quickly result in legislative action he would send his own bill to Capitol Hill and begin pushing for that. Translation: If members of Congress want credit for working on immigration reform, they need to deliver results, and soon. Otherwise, the president will use the power of the bully pulpit to define the debate.

But while the news of the speech centered on the politics and process of immigration policy reform, the thing that made it powerful was its statement of values. "We define ourselves as a nation of immigrants—that's who we are in our bones," Obama said. "Immigration has always been something that inflames passions. That's not surprising. There are few things that are more important to us as as society than who gets to come here and call our country home. Who gets the privilege of becoming a citizen of the United States of America. That's a big deal."

Continue below the fold for more from President Obama's speech.

President Obama continued:

When we talk about that in the abstract, it is easy sometimes for the discussion to take on a feeling of us versus them. And when that happens, a lot of folks forget that most of us used to be them. We forget that. And it’s really important for us to remember history. Unless you’re one of the first Americans, a Native American, you came from some place else, somebody brought you.

You know, Ken Salazar he’s -- he’s of Mexican-American descent, but he points out that his family’s been living where he lives for 400 years, so he didn’t -- he didn’t immigrate anywhere. The Irish who left behind a land of famine; the Germans who fled persecution; the Scandinavians who arrived eager to pioneer out west; the Polish, the Russians, the Italians, the Chinese, the Japanese, the West Indians -- the huddled masses who came through Ellis Island on one coast and Angel Island on the other.

All those folks before they were us, they were them. And when each new wave of immigrants arrived, they faced resistance from those who were already here. They faced hardship. They faced racism. They faced ridicule. But over time, they went about their daily lives. They earned a living as they raised a family, as they built a community, as their kids went to school here. They did their part to build the nation. They were the Einsteins and the Carnegies, but they were also the millions of women and men whose names history may not remember, but whose actions helped make us who we are, who built this country hand by hand, brick by brick.

They all came here knowing that what makes somebody an American is not just blood or birth, but allegiance to our founding principles and the faith in the idea that anyone from anywhere can write the next great chapter of our story, and that’s still true today.

Set aside all the legalistic mumbo jumbo. Set aside all the talk about economics and wonky policy jabber. We must—and we will—do immigration reform because that's who we are. Our openness to the world is what makes America work. And the fact that millions of people desperately want to become citizens of our nation is something that should make every American proud.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  You mean elections might matter after all? (9+ / 0-)

    Huh.

    That's not even "gun control". It's more like "massacre control".

    by Inland on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:02:01 PM PST

    •  It's very important that Obama and the Democrats (7+ / 0-)

      don't give in to Marco Rubio and give the Republicans a way to prevent any of the immigrants from being US citizens because the borders aren't perfectly controlled in the opinions of Marco Rubio, Jan Brewer or Rick Perry.

      •  It's galling, because "the border" isn't the key (0+ / 0-)

        to controlling immigration.  In the past, we had "border control", meaning that once someone got five miles past it, he was home free.  

        Then during Bush, they would appear at one workplace at one shift and arrest a few people.  Every other shift and all the employers in the area would lay low for a few days.  Then it was back to business as usual.

        Obama, like it or not, has been the most aggressive enforcer of immigration laws, with the decent exception of the dream stay.   His people check for docs on everyone employed and scare the shit out of all the employers in the area.  

        That's not even "gun control". It's more like "massacre control".

        by Inland on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:18:48 PM PST

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        •  That is EXACTLY the Problem! (0+ / 0-)

          Obama's reverting to form -- endless Jonesing for his idiotic "bi-partisanship" which never accomplishes anything.

          ANY Bill that clears the Republican House will be totally worthless. The ONLY way to get meaningful immigration reform is to seize the debate and define the parameters of an acceptable bill.

          1. It must have a clear, simple path to citizenship, not a minefield.

          2. It must avoid hidden traps -- like "the most racist governors in America like Jan Brewer must first declare "the border is secure" before 1 immigrant gets citizenship -- i.e. NEVER!

          The GOP is desperately trying to get a bill they can call "immigration reform" while simultaneously appeasing their racist base who are fanatically opposed to "amnesty" -- by ensuring that the "reform" doesn't allow ANY "illegals" to get "amnesty".

          Their goal: reform that is not reform, and a bill that sounds good and accomplishes nothing except strengthening "border security" (the part their Tea-Party base approves).

          Obama just bought into this total charade by letting the Congress take the lead on this issue!

  •  Excellent! (8+ / 0-)

    Well done Mr. President

    Follow PA Keystone Liberals on Twitter: @KeystoneLibs

    by wishingwell on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:14:33 PM PST

  •  Many of the current immigrants (7+ / 0-)

    Are not immigrants at all, they've lived here for a long time. Just happens someone came along and drew a line in the sand through the middle of their ancestral territories, and told them to stay of one side of the make-believe line.

    "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

    by US Blues on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:14:59 PM PST

  •  When's he gonna come to California? (1+ / 0-)
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    indres

    How about a big speech in a big stadium like it was election season?

    "Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth." — Chris Hedges

    by Crider on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:15:38 PM PST

  •  So--no specifics, then? (2+ / 0-)
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    Nothing like, "I approve the Senate proposal, but I'd like to add a little more X and subtract some Y, and I want to make sure Z doesn't get amended out?"

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:20:29 PM PST

    •  They are waiting on it (5+ / 0-)

      Apparently, the WH met with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus last week, and said they have been developing their own bill, and were wondering if they should release it. The CHC said no, let us see if the Senate proposal gains traction.

      But the feeling is the WH will release their own bill if they feel the Senate proposal goes off track or doesnt result in actual legislation.

      •  When they screw immigrants. (0+ / 0-)

        Of course.

        Republicans are never going to agree to citizenship for their blood enemies.

        "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

        by bontemps2012 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:53:33 PM PST

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    •  Yes - It would have been strategically helpful... (2+ / 0-)
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      bmcphail, HeyMikey

      ...for the President to help shape the debate right now, rather than waiting until all the Senatorial and Congressional hearts are hardened (well, more than they are already).

      At least the President made clear that he'll be a-watchin'...

      •  They are already blackened carraway seeds (1+ / 0-)
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        HeyMikey

        how much harder do we want?   :-)

        We are the principled ones, remember? We don't get to use the black hats' tricks even when it would benefit us. Political Compass: -6.88, -6.41

        by bmcphail on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:40:26 PM PST

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      •  Disagree (4+ / 0-)
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        mdmslle, ivorybill, HeyMikey, askew

        I think the better strategy is to avoid too many specifics at this particular moment.

        The congressional Democrats will obviously know what he wants, regardless of whether he makes public pronouncements. And if he endorses anything specific right now, that will probably just encourage a backlash.  He's right to let Congress take the lead and then, if they don't come up with something decent, he can swoop in later.

    •  This is one hell of a lot better than we would (4+ / 0-)
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      have gotten from a speech a few months ago. None of this bipartisan bullshit about how we must bring the loons along by accepting merit in their bigoted policies. He's talking American(progressive) values to the country and daring the GOP to show their true colors. I'm quite happy with this new guy as far as speeches go.

    •  He did say that he doesn't want the requirement (4+ / 0-)
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      that the law require that borders be controlled to the Republican's satisfaction. He said we need clarity in the law.
      He also said that if the Congress can't agree on something he will submit his own bill and push hard for an up or down vote.
      Very impressive.

  •  Obama (9+ / 0-)

    is, simply, the greatest president in my lifetime. History will recognize it too.

  •  at the end of the day, it's a farce to maintain a (1+ / 0-)
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    fwcetus

    2 track immigration system...one legal, allotting a set number of visas per country, and one illegal, absent any caps.

    Either we have a controlled immigration system, or we simply throw open the doors and all bets are off.  Which do you prefer?

    If 11 million line cutters are to be admitted and legalized, so be it.  But those immigrants should be enumerated by country of origin, and their numbers should be counted against the backlog of legal would be immigrants seeking visas from their home countries.

    You cannot maintain a bifurcated system that tells one group of people "you must file your ppwk and wait in line", while at the same time allowing millions of people to simply circumvent that process and get amnestied every so often.

    If the process only counts for people who choose to abide by it, and process doesn't count for those who don't, what kind of a system is that?

    Can a country...any country...make a conscious choice as to who gains entry and who does not?  That is a fundamental question.  If your answer to it is no, then you essentially don't believe in the concept of a nation state, or national sovereignty.

    I am not a frequent foreign traveller, but I have travelled to Central and South America in my years.  In every single country I have visited, there was an occasion during my travels there when I was approached by a policeman and asked to show my passport and visa.  Was I "profiled?"  Probably.  Did I take umbrage?  No, I did not.  I was a guest there, and as such I understood that I must abide by their rules.

    Why is this such a hard thing to wrap one's head around?

    Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

    by Keith930 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:23:04 PM PST

    •  Punishing the Innocent? (1+ / 0-)
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      uciguy30

      "If 11 million line cutters are to be admitted and legalized, so be it.  But those immigrants should be enumerated by country of origin, and their numbers should be counted against the backlog of legal would be immigrants seeking visas from their home countries."

      However, this would seem to be very unfair to those who are already waiting in line (or about to start waiting in line), to make them wait so much longer because some from their country "cut in line" ahead of them.  Doing so would seem to be punishing the innocent.

    •  Stop the right-wing framing, Keith. (0+ / 0-)

      No one is rewarding "line cutters" here. Undocumented workers would have to learn English, pay back taxes, and go to the back of the line to get a green card before even being allowed to apply for citizenship. What's with the hostility toward immigrants? Chill out, Keith.

      •  There Not "Going To The Back Of The Line" (0+ / 0-)

        Because the 'back of the line' isn't in the U.S., it's in the illegal immigrant's country of origin.

        This whole notion that illegal immigrants are going to 'the back of the line' is a bunch of horse shit.

        As to learning English, who's going to pay for this, and what if they can't learn English what are you going to do, deport them?

        Lastly, as to 'paying back taxes'. Exactly how do you propose we force an illegal immigrant who has been using a fake or stolen Social Security number to 'pay back taxes'. How do you propose proving how much they owe in taxes to begin with, and for that matter how do you propose even proving their identity?

        Again, the whole 'Learn English, pay back taxes, go to the back of the line' is nothing but a pile of steaming horse shit.

        I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

        by superscalar on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 05:03:31 PM PST

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        •  So what do we do, superscalar? (0+ / 0-)

          I'm open to your proposal, if you have one. Otherwise, you're the one who's full of shit.

          •  Just So I Understand Exactly What You're Saying (0+ / 0-)

            This is Senator Charles Schumer on Meet the Press 11/11/12 from this

            Senator Charles Schumer Meet The Press 11/11/12

            David Gregory:

            Let me turn to lessons from this election and where we go beyond this negotiation over the fiscal matters, Senator Schumer, immigration, are we going to get comprehensive immigration reform it sounds like, if you listen to the House Speaker, they have a change of heart, they want a comprehensive plan.

            Senator Charles Schumer:

            Yeah, I think so, Senator Graham and I have, uuuh, talked, and we are resuming, uuuh, the talks that were broken off two years ago. We have put together a comprehensive detailed, uuuh, blueprint on immigration reform it had the real potential for bipartisan support based on the theory that most Americans are for legal immigration but very much against illegal immigration.

            Our plan, just to be quick does four things, first of all

            1.) Close the border, make sure that's shut

            Second, make sure that there is a

            2.) Non-forgeable document so that employers so that employers can tell who is legal and who is illegal and once they, uuuh, hire somebody illegally throw the book at 'em.

            Third, on, on, legal immigrate…, that'll stop illegal immigration in its tracks. Third, on legal immigration

            3.) Let in the people we need, whether they be engineers, uuuh, from our universities, foreign, or people to pick the crops

            And forth

            4.) A path to citizenship, that's fair [ed: important to remember here that the current family based system is 'unfair' ], which says you have to learn english, you have to go to the back of the line, you gotta' have a job, and, you can't, uuuh, commit crimes.

            Graham and I are talking to our colleagues about this, right now, and I think we have a darn good chance using this blueprint to get something done this year. The Republican Party has learned, that being anti-illegal imm … anti-immigrant, uuuh, doesn't work politically and they know it.

            You are associating yourself with Senator Schumer, Senator Graham, the gang of six, etc. and their plan (which is for all intents and purposes the President's plan). You believe this is a good plan, and if I say I don't have a better plan, in fact if I were to state that I don't believe the U.S. family immigration system is fundamentally 'broken', like all the 'serious people' do, I'm 'full of shit'.

            Is that your contention?

            I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

            by superscalar on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 08:58:15 PM PST

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    •  FAIL (2+ / 0-)
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      ivorybill, uciguy30
      while at the same time allowing millions of people to simply circumvent that process and get amnestied every so often.
      This is not going to be an on going situation. As if in 20 years, someone who slides across the border from Mexico will automatcally get a "pathway to citizenship"

      And as for your assertion that we cannot have a bifurcated system, go talk to the cubans who make a dash for sand in miami or biscayne bay knowing if their feet touch US soil, they're in.

      Go talk to haitians who were systematically stopped because...AIDS!

      We already have a bifurcated system, guy.

      •  You must have been born after Reagan's term (0+ / 0-)

        and I don't condone the Cuban and Haitian immigration situation, either.  

        In a perfect world, we would allow a set number of regular visas from every country, based upon the already long standing criterion...and then conduct a lottery allowing a much smaller number of people who would not otherwise qualify for a visa to immigrate.

        That way, we could maintain the same level of "normal" immigration, and spread the number of admissions to poor people who are seeking a better life amongst a much wider number of countries and cultures.

        The end result would be roughly the same number of immigrants, if you could truly control the borders, but a much more diverse group of immigrants.

        Can anyone see anything wrong with that?

        Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

        by Keith930 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 04:08:48 PM PST

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      •  your statement could have been Reagan admin boiler (0+ / 0-)

        plate...ohhh, about 25 years ago.

        Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

        by Keith930 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 04:10:34 PM PST

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      •  There Have Been Seven Amnesties Since 1986 (0+ / 0-)

        "As if in 20 years, someone who slides across the border from Mexico will automatcally get a "pathway to citizenship"

        And it has been 36 years now since the last amnesty and that is exactly what is being proposed today, so why is it so far fetched that will happen again in another twenty years?

        I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

        by superscalar on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 05:05:55 PM PST

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  •  Love this approach. (2+ / 0-)
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    This is exactly the kind of change I voted for.

    The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

    by Words In Action on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:26:09 PM PST

  •  And he has the SOTU on Tues Feb 12th (4+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, ivorybill, zizi, askew

    So two weeks from tonight.  He'll have 25M people watching him for 40 minutes again where he can make his case and also get into more specifics as the SOTU usually calls for some wonky stuff.  

    "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness" -Annie Savoy (Bull Durham)

    by Jacoby Jonze on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:32:24 PM PST

  •  Boy (2+ / 0-)
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    jec, askew

    Tough crowd.

    •  Ain't that the truth. Since his reelection the (1+ / 0-)
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      proudmomoftwo

      President has forcefully used the bully pulpit to push for gun control, delivered a truly liberal speech on inauguration and told the country that these are our values, urged the citizenry to push for these values in congress and now tells the country that immigrants are US not THEM as the GOP would have it. The guy is soaring in my book with his rhetoric thus far this term. Can he turn it into action? Not by himself he can't.

  •  Amnesty = Forgiveness (1+ / 0-)
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    bontemps2012

    How do we effectively absorb 10-11 million into our nation of freedom so they may come out of the shadows and be productive and prosperous citizens.

    Pres. Reagan chose the best possible path for 3 million people in 1986 with the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 by providing forgiveness in the form of a governmental pardon known as amnesty.

    I respect what my Christian heritage taught me about forgiveness:

    "For if you forgive others their trespasses,
    your heavenly Father will also forgive you."
    ~Matthew 6:14

    It is now time for forgiveness, not a "tough but fair path to citizenship".  

    TOUGH and FAIR are not the same thing!

    *Austerity is the opposite of Prosperity*

    by josmndsn on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:42:46 PM PST

    •  Those 9 or 10 million are already absorbed. They (0+ / 0-)

      have been living here for years.
      They have millions of children that were born here and many have spouses that are US citizens.
      Citizenship won't come quickly, but if they behave themselves and pay their back taxes and stay out of trouble they will eventually become citizens, not 2nd class citizens like the Republicans want.

  •  Apparently Toby Ziegler and Sam Seaborn... (3+ / 0-)
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    are in charge of writing the speeches in the second term. Can't wait for the SOTU.

  •  "Most of us used to be them" (8+ / 0-)

    Beautiful phrase.  Ties us all together and let's us be proud of who we are and where we came from.

    •  I was in tears by that time. So great to see him (1+ / 0-)
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      ivorybill

      tell it like it is, damn the orange torpedoes!

    •  Yup, I LOVE that line (1+ / 0-)
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      ivorybill

      It allows us to go straight at the xenophobes on the right.

    •  Michelle Obama once said (2+ / 0-)
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      immigradvocate, MKSinSA

      that she finally felt proud to be an American.  She got criticized for that too.  But when I hear a speech like this, when the President speaks so eloquently about breaking down those barriers between "us" and "them", and when I think about an America that is not divided on race or ethnicity or any of those other ways we always find to divide ourselves, yea, I start to feel a little pride in who we are.  Our strength and the one thing that truly sets us apart is that we are the one nation on earth that looks more and more like all the people on earth.  That's a damn powerful thing.  

      Progress on LGBT civil rights... and now progress on immigration reform.  If this happens, people won't be talking about Obama as the "Democrat's Reagan", they'll be talking about him as our Lincoln.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:18:02 PM PST

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  •  How does increasing immigration during a recession (0+ / 0-)

    create jobs and increase wages?

    I've seen a number of fact sheets and talking points that claim it will, but none have any data to back them up.

    There are already over 6 million unemployed people in the US today.  How does adding to that number help?

    How does a larger pool of unemployed workers translate into higher wages?  In this economy, it doesn't.

    I'm sorry, but I don't see much benefit to this program in the short term.

    Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

    by Betty Pinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:15:32 PM PST

    •  It's not increasing immigration. (1+ / 0-)
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      It's about people who are already here. illegal immigrants.  

      That's not even "gun control". It's more like "massacre control".

      by Inland on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:23:58 PM PST

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      •  They're proposing an increase in H1-B workers (0+ / 0-)

        The bipartisan proposal includes allowing all foreign students receiving hi-tech (STEM) degrees from US universities to be automatically granted green cards.  There are also proposals to double the number of immigrants allowed H1-B visas.

        That's flooding an already depressed labor market in hi tech, IT jobs with cheap labor.

        Those are the ones made public so far, there are probably many other provisions yet to be included that will severely weaken the labor market for IT and highly skilled workers.

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:31:14 PM PST

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        •  Yeah, that's true, at least in the hype (0+ / 0-)

          it's to keep all those highly educated people from returning to their countries, and I also think that equating educated foreigners with start ups is wrong too.  There's a certain self selection in all immigrants, but some guys just want a nine to five.

          That's not even "gun control". It's more like "massacre control".

          by Inland on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:39:16 PM PST

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          •  What about the highly educated unemployed (0+ / 0-)

            and underemployed Americans?  

            Why would we be trying to keep more highly skilled workers in the US when we can't keep the ones we have employed?

            Sounds like a plan to drive down wages in that job market.

            Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

            by Betty Pinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:42:08 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  What Is The Difference Between (0+ / 0-)

              Exporting jobs to cheaper labor and importing cheaper labor to jobs?

              I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

              by superscalar on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 05:08:33 PM PST

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              •  Agree, two wrongs don't make a right (0+ / 0-)

                We're sucking the marrow out of our country when we fail to employ the best and brightest of our own workforce.

                Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

                by Betty Pinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:52:11 PM PST

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    •  Where does he talk about increasing immigration? (0+ / 0-)

      Unless you believe we must be deporting those that have already immigrated then I don't understand your comment.

    •  Aren't they just as worthy to have a job and hope (1+ / 0-)
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      immigradvocate

      for a decent life as an American citizen is?

      It is the moral thing to do.  Sure it will make some difference in the employment situation.  As the new citizens are recognized, they will have the documents that they lack now to move up in our society and they will eventually take better jobs and perhaps replace other American citizens in areas of employment.  However, this is already happening.  All undocumented workers are not necessarily unskilled, low pay workers.  There are more than some who have managed to filter into all areas of work, especially in the border states.

      However, we can not deport them...it's not right.  They have families here...it's not right.  Their children are citizens...so it's not right.

      It is the moral thing to do and we just have to accommodate that, even if jobs are replaced and move on.

      The best approach is to get Congress to work hard to provide good jobs for all, even those brand new citizens.

      •  Not referring to people here already (0+ / 0-)

        The bipartisan bill and talking points for immigration reform include provisions that will increase the number of immigrants seeking jobs in the US.

        As for immigrants already here, those who aren't working will be officially added to the unemployment rolls.  Fair enough, but we obviously need much more aggressive job creation to handle all those currently unemployed.

        As always, job creation and economic stimulus seems to be a non-starter.  With 6 million Americans out of work, a growing wage gap and a disappearing middle class, one would expect this problem be addressed.

        Yet no one in DC talks of economic stimulus or job creation these days.  The topic seems to be verboten.

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:40:28 PM PST

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    •  First of all, we haven't been in a recession for (2+ / 0-)
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      years.
      Second, those new employed will create lots of jobs, according to economists.
      They will buy houses and cars and shop and work.
      They will pay into the system for our retirement.
      Right now there aren't enough workers pating into the retirement system.

      •  Over 6 million Americans are unemployed (0+ / 0-)

        We've been in a recession since mid-2008, fell off the cliff in January 2009.

        We still haven't recovered.  At the current rate of recovery, we won't get back to 2008 job levels until 2020.

        So, yes, adding more unemployed workers to  the mix will make the recession last years longer.  

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 04:27:31 PM PST

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      •  We've been in a recession since 2007 (0+ / 0-)

        and people who are unemployed can't buy cars, or shop. They also are unable to pay into retirement, unfortunately.

        We need a faster economic recover and job creation to full employment status before we consider bringing in more unemployed people.

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 04:29:33 PM PST

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