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The more I hear about these 2nd amendment defenders, the more suspicious I become of them.  If you are paranoid and delusional enough that you think your country is gunning for you and your guns, you probably have a mental illness i.e. you should not have a gun.

If you have to prove to others that you have 2nd amendment rights by carrying an AR 15 into a JC Penney's you are insecure and probably should not have a gun.

And for goodness sake...... If you do not have a decent holster to secure your weapon in, leave it at home.  The number of yahoos shooting off their penises, butts and injuring others because they are securing their weapon in their sweat pants waistband or pants pocket is incredible

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  •  But what if there is some government tyranny (9+ / 0-)

    going on in the JC Penney's ?
    Did you ever think of that ?

    People must keep up their guard 24/7
    cause you never never know where
    the Feds will strike a blow against
    good honest god fearing low prices .

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 05:44:12 PM PST

  •  Keep your guns, keep them away from me. (9+ / 0-)

    Has become the only thing I will say to a RkBRer.  I have been around every one of their convoluted circles they call logic.  Not going on that ride any more.

    My gun control petition was shot down.

    by 88kathy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 05:47:15 PM PST

    •  Who made you the "deciderer in chief"? (3+ / 0-)
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      notrouble, annecros, Kickemout

      This reminds me of the GWB days - he got to decide which rights could or could not be infringed upon or ignored, except, thank the goddesses, you don't have the power he did.

      If you feel so strongly about it, put that energy to work to amend or get rid of the 2nd amendment - don't waste your breath (or keystrokes in this case) telling me or anyone else that exercises our 2nd amendment rights what to do.

      •  keep spinning that rope, kid. (7+ / 0-)

        Cause fewer and fewer people have any doubt that you are exactly what many of us have long since concluded...the sort of folks who should not be allowed near a water pistol, let alone automatic rifles or handguns.

        We do not agree with your iterpretation of the 2nd ammendment of the US constitution....and fewer and fewer people do nor are willing to put up with it. You get on side and try to lead to a reasonable compromise, or your can hold out to the bitter end, in which case, your guns will be pulled from your hands. The universe does not revolve around your fucking guns.

        Scripture says "resist not evil", but evil unresisted will prevail.

        by Boreal Ecologist on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:18:44 PM PST

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        •  Thank you for such an thoughtful (0+ / 0-)

          and reasoned response. Seeing as how you know me better than me, I suppose I should heed your advice.

        •  "Fewer and fewer" (1+ / 0-)
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          I suppose since the 1950s, yes.  But gun ownership reached its nadir in 1993.  

          You may not agree with Kentucky's interpretation with the Second Amendment, and I agree that it would be worth while to explore some ideas.  But you've got an interesting idea of compromise.  Either get behind your preferred proposals or you'll pry people's guns from their hands?  You and who else?

          The proposals you're rallying stink of haplessness, the same sort that breeds contempt for the law.  Six years after the deadline passed to register "assault weapons" in California, the AG can account for barely half of the 300,000 estimated; they've since given up trying.  No wonder, even the ban S.150 is modeled after couldn't prevent compliant models and conversions coming forward.

          The whole point of attrition is that no one wants to ignite the powder keg of confiscuation.  Not with 300 million guns out there.  That's why Feinstein's long since acquiesced to grandfathering.  It's an admission by people on your side that there's no serious way you can disarm tens of millions of households without borrowing a shit ton of trouble.  Not simply from wannabe Randy Weavers, but from local and state politicals and LEOs.  What are you going to do with vast swaths of the country's law enforcement simply refuse to enforce the law?

          That's why Senator Feinstein and friends go for the retailers and wholesalers.  That's why they go for the buy backs and gun free zones.  You've got limited federal manpower to put on the job, so you need quick wins while you hope you can wait out the other side.  I have to hand it to you, it's a strategy.  

          We'll see how well it works.  It would work better if you had a unified front of local, state and federal law enforcement, but you don't.

        •  On the subject of water pistols and toy guns- (1+ / 0-)
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          Boreal Ecologist

          I don't own firearms anymore, I used to be a very avid competition target shooter though and have probably forgotten more about firearms than most will ever know.
          I lost my right to own them due to a felony conviction many years ago and being one not to want any more legal hassles, gave them up.
             Toy guns though? I own a few.
             I know even most gun advocates have no clue about such things but there is a class of guns that fall under the definition and categorization of toys, these being air, gas, spring and precharged pneumatic propelled rifles and pistols.
             They are perfectly legal for me, as a convicted felon to own, they have no federal regulations and in my state and probably most, anyone can own as many as they'd like- they are toys after all.
             You can thank the NRA for that, they fought hard to keep them categorized as such. A few years ago when CA attempted to force the manufacturers of these toys to have orange tips sold on new "toys", as is required on even a hot metallic pink water pistol, the NRA began a campaign targeting airgunners like myself to donate money to help them fight this proposal. A proposal to standardize toy regulations that have been in place for many many years in this country.
              Yes, the NRA stepped in on opposing toy gun regulation, you read that correctly.
              They succeeded and the proposed regulation was squashed.
              I am still a very avid target shooter, I have no interest in personal defense or home defense using my "toys", that was never my thing, I don't live my life in paranoia like the firearm crowd does.
              Now why is it the NRA would involve themselves in toy gun regulation you ask?  
              Toys come in every caliber that firearms do: .177 (the one most associate with air guns) ,22, .38, .357, .45, 9mm, .50, .58, and if you're really into it they go into really insane "big bore", into the .600+ range.
              What does all of this mean?
              That was a shot from nearly 450 feet.
              Look like a toy to you?
              Not a Red Rider, it'll put out more than an eye...
              But thanks to the NRA your child can legally purchase these 'toys' on the internets and most sporting goods stores.
              Just sayin'...

          Be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

          by teabaggerssuckbalz on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:40:26 AM PST

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      •  I decide what I will say and it's NOT about you. (4+ / 0-)

        Everything isn't about you.

        Oopsie I broke my own decider.

        My gun control petition was shot down.

        by 88kathy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:42:10 PM PST

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        •  Actually it is about me. (1+ / 0-)
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          You said to keep your (in this case my) guns away from you. I have, and do sometimes carry, a gun. Why do you think you have any right to tell me what I can, or cannot do?

          I didn't say that you couldn't decide what you want to say or not say - I would never do that. I respect everyone's right to their own opinion. Unless that opinion is attempting to tell me what I can or cannot do, which in this case is something I do 100% legally, yet you try to say that I can't.

          •  tell you what. (0+ / 0-)

            I don't believe there are actual responsible gun owners, ever since I was shot at walking home from school for being a kid who was smart and non-conformist, by the children of those "responsible" gun owners.  I demanded to pres charges for felony assault with a deadly weapon.  The rich parents got the Prosecutor to drop the charges because I wasn't actually hit.

            THAT to me is how 'responsible' gun owners actually are -- willing to let someone just a little different be used as skeet because I don't come from a family with a 6 or 7 figure salary.  

            To me, ANYONE who thinks they need a gun who isn't a police officer, soldier, or Indiana Jones style adventurer (and that last one is fictional) is dangerously deluded.

            We have no desire to offend you -- unless you are a twit!

            by ScrewySquirrel on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 11:02:39 PM PST

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  •  SYG: Maybe you can't just kill people (3+ / 0-)
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    A concerned homeowner saw a car pull into his driveway, so he killed the driver and kidnapped the passengers. The police actually didn't see it the way the NRA dude did, and arrested him, thank God. We'll see what happens next.

    “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

    by jeff in nyc on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:27:22 PM PST

    •  OF COURSE syg wasn't about just killing people. (0+ / 0-)

      "Stand Your Ground" isn't even an accurate description.

      Right from the start, the term itself was half of a straw-man. And the hyperbole that got loaded on made the whole thing entirely NOT what the law was about.

      The law is more accurately described as "Not a mandate to retreat".

      As in, if someone starts shooting at people (including me) randomly while I happen to be walking across the corner store parking lot, I am not required to attempt to retreat across a wide open space with zero cover before drawing on the guy.

      Before the so-called SYG law, a mandatory retreat means a prosecutor must be convinced that I actually tried to retreat as required by law. Of course, running across a wide open space without anything between you and a shooter is a good way to give that shooter some marksmanship practice.

      When the trayvon event happened, the media was so sensational about it, and much misinformation was spread far and wide. "If it bleeds, it leads" is NOT the hallmark of accurate objective news reporting and a sure way to pull more eyeballs is to re-phrase the facts into a manner that is emotionally charged.

      Thus we get the straw man of SYG rather than the accurate man of "No duty to retreat". And of course, just like the republican framing of the phrase "tax relief" even sank into democrat terminology, so as well the terrible phrase "Stand your ground" has sunk into the terminology of even those who should damn well know better.

      It's safe to trust a sane person with the keys to nuclear weapons, but it's not safe to trust an insane person with the cleaners under the kitchen sink. The answer is not more gun control, it's people care.

      by JayFromPA on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:27:14 PM PST

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  •  Beyond debate, I would hope. (0+ / 0-)

    There are two sides to a debate about whether citizens should have the option of standing on the roof of their stores holding off rioters with a Bushmaster-like weapon.

    Carrying one while shopping for drapes is disturbing the peace at the very least.

    There are two sides to a debate about private citizens carrying concealed weapons. There should be only one side to a discussion about minimizing risk to bystanders.

  •  The good thing about the guys shooting off their (3+ / 0-)

    ... penises is that they can't reproduce.

  •  If you did think the government was after you, (1+ / 0-)
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    surely you wouldn't believe you could win?

    That's right. You're James Bond. LOL

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