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I am trying to figure out exactly where I stand with guns.  We own a gun, locked in a gun safe, bullets locked separately.  We own it to protect life stock. It was incredibly (scary) easy to obtain this gun.  It took us 30 minutes or less. We did not have to profess any knowledge of guns, shooting or safety.

The supreme court already settled that we have the right to own guns and I am not afraid that the government will take my gun.  I do not and will not ever belong to the NRA. They are inciters of fear for personal gain. I happen to believe that "we the people" i.e us the government will not take our guns.

I would like better gun control, longer waiting periods, better mental health and criminal checks, mandatory education.  I understand that it will cut into someone's rights.  On the other hand the right to life is more important than someone's hobby.

Mental illness is common and needs treatment. Calling someone names because they have mental health issues drives the ones' in need of help underground. Unfortunately, mental illness is often associated with poverty and medical care provided by the government. Cutting these programs will cause more problems.

I think semi automatic weapons are meant to kill quickly and lots of people.  I do believe that a ban on these weapons is appropriate.  Maybe if you are a part of a "WELL REGULATED MILITIA"  with monthly meetings, mental health checks, training etc these weapons might be okay.

These thought will not make my liberal nor my conservative friends happy ...  so maybe I am on the right track.

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  •  Not sure why you think this would make any (10+ / 0-)

    liberal friends unhappy.  Seems pretty reasonable to me.

  •  Two diaries 5 minutes apart with a lot (2+ / 0-)
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    pollbuster, Kentucky Kid

    of the same sentiments?  Seems like you could have combined them.

    "Maybe we should march on the campus of the electoral college and occupy it until they change their vote"--some wingnut, Worldnetdaily

    by chicago minx on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 05:56:08 PM PST

  •  Yea, there is noithing like a well regulated (1+ / 0-)
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    militia that meets once a month to put ones mind at ease.

    Anyone still thinking that wanting to own a gun is normal? Wanting to own a gun is an immediate indicator that you should be the last person to have one.

    by pollbuster on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 05:58:06 PM PST

  •  All sounds fine to me, except (3+ / 0-)

    I hope you actually have some knowledge on guns, shooting, and safety or plan on getting some.

    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

    by slothlax on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:19:43 PM PST

  •  You're thoughtful. (2+ / 0-)
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    slothlax, Andrew F Cockburn

    That will please everyone worth pleasing.

  •  I'm curious (4+ / 0-)

    Ever had any sort of instruction?

    Like been in the army or taken a hunter safety course?

    Don't know how long you've been roping cattle but I think it's called livestock.

    I'm serious about getting a little education though. Not something to fool with.

    How big is your personal carbon footprint?

    by ban nock on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:47:26 PM PST

  •  life stock => live stock n/t (0+ / 0-)

    The only trouble with retirement is...I never get a day off!

    by Mr Robert on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:01:23 PM PST

  •  Disagree w/this, actually... (2+ / 0-)
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    I do believe that a ban on these weapons [semi automatic] is appropriate.

    There are perfectly good  reasons for semi-automatic rifles and shotguns to exist. For example, some hunters with disabilities can handle a rifle just fine, but can't manage a bolt-action rifle (or pump-action shotgun).

    What I CANNOT figure out is why on God's green earth there is ANY need for a detachable magazine.for civilian use; I don't care if it's 3 rounds or 30 rounds, what on earth is the NEED?

    So I would treat semi-auto detachable magazine guns exactly the way we handle full-auto guns today; available to serious collectors with serious licensing requirements.

    Semi-auto fixed/internal magazine guns available just like today, with a 5-10 round limit.

    What's wrong with that?

    •  Alot... (1+ / 0-)
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      Guns with internal box magazines are only marginally slower to reload, it prevents leveraging existing designs.  

      The question of need is the wrong one.  Do you drive a car?  Do you need a car more modern than a Trabant?

      Under capitalism man exploits man, under communism the roles are reversed.

      by DavidMS on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:44:37 PM PST

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      •  Modern cars are safer for society (1+ / 0-)
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        are modern guns?

        •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

          They have improved safeties, they are far less likely to go off if accidentally dropped, a lot of them have full chamber indicators, they have improved finishes and parts made of polymer or titanium (i.e., are less prone to rust/breaking and causing an accidental discharge or a failure to fire), and are designed with stronger barrels than guns of old so can handle higher pressures safely.

          Of course, some guns go farther than other in safety features, but so what? A Ferrarri's not as safe as a Honda Civic, but in the end, it's the operator who makes all the difference vis-a-vis safe and appropriate use.

          •  That makes them safer (2+ / 0-)
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            Oh Mary Oh, JayBat

            for the handler, not so much for the people around them when you factor in the difference in lethality between a muzzle-loader and a semi-automatic with a 100 round magazine.

            Modern guns may cut down on accidental casualties, but that's not really what has people worked up here, is it?

      •  David, are you listening to what you are saying? (1+ / 0-)
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        Mr Robert

        I swear, you RKBA guys are doing yourselves no favors by denying physical reality. It's bad enough when Lamar Alexander and Wayne LaPierre do it, we don't expect any better of them; but you're a Kossack, and we expect better.

        I spent many a chilly Fall morning in my youth carrying a .308 Remington 700. 5-shot internal magazine.  Loaded and unloaded that rifle many, many times. Got very, very few deer. :-)

        Bolt action, of course, but that's irrelevant to a discussion of detachable magazines.

        Much more recently, spent a morning with a friend and his Colt AR-15 (Sorry, dunno what model. Colt, 16" barrel, 5.56mm ammunition). After 10-15 minutes of prep/practice, I could empty a 30-round magazine, swap magazines, and empty another 30-round magazine in about 30 seconds, and keep everything in about a 1-ft radius. Obviously my friend is much more accurate and much faster.

        Even with warm fingers, I doubt I ever loaded 5 rounds in that .308 in much less than 10 seconds.

        There is simply no comparison in the potential kill rate between the two systems. I think you're being a little disingenuous.

        There is a reason that modern military service rifles have detachable magazines. It makes them better killing machines..

        •  Did you use chargers? (0+ / 0-)

          Little strips of metal that have been around since circa 1890 that are used to reload classic military rifles.  

          Out of practice I can stuff 5 cartridges into a Mosin Nagant in 8 seconds.  After a few tries I got it down to 4 seconds.  As fast as changing a magazine?  No.  Here is a video showing how it works:

          A Mosin Nagant can accurately fire about 10-12 rounds a minute.  A Mauser realistically fires about 15 rounds a minute.  

          Under capitalism man exploits man, under communism the roles are reversed.

          by DavidMS on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:38:56 PM PST

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  •  you sound sane and reasonable (0+ / 0-)

    so many people who profess fear that "they are going to take our guns"
    don't understand these reasonable views.
    If you have to take drivers ed, take a written and performance test, register with your town/city just to drive a car (to ensure responsible, trained people are using that instrument that can cause death).why should you not with a gun?
    Gun extremists answer "second amendment applies to guns) but not cars.

    As you point out "well regulated militia". WE are talking regulations. Just like a car.

    they can't argue further with any sort of logic, in my experience

    •  Another oddly applied car analogy (0+ / 0-)

      I don't know where you live, but I've never had to register with my city to drive a car and I've moved around a bit.

      US residents don't have to take a driver's ed course either: you just have to be able to answer the written questions and do all right on the driving test. Though if you do take driver's ed, you can skip one or both of the tests in some states.

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