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In 2012 we were finally able to wrest the Illinois 10th out of the hands of Republicans. Can we do even better in 2014?

During the 2012 primary last March we were faced with a choice between two serious candidates. First, we had an establishment candidate, only inches to the left of Robby Dold in Brad Schneider or the true progressive who was serious about championing our ideas and our philosophies in Ilya Sheyman. At the beginning of the primary season I was an adamant supporter of Mr. Sheyman. After decades of right-wing, conservative control it was refreshing to have a candidate who was running progressive values instead of trying to emulate the other guys. However, as the primary wore on, I bought into what the Schneider camp was selling, about Schneider being the only candidate who could beat Robby in the general election. I figured that it would be better to vote for the candidate I agreed with less in Schneider than risk losing to Robby again. So, when March 20 rolled around I voted for him and I feel vindicated after his triumph over Robby in November. But, that being said, I think we should aim a little higher in 2014.

Obviously it would be a little unusual to challenge an incumbent in a primary, but it's not unheard of. Now that we finally have freed ourselves from the yoke that was decades of Republican leadership, let's put in a real, progressive democrat. I have to say, part of me was a little disgusted when Schneider voted for the Republican PR bill. (No budget, no pay or whatever that trite piece of you-know-what was called) Congresswoman Schakowsky didn't vote for it because she knew exactly what it was: a transparent attempt for Republicans to look like they're trying to do anything except royally screw over poor people. Why on earth would Schneider help Republicans like that?

Now that the district is back in our hands and no Republican could possibly hope to win it back now that it leans so mightily in our favor, why don't we elect a real, ardent hardcore Democrat? Someone whose votes will more resemble Congresswoman Schakowsky than Robby Dold?

Does anyone have any updates on what Mr. Sheyman has been doing since the last election? I know he was named by Governor Quinn to some advisory board, but has anyone heard if he will be re-entering politics and would maybe consider running again?

Originally posted to ltp102 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:12 PM PST.

Also republished by Land of Lincoln Kos.


Would you vote against an incumbent in a primary in a safe Dem district?

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  •  Sheyman works for (4+ / 0-)
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    pistolSO, Nulwee, Lujane, randallt

    I've received several e-mails with Sheyman's name on it from that group.

    Personally, I hope Sheyman runs for Governor of Illinois, because Pat Quinn, Lisa Madigan, and Bill Daley are all lame.

    Friend of the Wisconsin Uprising from East Central Illinois! IL-15

    by DownstateDemocrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:19:31 PM PST

  •  my answer to your poll would be maybe (7+ / 0-)

    as it depends on the circumstances, and when the circumstances have been right, I've done it.  Here, though, I don't buy that it's a safe district.  This shows Schneider only beat Dold by about 3,300 votes out of 164,000 cast, or about 50.6% to 49.4%.  That tells me that if Sheyman had gone up against Dold, Dold would probably still be in congress.

    ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

    by James Allen on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:23:10 PM PST

    •  I think you might be right about this election (1+ / 0-)
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      But I would think the fact Dold was an incumbent helped him considerably. If there wasn't an incumbent, I think Sheyman would win. I think any other Republican would be so much less known than Dold was that it would be much safer. Plus, I think a more progressive Democrat would do better than Schneider did with the base, which is now much bigger after re-districting.
      But, you make some good points, I just was curious how other people felt on the matter! Thanks!

      •  the issue with 2014 (5+ / 0-)
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        FG, Adam B, Nulwee, Lujane, decisivemoment

        is that there will likely be lower Democratic turnout than in 2012, as there usually is during midterms.  But in 2016 it might be a good time for a primary challenge if you really want one.

        ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

        by James Allen on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:36:58 PM PST

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      •  Dold actually had teachers' unions' backing... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...which is quite rare for a Republican these days. If Schneider was more conservative than he is, then I would support a primary challenge to him.

        I'd love to see someone like Ilya Sheyman or Wanda Rohl (ran a bare-bones campaign against Adam Kinzinger in IL-16 in 2012 and got 40% or so of the vote) mount a primary challenge to Pat Quinn, as I'm not all that fond of Lisa Madigan (although I dislike Quinn even more).

        Friend of the Wisconsin Uprising from East Central Illinois! IL-15

        by DownstateDemocrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:43:06 PM PST

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  •  This not a safe Dem district. So your poll is (4+ / 0-)
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    pistolSO, Nulwee, decisivemoment, ebgill

    pointless in this case.

  •  You've got to be kidding (0+ / 0-)

    The premise of this post is completely off-base. IL-10 is far from a safe Democratic district. Schneider won by a small margin in a Presidential election year with none other than beloved Barack Obama at the top of the ticket. We have no idea what would happen in a mid-term.

    I would love a more liberal person in that post, but Ilya Sheyman is not the person to run. He still have a very thin record, having only worked for MoveOn and unsuccessfully run for congress. He fought against single payer health care reform (and then claimed he was for it all along to get votes surprisingly reminiscent of Mark Kirk's serial fibbing).  In a district with this many well educated professionals, I would hope we could do better than Ilya Sheyman.

    Dold will probably run again because lord knows he does not want to kill bugs for the rest of his life. He would clobber Sheyman if Sheyman could take Schneider out in the first place, which is rather doubtful given Sheyman's dismal performance in the primary. Sheyman was all hype. The 75+% poll was a joke by a bunch of people in groupthink mode. Despite all the ballyhoo, there was no visible ground campaign for Sheyman on election day. We had more John Tree supporters in the field. If you simply must run him again, perhaps you need to figure out what went wrong. Why did that  supposedly huge force of volunteers completely fall apart on election day? Hint: In the field on election day, a lot of people told me that they would have supported John Tree, but they felt they had to vote for Brad Schneider to stop Sheyman.

    Using my free speech while I still have it.

    by ebgill on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:40:21 AM PST

    •  I am certainly not kidding (0+ / 0-)

      With all due respect, I think I am entirely on base. The IL-10 should absolutely be a safe district for us and the fact that Schneider only eeked out a victory in a presidential year with President Obama at the top of the ticket is proof of just how marginal and unexciting Schneider was as a candidate. I would think most people on Daily Kos would know, but the re-mapped district made things considerably more favorably for us. It's a D+8. Any time you have such a large discrepancy in bases within a district, the seat should be safe. Wouldn't you agree? We start with an 8% advantage simply because our guy has a "D" next to his name on the ballot! I think Schneider would have performed better if he had made an effort to court our larger base instead of running to the center.

      If you don't think Sheyman is the man for the job, I certainly respect that. Personally, I was very impressed by him. I do think he was responsible for shifting the primary discourse to progressive values. I think the entire district owes him a, "thank you" for forcing Schneider to the left in the primary. (Only to have him move back right when he faced Robby, but I digress.) I did not mean that Sheyman was the only candidate I would be interested in seeing contest the Congressman next go around. He was merely an example of the more liberal type of politician I think we can elect in the new district. I've met Alderman Sam Cunningham at a few events in Waukegan and I've been very impressed with him. Sam Yingling would be interesting. Granted, he's a little conservative for my taste, but I think having an openly gay Congressman would be a tremendous example. My hopes were dashed when Representative Karen May chose not to run for the open seat last time as she would have been my choice.

      The point is, we slew the dragon in 2012. In 2014 let's really make a statement and use our decisive edge (D+8!) to elect a real progressive!

      •  Slew the Dragon or Got Lucky? (0+ / 0-)

        The number do not bear out your claim. It's wishful thinking. Schneider's dismal margin came from the Jewish areas of the district. While Sheyman was out winning a meaningless straw poll at Tenth Dems, Schneider was out at AIPAC taking in a bundle of cash, and a pretty nice synagogue word of mouth campaign. People were mad at him at the time for dissing the grassroots, but he was smart to do it. Money matters more at this point. Jewish geography mattered a whole lot more. Sorry, but it's true at this point. Wish it weren't even though I am Jewish.

        Remember, Dold has his choice, the bugs for the next 25 years or so, or us. Safe bet Dold will choose us unless the situation is hopeless, and it is far from hopeless for him. He still has his own little army out there, and a lot of money. As for the voting base, our district still has Lake Forest with its scorched earth capitalists, western Lake County where they voted for Phil Crane for decades, and the AIPAC crowd who put Schneider in,--but would have been just as happy with Dold if not given what they consider a good Democratic alternative.

        I did a little test on FB that bears out my claim. I have many many FB friends in the district who are local Democrats. I recently posted on my FB page the Israel loves Iran/Iran loves Israel anti-war pages. Not one single like, and my friends tend to be very liberal by comparison to the rest of the district. The residual Mark Kirk fostered Israel will be gone while you are brushing your teeth one morning fear is still a huge issue in IL-10.

        You cannot compare a state district race like Yingling's to a US Congressional District. There aren't enough people in state district to matter in a USCD race. Remember neither Susan Garrett or Karen May--who both had broad and often bi-partisan support, and AIPAC support, ever wanted to run, even when Kirk was out. They are smart women, and knew what they're doing.

        There was no dragon slaying on this last election. We got a little lucky in an Obama year, with a candidate I did not love, but who passed enough litmus tests out in the district so they could hold their nose and vote for him. The new district configuration helped (imagine how our clocks would have been cleaned without it), but with the margin so little, we have no margin for error in 2014.

        Schneider is not my favorite guy. I'm sure he'd be fine with warmongering in the Middle East. If you can find a wonderful, classy, experienced and funded candidate, I might reconsider. But Schneider did in fact win the seat when no one before him was able to do it. If we can keep Dold out once and for all, we'll have gone a long way to level the playing field in this district.

        My advice, pressure Schneider into voting better (and his votes and performance in hearings have not be bad so far). Let the dust around Dold settle down. Let Bob realize he needs to find a better alternative to the bugs than us, and settle into a nice toxic chemical lobbying job somewhere far far away. Keep working the district on the issues, and then you might convince me we can run a true liberal after we win this thing a couple more times. Then find me someone who has some real credentials, and can muster some real respect in the district at large, not just among a small group of well-known activists, and find someone who can get the money. IL-10 is one of the most expensive districts in which a candidate can run.

        Using my free speech while I still have it.

        by ebgill on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:16:07 PM PST

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