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Graphic showing parental leave policies around the world. The US has zero days while, for instance, Turkey has 112 days at 67% pay, Canada has 119 days at 55% pay, and India, Indonesia, and Mexico all have 84 days at 100% pay.
As Kaili Joy Gray wrote about this situation:
For a country that boasts of being No. 1!, we are actually at the bottom. The extent of our family leave policy is the pitiful and toothless Family Medical Leave Act, full of restrictions and conditions, which merely allows up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave. What that really means is that unless an employer has opted to provide paid leave for its employees, a family can only take advantage of the allotted 12 weeks if that family can afford to go without pay for three months. The reality is that FMLA is a privilege, not a right, for those who are wealthy enough to be able to use it.
What's more, 40 percent of the American workforce isn't even covered by the FMLA. And parental and other family leave isn't the only way the United States lags behind the rest of the world, as we'll see below the fold.

map showing which countries have paid sick leave; U.S. is one of very few that does not
Yes, paid sick leave, a policy that even most Democratic politicians won't touch, is the law in the vast majority of countries in the world. It's us, India, Syria, Chad, and a small handful of others making people choose between getting paid and staying home when they're sick.

We are so not Number 1!

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:32 PM PST.

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  •  But we're so exceptional nt (3+ / 0-)
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    citisven, Youffraita, enhydra lutris
  •  I would like to know... (5+ / 0-)

    who is financially responsible for the paid leave in all the other it the individual businesses or is it government funded the same way health care is. Expecting a business to provide months of pay for no work is a huge burden to say the least.

    The more you learn the less you know.

    by quiet in NC on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:40:57 PM PST

    •  Small business exemption? (0+ / 0-)

      And I have to imagine that many or probably most countries that have a parental leave policy have an exemption for small businesses.

      But either way, we spend our money on non-existent weapons of mass destruction and subsidizing high fructose corn syrup and Hummers.  Not parental leave.

    •  In Canada it is paid for via Employment Insurance (1+ / 0-)
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      quiet in NC

      A worker has to have worked a minimum number of insurable hours (and paid into the employment insurance program) before being eligible:

      The benefit is also available for self-employed people and some other classes of workers who normally don't participate in the EI program.  

      "Anyone can support me when they think I'm right. What I want is someone that will support me when I am wrong." Sir John A. MacDonald

      by Johnny Nucleo on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 04:57:42 PM PST

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      •  Adoptive parents - including gays - get E.I. (1+ / 0-)
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        "Usually, EI parental benefits can only be paid during the 52 weeks after the week the child is born or, in the case of adoption, during the 52 weeks after the week the child is placed with you."

        Maximum E.I. benefit - $501 per week (since premiums are capped on salaries over $47,400).

        Maximum annual E.I. premiums: Employee - $891. Employer - $1,248.

    •  It is a burden, but (4+ / 0-)

      the burden can be put into prices.  And since every business pays it, there is no competitive disadvantage in having to raise prices a bit.  

      As we saw with Papa John's pizza, the cost of these benefits is far less than what businesses often claim, especially for larger businesses.

      Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

      by nominalize on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:15:08 PM PST

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      •  Huh???? I know China doesn't deliver pizzas... (1+ / 0-)
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        but they do damn near everything else and we (US manufacturers) have to compete with them.  The world is bigger than pizza.  Family leave (and for that matter, health care) should be a taxpayer based benefit in order to keep US companies as competitive as possible.

        The more you learn the less you know.

        by quiet in NC on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:21:05 PM PST

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        •  Most countries mix the two (3+ / 0-)

          The benefit is part-paid by employers, part by taxes.  Of course, companies pay those, too.  

          All that said, China requires paid maternity leave, and they have no problems competing.  

          Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

          by nominalize on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:25:06 PM PST

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          •  Really??? You are going to say that?? Really?? (0+ / 0-)

            China pays an average of $3.21/hr for factory worker.  Yeah, they really compete.  

            The more you learn the less you know.

            by quiet in NC on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:45:12 PM PST

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            •  The point is, (5+ / 0-)

              parental leave doesn't ruin competitivity.  Besides, Canada manages well, and their wages are very comparable to ours.  Western Europe manages well, and their wages are very comparable to ours.  Japan manages well, and so forth.  

              Moreover, if a country like China, which has piss-poor labor treatment, can manage parental leave, what's our excuse.  And I say excuse because we don't have any reasons anymore, only excuses.  

              And let's not confuse 'competitivity' with 'cheap bosses'... that's precisely the attitude that fosters the income inequality that's gotten our economy to the lackluster state it is in today.

              Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

              by nominalize on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 11:09:00 PM PST

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      •  These same businesses do business in countries (4+ / 0-)

        that have paid family leave and live with it while fighting
        ferociously to make sure that Americans don't get it.


        The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

        by helfenburg on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 04:28:46 AM PST

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  •  pretty stunning (0+ / 0-)

    Vietnam grants 6 months of leave at 100% of pay. In Canada, parents can split a year of leave at 55% of their salaries. Estonia, Hungary, Germany, and Spain guarantee 3 years of unpaid leave, meaning you can get your job back even after having been at home with your newborn for 3 years. Here's a good overview.

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    by citisven on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:46:55 PM PST

    •  I worked (1+ / 0-)
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      for a Spanish company in the states. They are very generous with PTO. Not as god if you're a Spaniard, but WAAAAAY better than competition.  

      The child of an NRA gun nut slaughtered the children.

      by plok on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:48:25 PM PST

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    •  Don't forget Cuba! (0+ / 0-)

      18 months paid by the state. Fathers are eligible, too. (source)

      USA, USA!!

      “Make it a rule of life never to regret and never to look back. Regret is an appalling waste of energy; you can't build on it; it's only for wallowing in.” — Katherine Mansfield

      by Simolean on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:19:41 AM PST

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  •  California has a remedy (0+ / 0-)

    Some years ago the CA legislature added maternity leave to those conditions where mothers qualify for short term disability payments, starting four weeks before the birth and 6-8 weeks after. I am surprised more states haven't followed this practice.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:49:54 PM PST

    •  The easy answer (0+ / 0-)

      More states haven't followed California because (rolls dice) Communism!

      Real answer: it reduces profits. As long as everyone else does it, no company is at a disadvantage for screwing its workers (except for the hidden—but very real—cost of reduced productivity due to exhaustion or stress of the employee).

      “Make it a rule of life never to regret and never to look back. Regret is an appalling waste of energy; you can't build on it; it's only for wallowing in.” — Katherine Mansfield

      by Simolean on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:05:11 AM PST

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  •  The company I work for (2+ / 0-)
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    reflectionsv37, Bisbonian

    gives us full-time employees a nominal amount of slightly-paid sick leave (I think it's about forty hours per year, at about 60 percent of pay).

    Better than nothing -- but not much better.

    Oh, and when they hire you?  They tell you outright that if you are caught trying to unionize the shop, you WILL be fired.

    Which I always thought was illegal.

    Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

    by Youffraita on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:58:08 PM PST

  •  We're Number One! Or the case may be. (0+ / 0-)

    USA! USA! USA!

    "We refuse to fight in a war started by men who refused to fight in a war." -freewayblogger

    by Bisbonian on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 02:40:04 PM PST

  •  Asdf (3+ / 0-)
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    Kinda makes one proud to be an American...........NOT.

    Sadly, everything Communism said about itself was a lie. Even more sadly,, everything Communism said about Capitalism was the truth.

    by GayIthacan on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:55:22 PM PST

  •  Parental leave is the wrong fight (2+ / 0-)
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    shaso, ZenTrainer

    Choosing the have kids is a lifestyle issue and like any choice it involves trade offs.  It's too bad that people don't realize until they have children that kids take a lot of time money and energy and I don't see why anyone else should have to pay for the mistakes made by people that had a child before they were ready to make compromises in their life.

    Perhaps more time off should be allowed for everyone not just people that choose to add to the worlds over population.

    •  I don't have kids, and I don't want any (16+ / 0-)

      and I strongly support parental leave. Not only is it good business (see that recent article about Google where they found that longer paid maternity leave helped them retain key female employees) it is also a basic component of a civilized society. And because women bear a disproportionate amount of responsibility for children, and bear all the physical risk of childbirth, without paid family leave women are left at a huge disadvantage in the workplace.

      •  it doesn't lead to a civilized workplace (1+ / 0-)
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        My first job out of college was in a lab that had  extremely childfreindly policies, evry work schedule was adjusted for school events and carpool schedules.  Anything that needed to be done on a holiday or weekend was almost always given to a child free lab worker, in the end it created a two tier system where the employees that did most of the work managed to advance and find some value in their jobs, where most the parents just got resentful and incompetent.  family leave creates an unequal system and in the end does not benefit anyone.

        More leave for everyone would be good, more leave for parents just adds to inequality.

        •  Funny, I don't resent parents (7+ / 0-)

          as much as you do.

          In any case, being a woman is not a lifestyle choice.
          Women are the ones who give birth. And in our still-very-sexist society, we still handle the majority of child care, particularly in the early years. Without family leave women are at a massive disadvantage that becomes more severe every year of a woman's working life.

          Even with leave, women are still at some disadvantage - as you note in your comment, the child-free workers  "advance." That's what seems to have happened for me. My career is further along than most other women my age in the office because I haven't had kids.

        •  Sounds like you just (1+ / 0-)
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          described a system where non parents benefit. So what's the problem? What's your problem lol?

          The child of an NRA gun nut slaughtered the children.

          by plok on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:57:12 PM PST

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          •  you could make everyone benefit (1+ / 0-)
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            More leave for everyone would mean that everyone benefits, cretaing a special class of people that have more rights in a workplace just leads to more divide and conquer techniques by mangement.  The labor movement started to fall apart when they started agreeing to mult-tier contracts, and this is just another type of multi-tier social contract.  

            •  You're missing an important bit (4+ / 0-)
              cretaing a special class of people that have more rights in a workplace
              Parental leave doesn't create a special class of people any more than sick leave or military leave, or even vacation time does.  Everyone has the same rights to take these leaves; not everybody has to avail themselves of it.  


              Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

              by nominalize on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:21:12 PM PST

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              •  Parental leave would be available to everyone? (1+ / 0-)
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                Hmm.  what about people that don't have kids? can they take parental leave?  maybe we should just call it leave then and offer it to EVERYBODY.  

                •  Why? (6+ / 0-)

                  If you choose not to have kids, you don't use the leave designated for it.  If your national guard unit is never called up, you don't use the leave designated for it.  If you're never called for jury duty, you don't use the leave designated for it.  If you don't fall ill, you don't use the leave designated for it.  All of these leaves are designed to mitigate the effects of crucial events beyond our full control that negatively affect our ability to fully contribute to a professional environment.  

                  What would ensuring paid leave mitigate for those of us who just want time off for shits and giggles?  And what would trigger its availability?  The thing is, there already exists a system of (paid) leave for no particular purpose; it's called vacation.  Vacation is a great and noble institution, but it's not germane to this topic. Yet, your comment and those of the same vein conflate the two.

                  Of course, as it happens, the US also trails most countries in requiring companies to offer paid vacation (in that it doesn't at all).  We could use a requirement like that as well.  But it really is a separate issue, because of the nature of the motivations for the paid time off.

                  Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

                  by nominalize on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 11:19:38 PM PST

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        •  Want to see what happens to economies in (2+ / 0-)
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          thomask, mmacdDE

          countries with very low population growth?  Look at Japan.  Who the hell do you think is going to support you when you're 80?  And don't tell me that it's going to be your well-earned savings and investments.  That's mostly what I live off, but if we had negative population growth, my income would be a hell of a lot less.   This reminds me of the ANSOLUTELY INSANE failure of the U.S. to invest in its dilapidated infrastructure right now when it could borrow at essentially zero interest.  Oh, and you can throw in there the drastic reduction in state support for public higher education over the last 40 years.      People don't seem to realize it's an implicit après moi le deluge policy, except that the deluge -- literal and/or metaphorical -- is likely to come a lot sooner tan they expect if we continue to refuse invest in the future.  

        •  Who'll pay your social security? (0+ / 0-)
      •  I don't have kids and don't want them. I support (1+ / 0-)
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        parental leave but I would like something the equivilent for myself.

        Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature.

        by ZenTrainer on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:22:59 PM PST

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        •  I agree. People who don't have children might (2+ / 0-)
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          ZenTrainer, Joe Bob

          want to take leave for lots of legitimate reasons - a desire to travel and spend time in a foreign country for more than 2 weeks, a desire to pursue education to advance themselves, time to care for an elderly parent who is ill, whatever.  Why can't we all have some time to human and pursue various life experiences and not have to be a slave to a job for our entire adult lives?

          The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

          by helfenburg on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 04:34:15 AM PST

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          •  But time to care for an ill family member (0+ / 0-)

            Could be built into a maternity/paternity leave program.

            Just rename it family leave. Define what kinds of relationships are supported - spouse, parent, sibling, child.

            If you need time to care for any of them, you put in for it, and provide the required documentation, and you get it.

            Should be pretty easy to set up. Just requires a small additional tax and insurance program to pay for it.

            I'd support that.

    •  Well,... (0+ / 0-)

      In this country, if you want medical care, you pay by the pill/operation/minute.
      If you want transportation, you either buy a private car (and pay by the gallon) or buy a ticket and pay by the mile/block/inch.
      If two identifiable groups of people want some similar benefit, they must pay for and receive that benefit through two separate bureaucracies each funded a different way.

      We don't believe in flat rates.  We don't believe in shared (or logical) ANYTHING.

      Welcome, stranger.
      "Aye Willum, there be a stranger a'comin'.  Let's hit um in the head with a rock."  (Some old quote I read somewheres)

      Do what Jesus would do if he were rich.

      by jestbill on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:22:23 PM PST

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    •  Well, it's a different way (3+ / 0-)
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      of thinking about society.

      The approach you describe is more work-centered. What you care about (at least as I infer from your post) is how the parental leave is perceived in the work place and whether or not its fair that some people get "special treatment." (I think the post by nominalize below answers this approach fairly well).

      Countries with generous (or any!!!) paid parental leave are taking a more (if not completely) family-centered approach, but one that also has its societal benefits. As almost any study will tell you, the more time a newborn can spend with at least one of its parents, the better adjusted that child is likely to be ("likely" being a key word). It's also better for the parents - parents who are able to spend time with their newborn and then ease back into the workplace after having arranged suitable childcare that they are comfortable with are more likely to be happy when they go back to work, and so more productive. Generally, happier kids and happier parents leads to happier neighborhoods and towns and so on.

      I agree with you that more leave in general should be given in the US. I've been living in Europe for the past thirteen years, and parental leave and 25-28 days of annual holiday, plus guaranteed sick leave is one set of conditions that makes it difficult for me to want to leave. It just feels . . . more civilized.

      And my baby's my common sense, so don't feed me planned obsolescence.

      by vadasz on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 12:56:01 AM PST

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    •  Ah, that's republican bull sh-t. (0+ / 0-)
  •  We are the "exception" in this too n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    Sue B, Cartoon Messiah

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:11:02 PM PST

  •  Lesotho, Swaziland & Papua New Guinea: Our (5+ / 0-)

    top economic competitors, right? Memorize this list, and throw it at the next winger who throws 'American Exceptionalism' in your face. Yes, this is how exceptional we are: We force pregnant women to work up until their water breaks on the job, and then rip their nursing babies from their breast so they can get right back on the factory floor.

    And we have decided to 'share' this lack of mandated maternity leave policy with three of this planet's least industrialized nations--countries with strong rural, tribal cultures and entirely different patterns of work and child care.

    God Bless America.

    Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

    by earicicle on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:12:40 PM PST

  •  In Papua New Guinea (8+ / 0-)

    They just burned a witch for committing sorcery.

    That tells you what century we're operating in.

  •  President Obama will be shocked when he finds out! (2+ / 0-)
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    slinkerwink, Cartoon Messiah

    I blame the interns for not telling him about this state of affairs.

    To be fair, the Senators and Congresspeople will also be shocked if they should ever come across this information.

  •  Salary folks get paid sick leave (0+ / 0-)

    along with a wink and a nod that hourly folks do not. I've worked with guys who were paid their entire salaries for years while battling cancer.

    The child of an NRA gun nut slaughtered the children.

    by plok on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:27:36 PM PST

    •  Not all (3+ / 0-)
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      TexasTom, Cartoon Messiah, mmacdDE

      salaried folk get all that much in the way of paid sick leave.  I paid myself for short term disability leave which covers a portion of lost salary afer 1 week of sick leave.  But I ended up "making up hours" when I was well enough to work, but the "make up" hours never got counted towards salary (because I am salaried) for the amount of pay I got charged for going over sick leave allotment.  Very peculiar system that does not necessarily favor salaried workers.

      Democrats give you the Bill of Rights; Republicans sell you a bill of goods!

      by barbwires on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:18:16 PM PST

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    •  Not necessarily (0+ / 0-)

      I've built up a bunch of sick leave. Probably months and months worth. I rarely get sick, and I've worked at the same place for 12 yrs, so it's a lot.

      We also have long term and short term disability that pays a good chunk of your salary once you use up your sick leave.

      So it's conceivable that I could be out months, maybe a year, and get paid most of my salary that entire time.

      I've earned that by not taking sick leave much.

  •  The Fact That Paid Family Leave Is Not (6+ / 0-)

    the law in this country makes a liar of every politician who blathers about its people being the most important asset America has.  

    Great assets are costly but they pay off in the long run.  If American law makers believed that children were such great assets, they wouldn't insist that women and their families pay the entire cost of those wonderful assets.  Women who leave the work force to take care of their children for any length of time, stand lose the opportunity to secure a safe and dignified retirement. God, I loath Republican lawmakers.  

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    by tikkun on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:32:43 PM PST

  •  I'd happily rec (2+ / 0-)
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    ZenTrainer, life is making tacos

    some of the earlier remarks, but this seems to be another case of either an old diary that was put on the front page or an old draft, as there's no rec button on some of the comments. So consider them at +4.

    We are often so identified with whatever thoughts we may be having that we don’t realize the thoughts are a commentary on reality, and not reality itself. -- Gangaji

    by Mnemosyne on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:32:48 PM PST

  •  It's even worse than this diary spells out (6+ / 0-)

    Not only can't we be with our children when they are born, they want us to work until we are 68, 69,70, 71....

    And we are the ruin of society.

    •  pension: freeloader golden parachute: ? (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm not sure what the current term is for the fat cats who receive multi-million dollar bonuses as they get fired. Whatever you call them it must be a mark of respect because it seems to be an entree into politics.

  •  In my state of Kansas (3+ / 0-)

    The governor (Brownback-R) is talking about cutting the income tax to lure businesses.  

    What they need to do is institute paid parental leave (even three months worth), and lure employees from the KC area.  Which will boost local demand, which will... wait for it.. spur job creation!  

    A family-friendly sane person can dream, can't he?

    Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

    by nominalize on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:13:43 PM PST

  •  It's this kind of thing (1+ / 0-)
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    life is making tacos

    that makes me want to let the red states that talk about succession go their own way.  We could have such a nice country without them.  Think of life without Rand Paul, Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell to gum up the works.

  •  equal leave (1+ / 0-)
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    Cartoon Messiah

    I just hope when we do get around to it here we make sure to implement equal leave for mothers and fathers.

  •  Stupid graphic (2+ / 0-)
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    Dogs are fuzzy, SLKRR

    Seriously, who designs that kind of crap--they should be fired. What is the point of making this round?  Why not a simple bar graph?  Or organizing it by continent, in rank order, or GDP or something useful?

    "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

    by Old Left Good Left on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 11:25:25 PM PST

  •  Being at the bottom IS being #1. (0+ / 0-)

    Just in the other direction.

    Democracy has a well-known liberal bias.

    by MrCanoehead on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 03:27:46 AM PST

  •  Every time I hear we are exceptional or # one (1+ / 0-)
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    i cringe because it is fantasyland not the US.

  •  One sided (0+ / 0-)

    In order to give a fair picture, you also have to compare:

    a) the ability of women to earn and progress professionally through their careers vs. men (with the assumption that many of the benefits listed above are applicable mainly, if not exclusively, to women)

    b) economic productivity across countries

    On that basis, I assume than the divide between women and men is less prominent in the US than many of the countries listed in the article. The superior productivity of the US economy to most of these same countries requires no assumption.

    I'm not saying that this is necessarily a fair trade, but let's not pretend like there isn't one. There are definite consequences to firms being forced to pay for 3-6 months of leave, and those consequences take a toll on both economic progress as well as gender equality in the work place.

  •  Australia only pays minimum wage for leave (1+ / 0-)
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    Liberal Of Limeyland

    However, that's $15+ U.S. an hour.

  •  We're #67! We're #67! We're #67! We're #67! (0+ / 0-)
  •  Pro-life in name only. Good ol' USA (0+ / 0-)

    where empty rhetoric is enough.  The dollar trumps the embryo every time.

  •  The graph is out of date... (0+ / 0-)

    Brazil expanded paid maternity leave from 4 months to 6 months a couple of years ago.

    Article 196. Health care is a right of all persons and an obligation of the State, guaranteed through social and economic policies that provide...universal and equitable access to programs and services....

    by SLKRR on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:23:33 PM PST

  •  Good Ghawd (0+ / 0-)

    Is there any effin' thing about this country that is in the least bit of real benefit to its working citizens?

    I can't think of a damn thing. Not one.

    if you can, the reply button's just a click away.

  •  Lincoln: elevate not degrade (0+ / 0-)

    "Understanding the spirit of our institutions to aim at the elevation of men, I am opposed to whatever tends to degrade them." Abraham Lincoln

  •  The no paid sick leave explains the epidemics (0+ / 0-)

    That the US is prone to, along with the lack of health care for the working poor, who do most of the food and clean up services.

    Makes no sense. Those that are cleaning, cooking and serving others, especially in the food industry, are the ones most likely to spread diseases to others. They are the ones that should always get paid sick leave, along with good health care, if only to protect the rest of us.

    Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

    by splashy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 12:35:11 AM PST

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