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Arizona is one of only three states that has an Official State Weapon; Utah and Indiana are the other two. Ours is the Colt revolver, which the Arizona legislature designated shortly after the 2011 massacre in Tucson—classy move there. Also, the state already has about the most lax gun laws in the nation; just about anyone can carry anything, no questions asked. So Arizona might as well be the capital of gun makers, too. Why not eliminate all the political drama and transportation middlemen and make your weapons where it's also really easy to sell and use them?

That's the laser-like thinking behind Republican Rep. Paul Gosar's message to Remington Arms, which assembles its weapons in the most anti-gun state in the nation, New York. Gosar let Remington know that they ought to make their products where the elected officials and many citizens really like them, not in a state where the governor and other politicians just don't appreciate all the good they do.

Gosar has written Remington that New York's gun control laws, which are among the nation's toughest, should tell the business that it's no longer welcome there. Gosar has officially extended an invitation to the firearms giant to move to Arizona. KTAR
Further, if the Arizona legislature passes one of the pending bills that will allow the state's gun dealers to ignore new federal regulations, like a ban on assault weapons, then there will be even more customers for Remington out here. The Republican congressman isn't the only person who thinks making Arizona the Disneyland of Guns is a good idea.
Glenn Hamer heads up the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and agrees with Gosar's assessment of New York.

"Why any company would do business in the state of New York is beyond me. It has a very hostile business environment," Hamer said.

Yeah, why would any company operate in New York instead of Arizona? Let's discuss below the fold.

I mean, if I were a business and I was looking for a workforce, I'd certainly look first at the Grand Canyon State, whose public schools rank eighth worst in the nation, instead of New York, which is judged third best. And New York has 10 colleges in the nation's top 100, while Arizona has ... zippo. After all, New York's educated and skilled workers will want higher salaries. And unions! Don't forget, Remington: Arizona is a right-to-work state.  

Indeed, why would any business set up shop in New York? According to think tanks that track business taxes, New York is a terrible place, one of the worst in the country. But take a look at the top 10 best states for low taxes:

1. Wyoming
2. South Dakota
3. Nevada
4. Alaska
5. Florida
6. New Hampshire
7. Washington
8. Montana
9. Texas
10. Utah

No offense to my friends in Wyoming, but you can make your taxes as low as possible, maybe even give money away, and that in itself won't lure businesses. That's the fallacy of a lot of Chamber of Commerce rhetoric about low-tax incentives. Among the attractions that make a location competitive for business retention and relocation, tax rates are important, but generally they fall behind education, healthcare, environment, transportation, markets, and arts and culture. Sure, call centers and warehouses will go where the taxes and regulations are minimal, but the companies you want, the ones that pay good wages and attract an educated workforce, seek communities of character. Otherwise they'd all be headquartered in Somalia.

In the economic history of large businesses that have relocated to Arizona, like Motorola, the bait was the state's unique natural and cultural landscape, not its tax base. But that was in the 1950s, and since then the movers and shakers have done a good job destroying that landscape. Today Phoenix is the sixth largest city in the nation, but it is home to very few corporate headquarters. The reason is not because of high taxes, because Phoenix has among the lowest in America. But when it goes head-to-head with Seattle, Austin, Denver, San Francisco, and other western cities competing for corporate headquarters, Phoenix often loses—not because its taxes are high, but because its social amenities don't make the grade.

One major black eye is the state's backwards reputation, which it has earned by passing racist legislation like the "papers please" law, enacting intolerant LGBT policies, and cutting education more than any other state in the last four years. Not helping is the carnival of pinhead public officials, such as Gov. Jan "Headless Bodies" Brewer, Sheriff Joe "Pink Underwear" Arpaio, and former Sen. Russell "My Best Friends Are Nazis" Pearce. When your state is a regular punchline for Jon Stewart, Sunday talk shows, and MSNBC, that can't be a good thing for business attraction.

And what better way to enhance Arizona's reputation than to become the nation's headquarters for the makers of death machines! Arizona is already home to more than 100 companies that manufacture guns, including American Spirit Arms, which makes the AR15, the preferred weapon of Adam Lanza. Let's lure them all to Arizona, and branch out to other lethal markets—ammo, grenades, mines, rocket launchers, and howitzers! Arizona has a lot of desert to blow shit up in anyway.

Get creative: Provide a special tax break for corporations whose product can pierce police armor or pass undetected through airport scanners. Hell, change the motto on the state's license plate from "Grand Canyon State" to "From My Cold Dead Hands." The Department of Commerce can create fancy brochures to lure gun makers, pointing out that Arizona's gun shows, where anybody can buy anything, make perfect focus groups.

Next the Office of Tourism can get into the mix, designing tour packages for people who want to visit gun factories, just like beer brewers provide tours through their facilities. Nearly everyone's seen our Grand Canyon by now anyway; it's time for a new niche market—Bullet Tourism! Heck, only three people were murdered at the OK Corral in Tombstone, and that chintzy POS attraction, with its every-hour-on-the-hour shootem'-ups still draws millions of people! Some entrepreneur should buy the Safeway parking lot in Tucson and start offering hourly reenactments of the 2011 shooting, where Jared Loughner killed six and injured twelve, including a U.S. congresswoman.

Poor taste? But that's what Rep. Gosar's plan is—economic development, where weapons of death are the instrument. Anything for a buck, nothing's off limits.  

Let's send a message to the extremist gun lobby that their days of electoral supremacy have come to an end. Give $3 to Robin Kelly!

Originally posted to Maggie's Farm on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 04:13 PM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA, Phoenix Kossacks, Baja Arizona Kossacks, Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA), and Daily Kos.

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  •  Jeff Duncan (R - South Carolina) (4+ / 0-)

    Has been trying to lure Remington out of NY.

    Remington Arms plant in Ilion solicited in wake of new gun law

    In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

    by boriscleto on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 04:20:47 PM PST

  •  in the meantime there is another incident (5+ / 0-)

    Seems a 75 year old man shot his upstairs neighbors for sweeping their dog's poop onto his porch.  Certainly annoying and worth a complaint to apt management but this left 4 children, including a 1 month old, with no parents.

  •  there are a number of (2+ / 0-)
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    specialty gun makers in places like SD and AZ already - for example Dillon Precision which makes mini gatling guns

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    by annieli on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 05:13:14 PM PST

  •  Perhaps worth a thought. (1+ / 0-)
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    Mother Mags

    If firearms were manufactured and exclusively sold within a single state there's a plausible argument that they not would be in "interstate commerce," and thus beyond the reach of federal statutes.

    I don't think the courts would uphold that interpretation, but I didn't think the Supremes would take up Bush v. Gore either.

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    by DaNang65 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 06:14:50 PM PST

  •  AAAAKKKKK! Gosar is my %^%%#$# Congressman (1+ / 0-)
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    and Sturm Ruger is just down the road from me! So he wants Remington to set up business next door to Ruger? Crap!

    I just want to sip my lattes in Starbucks without having to look around to see who is carrying and who is not. Seriously.

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    by savano66 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 09:20:16 PM PST

  •  how about all manufacturers and (7+ / 0-)

    every gun owner who needs semi-automatics and big magazines live in one state?  Land of the armed, home of the scared!  They could have parades and shit.  Then the rest of us could live with the serious hunter people in peace.  

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    by I love OCD on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:40:55 PM PST

    •  I nominate Texas. (0+ / 0-)

      They can rename it the Texas Republic of Jesusland.  Assault weapons lovers (and makers), flat earthers, birthers, angry white males, Newtown Conspiracy Theorists, Dittoheads, Beckheads, Palinbots, and legitimate rapists welcomed.

      •  They better hurry.... (1+ / 0-)
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        Texas has no majority ethic majorities.  

        If they wait until 2016 the whites will be the number two minority.

        Notice that Texass legislature is very quiet on immigration while the rest of the states are very upset.  The state legislature does not want the Hispanic population to focus on the fact the legislature is turning public education on it's head.

        Psst!!!......Mittens you are more of a poor loser than I thought.

        by wbishop3 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 03:33:58 PM PST

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        •  Remember how Perry (1+ / 0-)
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          Dared to sound compassionate in the primaries?  The nuts scared him right out of that position, right quick.

          •  he might have pulled it off (0+ / 0-)

            if he'd avoided sounding stunningly stupid.  He's getting rich being governor, who can blame him for wanting a shot at Presidential level grifting.

            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

            by I love OCD on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 12:51:26 PM PST

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  •  Anything for a buck, they don't care about the (7+ / 0-)

    blood that is spilled for their profits.  The gun cult think they are worshiping the guns as idols, but the real God of the NRA cult/religion if money, just like in all other fundamentalist religions.

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:49:10 PM PST

  •  As the thug Clarence Boddicker exclaimed in the (2+ / 0-)
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    first Robocop: "Guns! Guns! Guns! Guns!"

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    by Wildthumb on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:52:15 PM PST

  •  So... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...since you don't want them in Arizona, can Oregon have Remington? We can use the jobs out east.

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    by maxomai on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:01:09 PM PST

  •  Airsoft guns are AZ's new econ development? nt (0+ / 0-)

    I see what you did there.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:01:17 PM PST

  •  The only way the people of AZ (4+ / 0-)

    should allow this is if gun manufacturers can be sued for defective products.  You put a not-well-educated workforce in place and the products will be substandard.  So, the manufacturer has to take the responsibility for its workers and pony up when the substandard product malfunctions.

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    by PsychoSavannah on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:03:46 PM PST

    •  PS - like any other product manufacturer in the US (3+ / 0-)
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      guns makers can be sued for defective products. What the 2005 Lawful Commerce in Arms Act provides is a shield from civil liability claims if someone uses a gun they manufactured to injure or kill someone, or cause property damage. The Act has no application to defective products.

      I have been involved in several high tech manufacturing companies making products in Arizona. These are products that are much more complex than manufacturing firearms. We never had any problems finding highly qualified employees in Arizona.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:03:00 PM PST

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  •  while I agree with the basic sentiment, (2+ / 0-)
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    the fact is that the states in the South have also been poaching skilled jobs (and headquarters) from the states in the North (or in the case of foreign auto makers, preventing them from going North to begin with) and states like NY are seeing a net exodus of people. Until the trend turns, it is hard to make a really good argument.

    •  Yup and the third world has poached 'em good old (1+ / 0-)
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      boys jobs too, shore 'nuf.

      It doesn't make Glenn Hammer any less of a jackwagon.  

      Damn, making bullets closer to the boarder has to be a great idea if profitting from gang violence in Mexico is part of the business model.  

      You go boys.

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      by jakewaters on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:19:22 PM PST

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    •  Go play with this graph (2+ / 0-)
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      for a little while, then come back with some hard data to back up your statement.  New York's growth curve is a bit flatter than some states in the South, including TX and AZ, but compares favorably to states like SC and KY and blows away places like MS and LA.

      When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

      by litho on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:20:53 PM PST

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      •  not sure what your point is (1+ / 0-)
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        NY is seeing a net migration of people from the state - this isn't necessarily a terrible thing - Northern states are often seeing a migration out and Southern a migration in (with some notable exceptions like ND which is seeing an energy boom).

        see recent Census estimates for the latest

        if you are trying to make the case that there hasn't been a shift in population and power from the North to the South and that it hasn't helped to feed a Conservative push in this country, you will have a difficult time convincing most people.

        •  Net migration? (1+ / 0-)
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          New York's population has increased by 2 million, roughly 10%, since 1980, from 17.55 million to 19.57 million today.  Granted, that's not tracking emigrants and immigrants, but it does show net population growth.

          If you compare population growth in the states I mentioned, you'll see much greater growth rates in AZ and TX, negative growth in LA and MS, and growth rates similar to NY in SC and KY.

          In other words, taking a granular approach to the data produces a much more nuanced understanding than the simple stereotype of "south grows, north declines" that plagues the mainstream press.

          As for the "Conservative push" in the United States, I suggest you get out a bit more.  Five of the last six presidential elections were won by the Democrat, and the current, highly popular, president is the most progressive we've seen since arguably Franklin Roosevelt.

          When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

          by litho on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:17:40 PM PST

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          •  I am not going to get into a big discussion but (2+ / 0-)
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            two things:
            migration refers to movement between states - NY is seeing net migration out - meaning more people are moving from NY to other states than are moving to NY from other states.  (though that is really beside the point. the broader question is whether what some diarists here argue will occur - that people will opt to live in higher cost states with better schools and more services than in lower cost states)

            and I believe most people who visit this site will agree that the Republican party has gone very much to the right since the days of Nixon (even Reagan, for that matter) and that the mainstream Democratic party would not exactly be described as liberal.

            •  Sure, but net migration is kind of meaningless (0+ / 0-)

              unless you disaggregate the figure and see why people are moving away, and why people are moving toward.

              My guess is if you eliminated people retiring to warmer climes, you probably would see something close to a wash.

              I've lost my faith in nihilism

              by grumpynerd on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:48:29 PM PST

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      •  It's a peripheral issue (1+ / 0-)
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        but although I live in NYC, when I started a business some years ago, having the luxury of choice, I registered as a NJ company. New York, and NYC in particular, are full of stupid and annoying regulation (requiring much filling-out of forms) and exact noticeably higher taxes. NJ is no paradise, but it was the lesser of evils. My wife, lacking the choice, has had to put up with the regime. At all levels here, people regularly and actively look for ways to avoid the regs and the taxes, from all the FL and NJ plates on Brooklyn cars, to business people who make absolutely certain that they spend not one second more than 182 days each year here (to avoid NYS and NYC tax). NY may be doing sort of alright compared to other states, but that's very much despite its hostile business practices. And there is no good way to measure the amount of business that, deterred, sets up elsewhere in the first place.

        •  I lived in a tax haven for a while. (0+ / 0-)

          Didn't save me much b/c I'm not Romney, but I did learn that many, many US companies set up offshore as "shelf corporations" to avoid certain states' regulations.  And some companies set up offshore to avoid having to deal with 50 different sets of state regulations.  Costs like $5K a year and an annual director's meeting in the tropics to circumvent tangled, contradictory, and oftentimes nonsensical regulations.

          There is a legitimate complaint to be made about onerous regulations in America, although too many Repubs cry about "gubmint regulations" being the horror of horrors without the slightest idea what they are talking about.

  •  I was in Arizona once (0+ / 0-)

    I left LA about 11 o'clock at night and the sun was rising when I hit the New Mexico-Texas line.  I must have crossed Arizona in there, but all I remember are headlights...

    When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

    by litho on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:12:44 PM PST

  •  Chocolate laced with lead, that may work (0+ / 0-)

    "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

    by jakewaters on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:15:36 PM PST

  •  Positioning Themselves In The Market (2+ / 0-)
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    No doubt seizing on the opportunity Arizona presents as a great location from which to sell assault weapons to drug cartels south of the boarder.

  •  Incidentally (3+ / 0-)
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    Remington Arms is for sale. The parent company Cerberus Capital Management LP decided to unload its toxic collection of firearms manufacturers four days after the Sandy Hook shootings.  I wonder how many offers they're getting.

  •  Arizona is not a good place to make things... (0+ / 0-)

    Its water constrained which means that its limited how much the state can grow.  Also I am guessing that Arizona is not very good at water management given how poorly managed the rest of the state is.  

    Better to move to Springfield, VT.  Its a city that has a long history of precision machining and the state is pro gun.  Alternatively, they could move to Baltimore, MD if the state dropped its new gun regulations.  Beretta threatened to pull its factory out if the bill passes.  

    Under capitalism man exploits man, under communism the roles are reversed.

    by DavidMS on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:37:25 PM PST

  •  Meanwhile at 17th Ave. and Jefferson (1+ / 0-)
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    AZ Senator introduces bill to rename State. Unfortunately staff misreads "The Pine Cone State" and bill is introduced with title, "The Pin Head State."

    According to the guilty staffer, "It's a mistaking bitchs, my bad."

  •  It makes total sense (1+ / 0-)
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    for them to move there. They'll be closer to the Mexican drug cartels, which are a major destination of american weapons.

  •  About lax gun laws (0+ / 0-)
    Also, the state already has about the most lax gun laws in the nation; just about anyone can carry anything, no questions asked.
    Probably as long as your melanin count isn't to high though.

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    by clear SKies on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:52:39 PM PST

  •  Wait ... wait ... wait for it ... (0+ / 0-)

    Watch New York's anti-gun legislature (or a state development agency of one sort or another) counter with tax incentives to KEEP Remington in state.  It'll happen.

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    by Not A Bot on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:56:30 PM PST

  •  Otherwise they'd all be headquartered in Somalia. (1+ / 0-)
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    or Mississippi!

  •  Ahhh the stench of yankee lib hipcrisy... (0+ / 0-)

    ...fills up the room.

    So the merchants of death... the people who KNOW DAMN WELL what use their weapons are put to (Remington currently makes several versions of the M-4/AR-15 plan form combat assault weapon) ... live and breath and profit from the carnage in New York. (It's JOBS man!)

    New York?  Let's just remember this, pals, next time anyone wants to cop an attitude about how ignorant things are below the Mason Dixon line.

    I've lived above and below that line, there are problems everywhere... but I guaranfrippintee you that Jesus himself thinks that there are a lot of people north of that line that are gonna' burn in hell for casting stones at others.

    Common' NY, we all know you're as chock full of rednecks as any other state.  Shut down the death merchants!

    •  No excuse to use the same broad brush. n/t (0+ / 0-)

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      by Back In Blue on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:03:50 AM PST

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  •  I just wrote to Rep Gosar (1+ / 0-)
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     Since I am in his district I thought I'd write to him and let him read your excellent piece for himself.  It turns out he only accept emails from his district.  Heres what I wrote,

      "Dear Congressman Gosar,
      I just read of your invitation letter to the weapons manufacturers in New York to come to Arizona.

      Please read about your letters impact here,

      Perhaps if you want to lure more manufacturing to Arizona you should increase financial support to schools so that we are not ranked just above the worst in the nation?  

      Please let me know what you think of this idea.

  •  I associate Remington with sporting arms. (0+ / 0-)

    I've always thought Remington made almost exclusively sporting arms: bolt-action and low-capacity semiautomatic hunting rifles, pump, low capacity semiautomatic and double-barrell shotguns. Do they even make pistols or the types of guns banned even in New York?

  •  If Arizona wants to be America's North Korea, (1+ / 0-)
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    then we can initiate sanctions and blockades of Arizona goods.  We'll even seek and obtain support through the UN Security Council.  Nothing in that could be used to manufacture weapons, and everything coming out subjected to 100% inspection.  Think of the jobs created!  Think of the duties paid!  Think of Remington as being no more!

    Proponents of gun violence own guns. Opponents of gun violence do not own guns. What part of this do you not understand?

    by Liberal Panzer on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:07:29 PM PST

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