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The right wing internet media is quietly pushing a story about an eight-year-old Mexican girl being pregnant.

It is international news (I guess) that an eight-year-old girl became pregnant.  However, one wonders why it is necessary to give the girl's ethnicity/nationality away in the headline of the article other than for racial/ethnic stereo-typing purposes.  Of course, the story also arises in the context of a new immigration debate and House immigration hearings filled with anti-immigration witnesses.  The story also fits nicely with narratives republicans like to push, like the one about Mexicans dropping their "anchor babies," or important questions (like how Mexicans "reproduce so fast?") that are asked harmlessly by Ron Paul/tea party bastions like stormfront.org (If you want to google the racist right-wing website, go ahead).

I suppose one could argue that the news reporters were merely identifying where the baby was born, but that does not explain why it is mentioned in the headline of the story.  Drudge ran with the story up front, but deleted the "Mexican" part when he moved the story down, but not because it was racist in the first place, or anything like that.

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  •  Tip Jar (1+ / 0-)
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    Jeff Y
  •  This is a quite a reach. (11+ / 0-)

    Mexico is her nationality; I think if she were German, that would also be included.

    And a pregnant 8 year old is a big deal.

    •  It's Drudge (0+ / 0-)

      His stock and trade is racism and race baiting.

      "I'm so happy 'cause today I found my friends, they're in my head. Light my candles, in a daze 'cause I found god." - Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:06:19 PM PST

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    •  No reason for it to be in the headline. (1+ / 0-)
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      •  I don't see a problem with it being in the headlin (3+ / 0-)
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        ctexrep, ffour, bluedust

        Mexican is her nationality, not her race.

      •  Other than the fact it happened in Mexico (1+ / 0-)
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        and she's now nine and has delivered the child in Mexico - and the 17 Y/O who got her pregnant has run away.

        All facts - so?  When shit happens in Mexico, it's perfectly acceptable to mention the fact of where this has occured.

        If it happened in Sweden, I'm sure it would be detailed where it happened.

        The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

        by ctexrep on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 05:21:17 PM PST

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    •  8 is a big deal indeed. (5+ / 0-)

      After reading the diary, I felt compelled to consult the great oracle of Google.

      The result:

      List of Youngest Birth Mothers

      Only ten other 8 year old birth mothers documented going back to 1759.

      If she carries to term but herself has a birthday before giving birth, she'll join 27 other documented 9 year old birth mothers.

      So yeah, it's a big deal in mere terms of biological rarity, and that's before considering the social politics and criminal stories that may be involved.

      •  postscript TRIGGER ALERT on that Link. Sorry. nt (1+ / 0-)
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      •  I think the bigger question is, (1+ / 0-)
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        who is the father?

        "I'm so happy 'cause today I found my friends, they're in my head. Light my candles, in a daze 'cause I found god." - Kurt Cobain

        by Jeff Y on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:19:01 PM PST

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      •  She already gave birth to a healthy boy. (2+ / 0-)
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        C-section because she's too tiny to deliver normally.

        Resuming episode.

        My political compass: - 8.38,-6.97

        by pucklady on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:33:15 PM PST

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        •  That's great. While it certainly is not (1+ / 0-)
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          the best idea for an 8-year old to be a mother, we really should not sit in judgment of other peoples' cultures. It is hopefully going to be the situation that both mother and child go on to lead happy lives, notwithstanding the risks involved with such a young woman being a mother. I can't imagine my daughter handling something like that when she was eight, but I don't know this girl and I don't want to judge whether or not she is going to be a suitable mother. Perhaps she will have help from her own mother or other family members, at least until she is an adult herself.

          •  I think the real question is who is the father? (4+ / 0-)

            I think a pregnant child is the result of a rape- no way can she have given her consent and that makes this story very sad.

            •  Of course it is very sad. On the other (1+ / 0-)
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              hand, there is a great deal of potential happiness in any newborn baby. That baby may end up being the girl's closest friend and be overall as positive of an experience as my children are to me. The story is sad; but at this point there is hope for something positive to come out of this.

          •  I have no problem sitting in judgement here. (7+ / 0-)

            It's child rape.

            I don't care what country you're in.

            An eight year old is a child. She is not a young woman.

            •  Yeah, I meant that I'm not going to (2+ / 0-)
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              sit in judgment of her situation right now; however she was impregnated, at this point there is a child to deal with. I don't know the backstory of how she got pregnant (I was very surprised that she was able to get pregnant at such a young age). I don't know what village she came from, but we always must be careful in assuming that our own mores are universal.

              •  I live in Mexico and the mores here are (1+ / 0-)
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                that at 15 is the quincenera, the coming out party for girls, when culturally they are considered to be no longer little girls.  The laws are complex and vary state to state, but the youngest age of consent in Mexico is 12/puberty, the highest 15, although there are many restrictions on how that works before 18 years of age.

            •  It's also child abuse to let the pregnancy (1+ / 0-)
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              Continue. This is too much for an 8 year old body to deal with. Whoever did not let her get an abortion early on is an abusive caretaker.

              Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

              by splashy on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 09:30:50 PM PST

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          •  Not too many cultures (5+ / 0-)

            who condone sex and childbirth at such a young age - it didn't say in the article but one would assume that the girls parents, being her legal guardian, made the decision for the girl.  They will be the caregivers.

            Nine year old girls are not mothers - they are children.

            A nine year old does not have the capacity to make decisions - she may become a wonderful mother but now she is a child with a childs mental and phyysical skills.

            The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

            by ctexrep on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 05:27:21 PM PST

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            •  I want to agree with you, because (0+ / 0-)

              that sounds logical, but I think we're supposed to fight our natural urge to sit in judgment. I read that scientists believe that early man formed families and had children much earlier. It very well may be our natural state, from which we've made changes. And those are good changes. Some of the Mayans had as part of their culture the sacrifice of children. Yet we don't sit in judgment of their culture as being morally wrong.

              •  Pedophiles use this argument all the time (5+ / 0-)

                Note-I am in no way calling you a pedophile. But they do often justify their actions by saying "oh it's human nature, children are sexual beings too, society is oppressing us, other cultures do it too" etc. This has no basis in reality. An attraction to prepubescent children has never been part of any widespread cultural norm, because it is not something that is a common human trait. People may have been more ambivilent of such abuses in the past, but the way we saw children was markedly different than it is now....actually child rape only became a social taboo because fathers saw their daughters as personal property, and rape brought down the price of their dowry.

                But yes, child marriage is not uncommon in some cultures even today, but I vehemently disagree that we have to be "open minded" about such a thing. It is a human rights violation, just as much as something like female genital mutilation is, and we don't see FGM as acceptable in any culture, nor should we be accepting of child brides, or 8 year old "mothers". This is why we have things like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and why we are increasingly using diplomacy as a way to put pressure on countries where human rights abuses are common. Thankfully, we are evolving. Unfortunately, not soon enough for this poor little girl.

                You must work-we must all work-to make a world that is worthy of its children -Pablo Casals Please support TREE Climbers for victims of child sexual abuse and exploitation.

                by SwedishJewfish on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 08:21:57 PM PST

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                •  You are so spot on (1+ / 0-)
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                  We have evolved - when life expectancy was 30 years, it was survival of the species.

                  Today - it's wrong on every single count.  The little girl had to have a C-section since her body had not developed  enough to safely deliver a baby.

                  I always try to accept others cultures and ways of life but I draw a very hard line when it comes to child abuse / rape / molestation etc.

                  It's wrong and if a culture deems it acceptable, then it's wrong too.

                  Females are stones to death in some cultures for having sexual relations outside of marriage yet the men having sex with them face no penalties  - that's not to say either should face any penalty but it's a sick pratice and it is wrong.

                  I am proud that our culture (for the most part) has evolved from the Scarlet Letter.  WHich is not to say that terrible things do not happen in our society but I do think we have laws and many good people doing the right things to try and prevent such terrible things from happening.

                  The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

                  by ctexrep on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:00:45 AM PST

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              •  No, it's abusive in every way (3+ / 0-)

                It will stunt her growth, stealing nutrients from her body that she needs, and risk her life in the process.

                Her brain is not developed enough to handle the situation. Her body is not developed enough to handle the situation.

                This is abuse, plain and simple.

                Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

                by splashy on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 09:32:50 PM PST

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          •  Ummm (11+ / 0-)

            If she was 15 I might agree with you, but 8 is something else. The father is on the run and bring sought by prosecutors for child rape. This is not a cultural norm where she lives.

          •  I am prepared to sit in judgement (6+ / 0-)

            of this.  And I must say that I really doubt that I will be sitting in judgement of a culture - but rather of an asshole child molester who is seen as scum in Mexico just as much as he would be here.

    •  Young girls are getting their menarche at younger (3+ / 0-)

      ages.

      Cow's milk... or maybe the hormones in the milk and other dietary items... has been blamed.

      This has nothing to do with the child being Mexican or Latina and everything to do with environmental factors outside her family's control.


      One may live without bread, but not without roses.
      ~Jean Richepin
      Bread & Roses

      by bronte17 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 06:14:01 PM PST

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      •  Thanks for bringing it up. Pesticide exposure (2+ / 0-)
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        causes hormonal changes in young organisms.  That is criminal as well.

      •  Doesn't mean the pregnancy should have been (0+ / 0-)

        Allowed to continue. This will stunt her growth, robbing her body of nutrients she needs to grow and thrive.

        The fetus takes what it needs, regardless of the harm done to the mother.

        Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

        by splashy on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 09:35:38 PM PST

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        •  that is another topic and does not pertain to (0+ / 0-)

          the slanderous bigotry aimed at Mexico and Latina populations with this story.

          And, yes, you've done well to point out a few of the many bad effects of the pregnancy on that child.


          One may live without bread, but not without roses.
          ~Jean Richepin
          Bread & Roses

          by bronte17 on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 11:20:26 AM PST

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  •  Wait (0+ / 0-)

    What about the father of this child? I really don't care if he was only 17, this is child abuse.

  •  yo... diarist... your diary has some really ugly (2+ / 0-)

    stuff in it.

    ... or important questions (like how Mexicans "reproduce so fast?") that are asked harmlessly by Ron Paul/tea party bastions like stormfront.org...
    The way that is written sounds like you are absolving Ron Paul's minions and his stormfront friends of asking such ugly questions.


    One may live without bread, but not without roses.
    ~Jean Richepin
    Bread & Roses

    by bronte17 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 06:17:48 PM PST

  •  diarist chose to get outraged over this? (0+ / 0-)

    When you see the headli8ne Mexican 8 year old gives birth, thething that compels you to write the diary is the use of the word mexican????? I would think the PC factor of that pales next to the shocking headline's other words

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