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Issues polling from Quinnipiac, 1/30-2/4/2013

Andrew Rosenthal/NY Times:

We’ve been here before, with President George W. Bush, who told us to trust him after 9/11 and gave us illegal wiretapping, kidnapping, rendition, indefinite detention, torture, military trials and Guantanamo Bay. And that’s just what we know about.

We argued at the time that we are supposed to be a nation of laws, not personalities, and that powers, once acquired, are never given up. Mr. Obama denounced Mr. Bush’s actions during the 2008 campaign but upon taking office pursued the same abuse of the state secrets privilege in court cases involving rendition, torture and indefinite detention.

Just as Mr. Bush decided that his constitutional powers and the Congressional authorization for war in Afghanistan gave him the authority to tap our phones without a warrant and to approve the torture of prisoners, Mr. Obama decided he had the power to order the killing of Americans. He does not even think enough of the American people to come before them and explain his decision.

NY Times:
The White House on Wednesday directed the Justice Department to release to the two Congressional Intelligence Committees classified documents discussing the legal justification for killing, by drone strikes and other means, American citizens abroad who are considered terrorists.
A step in the right direction. We'll have more on this in coming days, including essays on Sunday. For today, more punditry and opinion below the fold.

Jill Lawrence/National Journal:

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s big speech at the American Enterprise Institute has been analyzed for its tone (warm), its rhetoric (soothing) and its intent (to show that Republicans want to improve life for everyday Americans). What about its ideas? Here is an (admittedly subjective) evaluation of the policy proposals Cantor laid out. Some of them are new, many of them are familiar, and what he has left out on several big issues gives his party some room to maneuver.
Brian Beutler/TPM:
The GOP’s real, immediate priorities are thus no different than they were before the election.

Those priorities didn’t carry the day in November. And in the months since, Republicans, and the conservative movement writ large, have been debating amongst themselves whether their priorities need an overhaul, or whether they just need to shoehorn them into packaging that will appeal to the broad middle class.

That internal struggle continues to some extent over the issue of immigration reform. But the new argument on the right isn’t over whether the GOP’s problem is substance or salesmanship, but whether it should sell its real priorities, or a separate bill of second-order goods.

Seung Min Kim/Politico:
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) will give the Republican response to President Barack Obama’s State of the Union address next week, top congressional Republicans said Wednesday.

Rubio, elected in 2010, is one of the Republican Party’s rising stars and widely considered to be one of the top contenders for the GOP presidential nomination in 2016.

He is also the GOP’s most prominent Hispanic American and a member of the Senate group crafting a bipartisan immigration proposal offering a pathway to citizenship for millions of illegal immigrants.

Rubio is a much better speaker than, say, Bobby Jindal, but still a bit young and inexperienced for a presidential run IMHO.

Jeff Zeleny/NY Times:

Their battle with Democrats will have to wait. For now, Republicans have their hands full fighting one another.
Politico:
One high-profile Republican strategist, who refused to be named in order to avoid inflaming the very segments of the party he wants to silence, said there is a deliberate effort by party leaders to “marginalize the cranks, haters and bigots — there’s a lot of underbrush that has to be cleaned out.”

For establishment Republicans, this is all about survival, after two straight elections that saw extremely conservative candidates blow Senate races Republicans should have won. For Fox, it’s about credibility: The cable network, while still easily the top-ranked in news, has seen its ratings dip since the election, in part, conservatives tell us, because a lot of Republicans felt duped by the coverage.

Charlie Cook:
Most Americans would be astonished to learn that North America could be energy independent by 2020, thanks to the technological advances in the exploration and production of natural gas and oil, along with progress in energy efficiency. Because of these advances, including hydraulic fracturing (fracking), we are quietly witnessing one of the most important transformational changes in our country’s history. The implications are significant for our national security, our balance of trade, the restoration of our economy, and the creation of jobs, in what is now being called the coming manufacturing renaissance.
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  •  good morning!! (28+ / 0-)

    the Q-poll also covered women in combat, immigration and elections cheating::

    There is a partisan divide on whether to change the way states allocate Presidential Electoral College votes: 46 percent of voters want to keep the system used in most states where all of a state's Electoral College votes go to the candidate who wins the state; 41 percent want to allocate Electoral College votes based who wins in each congressional district.

    Democratic voters favor the current winner-take-all system 55 - 31 percent while Republicans want to allocate votes by congressional district 57 - 30 percent. Independent voters favor winner-take-all 47 - 41 percent.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 04:42:14 AM PST

  •  While Democrats are much more united (5+ / 0-)

    Republicans are having major inviting.  Pass the popcorn!

    Democrats don't agree on everything but overall we are united where there isn't an establishment vs the grassroots fight with in our party.  Part of the reason for that is that the Obama team ran a grassroots campaign thus the grassroots is part of the establishment.

    Republicans on the other hand will see a huge fight with establishment vs the Tea Party.

    President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

    by Drdemocrat on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 04:47:49 AM PST

    •  they can invite who they want, but no sale (3+ / 0-)
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      and I do not believe the party has enough discipline with the infighting to sustain a "no comment on our real priorities" through the primaries and elections.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 04:50:19 AM PST

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      •  One only has to read (2+ / 0-)
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        the comments attached to the Politico article to see that the Tea Party types aren't quite ready to be written off yet.
        The question is, will they still have the massive funding they got in 2012? Thanks to Citizen's United, the answer is probably yes.
        Stay tuned, the Koch Brothers are still out there.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:57:58 AM PST

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    •  Infighting? (0+ / 0-)

      Damned autocorrect?

      "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

      by gritsngumbo on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:54:24 AM PST

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  •  I hate to say "I told you so", but . . . . (6+ / 0-)

    I told you so:

    historically, (3+ / 0-)
    whenever the Dems have inherited illegal surveillance programs, they have NOT ended them, but instead expanded them and turned them against their OWN political opponents.

    After all, the Attorney General who first authorized illegal wiretaps against Martin Luther King Jr was . . . . Robert F Kennedy.

    If we are reduced to the HOPE that the emperor won't abuse the unlimited power we have given him, then democracy is already dead.  It's all over but the funeral.

    Editor, Red and Black Publishers http://www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

    by Lenny Flank on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 10:08:54 PM EDT

    I'm reserving judgement on ALL the Dems (2+ / 0-)
    until they are in office and actually DO something about restoring the rule of law and ending the abuses of power.

    The talk is wonderful.  But talk is cheap.  And historically, talk gives way to power.  In every Democractic Administration that has inherited illegal abuses of power from its predecessor, it did NOT end it, but instead EXPANDED it and utilized it against its own political opponents.

    I'll be impressed with the Dems once they do in reality what they do in rhetoric.

    And given the consistently "all mouth and no balls" performance of the current Democractic Congress, I'm not very hopeful.

    Editor, Red and Black Publishers http://www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

    by Lenny Flank on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 12:05:14 PM EST

    historically . . . (6+ / 0-)
    Whenever Dem Administrations have uncovered illegal domestic spying by Repug Administrations, they did NOT stop any of it -- they instead expanded it and turned it against their OWN political opponents.

    The whole sordid story is laid out in excruciating detail in the Church Committee Reports.

    It remains to be seen whether the next Democratic Adminstration does, or does not, the same thing.

    Editor, Red and Black Publishers http://www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

    by Lenny Flank on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:07:47 AM EDT

    alas, historically whenever Dems have (6+ / 0-)
    taken office and inherited illegal programs from Repugs, they have NOT ended them, but expanded them and turned them against their own political enemies.

    It would probably shock most Dems today to learn that the first Attorney General to approve wiretaps on Martin Luther King Jr was . . . . . . .  Robert Kennedy.

    I suspect that there are still things we have not been told about the Bush years---things which, remaining unknown, are still continuing today.

    by Lenny Flank on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 01:07:06 AM EDT

  •  This is becoming big news on the left. (3+ / 0-)
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    Not sure other people care that much, though.

    Are there any polls?

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 04:53:58 AM PST

  •  GOP: Civil Libertarians? (6+ / 0-)

    Every American should find it extremely odd and condescending that conservatives have decided to suddenly express their "OUTRAGE" and "HORROR" over possible civil liberties or human rights violations in the global war on terror. With an illegal and costly war on their resume, along with the Patriot Act, torture, secret prisons, TSA patdowns and the birth of the drone program, that Republicans have the temerity to make like the ACLU and pound Obama for continuing their own policies is astounding. The bottom line is that drones or unregulated killings of Americans overseas are part of a dangerous and slippery slope. But for conservatives to react the way they have is the height of hypocrisy. -  progressive

    •  I think that the vast Americans would disagree (7+ / 0-)

      with that.  

      As Americans would you rather go to war with a 100,000 troops or send in a drone to kill an Al Qaeda leader whether it be Yemen, Saudi Arabian, Iraqi or American.

      I think that the vast majority of Americans whether they are Democrats, Independents, or Republicans support Obama on this.

      President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

      by Drdemocrat on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:06:01 AM PST

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    •  I can only reprint a comment I made (3+ / 0-)
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      in 2011, since nothing at all has changed since then:

      it wouldn't be the first role reversal (1+ / 0-)
      After all, it wasn't the Republicans who introduced and passed draconian anti-terrorism bills--it was Clinton. Indefinite detention without trial, deportation based on secret evidence, warrantless spying on American citizens, "extraordinary rendition" to be tortured--all those began under the Clintonites. The Repug-controlled Congress made all sorts of noise about "civil liberties" and cut some of Clinton's requests (leading him to make all sorts of noises about "national security" and complain that the Repugs had "watered down" his antiterrorism bill).

      Fast forward to 2001. Now, it's the Dubya-ites who are making all the noises about "national security" and introducing the PATRIOT Act (and the PATRIOT act was nothing but a bundle of the provisions that Clinton had already tried and failed to pass), and the Dems in Congress who were making noises about "civil rights".

      Which shows clearly that both parties wanted the same things, and all their "opposition" was just partisan patter and kabuki--they were both entirely comfortable with mouthing the same arguments that their "opponents" had been mouthing just a few years before--and then entirely comfortable with switching chairs yet again, as if nothing had happened.

      Fast forward again to 2011. The Dems renew the PATRIOT Act three times, and the Repugs don't even pretend to make noise about "civil rights" (nor do the Democrats).

      So the Dems and Repugs reversed roles seamlessly TWICE before acknowledging the reality that they really weren't disagreeing about anything.

      •  Extraordinary rendition (0+ / 0-)

        started under Reagan.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:17:09 AM PST

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        •  no--that was "rendition" (1+ / 0-)
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          That was in cases like the Achille Lauro, where the US kidnapped people to bring them into US jurisdiction for criminal charges.

          Clinton began "extraordinary" rendition, in which kidnapped people were NOT sent to US custody for criminal charges, but sent elsewhere to the custody of other nations where they were tortured.

          •  Okay, (0+ / 0-)

            thought I had read something different this morning with regard to that but more research reveals the first recorded case was in 1995.
            Thanks for the correction, that's why I come here!

            “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

            by skohayes on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 12:32:57 PM PST

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    •  And repukes should similarly dismiss the howlings (1+ / 0-)
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      Of democrats who suddenly go quiet on civil liberties when a D takes office.

      A pox on both their houses...

      A standing army is like a standing member. It's an excellent assurance of domestic tranquility, but a dangerous temptation to foreign adventure. Elbridge Gerry - Constitutional Convention (1787)

      by No Exit on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:15:31 AM PST

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  •  I have to agree with you on Rubio (5+ / 0-)

    being too young, and, as said on some show somewhere last night, it's hard not to look small giving the response to the SOTU. Bobby Jindal was one of the most hilarious SNL skit-like speeches, preceded by a Chris Matthews "Oh, God"

    I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

    by hulibow on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 04:57:36 AM PST

    •  Rubio wil do much, much better than Jindal (6+ / 0-)

      don't underestimate his media skills.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 04:59:49 AM PST

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      •  All he has are media skills. (3+ / 0-)
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        Had this guy not had the good fortune to be telegenic and the incredibly good luck to emerge from a Hispanic lady part, he'd be a barista at a Miami Starbucks.

        This guy has exactly NO accomplishments or record other than carrying Jeb's Florida bags for years and living high on the Florida Republican credit card.  Zip, bupkis, nada.

        It amazes me that so little can be made to be so much with nothing but party money.  This empty suit for President?  Americans should be appalled at the thought of a country led by this hollow Hispanic and his handlers from the Koch wing of the party.

      •  Truth be told (1+ / 0-)
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        Amber6541

        I fear Rubio. Listening to him speak about a week before Paul Ryan was selected I hoped Mitt didn't pick him for VP. He sounds so reasonable & I certainly wouldn't expect voters to see through his rhetoric. Plus, the media hearts him because his story is so compelling.

        I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

        by hulibow on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:16:32 AM PST

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        •  Rubio's slick. He's soft. (1+ / 0-)
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          He's underqualified and over-privileged. Just the type to look out for.

          I ♥ President Obama and have his back.
          Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO subsidies to rich Corps.
          Rich pay more, bloated DoD steal less. End war on Afghanistan 01/01/14.

          by OleHippieChick on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:31:35 AM PST

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        •  That compelling story... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...is certain to become far less compelling if and when we make meaningful progress toward normalizing relations with Havana.

          Cue the former Secretary of State making a high profile "private citizen visit" to Havana before 2014 ends.

          Rubio will still be telegenic, but his story will rapidly morph to something only a bit more important than personal family history. And I contend that he's a TEActivist favorite to a lesser degree because of his "political skilz" and more because of the Anti-Communist "cred" inherent in his "story."

          When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

          by Egalitare on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:52:53 AM PST

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        •  Not really that compelling (3+ / 0-)
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          His parents left Cuba before Fidel took over, thus no more compelling than any other immigrant family making it's way to the US for better opportunity.
          He's also not a chest beating right wing Christian, so evangelicals are somewhat suspicious of him.
          Then there was that contraception bill:

          Press secretary Jay Carney took aim at legislation by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla. – a possible GOP vice presidential candidate – and Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., that would allow any employer to deny birth control coverage if it runs counter to their religious or moral beliefs.
          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:28:48 AM PST

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      •  Hard to do worse than jindal. (7+ / 0-)

        A standing army is like a standing member. It's an excellent assurance of domestic tranquility, but a dangerous temptation to foreign adventure. Elbridge Gerry - Constitutional Convention (1787)

        by No Exit on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:16:35 AM PST

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      •  Obama was young and inexperienced (0+ / 0-)

        when he burst upon the national stage at the Democratic convention in 2004.

  •  Wait,...in APR we're highlighting... (0+ / 0-)

    ...an article extolling fracking?  One that oozes with syrupy delight that

    By 2030, more than 80 percent of the oil imported in the U.S. will likely come from Canada and Mexico.

    Those are two of the dirtiest oil sources in existence.

    WTF, Greg?

    •  you need to read more sources across the (12+ / 0-)

      board to know what people are saying and reading, and that's what APR does. To link does not mean to endorse.

      Now take your medicine. It's good for you.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:01:59 AM PST

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      •  The fracking argument is the one... (0+ / 0-)

        ...the oil & gas industry has been making for a decade.  It's not news; it's only the latest PR firm press release. We've all read and heard it endlessly already.

        •  who's "we"? (9+ / 0-)

          We will continue to post conservative and opposition viewpoints, if only to highlight and/or correct them.

          Here's your opportunity to write a comment (you did) or a diary (open invitation) about why Charlie is wrong, and how a major point is missed.

          But if you do not understand or if you are not aware that others (still) see and portray it as jobs and energy independence, you will be a less effective advocate.

          And if you mistake a pundit's (lack of) understanding of the issue for a PR release, you're misinformed.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:14:48 AM PST

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          •  Fracking is a great issue for this treatment. (5+ / 0-)

            Most people tend to be too simplistic in their treatment of the discussion.

            Two realities to exist:

            1.  Fracking is a perfectly legitimate way to get production out of some declining oil fields.  It has been used without major consequences for years.

            2.  It has NOT been used safely for years in the kind of shale formations they are going after now and it has NOT been used safely for years at the scale we are trying to use it now and there is literally NO science to support it's use in those places and on that scale.

            That's the insidious thing about fracking. It's not some new technology.  It's an old technology applied under different circumstances. AND -- it's applied for energy when oil is going through the roof (again).

            Takes a different argument than simply, "Fracking is bad awful nasty lousy."  I use "Fracking this much in these places is bad awful nasty lousy", but it doesn't get much traction.  Worked well with my E. Texas mother in law, but she's experienced a fracking-caused earthquake, lives in a (really freakin' lovely) rural area, and uses well water.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:42:02 AM PST

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            •  We have gas "fields" here (1+ / 0-)
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              Basically, a big hole with gas in it (my town sits on top of the biggest gas field in the world).
              Fracking is occasionally used to open up a poorly producing well, but there are still concerns about chemicals and such injected into these wells that could conceivably pollute our aquifer.

              “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

              by skohayes on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:33:37 AM PST

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              •  Not the case at all. (2+ / 0-)
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                Gas and oil fields are not big holes with gas and/or oil in them--they are not subterranean lakes.  A gas/oil reservoir is a layer (or layers) of porous rock, whose interstices contain oil, gas, and likely some water too.  For the oil or gas to come to the surface, there must be a negative pressure gradient--i.e., more pressure below, less above--from either more gas, or ideally, water.  But the idea that we're simply tapping big hydrocarbon balloons underground is totally false.

                If that's not what you meant, I apologize--but that's how I interpret your statement about "a big hole with gas in it".  There might be a few specialized exceptions to this, where water has dissolved segments of calcium carbonate, which have subsequently been filled with oil (Saudi Arabia's super-K zones, for example, are thought to be these).  But they're called super-K zones for a reason: they're very, very rare.  Usually the oil and gas is transported through tiny communicating pores.

              •  PS (2+ / 0-)
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                I share your reservations about fracking.  I'm not in favor of polluting our drinking water (which frequently happens).  But I wanted to clarify the technical aspects.

        •  Older than That! (0+ / 0-)

          Fracking as a technique has been around for the better part of a century.  If you're interested in oil and energy, there's a fantastic site, The Oil Drum ( www.theoildrum.com ), with daily posts on news and technical topics pertaining to energy.  As with most sites of that nature (like Daily Kos : ), the meat's in the comments.

          Long short: fracking is old technology, but only recently made profitable.  (So any argument that "cheap oil is here again, due to fracking" is a circular impossibility.  Cheap oil precludes fracking.)  Most of these plays, including the recently-touted fields in California, are old news too.  But prices are high enough now that they're the new targets for development.

  •  Dear Mr Rubio....if you wanna be the leader of the (1+ / 0-)
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    GOP.....you'll first have to traverse a few minefields....or.....you can follow Boner's lead and just do nothing.

  •  Young and inexperienced was the knock on Obama. (4+ / 0-)

    So, I guess we'll see......

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:02:54 AM PST

  •  because ... (1+ / 0-)
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    Rubio is a much better speaker than, say, Bobby Jindal, but still a bit young and inexperienced for a presidential run IMHO.

    ... we're just being avalanched with his "name" so he has "name recog" or "branding" to rely on in Idiot Land.

    who is our "counter name?" why don't we make "spam" out of it: the answer to EVERYTHING was "spam," and we still use that skit to, well ...

    ... in lotsa ways. hmmm ...

    * Join: The Action: End the Bush Tax Cuts for Richest Two Percent * Addington's Perpwalk: TRAILHEAD of Accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.

    by greenbird on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:06:02 AM PST

  •  interesting from Charlie Cook, like being handed (0+ / 0-)

    a winning lottery ticket.

    How big is your personal carbon footprint?

    by ban nock on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:06:28 AM PST

    •  Cook is an ignoramus (0+ / 0-)

      The US cannot become energy independent unless we ban all fossil fuel exports.   We are still at the mercy of the price, which is set on global markets no matter how much we produce.   Pretty much anyone touting "energy independence" is demagoguing and shows how little they know about energy

      Furthermore, he has zero mention of climate change when discussing fossil fuels, which pretty much shows how little he knows about the subject.  

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:17:55 AM PST

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  •  LOL. (4+ / 0-)
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    For Fox, it’s about credibility: The cable network, while still easily the top-ranked in news, has seen its ratings dip since the election, in part, conservatives tell us, because a lot of Republicans felt duped by the coverage.
    So, they fire a couple teabaggers and give their viewers  Karl Rove conservative bias versus Rush Limbaugh conservative bias.

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:06:38 AM PST

  •  Oh, Charlie. (5+ / 0-)

    Ever hear "water is the next oil" ?

    Ever hear what fracking does to groundwater?

    Oh, Charlie.

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:13:46 AM PST

  •  Referencing the poll (2+ / 0-)
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    OleHippieChick, tb mare

    Translated for the Washington politicians:   Meaningful gun control is difficult if not impossible.  

    What's public opinion when it comes to the gun lobby bribes?  

  •  I sincerely don't get all the angst over Awlaki. (4+ / 0-)

    Pardon me, but this "American citizen" who joined al Qaida, openly spoke and wrote against and threatened his own country on tape in front of the entire world with millions of witnesses was an obvious traitor. A trial? I don't give two shits about him or how we got him if this is the "American citizen" everyone is worried about. Puleeze.
    I don't like collateral damage and think a SEAL team could've done him but a drone was the choice.

    I ♥ President Obama and have his back.
    Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO subsidies to rich Corps.
    Rich pay more, bloated DoD steal less. End war on Afghanistan 01/01/14.

    by OleHippieChick on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:37:24 AM PST

    •  I just want oversight (4+ / 0-)

      I mistrust anyone with that power.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:44:56 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Hate to endanger a Seal Team over this guy. (2+ / 0-)
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      OleHippieChick, askew

      We act like the Seals are infallible after the Bin Laden raid, but they can still be killed and dragged through the streets if something goes wrong.

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:50:13 AM PST

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      •  This is true. SEALS are not the end all, be all. (0+ / 0-)

        But Jayz, this little rat Awlaki had it coming and I'd rather no boots on the ground either. It's a very sticky situation at best.

        I ♥ President Obama and have his back.
        Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO subsidies to rich Corps.
        Rich pay more, bloated DoD steal less. End war on Afghanistan 01/01/14.

        by OleHippieChick on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:59:45 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  If he did something wrong, then he should have (4+ / 0-)

      to face the consequences.  That much is obvious.  The problem is that once you've determined that Americans can be killed without any due process, even a trial in absentia ... note that he was never charged with anything, and the visible evidence of his non-awesomness has long been protected by the SCOTUS (Brandenburg v Ohio) ... that bell cannot be unrung, and a President whose back you don't have can do the same thing.

      If you look at the reported legal pretense for the kill list - that could literally be anybody.  And what if the government made a mistake?  What fascinates me is all of the NRA gun nuts who shudder about mean Kenyan socialist taking away their guns and tyranny ... but happily gave the government the authority to spy on and kill Americans without any way to contest claims.  

      I am not heartbroken overr Al-Awlaki (his son on the other hand ...), but when the government claims the authority to kill any American at any time, anywhere over a relatively vague set of criteria which cannot be contested and is essentially adjudicated by Barack Obama, John Brennan and a few lackeys over adult beverages, that is a real problem.

      The administration wanted to take George Bush and Dick Cheney's legacy and expand upon it.  They deserve everything they get.

      •  I understand and agree with most of what you say. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        sk7326, Heart of the Rockies

        Power seized by the Executive under bu$h was/is not going to just be returned, and that is a major disappointment to me re Pres Obama. (I also expected every bu$hCo mole and rodent to be dug up and kicked out, but...)

        That power must be seized, clawed back by the Congress. I don't see that happening soon. As the late Sen Byrd said, when PATRIOT and war powers went to bu$h, the Congress might as well all go fishing. He was right.

        I ♥ President Obama and have his back.
        Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO subsidies to rich Corps.
        Rich pay more, bloated DoD steal less. End war on Afghanistan 01/01/14.

        by OleHippieChick on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:55:01 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Rush Limbaugh feels that way too (1+ / 0-)
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      Heart of the Rockies

      About you.  Where does this stop?  When the president has the power to do this to anyone on a whim, all political adversaries are at risk.  

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:19:29 AM PST

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    •  when the target's on your back because (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Heart of the Rockies

      the government doesn't like the comments you are making about the 2nd amendment, you'll change your tune.

      big badda boom : GRB 090423

      by squarewheel on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:21:03 AM PST

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    •  The rule of law has nothing whatsoever (1+ / 0-)
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      OleHippieChick

      to do with our opinion of the perpetrator or planner of a crime.  

      For many decades the US has used "he's a very bad and dangerous guy" to knock off foreign leaders (generally with disastrous long term effects), and now it appears that US citizenship means nothing in this international game.  

      I do not support the CIA, free of the restraints of military law, being judge, jury and executioner.

  •  Question for the DK committee ~~ (1+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541

    Has someone done an age-group division on the ban-assault-rifles polls yet?  

    One of the more effective tools in the marriage-equality argument was that younger people were just fine about gay marriage. There might be a similar, and useful, trend in these polls that we're not seeing.

    "Guns don't kill people. People in states without gun-purchase background checks & waiting periods kill people." --John Fugelsang

    by Artryst on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:42:59 AM PST

  •  Thanks for the roundup, Greg! (4+ / 0-)

    The WaPo says Rand Paul is preparing for a presidential run in 2016.

    Ugh, ugh, and triple ugh.  He's just as crazy as the rest of them.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:58:36 AM PST

  •  Please Keep All of the Round-up Above the Fold (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Greg Dworkin

    Please put ~all~ of the Abbreviated Pundit Round-up above the orange swirlie...

  •  Fairy Tales of Energy Independence (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    peregrine kate, Greg Dworkin

    That, unfortunately, is and always has been a bit of a fantasy (except in the nascent days of the petroleum industry, especially while coal was still king).

    Problem is, oil is the single most important commodity on earth, and it is truly a global market.  Prices of various types and blends (WTI, i.e. West Texas Intermediate, or Brent (from the North Sea), or the OPEC basket price) might be different, but they do correlate to each other, strongly.  Oil is so valuable because of its energy density and its easy transportability--you can load it into tankers and ship it around the world fairly cheaply, without losing much to evaporation.

    Natural gas, on the other hand, is a much more locally-marketed product, because it is far more difficult to transport (which is why so much is flared at the wellsites, such as North Dakota, Nigeria, and offshore).  So North American shale gas can be looked at as a North American resource, with real validity.  

    But oil, not so much.  When it comes to oil, the main concern is global demand and supply.  And the story with oil is, global production, even counting tar sands, fracking and offshore derring-do, has been largely flat since 2007, while demand has continued to rise.  Stories about "North American energy independence" are willfully ignoring the dynamic of global peak oil, which we are very possibly at.

  •  Looks like a bunch of wishful thinking (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Heart of the Rockies

    Cook's idea that natural gas is the saving grace is one that ignores the disastrous consequences environmentally. Zeleny's saying that rethugs are too busy fighting each other to fight with dems: phooey, those folks probably fight with themselves in the mirror every morning just to warm up!
    And Politico: well if the rethugs haven't found their way out of the wilderness by now it is mainly because they are looking for more dirty tricks to salvage their prospects..

    American Television is a vast sea of stupid. -xxdr zombiexx

    by glitterscale on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:23:34 AM PST

  •  I'm really tired of the lack on (0+ / 0-)

    context WRT killing American citizens in foreign countries, as I am with spying on citizens here and abroad.  

    If your primary goal is to kill Americans in large numbers I don't much care what your papers say.  If you are a Dominionist looking to take over the government for God (and wealth accumulation) or a gun runner, or a skinhead looking to purify the race by killing inferior people fuck you and your rights.  It's not Betty White who's being spied on.  Almost every day someone here references the SPLC list of hate groups, but we have a strange disconnect when it comes to handling them as enemies of the state.  Better to just bow to the KKK types?  How long did that reign of terror go on?  Any stats on the real number of their victims?  

    If that American citizen manages to put together a suitcase bomb and succeeds in your city are you going to comfort yourself with the knowledge that you're noble martyr to the values we hold dear?  

    I'm guessing that the response to the next terror attack will be outrage about how the government failed us.  

    Rock, meet hard place.  There are no good solutions, no satisfying answers, no black vs white areas, it's all grey and messy and dangerous on every front.  Like life.  

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:56:42 AM PST

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