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How many kids died yesterday because of guns?
I couldn't help asking myself that this morning when I read a report of a shooting in Minnesota that happened last night around dinner time.

   Man standing in the street
   Randomly shooting at cars

   Injuring two people - killing a child


How many kids died yesterday because of guns?
How many more kids are going to die today because of guns?
How many children died because of guns, across America, since Newtown?

The NRA is distancing itself from NEWTOWN - by referring to it as the "Connecticut Effect", so that when they are talking about their gun efforts, the images of what happened in Newtown don't appear in the listeners mind.

How many kids died yesterday because of guns?
How many more kids are going to die today because of guns?

Based on their current actions the NRA doesn't seem to care - they are only worried about guns.
Based on the actions of NRA / gun owners - it seems that most don't seem to care - they only care about the rights of any idiot to carry a gun.

Most seem to care more about their guns, then they do about anything - including the rights of the children.

Don't the kids have a right to a society where they don't get killed?

How many kids died yesterday because of guns?
How many more kids are going to die today because of guns?

Man standing in the street
Randomly shooting at cars

Injuring two people - killing a child

Are we going to put a "gun toting good guy" on every corner?

Can't get this out of my mind this morning.  
Even though I can't think how it fits in this entry - I'm putting it here anyway.

This is my weapon
This is my gun
This one's for fighting
This one's for fun
It's morbidly sick in a way - but then so is the focus of this diary - sick - sick!.

Originally posted to MNDem999 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 08:39 AM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA.

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  •  The poem at the bottom of the diary is from (6+ / 0-)

    Leon Uris' WWII Marine Epic "Battle Cry!" and came about when a Marine boot called his rifle a gun, and he was marched around the boot camp compound by his DI, and repeating the poem on each barrack doorstep.  I won't say what the "gun" was, but if you think a bit, anyone can figure it out.

    Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

    by Ohiodem1 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 08:52:13 AM PST

  •  You're wasting your breath! Gun Lobby is deaf to (7+ / 0-)

    hear anything affecting their right to kill children and other moving objects. They JUST DON"T CARE!

    •  I Agree - but I guess I'm mourning a bit this (7+ / 0-)

      morning - over the loss of so much/so many  - just because others "need to have guns".

      •  The owners of the guns don't seem to have enough (7+ / 0-)

        self-control to properly learn how to use them, how to store them, and even how to control their own emotions, such that they can resist the murderous impulse.  Of course having 300 million of them lying about our houses doesn't necessarily make the situation better because of the reasons stated above.

        I can remember finding a .25 caliber gun in a drawer in my parent's bedroom when I was about 9 years old.  It did not have any bullets in it, but kids happen on guns all the time, with tragic results.  I remember a time when I was about 6 years old and found a .22 caliber long bullet.  I placed it in a piece of paper near our outdoor incinerator, found some matches, then set the paper on fire, peering around the corner of the garage to see what happened.  It finally cooked off, and I don't know what it hit, but kids do stupid things when they get around guns and ammunition.  The things kids do with weapons are almost as stupid as the things adults do with weapons.

        Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

        by Ohiodem1 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 09:05:19 AM PST

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        •  Your comment about the stupid things kids do (9+ / 0-)

          reminds me that in most states, because kids do stupid things, the sale of fireworks and even sparklers is strictly controlled and limited to a certain number of days each year.  Days.

          Yet, because their parents can buy guns and ammo any time they like, most kids are one dresser drawer or closet door away from stuff that is far more lethal than a bottle rocket.


          Metaphors be with you.

          by koosah on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 09:16:55 AM PST

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        •  I was raised on a farm - I knwo about guns (8+ / 0-)

          We didn't have a love for "our guns".
          They were a utility piece to put meat on the table.

          I went to gun safety classes - my Dad would take us out for practice and scream at us if we did something stupid.

          Guns were a right to food - not a right to the guns.

          My ex-husband and I had lots of guns for hunting and "self defense".  I almost killed him one night when he came home early and unannounced from a fishing trip.  Haven't had a gun in the house since - neither has he.

          From both your comments - above and below, you and I can remember the old gun days and now the stupid gun days.  Different world isn't it?

          Thanks for stopping by and reading and commenting - appreciated.

        •  My best friend's little brother killed himself w. (4+ / 0-)
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          his dad's Service Revolver.  The off-duty policeman kept his loaded service weapon within easy reach on his nightstand as he slept, as the Police Department required.  His little boy crept in while Daddy was sleeping to show the Service Revolver to his little friend.  

          This happened over 50 years ago, but I will never forget Judy's famly anguish as they buried Little Brother. From that point on, I recognized the myth of a "Responsible Gun Owner."  My dad had his "Squirrel" gun and he even taught us to fire it, but I still never trusted that such a gun couldn't cause an "unfortunate" accident. I knew how lightly the gun community would pass off the death of another child.

      •  The number of assualt weapons in civilian hands (9+ / 0-)

        is greater than the total number of US military members, both active and reserves.  That's something to think about.  Civilians in America outgun our entire military forces.  They outgun our police forces.  They outgun Canadian and Mexico militaries as well.  Why don't I feel any safer?

        Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

        by Ohiodem1 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 09:10:46 AM PST

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        •  They don't really "outgun" those forces, though. (0+ / 0-)
          Civilians in America outgun our entire military forces.
          The military has things like tanks, fighter jets, aircraft carriers, submarines, bombs and missiles, to say nothing of the highly-specialized training that members of the military receive in how to most effectively use even those weapons that civilians have access to.

          That there are more civilian firearms than military members does not make the military "outgunned" any more than my cat is "outnumbered" by 2-3 mice.

          "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

          by JamesGG on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 12:02:43 PM PST

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          •  Everyone knows this, but the combined AR style and (1+ / 0-)
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            real AK-47's modified only for semiautomatic fire, in civilian hands outnumber the similar weapons in the arsenals of our entire military.  This is undeniable fact.  It's something worth thinking about.

            We, as a nation need to consider the situation where some paranoid militia group, trained in military tactics, with military style weapons, perhaps with some of them modified for automatic firing (illegally, I might add), may decide that someone is coming for their weapons, whether they are or are not (the scenario I describe is that they are paranoid), and they see a sherriff or two coming up the road to their compound.  Given that they are paranoid, and given that sherriffs routinely carry weapons, this may trigger a response by the paranoid ones, that their only defense against an armed assault on their compound is to ambush and take out those who are acting as agents of the governmement they consider oppressive and tyrannical.  So a squad of 10 of them surround and kill the sherriffs in the cars, and they are armed with illegally modified AK-47's or maybe the AR-15's and AK-47's have not been illegally modified, in this case, the militia clearly outgun and have numbers and the element of surprise over the lawmen.  The militia wins the firefight (or it's a massacre) and they believe they have started the revolution, whether anyone else knows or  believes it at all.

            In this case, a small law enforcement contingent is both outnumbered, but outgunned.  There was a group in upstate Michigan a few years ago that actively held these fantasies, and one can assume that they may have wished to act out on them.

            But in the big picture, the military, of course has more firepower.  I raised the statistic as something to think about, not as a denial of the obvious point you made above.

            Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

            by Ohiodem1 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 02:50:42 PM PST

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          •  Your cat really is "outnumbered" by three mice. (1+ / 0-)
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            The mice are still at a disadvantage to a cat, but they have the numbers.

            Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

            by Ohiodem1 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 02:52:12 PM PST

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      •  MNDem - in the poem at the end of your diary (4+ / 0-)

        The term gun refers to the Marines' penis. It has nothing whatsoever to do with linking firearms to fun. You might want to delete it.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 09:13:00 AM PST

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      •  Here is a link to NBC News interactive map (7+ / 0-)

        about one bad weekend in America.  Three days, 91 gun deaths.  I previously researched that we average 34 gun deaths in America every day, and this has been going on for years and years.  So this weekend with 91 gun deaths does not even meet the average, which would be 102 gun deaths.

        Here is the link.

        Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

        by Ohiodem1 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 09:15:25 AM PST

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    •  Decided I disagree - after thinking about it (6+ / 0-)

      If not me - who
      If not now when.

      Why should I let the NRA shut me up?
      I refuse.

  •  Selling death for fun and profit (5+ / 0-)

    The gun industry does care - about the profits of the gun industry.  Dead children do not hurt the profits of the gun industry; if anything, dead children mean more profits for the gun industry.  See, every child shot, requires first someone buy a gun and some ammo.  So every child killed by gunfire means profit for the gun industry.  BUT these days, every dead child seems to be followed by a rush of gun consumers seeking to buy yet more guns and ammo - meaning yet more profits for the gun industry.  

    For the gun industry, every dead child is a gift of greater profits.

    Those gun enthusiasts love to parrot the talking points of the gun industry's PR campaigns about owning a gun being essential to American civil rights and freedom  (Hey, if freedom is truely "just another word for nothin' left to lose", then being shot dead in America is about as free as it gets!).  The gun enthusiasts do not share in the profits of the gun inddustry, so those gun enthusiasts should eb viewed as little more than unpaid spokesperson for the gun industry.

    You are absolutely correct: the whole thing is very sad indeed.

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 09:18:29 AM PST

  •  Rant away, MNDem999! (5+ / 0-)

    You have my tip and rec.  Apparently it needs to be put in just these terms for people to even hear the message.

    Metaphors be with you.

    by koosah on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 09:20:25 AM PST

  •  There is a bigger problem than just guns (7+ / 0-)

    That man standing in the street shooting a people could have had a kid.   There are kids trapped in families with parents that are every bit that crazy, and more.   And, if we don't help them, they end up like that, or worse.   And, it's likely that someone noticed there was something wrong with that man.

    We have to listen to people who are stuck dealing with these crazy people, who are trying to find someone to help them.  

    Because, no matter how hard someone tries to let people know about it, no one seems to listen until they wander in a movie theater, or a school, or just stand in the street and start shooting people.  

    James' Holmes psychiatrist reported him as a danger to others.  

    Adam Lanza's mother took him to a psychiatrist, and may have considered committing them.

    Both were in a psychiatrist's care.

    People saw there was a problem and tried to get help.  

    We have to be there for them, and we have to figure out how to help them.  

    There was a chance to stop these shootings.    

    It's not OK to let people in this much pain, who are this dangerous, wander around without adequate help, and feel that you've dealt adequately by passing a new gun law.

  •  another one...Midvale, UT...3 dead... (7+ / 0-)

    area schools on lockdown...ugh.

    We are not broke, we are being robbed.

    by Glen The Plumber on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 09:22:03 AM PST

  •  At my son's school, the PTA decided to spend some (9+ / 0-)

    of our resources on helping the school install a better alarm system...just "in case."  

    So instead of spending $1500.00 on playground equipment or school supplies for needy kids or music enrichments, that money will be diverted from those needs to buy "safety."  And the NRA sees nothing wrong with that.  

    They.  Are.  SICK.

    Metaphors be with you.

    by koosah on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 09:28:04 AM PST

  •  In the article linked to in the diary (7+ / 0-)

    it says, "the 39 year old mother is expected to recover."

    No she won't.  Her boy is gone.  She won't recover from that.  Not ever.  :(  

    •  No one will. This gun thing is sucking the life (2+ / 0-)
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      out of every one of us.  It rips a part of the soul away every time we read an article like that.

      The opposite is to "turn it all off"  -
      But, IMHO, if we choose to ignore the articles - to surround ourselves with the ignorance of not knowing - I think we do a disservice not only to those lost - but to those who are forced to survive after an event like this.

      A stupid reckless event of life - caused by the arrogance and selfishness of those who value guns more than life.

      Thank you for picking that line out of the article and bringing it up for attention.  Thanks for reading my rant and stopping to comment.

  •  Guns have real safety uses outside NRAville (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't have an online citation for this, so dial down my credibility accordingly especially since it's hearsay to begin with.

    Back when I was wondering what all the fuss was about with guns, one of my instructors talked about a police department in his home state. He said they budgeted their guns under "Rescue Equipment", same as the Jaws of Life. The weapons are issued to be used in saving innocent lives.

    This idea goes only so far. I don't have the chutzpah to say there's a net benefit to civilian carry in a world of Zimmermans and idiots shooting at random on street corners.

    The point is, argue for gun control on a cost/benefit basis, not because guns are useless child-killing machines.

    Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

    by Dogs are fuzzy on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 10:53:08 AM PST

  •  Tipped & rec'ed (1+ / 0-)
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  •  The right to not be murdered & the right to keep (0+ / 0-)

    and bear arms both exist. They aren't at odds with each other anymore than the right to search and seizure, or the right to free speech, or the right to have an abortion are.

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    by FrankRose on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 05:29:17 AM PST

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