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Former LAPD Officer Christopher Dorner is, apparently, dead in a tragic series of events that began with his alleged murders of several persons and ended with his apparent death in a fire.  Along the way, the LAPD attacked several persons simply because, again apparently, they were driving pick-ups.

Did the LAPD get what they wanted?  Is this a potential scenario across the nation because of our own actions (or at least, the actions of our police forces)?

See me below the that-which-may-not-be-named for a discussion.

I think we all know the story of Christopher Dorner, as well as most of the back story.  Christopher Dorner was a Naval officer and an LAPD officer.  Reportedly bright and capable, he had great potential.  When he reportedly blew the whistle on LAPD abuse of prisoners, he was fired.  (I know this simplifies the case, but stick with me.)

Now, think.  If you were fired, wrongly, from a job, what would your actions be?  Would you sue?  If it involved the LAPD, with the LAPD's history, would you go to the feds - maybe the Department of Justice - for help?  I know what I would do - it would be all of the above.  What would you do?  

But what did Christopher Dorner do?  

Christopher Dorner declared dirka dirka jihad.  (For those who do not know, this is a tongue in cheek reference to a satirical movie.)  Christopher Dorner went to war.  Christopher Dorner started killing people.  His reaction was to employ violence and deadly force against those who he perceived had wronged him, and anyone associated with those who had wronged him.

What did the LAPD do when they, as an institution, perceived that Christopher Dorner had declared dirka dirka jihad and started killing people?  Did they talk about due process?  Did they seriously attempt to get Dorner to turn himself in?  What were the actions of the cop-in-the-street?

The LAPD declared a counter-dirka dirka jihad on Christopher Dorner, didn't they?  Do you honestly believe the cop in the street wanted to arrest Dorner?  In two instances, the police officers searching for Dorner shot up vehicles that scarcely resembled Dorner's.  They, apparently, gave the occupants no warning, but simply shot to kill.  Only through the bad marksmanship and fire control of the police officers involved were innocent people not killed.  Again, no due process, and no attempt to arrest and give a fair trial.

Reports indicate the police on the scene of Dorner's death had no intentions of arresting him - there are indications they purposely set the house on fire.

My point is this:  the actions of Christopher Dorner and the actions of the LAPD officers are indicators of a systemic trait among LAPD officers.  The selection process to become an LAPD officer is rigorous and strict.  The LAPD selected Dorner as one of their own.  He exhibited those behavioral traits they desired in a police officer.  The LAPD selected those officers who shot first (and badly) and found out the facts later.  They were, and are, what the LAPD wanted.

What about your own police department?  

Did you know that police officers are allegedly among the biggest users of steroids?  Why do you think that is?  Could the internal desire to be aggressive and overly-muscled be an indicator of a personality trait that the police forces select for?

Did you know that no-knock search warrants have exploded in the past decade?  Did you know that if you are sitting in your home and a civilian-clothed police force executes a no-knock warrant on your home, bursting in with guns drawn, if you instinctively fight back and injure or kill a police officer you will likely be charged with resisting arrest, attempted murder, or murder?  Even if they had the wrong house?

We have militarized our police forces across the country.  Militaries are designed, selected, and trained to destroy the enemy.  When you see a typical police SWAT team outfitted in their military uniforms with sniper rifles and assault weapons, do you think of an arrest, or of an execution?  

I suggest we need to get back to the old style of police work.  We need to recruit Andy Taylor for our police officers instead of Rambo.  We need police officers who will walk a beat, get to know the citizens, and instinctively work to defuse situations instead of instinctively reacting to escalate to deadly violence.

I have heard the arguments that a cop-killer must be taken out, and quickly.  A cop-killer has demonstrated that he/she is willing to kill an armed officer of the law, so there is no chance for a civilian who gets in the way.  The argument is that taking out the cop killers is for the good of the citizenry.  

Can anyone tell me where in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that concept is mentioned?

The only way we can change this, if we want to change it, is to make ourselves heard.  The federal police work for us.  The state police work for us.  The local police work for us.  We should set the standards for police philosophy, and resultant officer selection criteria, and not the police, themselves.

The events in Los Angeles, from start to finish, should send a chill up your spine.  

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  •  Please (10+ / 0-)

    In no way do I condone what Dorner did.  He allegedly murdered innocent people.  He deserved harsh justice through a trial by his peers, and whatever punishment was appropriate.

    Please do not interpret my intentionally provocative title to indicate I think the LAPD got what it deserved.  No police force deserves to have its officers murdered, nor to have their family members threatened or murdered.

    My point, if I could beat the proverbial dead horse, is that the LAPD - and just about every police department - is selecting for this violent behavior.

    If someone murders (God forbid) one of your family members and promises to murder you, are you allowed to go on a self-styled vendetta to take him/her out?  Or, are you expected to report it to the police, let them capture the perpetrator, and let the court system judge the case?

    The answer is obvious.  

    It's Morning in America (and the GOP has a hangover).

    by stlawrence on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 11:46:17 AM PST

  •  Dorner is not a hero (12+ / 0-)

    First, let me say that I do not believe Dorner is a hero and murdered innocent people.  He is obviously a criminal.

    However, there are obvious issues within the LAPD and with policing in general.  I authored a diary, my first diary, on this issue which prompted many strong comments and emotions.  It wasnt my intention to cause a riot, but to simply bring light on the matter.

    The police, any police, should always act in a manner which is above the average citizen.  Shooting at cars who "they think" is the suspect is simply not acceptable and those officers who did it should be charged with a crime and let a jury figure out the guilt or innocence.  Absolutely, the police department should not be the ones concluding if there was misconduct, but a jury of their peers.  

    Stopping and detaining random Black men who resemble Chris Dorner is also unacceptable.  That is invasion of privacy and against the rights of these men.  A written apology should be issued by the police chief to these men.  It was wrong to do.

    Purposely using tear gas canisters to burn down a structure to get someone out is not what we do in America or what should be done in America.  That is not an acceptable way to apprehend a criminal and goes against our Constitution of inhumane punishment.  We do not burn people at the stake anymore.  

    Finally,  I find it horrible that Dorner was fired as a result of reporting that his partner kicked someone else.  Dorner might have been mistaken in his observation.  Obviously the officers who fired on those pickups were mistaken.  

    Dorner is not a hero, but that doesnt mean our police should not be held accountable for their actions.  Our police departments should be a few steps above the average citizen in most everyway.  They should be transparent and held accountable for their actions like any other citizen.  

    •  Dorners gripes valid, not his actions (5+ / 0-)
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      Tonedevil, a2nite, FG, lyvwyr101, worldlotus

      there is no excuse for his killing innocent people but x-LAPD cop speaks to the LAPD cops gone bad, the ones who drove Dorner to insanity:

      Christopher Dorner's Criticisms Were Valid, Ex-Cops Say

      A good horse is never a bad color.

      by CcVenussPromise on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 01:39:47 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  So... (3+ / 0-)
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      AnnetteK, FG, lazybum
      Chris Dorner was killed by a lynch mob
      Chris Dorner deserved a fair trial just like the Nazis got theirs. Just because Chris was Black doesnt mean he didnt deserve a trial!
      from your diary are no longer operative? Could have saved yourself a lot of grief by clarifying your position yesterday, if you weren't looking to "cause a riot" (curious phrase, that).

      Or did it take a day to realize that shooting at two Latinas and one white guy is somewhat inconsistent with the meme that the cops were just targeting "random Black men"? Hundreds of tips phoned in about big bald black guys may be evidence of the public's "they all look alike" problem, but responding to those tips does not constitute the LAPD's "rounding them up and falsely arresting them" as you claimed. Ask the Occupiers about pretextual arrests -- there's no evidence of that happening in this case. If you've got it, link it, as one of your readers asked yesterday.

  •  really? (5+ / 0-)

    I'm sure you could be more racist and odious with your "dirka dirka jihad" bullshit if you tried, but I hope you don't.

    Do you even realize how insulting that is? Do you even realize how big of an asshole that makes you look like?

  •  I agree, we need more Flat Foot's - police (7+ / 0-)

    walking through the community talking to people and making it a better place to live. If Andy Taylor is not available, even Barney Fief is an improvement over the current militarized police force.

    I voted with my feet. Good Bye and Good Luck America!!

    by shann on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 12:08:11 PM PST

  •  Nobody got anything (7+ / 0-)

    except more dead people from guns in the hands of the insane.

    “We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both.” ~Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

    by Max Runk on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 12:09:11 PM PST

  •  Monica Quan, K. Lawrence, Officers Cain & McKay: (6+ / 0-)

    RIP. These are the people to have in mind, and their families and friends: Monica Quan, Keith Lawrence, Officers Michael Cain & Jeremiah McKay. And those wounded in this tragedy. May all their families and friends find peace in the days and years ahead.

  •  No sympathies for disgraced ex-cop Dorner (2+ / 0-)
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    SilentBrook, lyvwyr101

    Condolenses to the families of those killed. However, I am guessing you didn't read ex-LAPD cop Joe Jones's manifesto. Ex LAPD cop similar experience to Dorner. He may not have gone insane like Dorner did but he suffers from PTSD from what the LAPD did to him.

    A good horse is never a bad color.

    by CcVenussPromise on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 01:08:36 PM PST

  •  That fucker killled four people. (2+ / 0-)
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    Sharon Wraight, FG

    Two of those people were guilty of being the daughter of a cop, and her boyfriend.  Nothing else.

    Now he's dead?  Tuff.

  •  One more thing I would do (2+ / 0-)
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    LucyandByron, worldlotus

    if I were him.

    I would have turned to my friend in Oregon.

    There is a guy who has been interviewed on television.He went to college with Christopher Dorner. They were friends and he is very torn up over the whole thing.

    He is also a lawyer who  has experience in employment law. In fact what they said about him on the television lead me to believe he was the path not taken.

    His resume sounded like it was tailor made to take on this particular case. He said he hadn't talked to him since shortly before the LAPD fired him.

    He wishes with all his heart that he would have just called he said if he had known about this 6 months ago he could have helped him to possibly fix it.

    Now that is truly sad.

    It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

    by PSWaterspirit on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 03:35:15 PM PST

  •  You really (1+ / 0-)
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    do need to wonder---though----if the LAPD wasn't such a cesspool to begin with---would any of this even have happened?

    As a department---they have the worst reputation in the country---they're actual pariahs.

    What begins badly---ends badly---what a surprise that is.


    Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

    by lyvwyr101 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 03:40:03 PM PST

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